Angenette Levy Investigates the Assassination of Charlie Kirk and Suspect Tyler Robinson's Radicalization

[00:00] He he is he is uh he is not cooperating

[00:03] but but but all the people around him

[00:05] were cooperating and I I think that's uh

[00:07] that's that's very important.

[00:08] >> New details are emerging about the

[00:10] 22-year-old man accused of murdering

[00:12] conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

[00:15] >> His family has collectively told

[00:17] investigators that he subscribed to

[00:20] left-wing ideology and even more so in

[00:23] these last couple of years. The FBI

[00:25] director revealing new information about

[00:27] the evidence he claims links Tyler

[00:29] Robinson to the crime as Kirk's widow

[00:32] breaks her silence. The cries of this

[00:35] widow will echo around the world like a

[00:38] battle cry.

[00:39] >> I go through all of it.

[00:43] [Music]

[00:49] Welcome to Crime Fix. I'm an Levy. Tyler

[00:51] Robinson is on suicide watch at the Utah

[00:54] County Jail and he's not talking, at

[00:56] least not to the cops. The 22-year-old,

[00:59] he's in custody and will be formally

[01:01] charged tomorrow, with aggravated murder

[01:04] and other crimes related to the murder

[01:06] of Charlie Kirk. It was less than a week

[01:08] ago that Kirk was sitting under a tent

[01:10] at Utah Valley University in Oram

[01:13] answering a question from a student

[01:15] about mass shootings committed by

[01:17] transgender people when an assassin's

[01:20] bullet struck him in the neck. Kirk bled

[01:22] out almost immediately and the crowd ran

[01:24] in terror and fear and Kirk's staff

[01:27] tried desperately to save his life.

[01:30] Local and federal authorities launched a

[01:32] manhunt for the shooter, combing through

[01:34] video, and they landed on this man in a

[01:37] black shirt, hat, and jeans as the

[01:39] suspect. 22-year-old Tyler Robinson's

[01:42] father, recognized him, and called a

[01:44] family friend, who was both a US marshal

[01:47] and a minister. Tyler's father

[01:49] confronted him, and according to

[01:51] reports, said he'd rather take his own

[01:53] life than be arrested. Tyler's father

[01:55] turned him into Washington County

[01:57] authorities 3 hours south of where the

[01:59] murder took place. The 33-hour manhunt

[02:02] ended without incident. Tyler's friends

[02:05] told the New York Times they had joked

[02:07] about how the man in the surveillance

[02:09] images looked like him, and Tyler

[02:11] responded that it was his doppelganger

[02:13] trying to get him into trouble. More on

[02:16] this whole Discord connection to the

[02:17] investigation in a moment, but first, I

[02:20] want to tell you what we're learning

[02:21] about Tyler. The governor of Utah

[02:24] confirms that Tyler was in a romantic

[02:26] relationship with his roommate, a man

[02:28] who's been interviewed by the FBI. Now,

[02:30] we know the roommate's name, but we're

[02:32] not naming him because he's not charged

[02:33] with the crime. Here's Governor Spencer

[02:36] Cox talking about Tyler's relationship

[02:38] with his roommate.

[02:39] >> Um, there were reports yesterday that

[02:41] that that uh that we can confirm that uh

[02:44] that his roommate was indeed a boyfriend

[02:47] uh who who is transitioning from uh from

[02:50] male to female. Uh that's that's

[02:52] information that the FBI had uh had

[02:54] mentioned yesterday. Uh we can confirm

[02:56] that as well and that that uh that he is

[03:00] cooperating with uh with authorities as

[03:02] well.

[03:02] >> So this is really another piece of the

[03:04] puzzle that could lead to determining

[03:06] the motive in this case. Tyler Robinson

[03:09] was in a relationship with a man who was

[03:11] transitioning from male to female and he

[03:13] had told family members he didn't like

[03:15] Charlie Kirk because he spread hate. FBI

[03:18] director Cash Patel was on Fox and

[03:20] Friends this morning and talked about

[03:21] evidence that has been collected that he

[03:24] says links Robinson to the crime.

[03:26] >> And what we did once I got there along

[03:29] with the deputy on the ground um on the

[03:32] around 5:00 p.m. local on September 11th

[03:35] was walk the entire crime scene,

[03:37] including the foots the sub suspect

[03:39] himself took. And what we learned was

[03:41] there was evidence, DNA evidence that

[03:44] could be collected and had been

[03:45] collected, including a screwdriver that

[03:47] was found on the rooftop. And I can

[03:49] report today that the DNA hits from the

[03:53] towel that was wrapped around the

[03:54] firearm and the DNA on the screwdriver

[03:57] are positively processed for the suspect

[04:00] in custody.

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[05:34] platform is popular among young people

[05:36] and gamers for messaging. A Discord

[05:38] spokesperson tells me that Tyler

[05:40] Robinson had a Discord account, but that

[05:43] he did not plan or discuss murdering

[05:45] Charlie Kirk on the platform. The New

[05:48] York Times, as I mentioned, had reported

[05:50] about Tyler's friends joking with him on

[05:52] the platform about the shooter looking

[05:54] like him and that Tyler had said it was

[05:56] his doppelganger trying to get him into

[05:58] trouble. But I can tell you that Discord

[06:00] has confirmed that Tyler's roommate

[06:03] discussed the shooting after the fact on

[06:06] the platform with another user who

[06:08] wasn't Tyler. The roommate said that

[06:10] Tyler had left a note discussing

[06:12] retrieving the weapon and the bullets

[06:14] and the planning of Kirk's murder.

[06:16] Here's Cash Patel on this note. And we

[06:19] have evidence to show what was in that

[06:21] note, which is um and I'm going to uh

[06:24] summarize basically saying I the suspect

[06:26] wrote a note saying I have the

[06:28] opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and

[06:30] I'm going to take it. That note was

[06:32] written before the shooting. Um evidence

[06:34] of existence we now have learned existed

[06:37] before the shooting was in the location

[06:39] um in the suspect and partner's home.

[06:42] But we have since learned that the note,

[06:44] even though it has been destroyed, we

[06:45] have found forensic evidence of the

[06:47] note. And we have confirmed what that

[06:49] note says because of our aggressive

[06:52] interview posture at the FBI.

[06:54] >> Right now, the FBI and the governor say

[06:56] the roommate is cooperating. Reddit

[06:59] posts from last year show the roommate

[07:01] discussed taking hormones as part of the

[07:03] transition process and feeling some

[07:05] anxiety about doing so. Discord issued

[07:08] the following statement when I contacted

[07:09] them. They said, "During our

[07:11] investigation, Discord identified an

[07:14] account belonging to the suspect. We

[07:16] have not found or received any evidence

[07:18] that the suspect planned this incident

[07:20] on Discord or promoted violence on

[07:22] Discord. The messages referenced in

[07:25] reporting about weapon retrieval and

[07:26] planning details were not Discord

[07:28] messages and likely took place on a

[07:31] phone numberbased messaging platform. We

[07:34] continue to work closely with the FBI

[07:36] and local authorities and will continue

[07:38] to deliver prompt responses to their

[07:40] requests for assistance. Now, the

[07:43] question remains, if Tyler Robinson is

[07:45] indeed the shooter, how did he come to

[07:48] the decision to murder a man in cold

[07:50] blood on a college campus?

[07:51] >> I'm so concerned about this

[07:53] radicalization piece. And that's what

[07:54] we're trying to understand. Again, this

[07:57] person made a choice and it was this

[07:58] person's choice and this person will be

[08:01] held responsible and we have to make

[08:02] different choices. And we also have to

[08:05] figure out how it came to be that a kid

[08:08] with a 4.0 um with a 34 on the ACT with

[08:12] a full ride scholarship at my alma mater

[08:14] who didn't even last a semester drops

[08:17] out and uh and ends up doing something

[08:19] like this. We need to understand that

[08:22] and we need to figure out how to stop it

[08:24] >> as the investigation unfolds. And

[08:26] prosecutors prepare to formally charge

[08:27] Tyler Robinson with aggravated murder

[08:29] and other crimes. Charlie Kirk's wife,

[08:32] Erica, spoke over the weekend for the

[08:34] first time about her husband's murder.

[08:37] She is now a widow left to raise two

[08:39] young children who will only know their

[08:42] father through videos and stories that

[08:44] they are told.

[08:50] The evildoers

[08:53] responsible for my husband's

[08:54] assassination

[08:57] have no idea what they have done.

[09:02] They killed Charlie because he preached

[09:05] a message of patriotism,

[09:08] faith, and of God's merciful love.

[09:13] But they should all know this.

[09:16] If you thought that my husband's mission

[09:20] was powerful before,

[09:22] you have no idea.

[09:26] You have no idea what you just have

[09:28] unleashed across this entire country.

[09:32] In this world, you have no idea.

[09:36] You have no idea the fire that you have

[09:39] ignited within this wife.

[09:44] The cries of this widow will echo around

[09:47] the world like a battlecry.

[09:55] To everyone listening tonight across

[09:57] America, the movement my husband built

[09:59] will not die. It won't. I refuse to let

[10:04] that happen. It will not die.

[10:08] All of us

[10:10] will refuse to let that happen. No one

[10:14] will ever forget my husband's name. And

[10:16] I will make sure of it.

[10:19] It will become stronger,

[10:24] bolder, louder, and greater than ever.

[10:27] My husband's mission will not end, not

[10:30] even for a moment. So, I want to bring

[10:32] in somebody who has been on the ground

[10:34] in Utah investigating this case. He is

[10:37] Chris Mcdana, the host of The Interview

[10:39] Room, and he's also a retired homicide

[10:41] detective. Uh, so Chris, we're learning

[10:43] a lot, a lot of new details about Tyler

[10:47] Robinson that could go to motive in this

[10:49] case. Uh we've found out that uh Tyler,

[10:53] it it appears um had a transgender

[10:55] partner uh who was going from male to

[10:58] female and was living with this person.

[11:02] This was his significant other.

[11:05] >> Yeah. Uh and I mean this is obviously

[11:08] still a very fluid uh investigation for

[11:11] the authorities and this uh partner that

[11:17] um Tyler Robinson is uh living with has

[11:22] apparently been cooperating cooperating

[11:25] uh with the authorities giving them

[11:28] information about not only their

[11:30] relationship but potentially about post

[11:32] incidents andor information about the

[11:35] shooting.

[11:37] >> There was a lot of chatter and in the

[11:39] affidavit it talks about how uh the

[11:42] roommate showed the investigators

[11:45] messages from Discord. Discord is

[11:47] saying, you know, that we don't think

[11:49] those are from our server. Oh, you know,

[11:52] those are not how those messages display

[11:54] on our server. Maybe there are other

[11:56] messages. However,

[11:58] they do say that the roommate talked

[12:02] about uh this with a third party um

[12:07] after the shooting about the weapon

[12:09] retrieval, a note that Tyler allegedly

[12:12] wrote talking about weapon retrieval,

[12:14] the bullets, the planning of this. Uh,

[12:16] they say Tyler didn't discuss the

[12:18] planning of this or any radicalization

[12:20] or anything like that on on Discord, but

[12:22] the roommate was discussing this with a

[12:25] third party after the shooting. Um, how

[12:28] critical is that? Because it doesn't

[12:30] sound like the roommate went to the

[12:31] cops, uh, you know, and said, "Oh my

[12:33] god, my my boyfriend

[12:36] shot and killed Charlie Kirk." I mean,

[12:38] it doesn't sound like he did anything

[12:40] until the cops came knocking on his door

[12:43] and he's like, "Okay, here's my phone.

[12:47] Yeah, you know that that's going to be a

[12:49] big piece of this investigation. Uh that

[12:52] digital, you know, footprint for lack of

[12:54] a better term. Uh there is a whole under

[12:58] underground

[13:00] uh you know basically world that takes

[13:03] place online and if he has uh revealed

[13:08] any of that information before the

[13:10] incident uh before Charlie Kirk was shot

[13:13] or post incident that data and those

[13:17] types of conversations are going to be

[13:19] critical uh to his mindset and to

[13:22] helping the investigators you know put

[13:24] another piece of this puzzle all

[13:25] together.

[13:27] >> What's so confounding about this is that

[13:29] we have a kid and and this can happen to

[13:32] anybody, but we have a kid who was 18

[13:34] years old, straight A student, 34 on the

[13:36] ACTs,

[13:38] got a big-time scholarship, I guess, to

[13:40] Utah State University,

[13:43] takes a leave of absence. The school

[13:44] can't say why because of FURPA in the

[13:47] fall of 2021. He does like one semester

[13:49] and he he never goes back. He's in

[13:51] technical college now. And then now he

[13:55] ends up being a suspect in a massive

[13:58] homicide investigation, an

[14:00] assassination, a public assassination of

[14:03] a political figure. Um, so I know the

[14:06] cops are more worried about just proving

[14:08] the case, but when we look at motive

[14:10] here,

[14:12] uh, how are we going to unpack that and

[14:14] and figure that out? Obviously, the

[14:15] digital footprint and what he was

[14:17] talking about online, I think, is going

[14:19] to be a major part of that.

[14:22] >> Yes. and also some of the dynamics uh in

[14:27] relationship to who's in his inner

[14:29] circle. Uh that will be family

[14:31] relationships uh that will be you know

[14:35] friends uh friends of friends you know

[14:38] i.e. acquaintances, you know, who had

[14:42] uh, you know, their a thumbrint, for

[14:45] lack of a better term, on Tyler

[14:47] Robinson, and who are his influences?

[14:50] Uh, you know, is he into gaming? And if

[14:53] so, what type of gaming gaming and what

[14:56] type of platforms is he hanging out on?

[14:58] I mean, there's what, you know, Twitch,

[15:00] there's a whole bunch of, you know, like

[15:03] we were talking about a second ago, this

[15:05] underworld that the his generation uh

[15:09] basically finds, you know, his society

[15:12] and and they want to get into that

[15:15] society. And this is a really shift in

[15:18] our culture uh because, you know, these

[15:21] kids are so comfortable uh living in

[15:24] that world. And and here you have a

[15:27] young man who has these amazing, you

[15:30] know, uh, at, you know, scores. He's in

[15:34] the top 1%. He has an amazing intellect.

[15:37] Uh, yet he's, you know, finding his

[15:40] social connections potentially

[15:43] underground. Uh, it's going to be really

[15:46] important for investigation and for the

[15:48] investigators to flush that out.

[15:52] Little by little, they're getting more

[15:53] and more evidence. I mean, this was

[15:56] actually, if we look at it, pretty

[15:58] pretty sloppy. Uh, he's on video walking

[16:02] around. Um, they've got him, you know,

[16:04] they say jumping off the roof. They say

[16:06] that's him in the video. Cash Patel is

[16:08] now saying they've got his DNA on a

[16:10] screwdriver found at the scene and on

[16:12] the towel that the gun was wrapped in,

[16:15] ditched in the woods. Little by little,

[16:18] the evidence is adding up. And then the

[16:20] ATF is apparently processing the

[16:22] firearm. We've got all that physical

[16:24] evidence which is really important to

[16:26] the investigation.

[16:28] Um what are you seeing on the ground in

[16:30] Utah? You've been there. You've been

[16:32] pounding the pavement and kind of

[16:34] shaking the bushes and the trees to see

[16:35] what falls out.

[16:38] >> Yeah. So I think you know I I went to

[16:42] where uh the we'll call it the sniper's

[16:46] nest, right? where he was perched and

[16:49] you could clearly see um you couldn't

[16:52] see exactly where he was based on, you

[16:55] know, the positioning I was in because

[16:57] they had they still had the scene shut

[16:59] off, but you could clearly see it was it

[17:02] was a straight shot probably 150 to 200

[17:06] yd at at the most. Uh the screwdriver is

[17:09] significant because if he's using that

[17:12] 306 and it has a large scope on it, then

[17:16] that screwdriver is going to be used to

[17:18] adjust that scope uh in relationship to,

[17:21] you know, wind uh if the target is

[17:24] moving, you know, and so there's a lot

[17:26] of variances, but if he brought that

[17:28] tool, then he was thinking ahead in

[17:32] relationship to that. And then when he

[17:35] comes off of that building, you could

[17:37] see uh where he landed in that grass and

[17:40] there's a white tent behind that

[17:42] building uh that they looked like they

[17:45] were taking um I I wasn't there at the

[17:47] moment, but looked like they had

[17:48] recovered some footprint uh is my

[17:51] understanding. And then he wrapped the

[17:55] the weapon was wrapped in a a towel and

[17:58] then then that weapon was he crossed the

[18:01] street and placed into the the wooded

[18:04] area there and then he fled up into the

[18:06] the neighborhood.

[18:08] One of the interesting variances that's

[18:11] uh my understand is still going on is

[18:14] they don't have a complete digital

[18:15] footprint on the car yet. Uh, so they've

[18:20] recovered the car at his house in St.

[18:22] George and the FBI is working through

[18:26] the data on that vehicle because uh, you

[18:30] know, as an investigator, one of the

[18:32] questions you're going to ask is, was

[18:33] that car stationary during the shooting

[18:36] or was it moving? And if it was moving,

[18:40] of course, that is a dynamic into the

[18:42] investigation that, you know, could

[18:44] potentially change uh, whether or not

[18:46] there are other people involved. and or

[18:48] aware of what was taking place.

[18:52] >> Uh you've been doing this a long time.

[18:55] So do you think that there possibly were

[18:59] people who were aware of what he was

[19:00] going to do or do you think he was he

[19:03] kept this to himself despite talking in

[19:05] advance about how much he didn't like

[19:07] Charlie Kirk? Do you think that maybe he

[19:09] is a lone wolf who kept this to himself?

[19:11] Or do or do you think there were

[19:13] probably other people who were aware of

[19:14] it? Because there are some social media

[19:16] posts out there

[19:19] dated before Charlie Kirk spoke saying

[19:21] something big was going to happen

[19:22] tomorrow. Whether or not those are are

[19:25] related to this, we don't know.

[19:29] >> Well, you know, from an investigative

[19:31] position, right, you always have to keep

[19:33] your mind open. uh you never know until

[19:37] you know hopefully the best evidence is

[19:39] the suspect tells you themselves yes

[19:41] this this and this and that. Okay. But

[19:44] until that time you always have to keep

[19:47] the possibility of

[19:50] are there accompllices andor people that

[19:53] were aware of this and they just kept

[19:55] their mouth shut i.e. They didn't they

[19:57] didn't believe he was going to do it and

[19:59] next thing you know it he does it and

[20:01] now those witnesses start to come

[20:02] forward. Uh and perhaps I I think what's

[20:06] happening in the investigation right now

[20:08] because it is fluid are those types of

[20:12] individuals coming forward saying hey

[20:14] you know this is what I heard. This is

[20:16] what I thought but I couldn't believe he

[20:18] was going to do it. Oh my gosh he did

[20:20] it. And so, you know, a lot of those

[20:23] people do come forward, but it is the

[20:26] ones, you know, like his partner

[20:29] potentially, you know, who he has a

[20:31] relationship with. They're staying

[20:33] together, they live together. You know,

[20:35] you you can't just hide this stuff.

[20:38] Okay? It becomes very apparent that as

[20:42] the investigation starts to unfold and

[20:44] unpack uh not only the digital evidence

[20:47] but the behavioral evidence as a whole

[20:50] then you know you that's when you really

[20:53] start paying attention to the those next

[20:56] to him and in the inner circle.

[21:00] >> Uh it will be interesting to see how it

[21:02] unfolds. Um what do you think we're

[21:05] going to learn from this? Do you think

[21:07] that we're going to learn that he was

[21:08] spending so much time online and maybe

[21:11] in chat I don't know if chat groups is

[21:14] really the right word anymore um but you

[21:17] know on on forums or whatever that are

[21:21] you know feeding his anger and stuff

[21:24] like that. Do you think that that's what

[21:26] we're going to find out?

[21:29] >> You know that's a possibility. I I think

[21:31] we're seeing you know just in general

[21:34] right there there's a shift going on in

[21:38] our culture and you know Charlie Kirk

[21:43] you know he stood for you know freedom

[21:46] of speech for lack of a better term I

[21:48] mean college universities are the places

[21:50] where you know diverse opinions and you

[21:54] know objectivity that's where you go to

[21:56] debate and you know here you're in the

[21:59] he's in public square and he's debating

[22:03] people that may agree or disagree with

[22:05] him and, you know, a shot, you know,

[22:10] takes him out and destroys that

[22:13] messaging. Uh, that we have to really

[22:17] sit back and think about, you know,

[22:20] what's going on here and are we do we

[22:23] have a generation of, you know, people

[22:26] all of us, we're all in this together.

[22:29] Um but is there is this generation

[22:32] you know writing messaging on shell

[22:36] casings you know you know projecting

[22:39] something you know from preworld war II

[22:43] right 1933 to 1939

[22:46] I mean the messaging you know with

[22:48] Mussolini and you know the resistance

[22:51] the Italian resistance against fascism I

[22:54] mean are are we back in the 30s you know

[22:57] preworld war too. I hope not. Uh but you

[23:02] know the I hope that we find out at the

[23:06] end of this that this

[23:10] that we can all continue to just have

[23:12] differences of opinions and we can agree

[23:15] to disagree that violence is not the

[23:18] answer. But we've learned through

[23:20] history though, unfortunately, and I

[23:22] know the investigators are taking this

[23:24] into consideration, you know, because I

[23:27] would, you know, if this was my case, we

[23:30] have to ask ourselves, you know, why is

[23:34] this taking place? You know, we have we

[23:37] have in the middle of Manhattan a

[23:39] gentleman walking down the street. He's

[23:41] executed from behind. Okay. And what's

[23:44] the messaging there? It's it's similar

[23:47] to this problem. you know, the the um

[23:51] showcasing their headwriting on them.

[23:54] And now we have this incident. Is this a

[23:56] copycat incident from the first one from

[23:59] Luigi? Okay. So, all those motivations

[24:02] will be examined. Uh but I really hope

[24:07] that uh this doesn't escalate uh into

[24:10] something even further. Um you know,

[24:13] because it it'll be the detriment uh of

[24:16] free speech. It really will be.

[24:18] I I I couldn't agree with you more. Um,

[24:22] if you disagreed with Charlie Kirk, go

[24:24] up to the mic and debate him. Uh,

[24:27] shooting him is not what we do in this

[24:30] country. Um, and I hope it this has to

[24:34] stop. Um, we do not execute people for

[24:38] having different opinions and for

[24:39] disagreeing with them. Uh, at least

[24:41] we're not supposed to. Um, so it's just

[24:44] terrific to me. And

[24:47] at the end of the day, whether you

[24:48] disagreed with Charlie Kirk or agreed

[24:50] with him, this was still a father and a

[24:54] husband and a human being. And it's just

[24:58] it's sickening. Uh, Chris Mcdana, thank

[25:00] you so much for joining me. I appreciate

[25:02] it.

[25:03] >> Thank you, Anette. Appreciate it.

[25:05] >> So, Tyler Robinson remains in the Utah

[25:07] County Jail. He is scheduled to appear

[25:10] to make his first court appearance on

[25:12] Tuesday and law crime. We'll have that

[25:14] covered for you. That's it for this

[25:15] episode of Crime Fix. I'm Angelinette

[25:17] Levy. Thanks so much for being with me.

[25:19] I'll see you back here next time.