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Candace Owens Exposes Jeffrey Epstein's Connections to Foreign Intelligence and Israel's Control Over U.S. Government
Candace Owens delivers an unfiltered examination of the Jeffrey Epstein case, questioning why American officials claim ignorance about Epstein's alleged intelligence connections when former Mossad agents have publicly stated he worked for Israeli intelligence. She challenges Attorney General Pam Bondi's testimony and discusses the broader implications of foreign influence on U.S. sovereignty. Owens also reflects on her personal transformation from working with conservative organizations to taking controversial stances on Israel, explaining how her commitment to truth over financial security has shaped her journey. She argues that people globally are experiencing a spiritual awakening, recognizing patterns of deception and demanding authentic answers to questions that have long been considered taboo.
The Epstein Case and the Failure of Authentic Leadership
Candace Owens opens with a provocative statement about political authenticity, expressing frustration with what she perceives as gaslighting from government officials. She argues that if powerful entities truly control the population, she would prefer they be honest about it rather than maintain pretenses. This sentiment sets the stage for her deep dive into the Jeffrey Epstein case, which has become a focal point of her investigative work.
Owens specifically calls out the disconnect between publicly available information and official government statements. She references Attorney General Pam Bondi's testimony where Bondi claimed not to know whether Epstein was working for another country—a response Owens finds deliberately evasive and insulting to the intelligence of Americans.
Documentary Evidence of Epstein's Intelligence Connections
Owens presents what she considers clear evidence of Epstein's connections to Israeli intelligence. She cites Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Mossad agent who is on record stating that Robert Maxwell introduced Jeffrey Epstein to intelligence operations, specifically mentioning his involvement in weapons dealing. This testimony, Owens argues, should be impossible for the Attorney General to have missed.
She also references Victor Ostrovsky, another former Mossad agent who defected and wrote the book "By Deception," which details Mossad operations. According to Owens, Ostrovsky has publicly stated that Epstein worked with Israeli intelligence. The fact that she can access this information while government officials claim ignorance strikes her as deliberately dishonest.
The Robert Maxwell Connection and Historical Revisionism
Owens addresses what she calls one of the biggest lies in the Epstein narrative: the claim that Jeffrey Epstein didn't know Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell's father, who is widely acknowledged to have been a Mossad agent. She states that the current story being fashioned for public consumption suggests Ghislaine and Jeffrey met after Robert Maxwell's death, which she categorically disputes.
According to the testimony of Ari Ben-Menashe that Owens references, Epstein was brought into intelligence operations during the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s. This means, by her timeline, that Epstein has been working for Israeli interests for decades—information she finds remarkable that she possesses while high-ranking government officials claim ignorance.
Questions of American Sovereignty
Owens makes one of her most controversial claims: that Israel controls the U.S. government and that America hasn't been a sovereign nation since the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. She is explicit about who she believes was responsible for JFK's death, stating directly that she means Israel when she says "they."
She argues that Trump is powerless against Israeli influence and that there will never be a public resolution to the Epstein story because of this control. This leads her to discuss what she sees as a taboo that must be broken—the ability to criticize Israel without being immediately labeled or silenced.
Israel, Gaza, and a Personal Transformation
Owens describes her complete transformation regarding Israel, noting that she went from working for PragerU—an organization known for its pro-Israel stance—to stating she will never support Israel. She attributes this change to what she describes as Israel's "demonic" actions, particularly referencing the humanitarian situation in Gaza and what she characterizes as a starvation campaign against children.
She specifically mentions footage she's seen of Israeli forces "playing hunger games"—throwing food at people and killing some while seeing who survives. These images, she says, should serve as a wakeup call to anyone willing to look at what's happening. She emphasizes that she doesn't care what negative articles are written about her for taking this stance, as they've already exhausted their attacks on her.
The Birthright Trip and Propaganda
Owens discusses a hot mic moment involving Jonathan Greenblatt of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), where he was caught saying they need to get TikTok under control because of a "generational issue," comparing it to what they accomplished with Birthright trips. She interprets this as an admission that the Birthright program—which offers free trips to Israel for young Jewish Americans—was designed as a propaganda tool.
She argues that Jewish Americans have been propagandized into believing they must support Israel regardless of its actions, and she hopes they're now having conversations about this. Her broader point is that allowing identity to shape morality is problematic, whether you're Black and feeling pressured to support BLM, or Jewish and feeling pressured to support Israel. She believes individuals should form their moral positions based on principles rather than tribal identity.
Identity Versus Morality: A Universal Principle
Tucker Carlson highlights what he considers a profound point from Owens: that allowing your identity to determine your morality is deeply problematic. He notes he's never heard anyone frame it that way before. Owens expands on this, expressing concern that society is moving toward a world where all ethics are situational, dependent on tribal identity rather than universal standards.
She positions herself as someone who operates by principles—unchanging standards that apply regardless of who is affected. This approach, she argues, is what has allowed her to survive and even thrive after taking controversial positions that cost her professionally and socially.
Surviving Cancellation and Spiritual Warfare
Owens reflects on her experience of being targeted and canceled, describing it as a form of temptation. She explains that the pressure to remain silent—to not speak about Gaza, to maintain comfortable relationships and financial stability—is what she views as being tempted by Satan. The primary weapon used against her, she notes, is financial: lawsuits, threats of being sued for billions of dollars, the promise of crushing her economically.
Yet she survived what she calls the worst year of attacks and came out thriving, measured by her podcast numbers, her growing family (she's now a mother of four), and her sense of purpose. Carlson points out that not only did she survive, but she's thriving in ways nobody predicted. Owens attributes this to refusing to compromise her soul for comfort or money, choosing truth even when it was harder.
A Global Spiritual Awakening
Owens believes something significant is happening globally on a spiritual level. She sees her own survival as proof of this. She notes that her podcast attracts millions of daily listeners from around the world—people using VPNs to access her content in countries where it might be restricted. What they respond to, she believes, is her authenticity: she's not presenting herself as an authority like mainstream media figures, but rather as someone learning alongside her audience.
She contrasts her approach with that of CNN's Jake Tapper, who she says used the word "deranged" six times in the first minute when discussing her—a tactic she connects to Sigmund Freud's theories of diagnosing and dismissing rather than engaging with arguments. The fact that mainstream media constantly tries to crush dissenting voices, she argues, is evidence that those voices are hitting on truths that threaten established narratives.
The Power of Asking Questions
Owens expresses particular joy in how figures like historian Darryl Cooper are received. She finds it funny that Cooper—who she describes as "a nice historian"—is portrayed by media as dangerous. This disconnect, she believes, makes people curious: if this obviously reasonable person is being attacked so viciously, what truth has he uncovered that threatens the establishment?
She notes that asking questions about World War II narratives, in particular, triggers intense reactions. She mentions that the history textbooks Americans learned from were printed by Robert Maxwell—the same Robert Maxwell connected to Epstein and acknowledged as a Mossad agent. This leads her to ask deeper questions about how minds have been shaped from childhood, why people have emotional responses to certain topics, and what questions they've been conditioned not to ask.
The Absurdity of "Just Asking Questions" as an Accusation
Owens highlights what she sees as the final absurdity in the establishment's response to dissent: the phrase "You're not just asking questions," said as an accusation. The implication is that asking questions itself is suspicious, that seekers of truth must have nefarious motives. She finds this revealing—if the establishment had truth on its side, they would welcome examination and questioning.
She argues that the fear of questions, the demand to stop exploring and learning outside approved channels like the public school system, reveals that something is being hidden. An innocent party, she reasons, would never fear investigation. The worldwide response to her work and similar content, she believes, shows that people can see through the gaslighting and recognize when they're being lied to.
Israel as an Unintended Catalyst for Unity
In an unexpected observation, Owens suggests that Israel's actions in Gaza have become a unifying force, bringing together people across traditional political divides. She mentions Tucker having Ana Kasparian on his show—Kasparian being a progressive commentator who has been critical of Owens in the past. Yet Owens has maintained that she likes Kasparian because she perceives her as authentic, even when they disagree.
This strange unity across left and right, across racial and religious lines, represents something significant to Owens. For the first time, she sees the entire world in lockstep, recognizing that something profoundly wrong is happening in broad daylight with no one stopping it. This global awareness, this collective recognition of injustice regardless of tribal identity, represents the kind of principle-based morality she advocates for.
Truth as the Ultimate Authority
Throughout the conversation, Owens returns to a central theme: commitment to truth above all else. She frames this in explicitly Christian terms, referencing Jesus as "the way and the truth and the life." She believes everyone is being tested right now—presented with the choice between comfortable lies and difficult truths. Many are failing that test, she acknowledges, but many aren't.
Her message to her millions of listeners is that there is something far bigger than money, a higher authority than financial pressure or social acceptance. When you commit yourself to truth and do the moral, principled thing, even when it costs you, you are ultimately rewarded. This spiritual framework is what allows her to maintain joy even while being constantly attacked, and it's what she hopes will inspire others to choose authenticity over compromise.
Video Transcript
If they just came out and said, "F you.
No, no, boo boo. You can't touch us. We
rule over you. Haha. That would feel at
least authentic. Going back to the
Taylor Lens thing. You know, you know,
right now I'm obviously very much
interested in the Epstein case. And so
that's where I'm focusing my attention,
the Epstein case. And
>> where do you think that was,
the Epstein case?
>> I would say Israel, obviously.
And again, I'm so tired of us being
gaslit. It's the the dumbest gaslighting
of all time
on record. Okay. When Pam Bondi said,
>> "Okay, LIKE I I JUST I
JUST I CAN'T EVEN THIS was just a moment
where I was like, okay, like f you. You
guys hate us. Like you just like you
don't even you have so much power. Why
don't you come out and say nah, boo boo,
you can't touch us. F you." I would
rather you do that, right? Than put on
this pretense of a conference and then
you've got Trump over here being like,
"Does anybody still care about Jeffrey
Epste?" And then Pam Bondi is asked the
question, you know, was he working for
another country? And she says, you don't
know, right? You don't know. So, am I
serious? I'm like, maybe we can help
them. Maybe we can help the deep state
figure out who Jeffrey Epste was working
for. Here is Ari Ben Minaj, who was a
MSAD agent who is on record, literally
recorded. Let's listen to him tell us
about how Jeffrey Epstein was working
for the massage. Okay. Ari Ben Minaj
worked from a saying that Robert Maxwell
brought him to Jeffrey Epste and said,
"Let this guy in. He's going to be
involved in weapons." Hey, Pam Bondi,
you might have missed this one. Okay,
you might have missed one. Then you go
to another uh person who is on record
who is Victor Atroofski who defected
from the MSAD notoriously. The MSD
admits he worked for the MSAD. He wrote
a book by deception or or by deception
only. He says that's the MSAD motto,
which they obviously do that. That's why
they, you know, execute all these false
flags. and he told everybody the truth.
He has said Jeffrey Epstein was working
with us. So for whatever reason, Candace
Owens is able to determine whether or
not Jeffrey Epstein might have been
working for another state. But Pam
Bondi, they're just going to have to
keep surmising about whether or not
Jeffrey Epstein, who who is with Gain
Maxwell, her father being Robert
Maxwell. One of the biggest lies, by the
way, that's that's told, and I debunked
this in our first or our third EP
Epstein episode, is the idea that, oh
well, yeah, Robert Maxwell, they admit
he was a MSAD agent, but Epstein didn't
know him. They the the story they try to
tell now in fashion to the public is
like Galain and Jeffrey Epstein met
after her dad was dead. That's just
false. Again, Ari Benj tells the story
of being brought into the office and
being told that Epstein was going to be
brought in. This was the Iran Contra
scandal. So, since the 80s, Jeffrey
Epstein has been working for Israel. I
don't know how I know that. and Trump
and Pam Bondi don't, but they got to
bring me in. Like, I might have some
evidence here, right? It's like, so it's
we're getting to a point now.
>> You're gonna have tough confirmation
hearings.
>> I just I just want them to say, "F you."
Like, if seriously, that would feel
better at this point if they just came
out and said, "F you. No, boo boo. You
can't touch us. We rule over you. Haha."
That would feel at least authentic.
Going back to the Taylor Lens thing, you
know? I'd be like, I really don't like
that, but at least it's authentic and I
know you mean it and it's true.
>> All totally fair. Does does any of I
mean, to the extent that we can project
forward and guess, does does any of this
come out? I mean, to a greater extent
than it has. I mean, is there ever like
a public resolution of this story?
>> No, because Israel is controlling our
government. So, no, the answer is no.
Trump is powerless against him. We
haven't had I don't think we've been a
sovereign nation since they shot JFK.
And when I say they, it's like I people
online say, "What do you mean by they?"
I'm talking about Israel. I don't want
you guys to like, you know, read between
I'm talking about Israel. So like, let's
stop making that a taboo subject because
they've gone mask down. Everything
they're doing is demonic. I want nothing
to do with it. I will never support
Israel into the future after what
they've done to these children. Uh the
starvation campaign. I I don't care.
Like please write your We've already
written them all. I don't know what you
could add right about me. Uh but I do
not support Israel and I don't think
that Jewish Americans should support
Israel and I hope that they're now
having those conversations. I see many
of them recognizing that they have been
propagandized into believing they have
to support this demonic state and that's
in large part thanks to their birthright
trip. Yeah, that mask down moment for
Jonathan Greenblat of the ADL when he
got caught on the hot mic. Um it was
released. He didn't know he was being
recorded and he's like saying that
they've got to get Tik Tok under
control. He's like we have a
generational issue with Tik Tok. We need
to do something about this like what we
did with Birthright. What does that tell
you? that the entire purpose of that
birthright trip, telling every Jewish
American, you forget a free trip to
Israel was to propagandize you into
believing that you have some affinity
with this madeup country in the Middle
East like in 1948 that you have to, you
know, react when something's happening
to them or you have to look away when
they're doing things that are so
obviously wrong and demonic. And so I'm
hoping now that we're getting to that
point where people can recognize that
whether you're black, you don't have to
agree with BLM, whether you're Jew,
allowing your identity to shape your
morality is problematic. Okay? And
Israel in and of itself is a demonic
nation. I will never support Israel.
Right? So I went from working for
Prageru to I will never support Israel
in so that's how much the scales have
fallen from my eyes about what they are
involved in. And if you this isn't your
wakeup call to just look at the footage
of what they are doing. They're playing
hunger games and like throwing food at
them and then killing people and seeing
who survives you, I mean it's it's just
at your fingertips. You have to take a
look at what Israel is doing.
>> Your point that if you allow your
identity to determine your morality is a
very deep um and I think important point
that I've never heard any I've never
heard anybody put it that way. But it
does feel like we're moving toward a
world in which you know all ethics are
situational and it all depends on who I
am and who my tribe is and what my
identity is and there isn't to the
extent there used to be a sense of like
universal standards that apply to
everyone otherwise known as principles.
You clearly operate by those principles.
What does that accelerate or do we
return to a moment where we can say all
no there are universal standards of
behavior. truth is an unchanging thing.
Whether we have it or not is debatable.
But there is something called truth.
There is a an actual reality
or does AI just make all of it? Like
>> I think the people that we're fighting
wish that AI could make everything. I I
am troubled by AI. I'm troubled by
people believing that AI is smart. It's
obviously dumb. It is. It it requires
you not to read books and to believe
that everything it spins out which is is
really just they're scraping the
internet right that's all it's doing
then gives the power to the same people
New York Times it's like they're just
scraping the trusted sources and telling
you this is a fact when it's not a fact
>> um and but I very much believe that
something is happening globally right
now spiritually I think me even
surviving last year is proof of that
obviously if lies were
>> well and and not just surviving I should
point out since you're not a a braggard
I and thriving in a way that like nobody
would have predicted as you know
measured by your numbers on your podcast
as measured by your family output. Now
you're the mother of four. Like I don't
know I don't even know how you like have
a baby in the middle of all that but you
did. Um you're you're thriving. Yeah.
>> Which is amazing. I never would have
guessed that ever.
>> I hope that people take away from me
living through it and surviving and
coming out the other side is that it's
it isn't it isn't worth your soul to
tell a lie. You know, tell the truth.
And that seems harder. That certainly in
that moment of temptation feels harder
when you're being promised the world. If
you just don't say this thing, you know,
everything will stay the same. If you
just pretend like you don't see what's
happening in Gaza, you know, you can
have your life the way that you like it.
That is, in my viewpoint, that that is
being tempted by Satan. That really is.
And that is why they want you to be
attached to money, right? That is why
they don't even know how to
try to destroy me outside of saying
we're going to financially crush you,
right? We're going to keep you in
lawsuits. We're going to sue you. I'm
going to sue you for $8 billion because
there's no truth in these people. Like
money is all that is the only motive.
That's their only real power. And so I
hope that when people the you know the
millions people that listen to my
podcast every single day that they get
that there is there is something way
bigger than that, a way higher authority
to that. And when you commit yourself to
truth, right? What is Jesus? Jesus is
the way and the truth and the life,
right? I think that once you get through
that temptation, you are rewarded if you
do the right thing. If you do the moral
thing and you do the principal thing,
you're being tested. We're all being
tested right now. That's what I truly
believe. We're all being tested and a
lot of people are failing that test, but
a lot of people aren't. Right. Strange
Bed Fellows. You had Anna Kasparian on
this show and I've been saying for a
while that I liked her cuz I perceived
that she was being authentic even when I
disagreed with her.
>> Well, she's authentic.
>> Yeah. I was like, I disagree with her
and she's been terrible to me, but I
perceived that she's being authentic.
And we're seeing that happen. It's a
good thing. It's a good thing that the
left and the right are coming together
on this topic and that it doesn't matter
if you're black or you're white. And so
in that way, yeah, Israel, what's h like
Israel has been a blessing because I
think for the first time the entire
world is in lock step realizing
something is very wrong that this is
allowed to happen in broad daylight and
no one is stopping it.
>> When you say you see something happening
globally on the spiritual level, what do
you mean? What I mean by that is I can
and and obviously I'm looking at my own
metrics here, but we have people
committed to watching my show all over
the world. Like using VPNs to watch this
show all over the world. And as I don't
view myself as an authority, I'm
learning with them. I think that's what
they enjoy about my show is I'm not like
Jake Tapper sitting up here telling you
she's deranged. I'm actually saying
>> we're not getting answers here. It
actually used the word deranged
>> like six times in the first minute.
>> Deranged.
>> Deranged like six times in the first
minute. It was It was glorious. It was
so funny.
>> That's like a clinical diagnosis.
>> I mean, come on.
>> Have you seen a doctor?
>> Oh, yeah. You know who uh taught that
theory of just diagnosing it? Yeah.
Sigman Freud. Here we go. So, I
recognize what you're doing. I read the
book. I read the book. You won't gro AI
me. I know what you guys are about. Um
yeah, if you if you're telling the
truth, just diagnose it. But yeah, I
that's what they do. They diagnose it.
But yeah, I think we are seeing all
around the world people are kind of
waking up to that and they're responding
to it and they tried to crush you. They
try to crush you. You're lucky you're
not an ex because all they do is try to
crush. You're trending all the time over
the most mundane things. I love their
hatred of Daryl Cooper. I love it
because when you see him he's like a
nice historian
>> and he really is.
>> But the world can see that, right? So
that's why it works. That's why you say
you ask me the question Kenneth, why do
you have so much joy? Cuz it is funny,
right? And I think that my joy makes
them even angrier cuz I think it's so
ridiculous. You're trying to sell to me
that this guy Daryl Cooper is the second
coming of Adolf. Like that's funny. And
then it makes people curious cuz you're
going he's so clearly not. So what is it
that he's hit upon that has you guys so
triggered? It's got to be a truth. Let
me keep digging. And yeah, you as soon
as you start like asking any questions
about the World War II narrative which
has been decided in our textbooks which
were printed by Robert Maxwell. Okay.
Um, let's just forget it's not our
Epstein series. You know who who he who
prints the textbook is king? You start
asking other questions, right? How has
my mind been shaped since I was a child?
Why do I feel this way? Why do I have an
emotional response to these things that
I don't understand? And that was set up
for you. We were set up to not ask
questions about certain things. And so
now they're arriving at their final
point. And this is why I love it so much
is that we've now forced them into a
corner where their legitimate argument,
as if it couldn't get more absurd, is
that we have to just stop asking
questions. Right? You're not just asking
questions. This is their new thing. You
You're not just asking questions. Why
are you asking questions? Say what you
really mean. They're the ones that are
so clearly undone that we can't even ask
questions. So, we're waiting.
>> The funny thing is, I actually am asking
questions. We all are.
>> They don't really understand a lot of
things,
>> right? We all are. We're reading and
we're learning and that scares them. So,
what does that tell you when exploring
and learning and true education outside
of the public school system terrifies
them? What does it tell you? That
they're hiding something. They're lying
about something. You think I would be
scared if you were asking questions and
I knew the answers to them? I'd be like,
"Yeah, no. Here you can come examine
this a thousand times." Like, you're
you're lying about something and the
whole world can see that.