Candace Owens Just DROPPED MAJOR INFO LIVE on X and EXPOSES EVERYONE

Whoop whoop. Let's get into it. Ladies and gentlemen, for those of you that don't know, like I said, didn't I call it? Didn't I call it? I didn't even think of this. I said I'm like, I think Candace is going through her own Candace withdrawals. It's not just us that are like, "Oh, when's she going live again?" It's not just us because she's taking she's taking she's not coming back until next year, guys. So into Janu, early January, that's when we're going to see an episode from her. But she was getting her own withdrawals and there was so much stuff popping off that she just had to go live. But you didn't miss it. Well, you did, but it wasn't on YouTube. It was actually on X. Okay. So, she went live on X. Just talking about Fort Wuka, giving a whole breakdown of where she stands on everything. Mitch for Wuka, why it's important, all these different things. Had a bunch of different people in who spoke a little bit here and there, but I have it all for you. Don't worry about it. I have it for you. I'm going to give you all the breakdown. It was an hour and a half. I'm bringing you all the best parts. We're going to start off with why it's so important. She breaks down why she thinks it's so important. There's another journalist in there named Sam. He breaks down why he thinks it's so important as well. Then we're going to go through alibis where she just talks about the alibis of Brian Harpole, Erica Kirk, you know, or lack thereof. Why they're going to tones with their stuff. Gary from Paramount Tactical, why aren't they coming to her? There's a whole bunch there. Then we get into Mitch a little bit. Now Mitch, she's going to be talking about what she verified and basically talking about how she doesn't particularly care about his past. She's not focused on that. She's focused on Fort Wuka. Did he see who he said that he saw? That's basically it. She's making that very clear. But I have a few clips on that. Few clips on the alibi. Then guys, this is very weird. Vala and Gary from Paramount Tactical. Now, we're going to listen to this together, okay? But she's saying that either they're they're both on recording or one of them is on recording. And man, do I hope it's Gary. Do I hope it's Gary. [laughter] I hope that it's Gary. I'm just saying, you know. Um, but she's saying that Mitch recorded a conversation that he had or conversations he had with either Valhalla or Gary Paramount Tactical. And this apparently was a very positive conversation where they were being very nice to him. So that's very interesting. Then Ian talks a little bit about Vajala as well because Canden Candace, she brings up Vajalla VFT. So I know I know Vajala, bro, I know you wanted to make one video. He said this is one and done, but you might want to make another video just checking this whole thing out, you know. Um, and then we're going to end it off with I think it was Andrew. And you'll understand what that means when we get to it because there's someone in this chat who got a very credible piece of information about Charlie Kirk and what happened to him two weeks before it happened. And he's questioned on who actually told him about that piece of information. But we'll get to that. But let's start at right at the top with why it's so important. There it is. Candace dressed like Sherlock Holmes. I mean I mean I got to say it, you know. Sherlock Sherlock Owens in the house, ladies and gentlemen, here to solve the case. All right, let's start it off >> yourself and jump in. That would be great. >> Uh yeah, thanks for for having me. I guess uh my whole thing is why does this meeting even matter? Like what is the actual claim that's being made here? That's been my confusion the whole point uh the whole time is like okay let's say that there's absolute proof you know photographic evidence that everything Mitch Snow says is true like who cares I mean what is that proof what is the actual accusation who who do you think was conspiring with who to do what >> and I think you know obviously the name of the episode was you know the day before Charlie Kirk was murdered the the insinuation is that this was a assassination planning meeting >> which I I don't I don't even see any evidence of that and then people I'm arguing with online are saying no no this has nothing to do with the assassination. >> Yeah. >> So yeah I guess you know if the space is why this matters why does for Wakachuka even matter like what is the claim being made? I I I still don't even understand that. >> So it matters because why would Brian Harpole be on Fort Wuka at all? Right. It matters because he's giving an alibi which means he doesn't want to be associated. Like it could have easily not mattered kind of to speak to your credit. He could have been like, "Yeah, I was at Fort Wuka with my brother um and my brother's in the military. I was dropping off some food." Uh, okay. Like that could have been then suddenly a dead end. That would have been nothing. Now, because Mitch had described this as a top secret meeting in an offsite building and had described this as top brass at the Pentagon and said that these sorts of meetings, and I am forgetting the military term, are when you're just about to embark on like a mission. I know I sound I really uneducated, but military guys will sound better saying that. It was compelling. Like, okay, like I said, Brian Harpole was acting funny. He's been acting weird. He's been telling verifiable lies and he cared enough to present an alibi, meaning he didn't want people to think he was there, right? So, if you have to if you have to give someone an alibi, it's because you don't want people to think that you're there. Um, there is an alibi is not needed if there's nothing to hide. >> So, that's why [clears throat] it matters. I think that's why it matters. And the reaction, this reaction uh rather than being forthcoming is why it suddenly feels like, okay, this is important because no one's acting normal. No one's just like, oh yeah, cool, he was there. Like, it also is, as we have now learned, it isn't it's an intel base. Um, he was telling the truth about exactly what building it was. I didn't name the building on my show because I didn't I wasn't sure if that would be like a national security problem, but it just happened to be that JTF was borrowing that off-site building. Uh and it was supposed to be a top secret meeting uh for those purposes. Somebody that was involved in blacking out the windows had sent us a tip. Again, it's how people are reacting to the meeting that lets us know that it's important. >> Uh okay. I mean I guess >> regarding the hotel, I never said it was important. Like like I said, my perspective was there's a thousand different reasons that she could have been at that base. Her mother has a contract or had a contract has a contract with the DoD. Uh Erica has been open about her mother's um ties to the military in the past. She actually did an interview and said that she moved to uh Arizona because her mother had a contract with the military. So again, weird thing is when Andrew's like, "Erica wasn't in some fort." As if he's never heard of Fort Wuka. His brother is in the military. His brother is um Captain Curtis Kovvet. His uh uh first cousin is Captain Robert Kovvet. So that kind of a language is why I've named this why it suddenly really matters, right? It was sort of one episode. I didn't exactly dedicate a whole series to it. The reaction has been so almost like violently obsessed that the public is now going, "Oh, okay. Well, it feels like there's something here." I think that's just sort of our natural our natural instinct. >> Okay. I mean, I I think if you're saying that somebody is >> It's really funny that this guy who she's talking to, and I just want to like focus on her and and you know, the the the clips that are really important, but she pretty much like kind of lays into this guy a little bit because he he's acting like he doesn't understand and he's acting like he's coming from this, I don't know, fair place, but at the same time, he works with bal tones. he works with him. So, we all know why he's there and that's why he's starting off his his conversation, his speaking with why does all this even matter? And then uh he ends up being like this is a nothing burger and I don't think this is going to be anything and I don't I know you're insinuating you're insinuating that Erica Kirk had something to do with this and you say you're not but I know you are and all this stuff. And then Candace actually very kindly just kind of goes, "Yeah, that's nice. That's that's good. We're going to move on to someone else like just I mean I'm not even going to get into it but let's just focus on you know why Fort Wuka is important but Balix tones the falloff needs to be studied you know billion dollars in debt. Hey you know what honestly what would you do if you were a billion dollars in debt? Huh? You ever think of that? You might you might you might start doing stuff like B. You might just start making things up and shouting and screaming and you know hooting and hollering doing whatever you were told, you know. Anyway, anyway, let's just jump into this. I don't want to get focused on B. Bal just works my nerves at B. That tones. Anyway, let's get into the next clip. >> Too many lies and there would be no reason to lie when you have the whole world on your side. >> Okay, so I have that on double speed. Of course, you guys know me. I'm I'm I'm double speed McCoy, not to be confused with the magnificent, handsome, chiseled Mikey McCoy. I'm just double speed McCoy >> rooting for you. Why are you lying? >> Well, since you mentioned Andrew Kov, Candace, if I may, if I may jump in, um, you know, and to address Harrison, and one of the things that I remember that I keep in mind throughout this entire investigation is in an investigation, details matter, but you don't know what details matter until you investigate them, right? and and and you know when this and as an outside observer on this particular story, the Fort Wuka story, all of a sudden I've been air dropped this detail that one of the top members of Charlie Kirk security detail is at an army intelligence base the day before Charlie's assassinated. Now, that's a detail. I don't know what it means. I don't know if it means anything. I don't know if it's important or not important, but that's a detail. That is a definite detail because Brian Harpole's job is to protect Charlie Kirk, >> right? That's his job. That's his job as one of the top members of the security detail is to protect Charlie Kirk who the next day was assassinated. So like this is an important detail. What is one of the top members of the security detail doing at an army intelligence base the day before? It might not mean anything, but maybe it means something. What does it mean? I don't know. I have to investigate it. Now, how does Andrew Kulp come into this? I'm reminded of the fact that he told you, Candace, that you and Tucker were on some list and possib >> I want you to remember that. We're going to go back to that near the end because somebody else brings up Andrew as well. And uh yeah, yeah, we we'll get into that. But he's 100% right. You don't know what details matter until you investigate them. And that's why, you know, when I did my video when I was talking about Candace's response to Valhalla where he was like, you know, case like this is done for anybody who has any logic. And I was like, h well, you know, like let's just see where she goes with it, you know, let's not just close it off yet. And that's just my thinking. And and my thinking is like that towards anybody who's looking into Mitch. It's like, keep going. Like I know Vala said he's kind of done. He just he had all the information. and he wants to bang it out, let everybody know who this guy is, what he is, and just leave it at that. But it's like, I don't know, go deeper if you can. Why not? Let's hear everything about the guy. Let's I don't know. Like, maybe something will pop up and then all of a sudden it's like, okay, now I understand. Now I understand. Right there. Perfect. You just never know. Let the details keep rolling out, man. I don't uh I don't want anybody to stop. You know, people will email me all the time about uh Charlie being alive, and I'm gonna make a video on that eventually, but it's like, let them keep going down that avenue. There's people who are still towards the detonator, the palm gun, like, you know, electrocution. Now, it's like, let people just go off and figure out what makes sense and what doesn't. Just let them. Who cares? It's weird. It's weird that all of a sudden, you know, and going to what Candace said within these two clips, Candace talking about the reaction. The reaction is odd, man. Like, just let people go. Like, if if you know something, let that be the thing that you know and let that be the reason why you don't go down the avenue that everybody else is going down. You know, it just kind of makes sense to me, especially when it's a crowdsource type of thing. That's the thing. When an investigation is crowdsourced, no one has any right to say this is a dead end. If somebody's like, I'm I'm going I'm doing this. Then they're doing this. That's it. You don't get to be like, no, no, you have to stop and do like, no, that's actually not how crowd sourcing works. Everybody is doing their own thing and it's all compiling. It's all compiling. Speaking of which, did you hear about what Ian's doing? Oh, it it'll be like a whole video in and of itself. He's making a d It's like a It's a database with all of our videos. It's so It's so wild. It's so wild. I can't even get into it right now cuz I know this episode's going to be like an hour long, but man, what that guy's doing. Just shout out to Ian. Incredible. Incredible. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'll I'll make a video on it, man. But let's move on to alibis. Let's jump right in to alibis. We're going to start off. Let me see who we're starting off with. I believe it's Brian Harpole. Then we're going to jump over to uh Candace talking about messaging Brian Harpole, getting silence from him. Uh Brian and Turning Point and how their situation actually went. I have a clip a little bit about that. I didn't realize this. Um turns out he actually was fired. I didn't I didn't realize this. Um, I heard it, but Candace actually is verifying it from TurningPoint's mouth because they have not spoken about this publicly. Uh, and then Erica failing her alibi test with Candace. There's a reason why Erica went to Gary uh from Paramount Tactical instead of going to Candace. There's a reason for that. And you'll find out about that in a second. Let's start off. Let's go. Where's it at? What are we kidding me? Come on. What? What? What are we talking about here? Well, that's just ridiculous. Here, let's start with this one. >> Okay. Well, that's another like interesting thing that's happening. I would like to look further into that. Now, in terms of people saying that, you know, Erica doesn't owe you an alibi. I didn't ask Erica for an alibi. So when suddenly I realized that Paramount Tactical was speaking with Andrew Kovat and she was providing an alibi to Andrew Kovat. Well then suddenly now if you're going to provide an alibi then let's provide an alibi. Like you know what I'm saying? I'm happy to just like communicate whatever that alibi is. I never demanded it privately. I didn't demand it in her face. And um I still don't even if she had said yeah I was at Fort Woo I was at a hotel and I was dropping off a package. That doesn't necessarily put her at the meeting the next day. But Mitch did say that the person who he thinks looks like Cabbat Phillips was at that meeting the next day. So obviously that's interesting. Like obviously if we're investigating this, we should just like we could check it off the list and move on. I have messaged Brian Harpole, just so you guys know, thus far, I want to say four times at least three times asking him. Um, again, we can't say he was willing to give his flights, but doesn't want to also just give his metadata or a picture or something. They took a text message at that time to clear his name. You either want to give an alibi or you don't want to give an alibi. You either are saying, "I don't owe you an alibi. I don't want to answer at all." But if you're going to do something halfway, then you should provide a full alibi. Now, I will say that I had some communication. I I did message also once the thing exploded with Andrew Kovac because he's just getting on my nerves. like really I have been so nice um in terms of what I have told the public about things that Andrew Kovette told me. He's starting to like a little bit play with the bull and um we're getting real close. We're getting real close to me just saying if you guys really think that I have not been fair, you will really recognize how fair I have been uh if he keeps pressing me. And I felt very pushed. I would love to know what that means cuz she must be talking about more private conversations that they've had because he was a source at one point for her. And I wonder what she's talking about uh putting out there. You know, I I really do think from hearing Candace, from hearing what Andrew has let out, from seeing his reaction when he actually is being the spokesperson for Turning Point and how he's handled things, I think he was so close to Charlie that whatever happened to Charlie, I don't I don't think it was random. I don't think it was just random Tyler doing his thing. And whatever happened, I think he might be in danger as well. I'm not I'm not saying like it just from the way that he acts and if enough stuff comes out, it seems like he's putting himself in danger because what's being revealed is that he gave out a lot of information that he probably wasn't supposed to give out. He probably wasn't supposed to say anything to Candace or Tucker or Benny Johnson. He probably wasn't h supposed to have anybody know that he put those text messages and gave those text messages to the authorities. Like there's probably a lot that wasn't, you know, you know what I mean? And he's getting found out left and right. And and he like got rid of his entire Instagram because of it. And he got rid of all his tweets before uh September 10th or Yeah. before September 10th. He got rid of all of his tweets. Like something's going on with that guy, you know? Like Baron said, you got to get your soul clean. That's what he said to Andrew. Let's keep going. >> By that Paramount Tactical thing. Uh these people are lunatics, blah blah blah. It's like, bro, send me a text. And I could have shut it down immediately, but you're like, I'm assuming you're also the person talking to Andrew. I mean, speaking to Alex because Alex did say on his show that he spoke to Turning Point USA people and like he had Brian Harpole's flight. So, it's pretty obvious. It seems like they're working behind the scenes and that's annoying me. It's annoying me a lot actually. Um anyways, so once I saw that uh Andrew Kovette was speaking with Paramount Tactical and being I don't know, I guess sort of denigrating what we were doing, I then was like, "Okay, let me text someone more responsible at Turning Point USA and ask, "Hey, do you guys want to give me an alibi?" So, I put Andrew Colt um and the COO in a chat and I was like, "Hey, just figured we could have a direct line and you can just give me Erica's alibi and I'd be happy to publish it cuz I'm not interested in like throwing one on someone's name. I just want to get to the truth." Um that conversation was had yesterday and they did give me um an indication of what what she was doing, which was making dinner for Charlie. I have asked for, you know, metadata to show that, uh, that it was, you know, Charlie that she was texting and I'm still waiting for that. So, um, the last conversation I had with them, I think that was yesterday, Sunday, Sunday, at around 1:00 p.m.ish my time, central, I think, and, uh, they said that Erica got busy with the kids and that they were going to get me something. So, I'm still waiting on that. just so you guys know that I have been responsible and speaking to the people directly trying to get the information. >> So from here I'm going to show you another clip because this is at like 26 minutes in, right? But closer to where is it? An hour 25 she actually reveals this. Let me see if I can just jump over to this clip. I know I'm I'm going to be jumping a little bit. I hope hope this doesn't ruin what I'm trying to do here. Okay. Uh let's just listen to this cuz she actually reveals what happened with that whole Erica metadata thing right now. I believe let's listen to this example because they did like you you might not have been on earlier but I reached out to Turning Point again because like I said I'm not interested in chasing rabbits that you know like I want to actually know what what's real and what's not. Um yes Sunday, what's today? on Sunday. Um I think around 1:00 p.m. I got on the phone with them. I reached out on Sunday uh sorry on Saturday. Got on the phone with them sometime after mass on Saturday. I on Sunday, pardon. And um they were like, "Hey, like yeah, she was like making dinner with like organizing or making dinner with Charlie. Like we're going to send you a message of like between her and Charlie speaking." And I was like, "Great. Amazing. I will literally update Twitter right now and say like Erica was making dinner with Charlie." And they send me a message, but the contact was blacked out. So, I went back obviously and I was like, "Hey, like the contact's blocked out. Like, I don't this could be a message between like me and George for all I know." And I was like, "Do you just mind like just sending like I know Charlie's number obviously, so just like you know, show me the contact." Um, and they were like, "Um, oh, uh, we blocked it out because this it's like a pet, I don't know, like a nickname that she has for Charlie or whatever, and she just didn't want you to see And I was like, "Okay, well, you can just like change the contact name and just send me like, you know, just send me a video of you opening it so I can see Charlie's number and tell my audience like this is confidently a text chain between Charlie and Erica." And then um they just said, "Look, it's Sunday." Uh I think it was like 1:00 or something and she's busy with the kids, but we'll we'll get you that. And so I waited. It's now been obviously more than 24 hours. It's been like 30 I was Yeah, >> that is a terrible terrible thing that's taken place. So, this is the reason why they went to Gary. Thi that reveals why they went to Gary. They went to Gary because Andrew, well, Andrew thought he could just send Gary a thing and say, "Hey, look at this picture." And don't share it, but just to verify, that's where she was. So, you can just say that. And Gary was just reading the whole thing live in front of everybody. And he was he even read the don't share. [laughter] So, so that went up in smoke, but that's the reason they went to Gary because they could just send Gary a picture where the kids' faces are blanked out. They know Gary's not going to go, "Well, that kid looks like Gary." Listen, Gary's great. I'm sure he is. I'm sure he's really nice. You know, everybody's somebody's kid. You know what I mean? And, you know, we we love our kids. We really do. Um, so I'm sure he's great, but Gary's not going to go, "Oh, well, you know, that looks like a boy, and it looks like a boy who's like maybe four years old, and Erica doesn't have a boy that's four years old, and that that the girl the girl there that looks like it could be the girl's age, but I don't know. You have your finger over it, and I can't see anything except for September 9th, 8:33. I just I don't know if this is a proper alibi. Gary's not doing none of that. Gary's just like, "Perfect alibi. There's a picture. There's a finger over it. Perfect finger. I know that's Erica's finger. Those are those are some young people there. Perfect. That's all I need to see." They knew Gary would do something like that. But if you send that to Candace, Candace goes, "Um, if you could just" And they go, "Oh, well, you know, Erica doesn't want you to know that she used to call CharlieBookie." So, I'm sorry. You know, there's only so many people who are allowed to see that his nickname on her phone was boopy. Hey. Hey, it could be. It could be. Why is that ridiculous what I just said? You don't know. You don't know. I'm sure your wife has some kind of nickname for you. Your husband has some kind of nickname for you. I don't get it, man. I don't get it. I don't I don't get how you could fail it that. This is the thing. Even if you're a liar, like if you're a liar, I'm not saying Erica is, okay, but at least do it better. Like you have multiple people to sit around and figure out the lie together. So you just go, "Guys, how can we lie perfectly? She wants a picture. How do we lie all together? How do we figure this out, guys? And everybody just has a hand in the lie. I'm not saying that's what they should do, but if you got three, four people and you're making things up, like, put your heads together. Come on. This is crazy. Just uh send the picture and just blank out the name. Yeah. So, it's from Cabbat. It's for sure from Cabbat. It's fine. Just black out Cabbat's name. Okay. And uh let's just send her that. Yeah. Just black it out. Huh? What? I don't know. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Again, I don't condone it, but if you're going to do it, do it right because this is just ridiculous. a clear lie. And Candace is very, very nice for not just being like, "Oh, you guys are lying to me, huh? You know that, right? Just wanted to make sure that you know you're lying." All right, so let's go back to the first clip I wanted to show you guys. This is at 8:33. This is uh when she started talking about alibis again. This is with Brian Harpole now. What is going on? It's like some of them work and some of them don't. It's ridiculous. What is happening right now? Here, let me just uh do this one. We got 833 here. >> Didn't realize that JTF had gotten back. >> When I go to 833, it doesn't work. Oh. Oh, is that what's going on? So, when I click on 833, then all of a sudden, we got technical get difficulties. H I see how it works. together. >> Check this out. >> I would say on the internet and uh suddenly the next thing I knew Erica and I had a date to meet on that Monday. So that was Thursday. That's the stop just just stop snippet. Friday I had no show. Sunday I want to tell you this part because this is important. On December 14th I received a text message from Ian Carol. I hope he is in this chat. I'd like him to jump in in case I get anything wrong here. But the text message was to me and my producer and he was like, "Hey, like I have something for you guys that I need to discuss. It's pretty urgent." When I got around to calling Ian, he told me that basically he had received information from someone. He didn't want to give me the name of the person and that definitively like Brian Harpole was preparing some huge lawsuit against me. And I was like, "That's really weird." And um I think he said like some big like Texas lawsuit. I don't know. I don't know what he but like basically was like it's a big lawsuit and like you know you're going to want to be careful talking about this. And I was like okay well that just can't be accurate because that's not how lawsuits work. I know about lawsuits. And I said I think someone's intentionally giving you bad information to try to scare me from talking about the Fort Wuga thing anymore because I >> That's very interesting. I have to stop right there because Tim P actually said the exact same thing just re he brought it up very casually and he said I have good information. It was back when he said the whole thing that Candace was using or had used. He said using and then he switched to had used at some point. Um so he's kind of talking out of both sides of his mouth there. and he was saying that she had used Brian Harpole and Charlie's security uh and that she was lying about it and then he said he couldn't say much because Brian Harpole there are lawsuits coming. That's what he put out there. So Candice is actually on the nose thinking that this is just made to distract her because Tim's entire performance was just to distract her. I think just to distract everybody quite honestly because if you notice when Tim started flipping out is exactly when she first brought up Fort Wuka. It actually coincides perfectly from the time he started going at Candace was exactly when she brought up Fort Wuka. Very interesting man. We're figuring things we're learning together guys. I hadn't yet hosted Mitch to tell a story, but I had indicated that like I might do more with Mitch or I might pass him off to Ian Carol. Next thing you know, Ian Carol's getting a phone call and told that I'm about to get sued for mentioning Brian Harpole. So, I thought that was like a little weird and I basically said to Ian, I think, yeah, intentionally somebody gave you bad information. Uh, you first have to start with the cease and desist and I don't factually know if what Mitch said was wrong. that ends. Um, Monday is when Erica and I obviously had to sit down for four and a half hours and, um, Turning Point kind of hosted a Q&A, which I thought was unfair and against the rules, I will say, because we agreed to not speak about anything. Um, but that went on obviously on the Tuesday. I came back and I Oh, actually, let's go back to the meeting with Erica because this is also relevant. [snorts] During that meeting, I did not bring up the Fort Watuga thing because I uh first and foremost needed to continue vetting various aspects of it, but also I have Brian Harpole's number and so I was just going to text Brian Harpole directly. Um, but it is worth saying that during that interview, Erica gave me Brian Harpole's flights and said like, you know, we I know that you mentioned that you thought Brian Harpole was at this interview. Um, here are his flights. Now, you guys would later see those flights because Alex Jones then mysteriously has these flights. Um, I took the flights from her. I thought it was interesting because I didn't bring up Fort Wuka and I wasn't intending to bring up bring up Fort Wuka and I hadn't mentioned Erica on the show. Uh, and I looked at them and I said, "Oh, well, this isn't is not an alibi." Because the meeting ended at 7:30 a.m. and planes that left Fort Wuka were back in Texas. They actually the SAM plane, as we know, went straight to Texas. And I think Brian Harpo's flight left at like 3:42 or something in the afternoon in Texas. So I was like, "This is actually does not um conflict with the idea that he could have been leaving a meeting at 7:30 a.m. Uh it's a pretty short flight to Texas." So I uh I said that and that was it. And but I said, "But thank you for giving me this because now I can tell people um that I have these flights and also that he doesn't like yet have an alibi for that morning." I just wanted to mention that because I feel like that's important. Anyways, um obviously when we went back on air on Tuesday, uh I recapped very I was tired and what just kind of went through kind of the high points or the things that we had discussed. It was a very long meeting. Um on Wednesday, we broke the story about uh Charlie's car um and that we actually had exclusive photos of what the inside of the car looked like. On Thursday, I made the decision to have Mitch on my show. And the reason why we made that decision is because we were then working in the background to verify other aspects of his story and we were able to do that. I now felt uh beyond confident he had sent me all of his um metadata. He had sent me as you guys already saw uh his ID cards, his former passports, his new passports. He even sent me now I can't say that this Mexican person was in the cartel but you know his story was that he was being hunted by the cartel. certainly had um a uh like court documents documenting that that a a Spanish person had broken into his home and whatever had happened. So I believed him. I believed his story. I knew that he was a Green Beret. Like I told you, I verified that information right away. And I knew that he had stumbled upon this meeting and he thought this is why they were pulling him aside. They may have thought something else, but it was substantially true. Everything he said was substantially true. Whether or not he saw Brian Harpole, I don't really know. Right now, of course, the decision to have him on, I was aware that I could not say to him, I felt that that would have been super inauthentic if I was like, "Hey, tell your story, but like let's not talk about the fact that you think 100% that you saw Erica." Like, that would have just been inauthentic. And I feel like people know that I don't know, you guys would have just like sused that out in 4 seconds. So, I understood obviously that we were opening a can of worms because people were going to be compelled obviously by the fact that potentially Erica Kirk was on the base the evening before, if you will, on September 8th. Uh, but again, my main thing was Brian Harpole. During that time, as we were vetting his story, he described the congressman. He thought he was pretty certain that it was a congressman of some description. Uh, and he described him what he looked like, glasses, about the age, and he said the height was 5'9. So, so from here, if you can't tell, we're getting into Mitch. We're getting into Mitch territory, ladies and gentlemen. So, now throughout these little series of clips, I think I got four of them here. Why is it show three? Should have four. Oh, no. No, it is three. So, Candace is just talking about she doesn't care about his past. She's confirming more about Mitch. Then also talking about, and I don't know about this, this is not something, you know, I mean, you're here, right? But I don't know if you've heard this from anybody who's been making uh videos about Mitch, but now I'm hearing Candace say that he has zero convictions. So that's weird. I guess it's a lot of he say he said she said. Now I haven't watched Vajala's breakdown. I've definitely haven't watched any of Gary's breakdowns. Um I I haven't seen any of the breakdowns in terms of uh Mitch's past. Um, so this is news to me and it's actually surprising cuz from what I've heard about him in conversations, uh, I would think there would be some convictions, but I guess there would also be jail time if there was. And I haven't heard about any jail time either. So, all very odd. But let's jump into uh let's jump into this first clip about Mitch. Let's jump in. >> Say that. [clears throat] So, he seems like he's being intentionally dishonest about stuff. She kind of just made one statement. Timing was a bit weird. Um, yeah, that's kind of how that happened. >> Interesting. [snorts] Okay. And then >> just want to say, uh, she's talking about those two creators that I brought up. One is named Evan, one is named, uh, Morgan, and they both re they vote, they both made a very odd statement, you know, you know, when somebody says, and I hear it a lot, especially in the content space, you know, this is not an airport. You don't have to announce that you're leaving. That type of thing. Well, they had to announce that they were leaving. And it seems so weird because if you didn't support Candace looking into Mitch or or having Mitch on the show, you could just quietly stop talking about it. But they made it a point and they did it very similarly. Similarly, whatever. You know what I mean? Uh they did it the exact same way. One's talking about the Holy Spirit. The other one's just like, I can't do this in my heart. and you know, oh, people are going to hate me. I'm sorry. That type of thing. And it turns out they're actually good friends. And it turns out they were talking about releasing these statements. And it turns out they're both for I think they admitted, according to a journalist, that they both are getting paid by the same company. Now, they're not they say they're not getting paid to make any anti- Mitch uh content, but it all just seems so odd. And Candace is being very nice to the one who's named Morgan, the lady. Uh Evan, on the other hand, has become he's done a full switch. Just like Bal, just like Tatum, he's just done this full switch. It's It's wild to see. But she's being very nice to Morgan. I don't think she should be. I really don't. I think uh I think I think it looks exactly I think it is exactly what it looks like when you see people I always say when you see people speaking in unison okay you have to be wary and then all a sudden you see these two people speaking in unison they actually have each other's numbers they actually talk to each other all the time they release the same type of statement they're getting paid by the same company what does that look like it's probably exactly what it looks Like anyway, let's keep going. >> And something else like with what Evan is claiming, it kind of just reminds me of, you know, there's a P man that's coming into prominence and then you see a bunch of women come out. Me too. It's like, okay, maybe Mitch is not maybe he's not correct. Maybe he's lying, but he does seem to have more evidence supporting what he's saying than these random exag like disgruntled women. And so I'm not saying that it's incorrect that they're wrong, but I feel like we should be remembering that, hey, this is what these like women do and the government will get behind them and kind of push them to make to say these me too things to discredit people. So, >> right. And the thing is is I I and and correct me if I'm wrong, but like there were no convictions. So, it feels like we're getting involved in somebody's divorce and somebody's like, man, like I just it's just not my business. It's not my business. I'm sorry. And I'm sorry to say I don't care, but I don't care. I care about who killed Charlie Kirk. I care about whether what he said he saw on Fort Wugo is real or not. And every other piece of the story checked out. Like I got the military police report. So this just feels like mud, you know. And I'm look like I said to Ian, I said, "Look, if if your buddy Gary wants to do like, you know, Becoming Mitch, nine seasons, let him do it, you know. Everybody everybody has to follow like what what is their passioned life." And I was like, I just personally don't care. And so I encourage everybody who is feeling passionately against Mitch uh to go down that rabbit hole. I am focused on what happened that day. And thus far nothing Mitch has said to me has not checked out. Um and even they won't even admit that they like, you know, lied about some stuff in the past. Like when Ian was contacted, they were like, "It's stolen Valor. He wasn't a Green Beret." And then they like casually admitted on their show, okay, no, he was a Green Beret. Bye. >> So, the person that she's talking about here, she's actually talking about Valhalla because apparently Ian and Vajala had communications because Vajala really wanted to warn Candace. Um, so he was coming from a good place. He really wanted to warn her about this whole thing and uh and it just it turned into everything. It's turned into >> embarrassed he was a Green Beret because look at these female and their allegations, but we're not going to mention all the allegations that exist with these women. Like that just feels like it does feel like me too. and I'm just not interested in it. Morgan just actually um jumped on. So, I do want to add her as a speaker. And Morgan, you sort of missed maybe some of this. >> It's really nice. Really nice that she wants to add her as a speaker and all this stuff. Like I don't know. I don't know. I don't I don't I shouldn't say I don't think she should be doing it, but you know, just for me, it's like she keep she seems kind of snakish in my opinion. But anyway, let's go more on Mitch. >> Yeah, I'm good. Thanks for giving me the floor because there's been so much drama the last couple of days and everybody I feel like has been like against one another for some reason. And I keep reiterating I have no issues with Candace. I'm still 100% on board with the investigation. I just >> I have my reservations about Mitch and I feel like I should be able to uh to voice those concerns. And I know that a lot of people don't care about his past or his history or I don't even want to say only his history because currently it's my understanding that he does have open cases. But when we're looking at, you know, somebody's credibility, how can we find them credible if the only thing that we have to take is their word for something? And right now, it's a it's it's he said, she said, he said that he saw people there and we can only take his word for it. And when you have every single person in his life, not only the exes, but his children who he's never had custody of any of them, uh they all say the same thing that he's a pathological liar. I have trouble trusting an individual like that and I just want to make sure that we stay on track in finding out what happened to Charlie Kirk. >> See, this is exactly that is Morgan. That's the that's the girl that I'm talking about here. And I really do think this is what she just said is exactly why I think Candace is being a little too nice because now this person has come with a clear agenda. Okay? Because again, if you don't care if you if you if you think that he's not credible and you're still focused on the investigation, well then focus on which part of the investigation you think you should be going to. Candace is on the Mitch part. You can go to the next part and that's it. But for some reason, she's like, and catch the key word. Webb was doing this, too. I want to make sure we're still focused. Why is it we Why does Candace have to refocus because of how you feel about Mitch? Let her go down the Mitch rabbit hole. Let her go down that. Let her figure that out. You know, I wanted to hear more about Blake Lively than I did want to hear about Breijit. But when Candace decided it was about Breijit, I was like, "Okay, I guess that's I didn't write in and be like, you know, I really want to hear more about Blake Lively and Justin Baldon. Actually, I don't understand why he can't go." No. Right. You don't get You don't get that choice. I don't know. It's just It's just very weird. And now it seems like she has a person who's in there who clearly has an agenda and is trying to move the 150,000 people who were currently watching that thing. Anyway, let's keep going. >> Yeah. And so I think what I would offer back is that's what we have been doing. So rather than speaking to his son, I contacted people on the base, you know, like, okay, he said that Nef that somebody named Nef, which is what he said initially contacted me, Captain Nef was the one who questioned him. So rather than speaking to his son from 22 years ago, I think the people would say, "Why don't you speak to somebody who's on Fort Wuka base now and see if there's a Captain Nef there?" And that's what we did. And we confirmed that Captain Nef and the 10th Brigade was there. He said it was in an off-site building, a JTF off-site building. Um, we spoke to people at the base and they told us, "This is the exact building. here's where it is in the map and they are borrowing the space. Um he told us that this incident happened and the bomb dogs were called. So I made an effort and successfully got the police report. That's how we verify whether or not it's pathological liar um is by verifying what he said. Right. And so that's why and as I said before you jumped on I reached out to the people that were involved. I reached out to Brian Harpole three times. He wanted to give an alibi in the sense of like giving flights for 3:42 that afternoon. Okay. So, why are what's stopping you from giving us what you're doing at 7:30 a.m., right? Like, that kind of is what's weird. It's like you give half an alibi that doesn't matter, but you don't want to give the full thing. You don't want to just message me and say, "Hey, just so you know, that wasn't me." Um, so that's what we're actually doing is trying to verify the last thing, which is just like really his memory. He did tell the truth. He told truth about everything that happened that morning. Um, and so the last thing is does he have a good facial memory? Um, and thus far we've not been able to, you know, and I am in the process, as I said, of speaking with Turning Point USA. We haven't yet gotten um a clean answer from people who have indicated that they are they do want to give an al alibi, right? Because Andrew Kovat is messaging Paramount Tactical with an alibi. Well, I'm your girl. I'm I'm try I'm the only one, I think, that's trying to debunk Mitch like [laughter] so. So, I'm like, give me your alibi and I will post it, you know? So, um, yeah, I think that's >> I guess my concern is like, okay, so if they don't provide any alibis, then what happens? Does this just stay open-ended and then it keeps being the main focus. >> Well, they did. That's the point. And that's why this is now be that's why I named this why it suddenly really matters, right? So, if they had like kind of stayed out of it and we're like, well, I'm not even going to answer because it's so stupid. Then we're like, okay, well, maybe he's just wrong. And that would be what it was. He would just be wrong. he wouldn't be a liar because he was where he said he was, you know, and the base the people that were there were there and Captain Nef was whatever. But um they did give an alibi, so they do care, right? They they cared enough to give it to like obscure YouTubers, which is kind of random. Like it's like, okay, why are you wheeling and dealing like if Andrew Coat did not get caught live orchestrating an alibi? It shows that Erica cared because she's showing her metadata. So, wouldn't the common sense thing to be if you care that much rather than going through obscure YouTubers, like wouldn't you just go to Rectic Canyon be like, "Hey, I saw you did an episode on this. Like, here's your here's the information you're looking for." They all have a direct line to me. Like, I would have published it immediately, >> right? I just I I wonder if if say let's Erica does provide something, are people going to be uh are they going to accept that from her? I I would and I would end the I would end it. Like I would that's like my goal is not to look stupid, right? So like if he gives me like an alibi and she's like here's where I was like why would I not just instantly be like hey here like it wasn't her. Thanks Mitch. Like it was a different blonde. Like we've been very open to that and I said that a thousand times on the show. You either have really good memory when you see faces or you have a bad memory like I do when I see faces. I don't know Mitch so I don't know. But he he was pretty detail oriented about the watch and and little things and um I think beyond anything else the reaction when Andrew Kovvat is wheeling and dealing behind the scenes it then makes things really compelling right if he didn't get caught on that live I probably um would be neutral I mean I did one episode on this everybody's acting like I've done like becoming Breit you know what I mean like we've been investigating the Charlie thing we've covered so many things I do one episode on Mitch and everyone's like no LIKE WE GOT TO TALK TO HIS high school classmates. We got to talk. It's like dude like like everybody calm down. I'm getting threats of lawsuits in the background telling like Ian was like uh you know I got to talk to you before your next episode is what his text was because they were putting pressure on him to get me to stop reporting on this. They didn't they didn't want me to even interview Mitch. So I just find that to be compelling like what is this panic about? um espec >> when she says now this is what Candace says and Ian is kind of silent about this but she is just kind of putting it on Front Street. She's talking about Ian getting pressured. I don't know if he was getting pressured or maybe he just felt pressured but the people she's talking about is Gary and uh and Vajala apparently. But, you know, this is why I say Vajala is probably going to have to make another episode just so he can be like, "No, I didn't pressure Ian. I was just I wanted to warn Candace." Which is I think that's I think that's going to be what he has to say about that. But again, Bah [laughter] Val is like, "This is going to be one and done. I'm not making another episode about this." I don't know, man. I think you're gonna have to make a few. You're going to have to make a few, which is, you know, it's all good. It's all good, man. Anyway, let's just jump into the next clip about Mitch right here. >> Trail should be exhausted before we say, "Oh, well, this ain't worth it." And I have seen far more energy put into discrediting this Fort Hachuka witness than I have for people actually looking into the claim itself. Like Candace said earlier, she actually called people at the base to verify whether or not the events occurred. Was he there at that time? Where was where did it happen at? etc. But I see all of these people, it's almost >> like it's coordinated, >> right? All of these people on the same two days come out and say, "Oh, don't listen to this guy." They apply labels. You know why we apply labels to people? That way you stop listening to them. Oh, what he says doesn't matter anymore because he's an abuser, because he's a fraud, because he's this, because he's that, right? far more effort into discrediting that witness than there has actually been into validating the information that he's been given. >> By the way, the best way to discredit him is to debunk his story. Like, it's like, so I'm like, why don't you focus on this? You can act. Do you hate Mitch? Do you hate who he is as a human being? Do you believe he's a pathological liar? How about proving that something that he told us was a pathological lie? Like, doesn't that just make sense? Like, >> zero convictions. All of the people saying that he was a fraudster, that he was an abuser, whatever. I couldn't find one record, criminal record of him being convicted. >> Yeah. >> Is that true? >> Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't find it either. It they were showing no convictions. It was he said, she said. I mean, just like full character assassination and >> one-sided divorce court that he didn't get to he didn't get to tell his piece in. And >> it was very me too. It was very me too. I'm sorry to say it. And like when grown men are doing the me too I just have no energy for it. I'm just like, "All right, guys. Like, cool. Thumbs up. like I'm glad you found like his classmates in middle school or whatever, but like could you use some of that male energy towards actually like if you think he's all these things, the best thing to do would be like help us prove that he's lying on the thing that we care about, which is the Charlie Kirk assassination, you know, and no one has thus far done that. And um he has not changed his story. Uh, so I am inclined to follow this especially because we now know that Erica and Andrew Kovat and Brian Harpole do care enough to to offer up um, you know, some harshed alibis of of sorts, >> but they didn't. >> So there you go. That is uh Candace's feeling on Mitch. That is a full breakdown in case you didn't understand where she was at. you know, she's not taking his uh his photographic memory or lack thereof. She's not taking that at 100%. But she is reacting to the reaction. And I mean, this has happened many times throughout her career. But but especially since leaving the Daily Wire, since the show has really taken off, there has always been this thing of these wild reactions happening and then she just goes deeper. I mean, it's ju it's just what happens every single time. You've seen it time after whatever saga you want to point at. Whenever somebody points at her and says lawsuit or cease and desist or wild reaction or don't look here, she just goes deeper to that. So, uh, that's where she's at when it comes to Mitch. Let me just hear what he has to say here. >> Offer up. They didn't refute being there. This is, I think, is very important point. Not one of the people, including Congressman Amadai with his statement actually directly said, "I was not in Arizona or at Fort Hachuka Watuka at this time on this day." Not not a single one of them have denied it. >> Yeah. And I did. Uh I don't know if you >> know why. It's because they want they want you to say that. They want me to say that. They want other people to say that because that is the game. The game is not let me tell you exactly what happened etc etc. Um the game is let me shape public opinion. So when you see people not saying things that they could easily say that's why because if they can just shape public opinion just a little bit and that's what they wanted to do with Gary. That's why you know Andrew sent that picture that Erica sent apparently. Um because they wanted to shape public opinion in that way. They don't want to just say it. They want you to just know that as fact in your mind. It's more powerful that way, right? It's not a if it's in your mind already, if it's in your mind, if it's in the the the common knowledge of most people who are following the case, um it becomes way harder to refute. It's much harder for people to refute something that's already in their head that they know that they know than it is to refute something that someone says. I wasn't there. Yeah, sure you weren't. But if you know it in your head, you're not going to put that same argument forward. Um or argumentative spirit, I should say. So this is where she gets into the whole Vajala thing. Vahala Gary from Paramount Tactical. This is very odd. And again, you know, just to, you know, kind of talk about what Vajala has to say. I mean, and everybody who's talking about how terrible Mitch is. I don't know if it's terrible behavior, but it's odd behavior. The guy recorded. So, here's the thing. It was either Gary or Valhalla. Somebody called Mitch being very nice and that cued in Mitch's mind to record the conversation. Okay, this is I don't know. I guess maybe he did it to Candace, too, but this guy's just recording people who talk to him. I think uh do what you got to do. It does seem kind of off to me just as a person. Somebody's like, "Hey man, what's going on?" So, I just wanted to know a few things. And you're like, "Nah, this mother n Let me just record." Huh? What is it that you want? Huh? Sorry. Yeah. Go ahead. No, it's fine. Hi. So, I just wanted to know how you were doing and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Say that a little louder. It's different if they were like being confrontational. You're like, I got to record this. This is you're getting threats or something. Someone's being nice. Anyway, you'll understand what I mean in a second. Listen to this. >> Okay, so we have him on obviously and he says both of the names and what happened thereafter is what I can only describe as like an explosion. Um, I get contacted from somebody uh who's in DC and they were very concerned and thought maybe somebody was feeding me bad information and I was kind of interested in the phone call. not going to name the person, but was basically like, you know, worried about your security and things like that. And I was like, I think we're good. Like, you know, we're just kind of vetting the story. Then on the 20th, and this is very interesting, these two YouTubers, Valhalla and Paramount Tactical, reach out to Mitch and they're being super nice to him and they're saying, or one of them said, and I don't want to mix them up, but we have the video of it because Mitch is predisposed to paranoia. Um, and he recorded them and I'm going to drop the conversations. I'm happy to drop them after this live. They're so nice to him. This is on December 20th. And like, you know, they're not questioning whether or not he was in the special forces. They're not saying anything weird. And they're actually saying to him that I may be under foreign influence. [laughter] Like, okay, these guys um are clearly not good guys or >> this has to be it has to be Gary. This doesn't sound like Vajala to me. I I could be a 100% wrong, but you're calling and you're basically playing the whole she's foreign influence. Like, hey, brother, come on. You know, this is this is foreign influence. You can't be trusting her. That that Listen. It has to be Gary. [laughter] But I don't know, man. And the thing about it is Candace is going to drop that recording soon. Uh, I think it's going to be Gary, though. I'm I'm I'm I'm 90% sure it's going to be Gary. >> Actually, the 20th is when he first told me that they had reached out to him and wanted him on his podcast. It might have been the 21st that they called him. I'll I'll clear that up. Um, but between the 20th and the 22nd is when they are suddenly calling him and they're like, "Oh, like, you know, yeah, you know, we're just concerned about Candace." Okay. Uh, yeah. and you're going to see in a couple of days he loses his mind and suddenly speaking to like exes and baby mamas like he's Jerry Springer. But that was the nature of their phone call. So I'm like, "Okay, that's weird. I don't know these guys." And then on the 22nd I get another phone call from Ian Carol. Oh, he's here. I'm going to add you Ian. Um add a speaker. I get another phone call from Ian Carol and this time Ian is like totally freaked. Like freaked as in like very concerned. Um because obviously like I have the relationship with the Ian Carol and to some degree he respects uh Valhalla and he's like look I have the sprinters in the military he has a YouTube channel and he basically runs me through and he's like basically saying that he wants to talk to me and it was kind of said to me in a way that was like if you don't kind of take this rope like and jump off of this Mitch train like what's going to come out about Mitch is going to be explosive and you're going to like go down on the ship. That's essentially the vibe that Valhalla was giving to Ian Carol and basically like kind of demanding to get on the phone with me and I was like um and then he starts talking about first he said stolen valor like he was like he was never a Green Beret. I was like he absolutely was a Green Beret. I sent that off the chain in the government like that's just not true. And it felt to me like they were clearly being quite aggressive with Ian on the phone demanding to speak to me demanding that I allow them onto my platform talking about his like ex-wives. I was like, I don't care about any of this. And I said to Ian, this seems to me like they're trying to distract me with stupid stuff. Like if he has something that is concrete that like Mitch somehow defrauded me or lied and did like definitively was not a Green Beret, then please just have him email it to me. And I said, and if he emails that to me, I will deal with it immediately. And I also made it clear to Ian that because they were like, oh, then like she could get in trouble for fraud because she raised money for this guy and he wasn't even like a Green Beret. I was like, first off, uh, he never asked me to raise money for him. So, the idea that he was doing this to defraud me for money. That came out naturally when I was live. I said I would do a give, send, go because I said people were going to start digging up things. Um, like I just had a feeling like I thought it would be other people, but I just felt like, oh, let's like raise money for him. He had a tough life, whatever. And I had had that court paperwork of what he was going through. Um, so that was natural. And not only that, but the very next day, which I will show on my show this week, he sent me Mitch sent me an email. The day after I started to give Send Go, the morning after, he sent me and Skyler an email and said, "Thank you so much for raising money, but I do not want to accept this money from you." And he was, >> man, so that sounds more like Vajala. Valhalla was pissed about the uh the money being raised and he was really serious about that. the clip that I played like everybody knows that he is very upset that any money was raised for this guy. So that sounds like him. And then the guy playing good cop that sounds like that sounds like Gary. I'm just I'm just that's just me. That's just me watching Gary operate. He used to treat me nice too. Gary he was like, "Oh man, I'm going to follow your channel. You know, we should work together sometime." He said that to me. I was like, "Wow, what a nice guy." And then he called me a s days later. I was like, "Oh, okay. All right. [laughter] That's how it goes, I guess." But whatever. But Valhalla has always been really nice to me. Just saying. Just saying. You know, I'm not sing for Valhalla here. Uh [laughter] I just got to tell you my personal experiences when I have them. You know, it it helps in terms of how I look at everything. But um but also not blind. Not blind. You know, you can be biased, but you can't be blind. It's okay to be biased. Everybody has a bias, but you can't be blind, you know, to whatever your side is or your bias or, you know, if your side is doing something wrong or the person you're biased for is doing the wrong thing or on the wrong side of things. Can't be blind to that, you know. Anyway, let's play another clip. This is where Ian uh speaks up about Vajala. He kind of uh defends him a little bit, I think. >> Um, allow Ian, did you want to jump in here? >> Um, I'd be happy to, but uh, depends on what you want to talk about. Um, I had to jump in late. I was in a different meeting when I got some text messages of like, yo, yo, get in here. >> Oh, yeah. I was just mentioning um I was giving the timeline and just telling people uh when you and I had the call um and you were kind of just trying to give me a heads up about uh you know Valhalla have wanted Valhalla I think it was Valhalla right that wanted to speak with me um about Mitch and that his backstory was stolen Valor. I wasn't sure if I got something wrong uh but I thought it was Valhalla, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean there's been a lot of people that have been trying to get a hold of you. Um I'm like a regular conduit for people trying to get a hold of you. You know how it is. >> Yeah. Exactly. But yeah, definitely there's been um it was once things started to to fire up, people were starting to talk about like what they saw as holes in Mitch's story. >> Yeah. >> And it's been very interesting to watch how that has evolved um on channels like Paramount Tactical especially. >> Yeah. And now we are It is I don't know if it's evolving or devolving. Um >> I do want to say though real quick though is that I was expecting Valhalla to go way more off the rail. like he definitely voiced his opinion when he did his episode with all of his evidence. Um he definitely came out hot and voiced his opinion, but I I actually was pleasantly surprised by how Valhalla did that in the sense that based on what he knew and the sources that he had, he condemned what he saw as what Mitch was and what Mitch's actions were. But he also didn't like I I felt I felt glad that he didn't overstep himself and kind of blow up on you too hard and try to like overextrapulate what he was showing. But I also have been watching what other people have been bringing out about Mitch since then that seemed to make me question whether what Valhalla had was the whole story. So I'm just kind of sitting back. >> And that was also another thing. I think that's a good point Ian is like people that were pretending that they were speaking to like his like baby mamas and ex his son that he hasn't spoken to since he was two by the way. So if he hasn't spoken to him since he was two, the implication is his son knows his father through his mother. That's like what happens when you don't speak to your father since you were two. But um it is interesting that they didn't do any background checks on the women [laughter] who then I saw and I didn't want to again get dragged down in the mud but like they had you know had accused a few men but they stayed away from that. It was like no no no like this is what's out there about Mitch and that's why I was saying to you like I was like this is this feels to me like a way to distract from what I basically am trying to do which is I feel like I'm the one that's actually trying to debunk Mitch like going to Brian Harpole going to Turning Point USA and saying hey like give me something I'm happy for this to be wrong. um whereas everyone else seems to just be trying to um distract. I do want to let um >> So, I mean, that's what she has to say about that. I don't know what that that recording is going to sound like. I mean, you know, like I said, um I'm hoping that it's Gary and it it sounds like