Brian Entin Investigates Lance Twiggs: The Missing Roommate in the Charlie Kirk Assassination Case

[00:00] Hey guys, thanks so much for checking

[00:01] out my channel. I really appreciate it.

[00:02] I'm on the move again. I'm in the

[00:04] airport super early right now if I look

[00:05] a little tired. Uh but in this episode,

[00:08] I'm really digging into the latest on

[00:10] the Charlie Kirk assassination.

[00:12] Specifically, who uh the alleged

[00:15] assassin,

[00:17] um Tyler Robinson's romantic partner and

[00:21] roommate is. His name is Lance Twigs. Uh

[00:23] there's been very very little

[00:25] information about him, but I've got a

[00:26] ton of new info in this uh episode.

[00:30] Questions about where he is now. He

[00:33] basically vanished from his townhouse

[00:36] where he was living with the alleged

[00:38] assassin. Where could he be now? Uh and

[00:41] and new things that that we've learned

[00:43] about him from from friends, from people

[00:46] who actually knew him very well and also

[00:48] knew Tyler uh very very well. getting

[00:51] into all of that and the latest on the

[00:53] assassination. I know, you know, there's

[00:55] been a lot of other news. Um, some

[00:57] people have moved on. I'm trying to to

[00:59] stick with it uh and make sure to keep

[01:01] digging. I'm going to get into it in

[01:02] this edition. A Brian Anton

[01:04] investigates. All right. So, my buddy,

[01:05] uh, Ben Ashford joins me now. Ben works

[01:08] at the Daily Mail. You may have seen him

[01:09] in a couple of my other episodes. Um,

[01:12] he's a an awesome journalist, uh, but

[01:15] also my friend. Uh, and I was in Utah

[01:19] for quite a while after Charlie Kirk's

[01:21] assassination. And then I left and then

[01:23] Ben, it just so happens, went to St.

[01:25] George, Utah, which is where um Tyler

[01:28] Robinson was living with his um roommate

[01:33] slash I forget what what they've been

[01:35] calling him. His what like lover

[01:37] basically.

[01:39] >> Partner, lover, boyfriend.

[01:41] >> Yeah. And uh that's also where Tyler

[01:43] Robinson's parents live. And Ben was

[01:45] there. Were you there for like a week?

[01:47] >> Uh, I was there for like four or five

[01:49] days.

[01:50] >> Four or five days. So, um, first of all,

[01:53] I never went to St. George. I just

[01:54] stayed near Salt Lake near where the

[01:56] shooting happened. Um, what what is

[01:59] Well, first of all, everybody want Let

[02:00] me just start with everybody wants to

[02:02] know where

[02:04] um where the roommate lover is. His name

[02:07] is Lance Twigs. Do we do we have any

[02:10] idea?

[02:11] Uh, no we don't. But we we have some

[02:15] hints.

[02:17] So he lived in this um uh three bed

[02:22] townhouse with Tyler Robinson.

[02:25] And we know that in the immediate

[02:27] aftermath of Robinson turning himself

[02:30] into police,

[02:33] um the law enforcement went round to

[02:36] that property and they led him out and

[02:39] they took him away for questioning and

[02:42] he has not been back there. And it looks

[02:44] like nobody's been back there cuz to

[02:46] describe what it looks like, uh there's

[02:49] lights on upstairs 24/7.

[02:53] There's journalist cards wedged in the

[02:56] door. There's Amazon parcels.

[02:58] Um, his cars parked in his designated

[03:02] space. He's got his, um, he's a

[03:05] part-time plumber. His plumbing gear,

[03:08] like some of his equipment's on the back

[03:10] seat. There's a sandwich wrapper. Um, an

[03:14] empty drink, half half finishedish drink

[03:16] on the front seat. So, whoever, if you

[03:19] look at that scene, it just looks like

[03:21] he left in a hurry and he didn't come

[03:22] back. You know, he's not even turned the

[03:24] lights on uh off. Um but we have had

[03:27] some hints. The the the sheriff for

[03:30] Washington County

[03:32] um said in in an interview that he's in

[03:35] a safe space very far from St. George,

[03:39] which tallies with I mean, we've been

[03:41] asking our sources at the FBI, you know,

[03:44] is he in protective custody of of some

[03:47] variety because it would be such an

[03:49] obvious step because he's

[03:52] excuse me, he's a a very central

[03:55] significant witness in our politically

[04:00] charged crime. Um, and they've got to

[04:03] make sure he's okay.

[04:06] And there's really strong feeling on all

[04:08] sides of this thing. So he would meet

[04:10] the criteria for uh federal protective

[04:13] custody and our sources have not

[04:18] confirmed that certainly not on the

[04:20] record. Um but they they've hinted that

[04:24] something like that is in play and that

[04:26] would tell you with the fact that no one

[04:28] has seen him. No one's been back to that

[04:31] townhouse.

[04:33] >> Yeah. Yeah. You're talking about like

[04:34] basically witness protection program

[04:36] possible.

[04:36] >> Exactly. Yeah. Mhm.

[04:38] >> He never returned to get clothes or

[04:39] anything from what you could tell.

[04:42] >> I I mean I don't know that but if he

[04:45] went back he didn't turn the lights off.

[04:47] He didn't uh if he's gone back stage he

[04:50] hasn't picked up his Amazon parcels and

[04:53] he hasn't got his he's got a rucks sack

[04:55] on the back seat of his car.

[04:58] So, if he's gone back to the property,

[05:00] he might have gone briefly, I guess, but

[05:02] none of the neighbors have seen him and

[05:05] he's not driving his own vehicle as as

[05:07] far as I know. You know, I can only make

[05:09] observations based on what I can see and

[05:11] I haven't been there like 24/7,

[05:14] but the neighbors are saying that no one

[05:17] has been back at that property since he

[05:19] was taken away.

[05:20] >> What did you say was on his back seat? A

[05:22] rucks sack. What was that?

[05:23] >> There's a there's like a black uh

[05:25] backpack. Oh, did you say napsack?

[05:28] >> We call it a rug sack.

[05:29] >> A rug. A rug sack. Like our

[05:32] >> We'd say a rucks sack, but it's I think

[05:34] you call it a backpack.

[05:36] >> Yeah. I was like,

[05:37] >> you know, it's like one of these ones we

[05:38] have for work with all our gear in it,

[05:40] our laptop and bits and bobs.

[05:42] >> Um, and he's got one of those on the

[05:46] back and he's got it looks like a sandal

[05:48] or something. I couldn't really tell,

[05:49] but he's got some equipment consistent

[05:51] with sort of DIY or being a handyman.

[05:54] And we were told that he did some

[05:56] plumbing.

[05:58] So that looks to me like maybe that's

[06:00] some of his work stuff on the back seat.

[06:02] So he hasn't taken that and you know

[06:06] half eaten food on the front seat. It

[06:08] just looks like someone's gone in a

[06:10] hurry and they haven't come back.

[06:12] >> So what have you what were you able to I

[06:14] know when you were there you were able

[06:15] to interview people who knew him.

[06:17] >> Yeah.

[06:19] >> First of all, who who are they and like

[06:21] what what did what did they you find

[06:22] out?

[06:24] Well, the most um useful thing uh useful

[06:28] conversation I had with with a lady

[06:30] called um Jackie Nielsen.

[06:33] Her children, she's actually a mom of

[06:35] six. And

[06:38] some of the children, in fact, I think

[06:40] all of the children went to high school

[06:42] with Lance.

[06:44] And not only were they good friends and

[06:47] Lance would come over and hang out, she

[06:50] actually took him in for a period when

[06:52] he fell out with his parents.

[06:54] So he was actually under her roof.

[06:57] Um, and she spoke very highly of him.

[07:01] She said he was quiet, but you know, had

[07:05] a had a a small loyal

[07:08] um circle of friends

[07:11] and she would open up with those

[07:12] friends. He was like bubbly, smart, very

[07:15] intelligent. We're talking like a

[07:17] straight A student at high school level.

[07:21] And she considered him a really good

[07:23] influence. She said that if Lance was

[07:27] going out with her sons, she actually

[07:30] felt um they, you know, things would be

[07:35] safer, more adult, they get home on

[07:37] time, they come home sober because she

[07:40] thought he was a very positive influence

[07:42] on her family. So, he spent some time

[07:47] with her and but then he moved into the

[07:51] apartment we were just talking about. So

[07:53] I think he's been there for 3 years or

[07:54] thereabouts. And Tyler Robinson came as

[07:59] a housemate or roommate, sorry,

[08:02] roommate. And at some point it said that

[08:07] they, you know, became romantically

[08:08] involved and they were in a relationship

[08:11] when the Charlie Kirk assassination

[08:13] unfolded.

[08:15] >> Did she say anything about him being

[08:18] trans, transitioning from male to

[08:21] female?

[08:22] Uh she said that among his circle of

[08:27] friends it was just accepted that he was

[08:30] gay.

[08:32] Um that wasn't a big issue. You know St.

[08:35] George is quite a conservative place.

[08:38] It's about sort of 2/3 Mormon.

[08:41] His parents were apparently quite

[08:43] strict.

[08:45] Um and that's what they fell out over

[08:47] allegedly. You know he just said he

[08:49] didn't want to go to church anymore.

[08:51] There's been some reporting that he took

[08:55] drugs, so he had a bad attitude, or he

[08:58] spoke badly about Christians or

[08:59] conservatives.

[09:01] She didn't say any of that to me. She

[09:03] said that um he, you know, he wasn't

[09:07] really overtly rebellious. He didn't

[09:10] voice political opinions. He didn't push

[09:12] his opinions on other people. She said

[09:15] that as an adult she knew that he had

[09:18] had some problems and those mental

[09:21] health problems. She said that he had

[09:24] allegedly uh taken pot mushrooms.

[09:29] But she said that through through all

[09:32] that and she described him as a kid in

[09:34] turmoil, not a bad person, a kid in

[09:36] turmoil who was struggling to sort of

[09:39] get over this bust with his family and

[09:41] some some typical like late teen, early

[09:44] 20s issues, but you know, she was

[09:48] consistently saying that he was still a

[09:50] a kind, friendly, um, you know,

[09:54] welladjusted boy. So, she didn't see

[09:57] this angry, hateful side. And sorry, get

[10:01] back to the trans thing. She said that

[10:03] she had heard recently that he was

[10:06] transitioning. She had not had a

[10:08] discussion with him about it. Um, when

[10:11] she last saw him, he'd thrown his hair

[10:13] out, but very little else. He he he

[10:17] didn't have any overt signs that he was

[10:20] really doing anything. Um, and

[10:24] there hasn't been no one officially has

[10:26] said that he was trans as as far as I

[10:29] know. I think it's been said that he had

[10:31] an interesting ideology of that sort and

[10:34] and and so forth. But the charging

[10:37] documents all call him a he. They all

[10:39] refer to him as a male. Hence, you know,

[10:42] that's what we're doing. But she said

[10:44] that he she had heard he was

[10:46] transitioning. Um but in her eyes it had

[10:49] just amounted to you know growing his

[10:51] hair longer.

[10:53] >> Yeah, you're right. The charging

[10:54] documents say he but the governor I

[10:57] think it was the governor who first said

[10:59] that he is transitioning from

[11:02] >> Yeah, for sure

[11:03] >> to never really knew the extent of that

[11:06] like what that really I don't know

[11:08] meant.

[11:09] >> Well, her sons are such good friends

[11:12] with him that they've been interviewed

[11:14] by the FBI.

[11:16] >> Oh wow. They've spent time with him

[11:18] recently. They know Tyler

[11:22] and she says he was transitioning. So I

[11:25] think on

[11:26] >> I think on the transitioning side, I

[11:28] think we can accept that that's pretty

[11:30] much been

[11:32] borne out in the reporting.

[11:34] >> In terms of the FBI, I think it was two

[11:37] of her sons have been interviewed by the

[11:38] FBI. Now, it's important to get the

[11:40] order of this right. So, if you you know

[11:44] from your own reporting, what happened

[11:46] was after the shooting, Tyler had had a

[11:50] text message exchange with Lance

[11:53] basically saying, "I did it and

[11:58] allegedly confessing."

[12:00] And after that conversation,

[12:04] but before Lance was questioned by the

[12:07] police, he had a conversation with this

[12:11] lady's two sons, I believe, via text

[12:13] message. So, at that point, when Lance

[12:16] reached out to his two mates, he knew

[12:19] what Tyler had done. He hadn't turned

[12:22] him in, and he hadn't been questioned.

[12:25] So, this was that window where Lance

[12:28] knew about the shooting. I mean, we can

[12:30] only she wouldn't tell me all the ins

[12:32] and outs of what happened with the FBI,

[12:33] which is understandable, but you can

[12:36] imagine a picture where Lance has just

[12:38] found out that Tyler's done this

[12:40] astonishing,

[12:43] awful act. And of course, like most

[12:46] young people, he's probably contacted

[12:48] his best friends and said, "Oh my god,

[12:50] you know, you won't believe what's

[12:52] happened." And so, it's those

[12:54] conversations, I think, that the FBI

[12:56] have honed in on. And the other thing is

[12:58] these sons of this lady, they were also

[13:02] part of the Discord chat.

[13:04] >> So I know you covered Discord a lot in

[13:06] your reporting and there's this kind of

[13:09] side narrative about the messages in the

[13:13] Discord and did they preempt the

[13:15] shooting? Do they indicate that there

[13:17] was a wider circle of people knew about

[13:19] the shooting? Now I asked her about the

[13:22] discard this lady discord this lady and

[13:24] she said that it was just silly boy

[13:27] stuff

[13:29] nothing un toward her sons told her she

[13:32] asked them outright did you did they say

[13:35] anything political did they discuss

[13:36] anything and she said no

[13:39] >> so as far as she's concerned is the

[13:41] discord was just like a kind of boys

[13:43] will be boys silly chat place

[13:47] um and it goes without There's no

[13:50] evidence that her sons did anything

[13:53] wrong or knew anything. Just as there's

[13:55] no evidence, it's important to stress

[13:57] that we have no evidence in the the

[14:00] charging documents to suggest that Lance

[14:03] knew. So, we've had quite a detailed

[14:05] account from the FBI and it points to

[14:09] Lance

[14:11] not knowing.

[14:12] So, I know some people will will say,

[14:15] "Oh, you know, you guys are gullible. Of

[14:17] course, he knew, etc., etc. But we're

[14:20] dealing in facts here and not theories

[14:22] or not hunches and just the facts are in

[14:28] the charging documents. It does not

[14:30] imply that he knew about the shooting.

[14:32] And I know that our sources at the FBI

[14:35] have reiterated that he's a cooperating

[14:38] source or a witness and not a suspect.

[14:42] >> Yeah. Same here. the people that we've

[14:43] talked to have have sort of gone out of

[14:45] their way to make clear that he is a

[14:49] cooperating witness. Did did she say

[14:52] anything about Tyler Robinson? Like did

[14:54] her sons have any

[14:58] interesting to say about him?

[15:01] >> So he didn't go to the same school and I

[15:04] think they knew didn't know him as well

[15:07] as Lance and she's never met him. So,

[15:10] for example, as part of our reporting,

[15:12] we got a a cache of photos that hadn't

[15:16] been published before, and he wasn't in

[15:18] any of the pictures. And

[15:22] she's not spoken to him, but her sons

[15:24] are friends with Tyler.

[15:28] And she just reiterated really similar

[15:31] sentiments that she voiced about Lance

[15:33] that her sons would never have expected

[15:37] him to do something like this, would

[15:39] never have expected him to do anything

[15:43] as virulently ideological as this. Um,

[15:48] and were completely stunned.

[15:51] She's described the whole thing as

[15:55] just an unbelievable shock to all of

[15:57] them, which is as you might expect. But

[16:01] she said that her one thing she said

[16:04] that one of her sons who's friends with

[16:06] both Lance and Tyler.

[16:09] She said he wakes up every day wondering

[16:12] if the world is real. This, you know,

[16:14] feels he's in a nightmare. two of his

[16:16] best friends who he thought he knew are

[16:19] now involved in this like global

[16:23] atrocious news cycle. Um, yeah. So, but

[16:29] she she didn't know Tyler anywhere near

[16:31] to the extent she knew Lance for sure.

[16:34] >> Have her sons had any contact with Lance

[16:38] since recently? So,

[16:41] the contact was while Lance was at his

[16:45] apartment, aware of what happened

[16:48] because Tyler had allegedly confessed,

[16:51] but before the police knocked on the

[16:53] door to speak to him and to then search

[16:55] the apartment.

[16:58] They he was taken into custody and they

[17:01] have not spoken to him since. He's not

[17:03] responded and they don't know where he

[17:05] is. And this lady said that they were

[17:07] all really worried about him. They're

[17:10] worried about, you know, his mental

[17:11] health. They're very protective of him.

[17:13] They think what's going on in the media

[17:15] is is outrageous. They think he's an

[17:18] innocent man. He's not done anything

[17:19] wrong. He's not accused of anything.

[17:21] And, you know, the Daily Mail or News

[17:24] Nation or what have you are are kind of

[17:26] boring into this guy's life and his past

[17:29] and showing this picture. And that's

[17:31] really unfair. And I can understand that

[17:33] but at the same time he is a central

[17:36] antagonist in this drama. I mean there

[17:39] was of course you know this but there

[17:42] was this question in the tax exchange of

[17:46] oh you know those bullets I was carving

[17:48] messages into. I mean

[17:51] >> there are questions to be answered. You

[17:53] know

[17:53] >> what's for dinner darling? Oh sorry I

[17:55] was too busy carving political slogans

[17:57] in bullets. you know,

[17:58] >> yeah,

[17:59] >> we need to look at his answers and and

[18:01] that's why we we were looking for him

[18:03] for so long.

[18:05] >> Um, but I don't think, you know, I I'll

[18:07] have egg on my face if he turns up

[18:09] tomorrow and does a press conference,

[18:11] but my hunch is that he won't be he

[18:14] won't surface for a while. I I think

[18:16] he's in some sort of state protection,

[18:18] but, you know, that's a that's a best

[18:21] guess.

[18:22] >> Well, a lot of people um think the text

[18:25] messages are just strange. you know, the

[18:27] the back and forth, the way that they're

[18:30] speaking to each other. People thought

[18:31] they were fake initially. So, people

[18:33] have been really intrigued with Lance

[18:35] and trying to figure out, you know, who

[18:37] he is. And like you said, it makes

[18:39] sense. He's a central character. What

[18:41] about his parents? Did you make any

[18:43] headway

[18:44] with them? Are they around? Are they

[18:46] inside?

[18:47] >> Absolutely none. So, uh, a different

[18:50] reporter from Daily Mail spoke to the

[18:53] dad and was basically shued away. This

[18:56] is before I got up there. Um,

[18:59] they I knocked on their house multiple

[19:02] times. They have a Ring camera. I

[19:04] presume that they can see me. Um,

[19:08] they have I don't know whether it's a

[19:10] friend or someone who rents a room. They

[19:12] do have people at the house, but none of

[19:15] them would take a message. None of them

[19:18] would would speak to me. So, it's

[19:20] important to to to say, you know, there

[19:23] is this story that's been out there and

[19:25] we've reported some of this that he fell

[19:26] out with his parents because of religion

[19:28] and so forth, but um Lance Twigs has a

[19:33] public Venmo account, so you can see the

[19:36] payments on it, for example,

[19:39] and there's tons of payments from his

[19:41] mom and dad on there. you know, payments

[19:43] for music lessons, I think, gas, food,

[19:48] doctor's appointments. So, even though

[19:50] they had this falling out, they're still

[19:52] paying for parts of his life and

[19:54] supporting him. And it's the family

[19:56] apartment. He's living in his family's

[19:58] apartment.

[20:00] So, they haven't completely ostracized

[20:03] him. They've It seems like they're

[20:06] estranged, but they're still part of his

[20:08] life. They haven't abandoned him

[20:10] financially. And the lady I told you

[20:13] about, Jackie Nielson, you know, she was

[20:16] clear. She said, "I have absolutely

[20:17] nothing bad to say about Lance Twigs's

[20:20] parents. They seem like very nice,

[20:22] polite, you know, um, good people." Um,

[20:29] I think she just said to me, "Look, he

[20:30] was a kid in needs, was friend of my

[20:32] son, so I took him in." But I'm not

[20:35] judging those people and I don't know

[20:36] about what happened in those four walls

[20:39] or exactly why they fell out. But that

[20:41] that's she said it was that they were

[20:43] quite strict about their Mormon religion

[20:46] and he didn't want a part of that.

[20:49] >> So it sound and you said this I think

[20:51] but so Tyler Robinson moved in with

[20:53] Lance. It was Lance apartment.

[20:57] >> He moved in. There was another uh guy in

[21:00] there. We don't know who that is. So,

[21:03] you know, that's a that's a kind of um

[21:08] an area of our reporting where we

[21:10] haven't been able to fill in quite an

[21:12] interesting blank, but we don't know

[21:14] currently who that third person is. But

[21:16] in any event, the third person moved

[21:18] out, leaving the two of them there. So,

[21:20] it's I believe it's a three-bedroom

[21:22] townhouse on like two levels, and it

[21:26] ended up just Lance and Tyler living

[21:29] there alone.

[21:30] >> What about Tyler's parents? Were they do

[21:33] the first person do they all live close

[21:34] together?

[21:35] >> They all live um like 5 10 minutes

[21:39] apart.

[21:40] >> And any What about at Tyler's parents

[21:42] house? Cuz we we had a reporter there

[21:44] right after it happened and you know the

[21:46] road was closed and I mean what is it

[21:48] like now?

[21:50] >> It's as if they've gone on an extended

[21:52] vacation. There's no lights on. Um,

[21:58] I mean there's like a lawn mower just

[22:01] out on the side of the house.

[22:04] Um, I'm trying to think. I think I think

[22:07] there was actually some Amazon parcels

[22:09] at their house. Uh, it's it's funny, you

[22:13] know, as a reporter, you sort of in days

[22:15] gone by, you wondered whether people are

[22:16] in or not. These days, you can tell by

[22:18] whether they've got Amazon parcels. You

[22:20] know, if there's three Amazon parcels,

[22:22] it means they're probably not there. Um,

[22:24] but there was no sign of life at that

[22:27] house. Again, I think they had a Ring

[22:28] camera, so, you know, knocked it a few

[22:30] times. Yeah, they're probably watching

[22:33] me standing around looking silly on the

[22:35] doorstep, determined not to say

[22:37] anything, but they haven't. They've

[22:39] spoken to federal investigators, of

[22:41] course, and we've heard the mother's

[22:43] thoughts about things in the charging

[22:45] document about her son became

[22:47] radicalized,

[22:49] but we haven't heard from them in

[22:52] person, the mom or the dad.

[22:54] >> I'm curious what your perception was of

[22:56] the people in the town cuz when I was in

[22:59] in where the college was, you know, it's

[23:02] obviously like very Mormon. Pretty much

[23:04] everyone I met was Mormon. And they like

[23:07] other shootings that I've covered, you

[23:09] know, people will turn on the parents

[23:10] very quickly or immediately want to

[23:12] start blaming the parents or, oh, how

[23:14] did he get the gun? Or, you know, they

[23:15] they go after the parents. And it was

[23:17] quite the opposite, I felt like, with

[23:19] everyone I was talking to, they felt bad

[23:22] for the parents. They were kind of

[23:23] defensive of the parents. They felt

[23:25] terrible for the family. Um, was it is

[23:28] it the vibe like that in in in St.

[23:30] George also?

[23:35] I didn't really hear any criticism of

[23:38] the parents.

[23:40] Um I think St. George

[23:44] um it seems like there's a really strong

[23:48] sense of community there and maybe

[23:49] that's because you know so many Mormons

[23:52] there. It's very safe. It's very um

[23:56] quite middle class, quite quite

[23:58] affluent. It just seems a really idyllic

[24:01] place. I know like everyone's when

[24:03] something bad happens, everyone says,

[24:05] "Oh, I can't imagine something like this

[24:07] could happen in a place like our town."

[24:10] That's a very common sentiment, but you

[24:12] look around St. George and it just seems

[24:14] like so clean, so safe, such a nice

[24:18] place. It's set in the the desert.

[24:20] There's all these mountains around it.

[24:22] It really does look like a really great

[24:24] place to grow up. There's great

[24:26] facilities.

[24:27] Um, so I would imagine my feeling is

[24:32] that people in St. George are just

[24:34] baffled. They're wondering

[24:36] why would these boys go off the rails so

[24:39] much. And there's nothing about the two

[24:42] sets of parents that suggest they're bad

[24:44] parents or they, you know, neglected

[24:48] their son's wellbeing. As I said, the

[24:51] the Tweaks family continue to support

[24:54] Lance and that's remember there's no

[24:57] suggestion he's even done anything

[24:59] wrong. Um, so I think people in that

[25:02] town are probably just baffled by it

[25:05] because it it's such a wholesome place.

[25:07] Something has gone really really badly

[25:10] wrong. And I think that's the sentiment.

[25:13] I don't think they're p pointing fingers

[25:16] at anyone. I think they're just like all

[25:17] of us. They want to know how a

[25:19] welladjusted, polite,

[25:21] decent, seemingly decent kid could take

[25:25] it upon himself to do something

[25:28] unimaginable that has, you know,

[25:30] probably changed the course of history.

[25:33] >> All right, Ben. Well, thank you for for

[25:35] coming on uh my channel again. I

[25:38] appreciate it. And pleasure.

[25:39] >> Maybe we'll both end up in Utah

[25:42] together.

[25:44] >> Yeah, that never happens. I think we've

[25:46] we've we've met up on like one or two

[25:48] jobs in the last two years or something

[25:50] where you go to one job, I go to a

[25:52] different one because you seem to be the

[25:56] main man at News Nation. They send you

[25:58] to pretty much everything big. Whereas

[26:00] Daily Mail, there's I'm like more of a

[26:02] staff. So, I've got six or seven

[26:04] colleagues who do this. So, they'll I

[26:06] don't get out to the West Coast all that

[26:07] much. So, that's why it was it was so

[26:10] nice to go to Utah like such a a great

[26:13] place.

[26:13] >> Yeah. got all your pictures like it's

[26:15] that area is so pretty and

[26:16] >> it is. Yeah. I mean it's like to do it

[26:19] under more pleasant circumstances.

[26:21] >> Um but we could say that about you know

[26:24] most of our adventures, couldn't we in

[26:26] this job?

[26:27] >> And Ben and I, just so everybody knows,

[26:29] actually became friends on the Gabby

[26:31] Patito story.

[26:33] >> That's right. Yeah.

[26:34] >> We Everybody knows that I like was

[26:36] camped outside theies and rented the

[26:38] little lawn spot, but so did Ben.

[26:41] >> It was me and Ben, actually. It was me

[26:42] and Ben. Ben,

[26:44] >> I think we jointly paid the rent to the

[26:47] >> Yeah. So,

[26:49] >> yeah,

[26:49] >> pals ever since. All right. Thank you,

[26:50] Ben.

[26:51] >> Cool. Speak to you again. Cheers, Brian.