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Coach Colin Exposes Contradicting Stories From Tyler Bowyer and Andrew Kolvet About Camera Operator's Actions
Coach Colin breaks down conflicting accounts from Turning Point USA insiders Tyler Bowyer and Andrew Kolvet regarding the camera operator who removed SD cards from the crime scene immediately after Charlie Kirk's death. While Andrew Kolvet claims the operator acted because "people can be evil," Tyler Bowyer insists law enforcement ordered the immediate removal of footage. The inconsistencies raise serious questions about crime scene contamination and chain of custody. Adding to the confusion, Candace Owens reveals a disturbing phone conversation with the camera operator who still possessed the footage days later, made bizarre excuses about not being able to send files, and claimed to fear Google hacking him, despite running an entire AV company.
Conflicting Narratives From Turning Point USA Leadership
Coach Colin addresses mounting concerns about inconsistent statements from Turning Point USA representatives following Charlie Kirk's death. While Erika Kirk has maintained clear communication as CEO, other organization members continue to provide contradictory accounts of events surrounding the incident. The focus centers on the camera operator who removed SD cards from cameras at the crime scene within nine minutes of the shooting, with two different explanations emerging from Turning Point leadership.
The camera operator's actions raise immediate red flags for anyone familiar with crime scene protocols. Standard procedure dictates that nothing should be touched or moved at an active crime scene. Witnesses should secure the perimeter and prevent contamination until law enforcement arrives to collect evidence. Instead, surveillance footage shows the operator walking directly through the area where Charlie Kirk had been lying, standing on furniture near the scene, and removing SD cards from multiple cameras.
Andrew Kolvet's Explanation: Protection From Evil People
Andrew Kolvet addressed the SD card removal during an interview, attempting to dispel what he called conspiracy theories. He explained that the camera operator was a dear friend who had been with Turning Point from the beginning and loved Charlie Kirk like a brother. When asked why the operator grabbed the SD cards, Kolvet relayed the man's response: "Because I know people can be evil."
According to Kolvet's account, the operator wanted to protect the footage from being stolen by malicious individuals. He referenced videos of people stealing hats from tables after the incident as evidence of opportunistic behavior. Kolvet emphasized that the SD cards were immediately turned over to the FBI and weren't taken or hidden. He also noted the footage was recorded in 4K, seemingly suggesting this made protection more important, before pivoting to emotional rhetoric about Charlie Kirk understanding the existence of evil.
Tucker Carlson, who was conducting the interview, offered a sympathetic perspective on public skepticism. He noted that people questioning official narratives aren't necessarily bad actors—many are motivated by genuine concern and love for what Charlie Kirk represented. Carlson pointed out that widespread institutional lying has corroded public trust, making people naturally suspicious when authorities provide information. He advocated for radical honesty and transparency as the only path forward to restore faith.
Tyler Bowyer's Version: Law Enforcement Orders
In stark contrast to Andrew Kolvet's explanation, Tyler Bowyer provided completely different reasoning through social media exchanges in early October. When questioned by concerned citizens about the camera operator's actions, Boyer insisted that law enforcement specifically requested the immediate removal and turnover of SD cards. He stated this multiple times across several exchanges.
Boyer explained that the active shooter situation led to a lockdown, and police wanted the video evidence secured quickly before it could be lost in the commotion. He became increasingly defensive when people suggested the camera operator's behavior was suspicious, accusing questioners of promoting made-up theories and putting innocent people at risk. Boyer expressed concern that wild speculation could result in someone getting hurt or cause jury problems during any future legal proceedings.
In one exchange, Boyer wrote: "Law enforcement officers asked them to turn them over immediately so they didn't get lost in the commotion before they took everyone into lockdown." He repeatedly emphasized that the operator didn't tamper with anything and was simply following instructions from authorities on scene.
Why The Contradiction Matters
The conflicting explanations from two senior Turning Point USA figures about the same incident creates serious credibility problems. If law enforcement ordered the SD card collection, why would Andrew Kolvet tell a completely different story about the operator's personal motivation? If the operator acted independently because he feared evil people would steal footage, why would Tyler Bowyer claim police gave explicit orders?
These aren't minor details or matters of interpretation—they represent fundamentally different accounts of why critical evidence was handled in an unusual manner. One version presents the action as following law enforcement protocol, while the other portrays it as an individual decision based on personal judgment about protecting equipment. Both cannot be simultaneously true.
The crime scene contamination issue remains regardless of motivation. The operator walked through the exact location where Charlie Kirk had fallen, potentially compromising blood evidence, trajectory analysis, and other forensic details. He handled cameras that might have contained blood splatter or other evidence. He used furniture from the immediate crime scene area. Standard protocol would involve law enforcement photographing everything in situ, then carefully collecting entire cameras—not just SD cards—to preserve the complete chain of custody and potential physical evidence on the equipment itself.
Candace Owens Reveals Disturbing Phone Conversations
Candace Owens provided additional context that raises more questions about the camera operator's behavior. She first noticed something unusual when reviewing footage and seeing the operator lingering alongside Charlie Kirk during the event. In six years of attending college campus events, she had never seen the AV person standing next to the principal speaker. Typically, audio/video technicians work quietly in the background, wearing headphones and monitoring equipment—not positioning themselves directly beside the person they're recording.
When Owens reached out to the operator by phone, the conversation took increasingly strange turns. She initially wasn't suspicious of Turning Point USA at all and simply wanted to see the footage to help debunk internet conspiracy theories. She recorded the phone calls, finding numerous inconsistencies and apparent lies in the operator's responses.
The operator told Owens he had only spoken to Erika Kirk and federal agents about the footage. He claimed he secured it quickly to prevent Erika from having to relive the traumatic moment—an explanation Owens found nonsensical since footage from other angles showing Charlie Kirk's death had already been widely circulated. How would securing back-angle footage spare anyone's emotions when the shooting was already viewable from multiple perspectives?
The File Transfer Excuse
Perhaps most bizarrely, when Owens asked to see the footage, the operator claimed he didn't know how to send it because the file was too large. Owens immediately recognized this as an absurd excuse. The man runs an entire audio/video production company—file transfer is literally one of the most basic and essential skills in that industry. When Owens suggested using WeTransfer, a standard file-sharing service, the operator then claimed he was afraid to send the footage over the internet because Google might hack him.
This explanation struck Owens as particularly suspicious and nonsensical. Even if Google somehow intercepted the footage and released it publicly, the result would simply be another angle of an event already documented from multiple perspectives. The operator's stated fear made no logical sense for someone in his profession who regularly transfers video files.
The operator also told Owens that ownership of the footage belonged to him and his company, contradicting his earlier statement about needing to consult with Turning Point lawyers before releasing it. The constantly shifting explanations suggested someone trying to avoid sharing the footage rather than someone genuinely concerned about proper protocols.
New Security Procedures Introduced That Day
Adding another layer of strangeness, the camera operator told Owens about previously unmentioned security procedures. He claimed he was on the phone with "ops" back in Arizona who were watching the event remotely—something Owens had never encountered in her extensive experience with Turning Point college campus events. The operator stated this was the first time they had implemented this procedure.
According to the operator's explanation, two people in Arizona were watching the live stream with the purpose of cutting clips in real-time to get content online faster than anyone else. He attributed this to Charlie Kirk's ambition and desire not to waste a single second in distributing content. While Charlie Kirk was certainly driven and ambitious, the sudden implementation of a remote monitoring team at this particular event raised questions about why this specific occasion warranted unprecedented security and content management procedures.
Video Evidence Contradicts Police Order Claims
Candace Owens also revealed that the camera operator sent her video footage—apparently unprompted—that appears to serve as some kind of alibi. Owens wasn't sure what the operator thought this footage would prove, but it provided a complete timeline of his actions in the four minutes between the shooting and when he removed the cameras. This footage directly contradicts Tyler Bowyer's claims that police ordered the SD card removal.
The video shows the operator filming the immediate aftermath, repeatedly saying "they shot Charlie" while looking around the scene. At one point, he pronounces Charlie Kirk deceased before medical personnel or anyone else with authority could have made such a determination. The footage demonstrates someone moving freely through the scene, handling recording equipment, and making decisions independently—not someone following law enforcement instructions.
Chain Of Custody Concerns
Perhaps most troubling from an evidentiary standpoint, the camera operator retained possession of the footage for an extended period. Days after the incident, when Candace Owens contacted him, he still had the SD cards and footage. This creates an enormous chain of custody problem. During that time, the operator could have edited files, removed segments, or altered the footage in numerous ways without anyone knowing.
Modern cameras often record in multiple file segments rather than single continuous files. Someone with technical knowledge could extract specific portions, edit them, re-export the files, and place them back on SD cards with minimal trace. Even without malicious intent, the extended possession by a non-law-enforcement individual compromises the evidentiary value of the footage. Proper procedure requires immediate transfer to authorities who document every person who handles evidence and every action taken with it.
A Pattern Of Inconsistency
Coach Colin points out that this situation represents part of a larger pattern of contradictory statements from Turning Point USA representatives. Previous incidents include a pastor making untrue statements and Andrew Kolvet initially not acknowledging text messages were authentic until Candace Owens released them, at which point he confirmed their legitimacy. Each time organization representatives address concerns, new inconsistencies emerge rather than clarity.
The community wants to rally behind Turning Point USA and see the organization rise to Charlie Kirk's legacy. People want to believe in the mission and support those carrying it forward. However, the continuing pattern of contradictory statements, unexplained behaviors, and resistance to transparency makes that increasingly difficult. When two senior figures provide completely different explanations for the same event, it suggests either coordination problems, deliberate misdirection, or a lack of truthfulness from at least one party.
The Broader Context
Tucker Carlson's observation during the Andrew Kolvet interview remains relevant: institutional dishonesty has created an environment where people naturally distrust official explanations. This isn't the fault of concerned citizens asking questions—they're responding rationally to a documented history of authorities and organizations lying about significant events. The only solution is radical transparency and honesty, particularly self-honesty about mistakes and shortcomings.
The camera operator's strange behavior, extended possession of evidence, implausible excuses about technical capabilities, and bizarre security concerns about Google create a picture of someone who appears guilty of something—though what remains unclear. Combined with the contradictory explanations from Andrew Kolvet and Tyler Bowyer, the situation demands clearer answers and consistent narratives. Until Turning Point USA leadership can provide a unified, coherent, and verifiable account of what happened and why, questions and concerns will only multiply.
Video Transcript
Let's get into it. Coach Colin here.
What's going on, guys? Man,
every time these guys talk, it just gets
weirder and weirder, there's always
crosswires, things don't add up. I mean,
pretty much every time someone from
Turning Point has addressed something,
except for Erica. Erica is the only one
right now since she's a CEO now.
Everybody else when they address
something just makes things weirder and
weirder. Now what am I talking about
today? Today I'm talking about Tyler Bo
Bowie Boer. Tyler Bower and Andrew
Kvette. Now two different people, two
different stories talking about the same
situation. Don't know why that keeps
happening but it continues to happen. Uh
first we have first we have the pastor
saying all sorts of things that are just
not true. Then we have Andrew saying,
you know, uh not really acknowledging
that the text messages were real. Then
when Candace actually releases them,
then he admits that they're real. Uh we
It's just Let's get into it, man. You
know the camera guy? The camera guy that
was taking the footage from the cameras
just as the crime scene was still fresh
at a time where you know as a regular
person everybody every regular person
who is guilty of nothing knows that when
you see a crime scene you can't touch
it. You can't you can't touch it. And if
you are around before the police show
up, you make sure nobody touches it.
This guy, he didn't know this or
or something else more nefarious. But uh
let's check him out first. Then I'm
going to show you what Tyler said. Or
first I'm going to show you what Andrew
said. Then I'm gonna show you what Tyler
said about this gentleman, his behavior.
Then I'm gonna show you a weird story
between him and Candace. is Candace
tells us something that's very odd and
I'm sorry it paints this guy as guilty
of something. I don't know what I can't
say. I'll say allegedly, but he again
again every like every situation within
this case just so weird. Let's jump into
this. Not sure.
>> Yeah.
>> So, this is just nine minutes after.
I'll turn the volume off here. 9 minutes
after we're seeing this gentleman.
You're seeing him right here. Right
there. Let me slow it down a little bit.
Let's slow it down. Going to slow it
down to about 25% speed just so you guys
can really see what's going on. So, this
is him right there. This is the camera.
No one knows who this camera operator
was, but this is a camera. So, he
shouldn't be here. He shouldn't be
standing here. You know what I mean?
Like, this is your concern. There's
blood here. His concern is this. He
knows he shouldn't be touching it. These
guys shouldn't These guys should just be
securing the perimeter, making sure
nothing happens. That's it. But instead,
he jumps in. He's going into the camera
right now, and he's taking the footage.
very very uh odd behavior. And when I
say odd, I'm being so charitable. There
he is again. You can see him. He is
going into that camera. He's making sure
to get that footage right away. Now, you
know, forensic police,
this is the type of thing that they
would do. They wouldn't even The police
wouldn't even want the SD cards. The
police would be like, "Oh, we're just
going to take the whole camera."
Yeah, because we have to we have to wipe
it. There's all sorts of things we have
to do. So, we're just going to take the
They would take that whole scene. They
would be like, "This is the tent. Oh, I
guess we're just gathering everything
up. That's it." They wouldn't be like,
"Give us the SD cards. Keep your
cameras." No, there could be blood
splatter on the camera. And that could
give them a certain uh uh uh uh detail
about the trajectory of the bullet.
They're not going to, you know what I
mean? Again, everything's just weird
about this. Now, let's move on to the
next clip of this gentleman. Uh, again,
trying to be charitable when I call him
that.
Here, we'll turn this volume off again.
You see him here just very nervous. I I
could say, hey, understandably nervous.
He just saw something absolutely
terrifying.
I'm not sure who that is. Is that Mikey?
Oh, I think I'm not 100% sure, but this
is the guy here. So, he's right there.
Boom.
Now we're seeing someone else there. I
want to see if this post tells me about
who that is.
No. No. Who did the SD card? No. Yeah,
it doesn't say who that guy is, but this
is definitely the guy here taking SD
cards just contaminating everything. I
mean, this is exactly where they
stepped. This is exactly where Charlie
fell. I mean, this is just, you know,
he's just rooting around in everything,
right? So, now let's hear what what
Andrew has to say about why this guy was
doing that. Okay? And I want you to
remember I want you to remember what
Andrew is saying as he says this because
then I'm going to take you over to what
Tyler is saying. By the way, just one
other conspiracy theory I just want to
snuff out here. One of our dear friends
that literally from the very beginning
started with us and loved Charlie like a
brother. He grabbed the SD cards out of
the camera afterwards. And there's all
these conspiracy v videos about like why
did he grab the SD cards? Well, first of
all, they're in the possession of the
FBI. Okay, it's not like he took them
and like ran off with them. Second of
all, I asked him personally. I said,
"Why did you do that?" And he looked at
me and this was his answer. He said,
"Because I know people can be evil."
And he did not want that footage being
grabbed by somebody. There was videos of
people after the incident going and
stealing hats off the table. I mean, so
I'm so grateful he did that and that
that was his instinct. He's like, I'm
depressed to know that that was why I
did that, but I knew that I had to
protect that footage because I know I
wanted I mean, you know, you're
recording in like 4K, you know, and so
I'm so glad he did that. But Charlie
knew the existence of evil.
>> Just just to say I have to go back cuz
you really have to listen to people when
they talk. Listen to what he says about
this. Let me just hear that again.
>> Being grabbed by somebody. There was
videos of people after the incident
going and stealing hats off the table. I
mean, so I'm so grateful he did that and
that that was his instinct. He's like,
I'm depressed to know that that was why
I did that, but I knew that I had to
protect that footage because I know I
wanted I mean, you know, you're
recording in like 4K, you know, and so
I'm so glad he did that. But Charlie
knew the existence of evil.
>> See that? That's such he's he's you know
you know you know he's recording in 4K
right I mean what what do you mean what
does that mean
like people would have saw it in 4K
people saw Listen the first day it
happened people saw it clear as day you
know whether it's 4K or it's 360p
it's still heartbreaking to see so to
say you know it's in 4K and then he
takes this and he says you know in
Charlie knew the existence of evil. I
really don't like when people do that.
I'm seeing that a lot. I've se I've been
seeing it for years. People will try to
take the emotional part of a situation
and make that the focus, right? So, what
he's saying basically doesn't mean any
make any sense, right? Uh people could
be evil. And listen, if that's what the
guy said to him, maybe that guy's lying.
I don't know. I have no idea. I don't
know the guy, right? But he does say
some weird stuff to Candace. Please keep
watching for that. That's going to come
near the end. But uh you know, maybe the
guy lied to him. I don't know cuz it
doesn't really make much sense. I I just
know people could be evil. That's a
crime scene, man. That would be my next
follow-up if I was Andrew. But that's a
crime scene, man. You can't do that.
That could jeopardize whether or not we
figure it out. You can't do that, man.
You don't know. You don't know. Why are
you doing that? He had to walk where
Charlie was laying. You can't do that in
a crime scene. You know what I mean,
though? Like, he's getting up and taking
the camera. That's He's taking that
down. That's exactly where Charlie was.
What chair is he using? Is he using a
chair that was right beside Charlie?
Does that chair have blood on it? What
are you doing?
Anyway, Anyway, I like that Tucker
pushes back a little bit on this. Well,
can I say I think that people can feel
the existence of evil and that just to
>> put in a sympathetic word for people who
are trying to make sense of this and
coming to the wrong conclusions. I think
they're motivated for the most part by
pure intent. I think they don't trust
the authorities. They have every reason
to feel that way. I know that for a
fact. Not the Trump administration in
general. Like
>> we're not, you know, there's been a lot
of lying and it's corroded the trust.
That's not their fault. Actually,
they're the victims of it.
>> Good point. Thank you for saying that.
Um, they're of course bad actors who are
doing it for clicks or whatever, but I I
guess but there are far more people who
love Charlie. They loved what he stood
for. They feel like he was murdered by
evil. They're absolutely right. They're
not sure what variety of evil. There's
no authoritative person to tell them.
So, I guess I'm just not surprised at
all. This is a message I've told to a
lot of people.
This is what happens when you lie too
much and you hide too much. And going
forward, I just want everybody with
power to be honest in the way that
Charlie was honest about themselves.
That will do more than anything to fix
this, to make people love each other and
hear each other. And if people are
honest, it we got here because of lying.
And the only antidote is truth. And so a
truth about yourself, not about other
people. Stop talking about other people.
Admit who you are. And once you do that,
people can feel that and they
immediately, as they did with Charlie,
they respond to it. They're like, "I
believe you because you're honest about
you." It's not like he took them and
like ran off with them. Second of all, I
asked him personally. I said, "Why did
you do that?" And he looked at me and
this was his answer. He said, "Because I
know people can be evil."
>> Okay. So, that's why that gentleman did
that. That's why he took the SD cards.
It's why he got on the chair, took the
camera down, took the SD card out of
there. um that could have had blood on
it. I mean, just completely just
literally walked up and down and and
inside a crime scene just all the way
around. There was a guy like did he get
blood on his shoes? Like, what are you
do? Again, again, I'm just shocked. It's
like, what are you doing? Think about
what you're doing at at a little bit.
But remember what Andrew said because
people can be evil, right?
So, somebody pulled up screenshots of
Tyler saying the police told them to
remove the SD cards in the footage as
Candace me uh mentioned in her video.
So, let's check out these uh screenshots
here. Now, this is somebody This was
surprising to me and I do commend Tyler
for this that these accounts that Tyler
doesn't really know and they're not huge
accounts. They're questioning him and
Turning Point and he's actually
responding. This is uh October 2nd. Uh
Andrew said what he said on September
19th, right? So Tyler uh basically uh
they said there's nothing harmful in
asking reasonable questions, trying to
manipulate people into thinking there
is. It's called gaslighting. Uh makes
you look sus. They're innocent. Why not
come forward and explain their actions?
We only want answers. He goes, "I I was
I responded to you accusing an innocent
guy of somehow being involved because he
was ordered by police to hand over
evidence. You continue to suggest this
wasn't true. Then ask Grock, who told
you it was perfectly true." That is the
ga the definition of gaslighting. And
then somebody said, "Uh, ordered to hand
over evidence that was removed from the
crime scene. Why didn't Turning Point
secure the scene and wait for the police
to come and gather the SD cards
themselves? The crime scene was tampered
with. That is an issue in the chain of
custody. Then someone said active or
Tyler said active shooter situation
leads to lockdown. The police asked for
it. These are really basic things. Now
again, this is not a basic thing. You
don't do that when it comes to a crime
scene. You do exactly what that person's
saying. you uh you lock things down.
Now, Tyler came forward. Tyler's getting
really caught up in the comments. You
can get really caught up in the comments
sometimes. He got really into it. Now,
this is October 6th. He said, uh, to the
issue you brought up here. I have said
many times law enforcement wanted the
videos as quick as possible. It was
turned over to them, speculating that
the kid who did that, this guy is maybe
he's a kid. I mean, you guys have seen
the video of the guy, right? I'm pretty
sure he's in his 30s. Uh, the kid who
did that is somehow involved or sketchy
is wrong. That's why I've said
something. It's uh publicly visible and
so off the beaten path of being a real
issue in the passing of Charlie Kirk.
While at the same time, people started
to create all sorts of bad theories
about him. So sad, so wrong. But the
details in this investigation aren't
going to begin to be discussed until law
enforcement does their job. Now, that's
very that's very true. My concern is
that wild theories will get somebody
hurt who is innocent or cause
significant jury problems later on. That
is what Tyler is worried about. But
again, again, and there's another
screenshot here. Boom. Somebody uh
somebody said he tampered. Uh Tyler says
dude didn't tamper with anything. Law
enforcement asked law oh sorry law
enforcement officers asked them to turn
over uh asked them to turn them over
immediately. By them I'm assuming he
means the footage immediately so they
didn't get lost in the commotion before
they took everyone into lockdown. My
message is directly pointed at people
like you who are promoting completely
madeup theories and therefore putting
targets on these guys. Knock it off.
That's Tyler. He's saying, "Knock it
off. Just knock it off." But Andrew said
he did it because people could be evil.
You see what I mean there? Two different
stories. Two different guy. Two
different guys, same company, one
situation, two different stories. And it
just keeps on happening like that with
these guys. And I said it in the video
before, everybody would rather rally
around these guys and have them all all
of a sudden step up to Charlie Kirk
level and handle business and just just
take the world by storm. That's what
people really want to see with Turning
Point and go, "Wow, Turning Point is is
more than it's ever been because Charlie
has passed. He did not pass in vain. He
passed for this reason, for this this
this movement to just take the entire
nation by the entire world by storm.
That's what people want to do. They want
to r people want to rally around these
guys. They want to see them be honest,
truthful, noble, and they want to rally
around these guys. They're just being so
odd. So Andrew says, "It's cuz people
could be evil. That's why it happened."
Tyler says, "What do you mean? The law
enforcement wanted these SD cards as
quick as possible. It's not true. It's
just not true. Now, this guy, like
Andrew said, he ended up turning over
the footage to the authorities, but he
tampered with a crime scene before he
did that. Allegedly. I'll say allegedly.
You know,
first of all, they're in the possession
of the FBI. Okay? It's not like he took
them and like ran off with them. Second
of when you do something like that, and
that's why this is such a problem.
That's why you you don't do this with a
crime scene.
He could have done anything. He took the
footage and had the footage. Now, let's
say he gave it over within a day. Let's
say it only took half a day. Let's say
it took an hour. Within that time, he
could have done something. The proper
chain for the authorities is for
something to happen and everything to
stay as it was. everything and then they
come. That's it. It's not, well, I
moved. Imagine you get to a crime scene.
Well, I moved this and I moved that and
I took that chair that was near Charlie
and I put it there and I stood on it and
I put it right where Charlie was. Uh
yeah, I put it directly there and I
stood up here and I grabbed this and
then I moved over here and then I paced
around here and I walked through the
crime scene and then I did a few jumping
jacks and then I did a sit up and then
honestly I just started spreading my DNA
everywhere. So I don't really know. I
hope that's not a problem. My friend
came by too. He spread his DNA
everywhere. I mean it's just it's
everywhere. So hope that's not an issue.
We're going to get going now. Bye.
Also, I took these cameras. I moved six
cameras. Is that okay? Oh, I don't know
where they were before that. I just
moved them. You just ruined everything.
You know what I mean? You ruin
everything when you do that. So, I I
don't get why it's uh I don't get why
that happened. Um you know, someone
posted that. I ended up saying the
police didn't ask him to do that. You
know, I basically I'm just I'm bas This
tweet is just basically what I was
saying because that person who posted
those screenshots, I was like, "This
doesn't make sense." You know, I thought
this person was defending Tyler. I was
like, "Here's some screenshots." And I'm
like, "That doesn't make any sense." You
know, I thought they were going at
Candace. So, I I stepped in right away
and I was like, you know, the police
didn't do that. Andrew was actually very
clear. The guy did it because, you know,
people can't be evil, etc., etc. And
then that guy asked me, he asked me, I
didn't say it. Said, "Why is both why is
Tyler lying?" I said, "Him and Andrew
work very close together." So, I don't
know why Andrew would say one thing and
Tyler would say something different.
Weird. It is. It's very weird. Now,
let's get into Candace and what Candace
says about this guy. This guy who was
removing the footage because their
interaction was very, very weird. Listen
to this.
>> And Charlie Kirk and me. So, I knew that
things were weird when I saw the first
and foremost the camera guy, the one who
takes down the camera, seeing him
lingering alongside Charlie at the
event, flagged me as weird immediately.
Okay, that's that's why I reached out
when people saw him taking down the
camera. I said, "What is this? Why are
you here?" Literally, why are you
standing at I've never at any college
event ever in six years had
>> I have to say again, look at where he
is. This is this guy. This guy here and
this guy, they are both exactly where
Charlie was laying. Why are you doing
that? Even if you need that camera, even
if you think the SD card, Even if it's
true that the police were like, "Hey,
hey buddy, you're not an officer, but
today you're a deputy officer. We're
deputizing you. Go get the SD cards."
Even if they did that, you can't be
exactly where he was. You're messing
things up.
>> That man standing next to me at an
event. Okay, sometimes he wasn't even
there. Other times, of course, when you
are in AV, your job is to be somewhere
quiet. Your job is to have on like
headphones to make sure the audio is
good. Maybe uh the idea that they're
mking, the person running a company is
mking you up is completely absurd. I
didn't like it. It felt new to me. And
you know what? When I called him, things
got pretty weird. He acknowledged that a
lot of new stuff was happening on that
day. And I inquired to him immediately
uh about the subtle changes that I
recognized. And the thing that struck me
as wrong was that he lied to me. I don't
know why he was lying to me. Uh, but a
lot of the things that he said didn't
make sense. And I'm going to speak more
thoroughly about what it was that he
said because obviously I recorded the
phone call. I of course asked him why he
took down the cameras so quickly. I
asked him to first and foremost simply
show me the footage because that's all I
wanted to do. I'm thinking again, we're
all going to get the band back together
and solve this murder. And he got weird.
It got really weird. I said, "I just
want to like see the footage so I can
debunk. I know that you don't want to
put more footage out there. That that's
fine, but like just show me the footage
so I can debunk these all these internet
conspiracies that you were hiding
something." I was not suspicious of
Turning Point at all. Actually, when I
called and I asked him again like,
"What's the reason? What's the reason
for taking down the cameras quickly? Why
hasn't the footage been released? Let me
see it." And he told me that a he had
spoken only to uh Erica and the feds
that he had regarding the footage. that
is he specifically told me that as I
said earlier that he had secured that
foot footage because he wanted to
prevent Erica as I told you from having
to relive that moment and that made
entirely no sense to me. I told you guys
because uh we all can watch Charlie Kirk
be murdered over and over and over and
over and over again. So how are you
sparing any emotions here by taking down
the back footage? So, she's 100% right
there, but also with what she's saying
actually just um made me realize. So, I
said it could be a day, it could be
however long. So, Candace contacts this
guy. He still has the footage. You see
what I mean? That's why it's such an
issue. He still had the footage.
What was he doing with the footage? You
don't You have no idea what he could
have done. I'm not saying he did
anything. I'm just saying that's why you
don't touch things at a crime scene
because now you have this footage for x
amount of time.
What did he do with it? That's me being
charitable. Now you know tinfoil speedo
AI doctoring taking things out this this
fi like when you have a when you have a
camera it sometimes depending on what
you have set up it doesn't just record
one file and like here's your file
that's this long sometimes it'll break
it up
or maybe it will have one file you can
take that one file you can cut out a
certain part you can export that file
you can put it back on the SD card and
no one would know. How would they know
anyway?
And then it made even less sense to me
and appeared to me as a lie once I saw
the footage on FaceTime when I realized
that there was no blood on Charlie. So
it was the it was the least traumatizing
footage of all. Why be so secretive
about it? He then told me that he needed
to speak with Turning Point lawyers
first to see about releasing the
footage. I said, "Okay, fine." I let him
take a couple days off and then we got
back on the phone and I said, "Look,
that's kind of a BS excuse too because
you run your own company and the footage
is owned by you." He then said, "Okay,
yeah, I do own the footage. I just
wanted to, you know, just coordinate,
check, whatever." Okay. Kind of a lie.
>> Again, he's she said, "I took a couple
days off." So, we're talking about this
guy had the footage for maybe a week.
I number twoish.
Then he said something
that really bothered me. He said, "I
don't know how to send the footage."
Like the file was too large. Oh. Oh, I
was born yesterday. So, you run an
entire AV company and you don't know how
to send footage. That didn't smell right
to me.
It got even more bizarre. He told me,
and this is when I was extremely
uncomfortable. He said after I offered
you can just use Wii transfer, he said,
"I don't want to just send the footage
over the internet uh that's behind
Charlie's head because I'm worried that
Google might hack me."
I swear on everything I love. That's
what he told me. He was afraid that
Google was going to hack him.
So, at this moment, I got a little bit
uh I looked at my team and I started
snapping across the table and I was like
I I said to them literally guilty of
something. I don't know. This is weird.
What a stupid lie. I mean, what do you
mean? So, I said to him, I said, "Let's
just pretend that that does happen." For
whatever reason, Sergy Brenn is sitting
around. He's going, I want to hack this
person cuz I want to see footage behind
Charlie's head. Does it? Whatever. And
then he gives the footage to
Fox News, CNN, and they play it. And
what happens after that? I said to him,
"Oh, I know what happens after." We all
get to see Charlie Kirk die from a
different angle. We've seen it die from
a thousand different angles. Like, what
what is actually changing if Google
hacks you? Weird. A weird thing to say.
I also asked him who he was on the phone
with after Charlie got shot. and he told
me, and I kid you not, he was on the
phone with the ops that were back in
Arizona watching.
And I said, "What ops? We don't have
people back in Arizona watching when we
do college campus events. Is that
something new?" He said, "Yes, it is
new." In fact, this was the first time
we were doing it. He said there were two
people, two ops that were watching it
back in Arizona. And he told me that the
reason that they were doing it was
because, you know, Candace, he said
Charlie, uh, he was so ambitious and it
wasn't fast enough that it was all being
live streamed. He wanted people to live
cut the clips so that they could be the
first people to get it on the internet.
He didn't want he like not even a second
to be wasted.
So live streaming which everybody can
watch, but they were racing some people
to get the clips out faster than anybody
else because Charlie's ambitious. Now I
got a little suspicious and sensing he
could sense that I was now growing
increasingly suspicious with every
random thing that he was saying. Uh he
sent me a video that I didn't ask for. I
wanted to see the footage. He then sends
me a video and I guess this was supposed
to work as some sort of an alibi. I
don't know if he thought that I thought
that he shot Charlie. I certainly did
not think that he was involved in uh
pulling a trigger and killing Charlie
Kirk. I don't I actually don't know why
this video I don't know what this video
could have done that he sent me other
than to make me feel even more
uncomfortable
because the video he sent me is quite
shocking. It's also the reason that I
knew that Tyler Boyer was lying when he
tweeted that in this guy was commanded
by the police to take down the cameras.
He's lying because I have every minute
of what this guy was doing thanks to him
having sent it to me. Okay. every minute
of what he was doing before he took
those cameras down. And there are only
four minutes, by the way, before he
takes those cameras down. So, he's next
to and he is in front of Mikey McCoy
when Charlie gets shot. Now, to his
credit, he actually did see Charlie get
shot. Um, he saw like a split.
>> So, I know I've already shown you guys
this video. I'm sure you've already seen
Candace bring up this video. It is just
him filming what happened to Charlie as
he keeps saying that they shot Charlie.
Uh so he's just
he's l just looking around. He's saying
they shot him. They shot him. Uh, I know
I've played this before, so there's a
little overlap for people who are tuning
in every day, but you know, and then he
pronounces Charlie deceased
before anybody else could, right? I
mean, he couldn't even see anything. He
doesn't know, but he that's what he did.
[clears throat]
So, just very weird all around. I mean,
and even more so, just Candace's
interaction with him is just so odd to
be like, "Okay, show me the footage."
And then the guy who runs an AV company,
I've ran an AV company. Let me tell you
something. There's one thing we know how
to do. It's send footage. Because when
you run the company, you don't want to
do the things
straight up. You don't want to do the
editing. You don't want to do the color
grading. You don't want to do any of
that stuff. So, the one thing you know
how to do better than anybody is send
footage. That is that is when you are in
audio and video. I'm a like I'm my
original thing is a self-taught
videographer, self-taught audio
engineer. That's what I that's my first
thing that I learned how to do. Um
the first thing you learn is how to send
footage because the people you work with
have to send you footage. You have to
send it back. Like this is the thing
that you learn your first year better
than anything is how to send and receive
footage. So, just just doesn't make any
sense. And the fact that he actually
said that to Candace, I just don't know
how. I don't know how to send it. The
file's really big. Okay, use we
transfer. Candace brought it. Candace
knows how to do this. I I use we
transfer every day.
Just ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
But again, you know, going back to
Andrew and Tyler, two different stories,
two different guys, one situation. And
then when it comes to that guy they were
talking about, he just seems a off. You
know, he already seemed a little
skittish, but again, understandable
after you see that happen to somebody.
Very understandable for you to, you
know, seem like a little on edge, head
on the swivel, of course. But to hear
that interaction with Candace days after
and then even more days after that, I
don't know, man.
Every single instance you hear with
these guys is just weirder and weirder.
You know, I just wanted to bring you
that really quickly. That's it. I'm Let
me know what you guys think. Let me know
what you think about that. You think you
think this guy is
I don't even know what to say. I don't
want to get it. I don't want to accuse
of anything, but again, it's just so
weird. And then on top of that, he had
the footage for days and days and days.
He didn't even go and say, "Here's the
footage." And if he did, and then he had
a copy of it, what is that? It's just
the whole thing.
I'm out of here, guys. I'm out of here.