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The Problem With Unconditional Allegiance
Candace Owens opens with a direct challenge to what she sees as robotic thinking among many Christians: the idea that Israel could do anything and receive automatic support. She questions the logic behind statements like "Israel will forever be our ally" or "Israel has the most moral army in the world," arguing that such absolute declarations about any country demonstrate a lack of critical thinking.
Using the example of her husband's home country, Owens explains that she would never say "The UK will always be our friend and ally" because circumstances change, nations change, and to declare otherwise suggests conditioning rather than thoughtful analysis. She argues that many people making these statements are either conditioned to do so or feel compelled by political consequences.
Moral Clarity and Double Standards
Owens expresses frustration with public figures who earn millions of dollars yet refuse to condemn what she describes as morally outrageous actions, including allegations of abuse against detainees who haven't been charged. She frames this as a test of authentic Christianity versus performance Christianity, stating her desire to be a "real Christian" rather than a "fake Christian."
What led her to this moment, she explains, was recognizing that many people she came up with in politics lacked moral clarity. While they could condemn terrorism against innocent Israeli citizens, they couldn't say the same about Palestinians. When she asked why, someone told her it was Christian Zionism—an allegiance to Israel that supersedes moral consistency, based on the belief that "God will bless those who bless Israel" regardless of Israel's actions.
Controversial Examples of Untouchable Policies
Owens brings up historical incidents including the USS Liberty and references to declassified arguments between Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion and President John F. Kennedy before JFK's assassination. She argues that being Israel means "never having to say you're sorry even when you murder American civilians."
She then raises a contemporary issue that shocked her: Israel's policy regarding extradition. According to Owens, if someone commits a crime in America and flees to Israel, Israel won't allow extradition back to the United States. She highlights work by a Jewish organization that investigated this policy, following pedophiles who fled to Israel after committing crimes against children in America. These individuals, she claims, are protected from facing trial despite America giving billions of dollars to Israel.
Owens asks pointedly: "What in your Bible tells you that we give billions of dollars to this country and they won't even give us back our pedophiles?" She suggests that anyone who questions this arrangement is immediately labeled an antisemite.
Discovering the Scofield Bible
This led Owens to research Christian Zionism and dispensationalism, which brought her to the Scofield Bible. She explains that most people don't realize the origins of the Bible they read in Baptist churches across the South. The King James Bible with its notations and interpretations came from somewhere—specifically from C.I. Scofield.
Owens struggled with how to have this conversation because she didn't want to offend fellow Christians, many of whom have supported her throughout her career. She acknowledges owing a large part of her career to Christians around the world. But she realized there's no right moment to tell people the truth.
Her resolve strengthened when she saw Tucker Carlson interview country artist John Rich, who discussed the very same topic just weeks after she had decided to speak out.
John Rich on the Scofield Bible
In the clip Owens shares, John Rich explains that C.I. Scofield was a student of John Darby who adopted Darby's doctrine and incorporated it into the Bible. The Scofield Bible was the first Bible ever made with study notes, and it became enormously popular. Every Christian was reading it, every minister was reading it, and this continues today.
Rich reveals that his own father was told in seminary to "make sure you have a Scofield Bible" when coming to class. The Scofield Bible adopted John Darby's entire philosophy that Christians will not be here when the bad stuff starts to happen—a doctrine most Christians still believe.
Rich challenges this 200-year-old doctrine by examining what the Bible actually says about events prior to Jesus Christ's return. The word "rapture" doesn't appear in the Bible, though it does describe being "caught up" with Christ. The question is what happens leading up to that moment—something Rich notes that preachers rarely address.
Most significantly, Rich reveals that John Darby was connected to the Rothschild family. He argues that just as modern media twists factual situations, Darby used the same tactic in 1830. The result was churches popping up everywhere based on this new interpretation.
The Hidden History of American Christianity
Owens admits she had no concept of what was happening in America in the early 19th century. She thought what she learned in church was real, authentic, and true history. Her perspective changed during study with a priest who told her: "You Americans know nothing. You don't even know that your country was founded by a bunch of Freemasons."
She explains that Freemason groups battled for control of America, and one group won. This connects to how the Scofield Bible came to be.
Theodore Herzl and the Catholic Church
Owens reveals that the Catholic Church was approached by Zionists, specifically Theodore Herzl—credited with founding Israel—in Italy around 1904. This was before World War I and World War II. Herzl wanted Catholic Church support for taking over Israel, but the Catholic Church told him to "kick rocks."
This rejection created a problem. If Zionists couldn't get Catholic support, they would get Protestant support instead. According to Owens, Zionists funded the Scofield Bible as part of this strategy.
The Strange Story of C.I. Scofield
Scofield himself, Owens explains, was a troubled man—a drunk who abandoned his wife and children. The story of his religious conversion doesn't hold up to scrutiny. He ended up in Dallas where he met Freemasons who introduced him to Samuel Untermyer, known for blackmailing President Woodrow Wilson to secure Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis's nomination.
Untermyer gave Scofield entry into the Lotus Club, a predominantly Jewish club in New York City supporting the Zionist cause. Suddenly, this poor pastor had enough money to travel overseas and meet friends running Oxford University Press. They gave him a book deal before the book was even written—he would do notations on a Bible.
Scofield spent time in Switzerland at the same time the Zionist Congress was held there. Within just a couple of years after meeting with Oxford University Press, this man with no university education and no professional background produced a Bible with notations for every verse. Owens questions how quickly anyone could accomplish such a task.
Because it was funded by Zionists, the Scofield Bible became the most massive Bible in print. That's the real hidden story, according to Owens.
Boiling the Frog
The strategy, Owens argues, was to "boil the frog"—to take the King James Bible and add notations guiding how people should read it. A word removed here, a word removed there, and Christian Zionism was born. That's how it happened in America.
This troubles Owens deeply. She sees wonderful people who love the Lord, who will argue pro-life positions all day, but who stop themselves short when matters pertain to Israel. She jokes that Israel could do anything and Christian Zionists would simply repeat, "God will bless those who bless Israel."
The Catholic Church's Position
Owens points out that there were many reasons the Catholic Church decided not to support Israel becoming a state, and this decision predated both World Wars. She believes the Catholic Church has been "holding the candle" in preserving history and inviting Christians to learn their own history, including how Israel became a state.
The wheels were set in motion long before World War II, she argues—by Moses Montefiore and James Churchill back in 1840 after a Catholic father went missing in Damascus.
The Cost of Truth
Owens declares that if she has to be the only person with a platform who has the courage to speak this truth, so be it. She doesn't serve politicians, AIPAC, or money. She considers it a sin to be fearful of bad headlines and questions whether people who prioritize careers and good press really believe in Christianity.
"Do you really submit yourself to Christ?" she asks. "If all you care about is the moment now, the money, the good headlines, if all you care about is the job and the career, then it sounds to me like all you believe in is this life."
Owens concludes that she could never be that person, regardless of what she has to lose. What is happening in Israel now, and what has happened in the past, has been wrong—and she's willing to say it.
Video Transcript
[00:00] I think Israel could do anything. I
[00:02] mean, anything. And Christian Zionists
[00:05] would just say, "Oh, but God will bless
[00:08] those who bless Israel." And so, I'm
[00:09] just wondering like where's the
[00:10] Christian crowd? Because you do hear
[00:12] this a lot. You hear people that just
[00:15] sound like robots. They all say the same
[00:17] thing. It's not thoughtful, right? It's,
[00:19] you know, Israel is our closest ally.
[00:23] Israel will forever be our ally. That's
[00:26] a nonsense, stupid statement to make
[00:28] about any country in the world. Okay, I
[00:30] stand the UK. My husband is from the UK.
[00:33] I would be such an idiot to ever say
[00:37] utter the phrase, "The UK will always be
[00:40] our friend and ally." Because it could
[00:43] change. The UK could bomb us. I hope
[00:45] they stay allies with us. But of course,
[00:47] I'm not going to make that statement
[00:48] unless I've been conditioned to make
[00:50] those sorts of statements or unless I
[00:51] feel compelled to make those sorts of
[00:53] statements. It's foolish, right? Israel
[00:55] has the most moral army in the world.
[00:59] Does that sound moral to you? These
[01:01] people are too much of robots. Not going
[01:03] to go back on it because many of them
[01:04] are in politics and they know the
[01:06] consequence of saying anything against
[01:08] the state of Israel. We have so much
[01:09] national sovereignty that you have
[01:11] people who have platforms, people that
[01:12] are earning millions of dollars per
[01:14] year, who refuse to condemn something as
[01:18] morally outrageous as sodomizing people
[01:21] who have not even had charges brought
[01:23] against them. They can't do it, okay?
[01:24] Because they're cowards. I'm just I'm
[01:26] not for that anymore because I want to
[01:29] be a real Christian. I want to be a real
[01:31] Christian. I don't want to be a fake
[01:32] Christian. I want to be a a Christian
[01:33] until and part of what led me to this
[01:38] moment gratefully actually was
[01:42] recognizing that so many people who I
[01:43] felt that I came up with in politics did
[01:46] not have this moral clarity. could not
[01:49] could could definitely say cuz it is
[01:51] true that it is wrong when innocent
[01:54] Israeli children innocent Israeli
[01:57] citizens are killed are are are murdered
[02:00] rather are subjected to terrorism but
[02:03] they couldn't say it about Palestinians
[02:05] and I thought what is that and someone
[02:07] told me that's Christian Zionism that's
[02:09] what they they have more of an
[02:10] allegiance to Israel Israel can do
[02:13] anything that Israel wants to do and
[02:15] they believe that their Bible tells them
[02:19] that God will bless those who bless
[02:21] Israel and doesn't matter what Israel
[02:23] does. And Israel's done a lot, by the
[02:24] way. Let's not even get into like the
[02:26] USS Liberty, which being from Israel
[02:29] means that you never have to say you're
[02:30] sorry even when you murder American
[02:32] civilians. Okay. I guess the the CIA is
[02:35] never going to declassify those
[02:36] arguments that Prime Minister, the
[02:38] Israeli Prime Minister Ben Girian was
[02:41] having with JFK before he was shot. So,
[02:43] we don't even have to ask that question
[02:44] because that's our friend and our ally.
[02:45] And so we we shouldn't h ask any
[02:47] questions about anything that they do
[02:50] whatsoever. You know, I mean, Israel's
[02:53] been involved in in so much. And yet,
[02:55] we're not allowed to ever say anything
[02:59] other than that's our best friend and
[03:01] ally with a figurative and sometimes a
[03:03] literal gun to our heads. And I'm
[03:06] getting pretty tired of it because what
[03:09] is Christian Zionism? What in your Bible
[03:11] tells you that we give billions of
[03:13] dollars to this country and they won't
[03:16] even give us back our pedophiles? What
[03:19] am I talking about? Do you not know
[03:20] this? You should look this up. And maybe
[03:22] Skyler, you can pull it up in time while
[03:23] we're while we're live. Uh there was an
[03:26] amazing Jewish organization in America
[03:28] who hunted down. They had this policy
[03:30] that if you commit a crime in America
[03:32] and then you flee to Israel, they won't
[03:35] allow America to extradite you back. And
[03:38] so you had a ton of people, a lot of
[03:41] pedophiles, men who were raping and
[03:43] sodomizing children. Okay? But
[03:45] fortunately for them, because they could
[03:48] flee to Israel, they would never get
[03:51] extradited for their crimes to the
[03:53] Jewish organization that did an indepth
[03:55] piece on this, an in-depth um
[03:57] investigation into this, and they
[03:59] followed them. They went over to Israel,
[04:01] and they hunted these people down, and
[04:03] they said, "This is ridiculous. Why are
[04:05] we not bringing back these pedophiles to
[04:07] face trial in America? No answer. No
[04:10] answer. I guess because they're our
[04:12] friend and ally, they are allowed to
[04:15] protect pedophiles from being extradited
[04:18] back to America to face charges for what
[04:20] they did to children. That's what it
[04:23] means. And we have to give them money
[04:25] but for that. By the way, he would think
[04:26] if I give you a billion dollars, you're
[04:28] definitely going to back my criminals.
[04:29] Nope. Doesn't work like that. And if you
[04:31] have an issue with that, well, you know
[04:33] how it goes. because you're an antmite.
[04:35] That's it. If you want the pedophiles to
[04:36] be required to face the charges
[04:40] and be brought back from Israel, you're
[04:43] an antite. That's what I'm That's what
[04:45] I'm hearing. Again, what is Christian
[04:47] Zionism? Okay. What is
[04:50] dispensationalism?
[04:52] What is it that these people believe?
[04:54] And so, when I started doing the
[04:55] research, I went, "Aha,
[04:57] there is this thing called the Scofield
[05:00] Bible." Most people don't know because
[05:02] you're raised, you go to church, you go
[05:03] to Baptist church from the south and you
[05:04] read the Bible and the Bible's got
[05:06] notations and and then you have a pastor
[05:08] who's telling you what all of these
[05:09] verses mean, the King James Bible, and
[05:12] this is what this is what this verse
[05:14] means and take it to the bank and you
[05:17] never stop and ask yourself, well, who
[05:19] made these notations? What inspired
[05:21] Scoffield to make these notations? Of
[05:24] course, right when I had it on my heart
[05:25] to start speaking about this particular
[05:27] Bible, and it's taken me a lot of time
[05:29] because I don't wish to offend
[05:32] other Christians. I don't wish to offend
[05:34] the people who really a large part of
[05:36] everything that I've been through and
[05:37] this pull that brought me back to the
[05:39] Catholic faith. Um I owe a large part of
[05:42] my career to so many Christians around
[05:44] the world who have supported me from the
[05:45] very beginning. And so I've struggled
[05:47] with how to have this conversation and I
[05:50] realized that there is no right moment
[05:51] to tell people the truth. And of course
[05:54] at the moment that I made up my mind to
[05:56] tell people the truth I then saw that
[05:58] Tucker Carlson had on John Rich, the
[06:00] country artist John Rich. And believe it
[06:02] or not, just a couple of weeks ago they
[06:04] were talking about the Scoffield Bible.
[06:06] Take a listen.
[06:07] >> Have you ever heard of a Scoffield
[06:08] Bible?
[06:09] >> Yes, I have.
[06:09] >> Okay. So CI Scofield was a basically a
[06:12] student of John Darby and he adopted
[06:15] that part of the doctrine and he
[06:17] incorporated that into the Bible. It was
[06:19] the first Bible ever made that had study
[06:21] notes with it. We have all kinds of
[06:23] Bibles now that have you know
[06:24] concordances and study notes and all
[06:26] kinds of stuff that go along but this
[06:27] was the first one that was ever ever
[06:29] made. It became so popular every
[06:32] Christian was reading it. Every minister
[06:34] was reading it and this this continues
[06:36] today to this exact second. My own dad
[06:38] when he went in seminary and was you
[06:41] know wanting to become a minister they
[06:43] said make sure you have a Scoffield
[06:44] Bible now when you come to class have
[06:46] your Scullfield Bible. Scoffield Bible
[06:48] also adopted that that entire John Darby
[06:51] philosophy
[06:53] of Christians will not be here when the
[06:55] bad stuff starts to happen. And most
[06:57] Christians still believe that. Matter of
[06:59] fact, a lot of my friends that are
[07:01] Christians are going to watch this
[07:02] interview are probably right now going
[07:03] hang on a minute now. Hang on. So this
[07:06] is a this is pushing back against a
[07:08] doctrine that's been in existence now
[07:11] for coming up on 200 years. The problem
[07:14] with that doctrine is there's a several
[07:17] places in the Bible where it talks about
[07:20] what's going to happen prior to Jesus
[07:23] Christ coming back to the earth. When he
[07:25] does come back, that is when what we
[07:27] call the rapture happens. The word
[07:28] rapture is nowhere in the Bible. It
[07:30] talks about us being caught up with him
[07:31] and pulled out of here and then and then
[07:33] the ultimate wrath is poured out on this
[07:35] planet. That's what we call the rapture.
[07:37] But the So that's not in debate. The
[07:39] question is what happens leading up to
[07:41] that. It's a good question to ask,
[07:43] right? For some reason, nobody ever
[07:45] preaches that. They don't want to talk
[07:47] about what all happens prior to it. So
[07:50] if I can, can I just read if we have
[07:52] time? That's why I love the thought of
[07:53] this interview.
[07:54] >> Just Oh, I do too. But just to be clear,
[07:57] you're what you're saying is the
[07:58] Scoffield Bible, its theology is
[07:59] deceptive.
[08:01] >> I'm saying that the same way the media
[08:06] takes a factual situation and twists it
[08:09] and gives you a version of it, which we
[08:11] all know we're forcefed every single
[08:12] day.
[08:14] That same exact tactic was used in 1830
[08:18] by John Darby. And guess who he was
[08:19] connected to, by the way? The
[08:21] Rothschilds.
[08:23] >> Interesting. Yeah, he was connected to
[08:24] the Rothschild's family back in the day
[08:26] that he did the same exact tactic and
[08:28] twisted that. I don't know why he did
[08:30] that. It worked because it took off and
[08:33] I mean it it was there were churches
[08:34] popping up everywhere right after that.
[08:37] I'm saying that
[08:39] including me, including my own father
[08:41] for a long time, that's what we believe
[08:44] too. But when you start actually going
[08:45] back and reading line by line by line
[08:47] what is said that will be leading up to
[08:50] Jesus coming back, which is when the
[08:51] rapture happens, it's a it's the inverse
[08:54] of what John Darby put down.
[08:57] >> I I didn't know that. Uh but somehow I'm
[08:59] not surprised even a little bit.
[09:02] >> And there's more, by the way. There's
[09:04] there's actually a lot more. And I'm
[09:06] grateful that John said all of this
[09:08] publicly, and I'm definitely going to
[09:10] have him on the show to talk about this
[09:11] at length. And he said a lot of
[09:13] important things there. So what happened
[09:15] is like I've said to you many times,
[09:17] history is just being erased second by
[09:18] second. You guys have no concept of what
[09:20] was happening in this country in the
[09:22] early 19th century. I had no concept, by
[09:24] the way. I don't even want to speak to
[09:25] you as if I'm so educated that I know
[09:28] more than you because I thought all the
[09:30] same things that everybody thought. I
[09:32] thought that what I was learning in
[09:34] church was real and was authentic and
[09:37] was the true history. And it really took
[09:40] when I was in study with a priest
[09:43] actually last year and he looked up to
[09:45] me and he said, "You know, you Americans
[09:46] know nothing. You just know nothing."
[09:49] And he said, "You don't even know that
[09:51] your country was founded for by a bunch
[09:54] of Freemasons.
[09:56] Freemasons went there and they were
[09:58] battling for America and someone won,
[10:01] right? One of the Freemason groups won
[10:04] America."
[10:05] And the truth of the matter is is that
[10:07] the Catholic Church was approached by
[10:10] Zionists and it was approached by
[10:12] Theodore Herzel in Italy. He went over
[10:14] Theodore Herzel, the person that they
[10:15] credit with founding Israel and he
[10:16] wanted the Catholic Church to support
[10:18] them taking over Israel. Now, this is
[10:20] before World War II, guys. We're talking
[10:22] about about 1904.
[10:25] And the Catholic Church told Theodore
[10:27] Herzel to kick rocks. And that was a
[10:30] problem for the Christians. We're not
[10:32] going to support them uh taking over
[10:35] Israel. So they hatched up a plan. They
[10:37] said, "Well, if we can't get the
[10:38] Catholics to support us, we certainly
[10:40] can get the Protestants to support us."
[10:42] And they funded, and I'm referring to
[10:45] Zionists, funded the Scofield Bible. Uh
[10:48] Scofield himself was a actually a
[10:50] horrible man. He was drunk. There was
[10:52] the story that you hear about him coming
[10:53] to an aha moment. No, he left his wife
[10:56] and kids and basically somehow landed in
[11:00] Dallas where he met some Freemasons.
[11:02] They introduced him to Sam Untomeer uh
[11:06] very who's known I guess you know most
[11:08] notoriously for for blackmailing Woodro
[11:11] Wilson in order for him to have the
[11:14] Supreme Court justice Lewis Brandis.
[11:16] He's basically said blackmailed Woodro
[11:18] Wilson to get Lewis Brandis the Supreme
[11:21] Court nomination and Samuel Entermier
[11:25] allowed this guy Scoffield entry into
[11:27] the Lotus Club. Lotus Club was a
[11:29] remarkably Jewish club in New York City.
[11:33] Majority of the club was Jewish people
[11:34] supporting the Zionist cause. Out of
[11:37] nowhere, this poor guy, this poor pastor
[11:39] suddenly has enough money to go be
[11:41] funded overseas. and he meets their
[11:43] friends who are running the Oxford
[11:44] University Press and they give him a
[11:47] book deal before the book is even
[11:49] written and he's going to do notations
[11:52] on a Bible. And then he spent some time
[11:55] in Switzerland at the same time that the
[11:57] Zionist Congress was held in Switzerland
[12:00] and suddenly it took him just a couple
[12:03] of years after shaking hands with the
[12:05] Oxford University Press, a man that had
[12:07] no experience. He wasn't even a
[12:10] university grad, had no professional
[12:12] background, gets a a book deal so
[12:15] massive that suddenly they begin
[12:17] printing this Bible which featured just
[12:19] as John Rich said notations. Supposed to
[12:23] believe Scullfield wrote that. How long
[12:24] would it take you if you had to put
[12:26] notes for every verse in the Bible? How
[12:29] quickly could you do that? It's amazing
[12:31] how quickly he did it. And suddenly
[12:33] because it was funded by Zionists, it
[12:35] became a Bible that was the most massive
[12:39] in print. That's the story of the
[12:41] Scullfield Bible. That's the real hidden
[12:43] story of the Scullfield Bible. John Rich
[12:45] is not lying. I've never spoken to John
[12:46] Rich about this and I am not lying to
[12:48] you. Okay? I am not lying to you. And
[12:52] what they decided to do there was to
[12:53] boil the frog. was to take the King
[12:55] James version of the Bible and to
[12:59] essentially just put notations of how
[13:02] people should read. It's a word removed
[13:04] here, a word removed there, and the next
[13:07] thing you know, guys, you wouldn't
[13:09] believe this, but Christian Zionism was
[13:11] born. That's it. That's the truth. That
[13:13] is the reality. That is how Christian
[13:15] Zionism was born in America. They
[13:17] discredited with the Scoffield Bible.
[13:20] And that is a problem for me. It's a
[13:23] problem for me when I look up and I see
[13:24] people who I know are wonderful people
[13:27] who I know love the Lord and who stop
[13:30] themselves
[13:32] short who will argue pro-life all day
[13:35] but will stop themselves if the matter
[13:39] pertains to Israel. I I now make the
[13:42] joke that I mean quite quite literally I
[13:44] think Israel could do anything. I mean
[13:47] anything. And Christian Zionists would
[13:50] just say, "Oh, but God will bless those
[13:52] who bless Israel. We are not allowed to
[13:54] get back our pedophiles." And if you
[13:56] speak to a Christian Zionist, they they
[13:57] will not say anything about that.
[14:01] And so I wanted to open that discussion
[14:04] because there are a lot of reasons that
[14:06] the Catholic Church decided not to
[14:07] support Israel becoming a state. And
[14:08] again, this predates World War I and
[14:11] predates World War II. And there was a
[14:14] lot of reasons that I feel that the
[14:15] Catholic Church has been holding the
[14:17] candle in many in every single way.
[14:20] Holding the candles um holding on to
[14:22] history and inviting Christians to learn
[14:26] about their own history. Inviting
[14:28] Christians to learn even about how
[14:30] Israel became a state because the wheels
[14:34] were set in motion long before World War
[14:36] II. Okay. The wheels were set in motion
[14:39] by Moses Montafiori and James Churchill
[14:43] back in 1840 after a Catholic father
[14:49] went missing. Okay, in Damascus, that is
[14:52] the reality. That is just the truth. And
[14:55] if I have to be the only person who has
[14:57] a platform with the courage to say it,
[14:59] then so be it. Okay? I don't serve
[15:03] politicians. I don't serve Apac. I don't
[15:06] serve money. It is a sin to have that
[15:10] perspective, to be fearful of bad
[15:12] headlines. And it makes me call into
[15:14] question,
[15:15] do you really believe in Christianity?
[15:17] Like, do you really submit yourself to
[15:20] Christ?
[15:21] If all you care about is the moment now,
[15:24] the money, the good headlines, if all
[15:27] you care about is the job, and the
[15:28] career, then it sounds to me like all
[15:30] you believe in is this life.
[15:34] It's just not who I could be. I could I
[15:35] could just never be that person and I
[15:37] don't care what I have to lose. I think
[15:38] you guys have probably figured that in
[15:39] the process because what is happening
[15:41] right now in Israel and what has
[15:43] happened in Israel in the past has been
[15:45] wrong.
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