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Candace Owens on Victimhood Culture, Big Tech Power, and the Future of Black America
Candace Owens sits down with Jan Jekielek on American Thought Leaders to discuss what determines success in America, whether corporations like Google have too much power, and the biggest issues facing black Americans today. Owens explores how emotional manipulation and victim mentality shape political strategy, the breakdown of the family, and why she believes systemic racism isn't what the left claims it to be. From growing up in low-income housing in Connecticut to becoming one of the most prominent black conservative voices, Owens shares her journey and why she founded the Blexit movement to inspire what she calls an ideological civil war in the black community.
Big Tech Monopolies and Election Interference
Candace Owens has been on record for over a year stating that Google needs to be broken up, having become a monopoly by every standard. She views their power as a form of election meddling, pointing to a Project Veritas undercover video that was taken down from YouTube. According to Owens, when she announced she was a black conservative, searching her name on Google immediately surfaced negative content from networks like CNN, while her more significant achievements were buried in search results.
Owens believes these tech companies are acting as publishers rather than neutral platforms, and conservatives need to start taking legal action. She advocates for the creation of a legal fund for conservatives to hold these companies accountable through the courts and demand more transparency. In her view, these companies are actively banning and suppressing conservative opinions while ensuring left-leaning content dominates search results.
The Me Too Movement and Emotional Manipulation
When discussing the rape accusations against President Trump by E. Jean Carroll and the infamous Anderson Cooper interview, Owens sees it as part of a larger pattern of what she calls radical feminism. She was one of the first to condemn the Me Too movement, despite being criticized by both conservatives and liberals. Owens argues that the left strategically dives into topics that make rational debate uncomfortable, using subjects like sexual assault to silence opposition.
She views these tactics as fundamentally about gaining power rather than addressing genuine issues. Owens points to the Brett Kavanaugh hearings as evidence that the movement was weaponized for political purposes. She believes the left is telling women that everything is rape, that they should be believed without question, and that objective data and facts no longer matter—only emotions and feelings.
The Victim Mentality Destroying Black America
Owens is passionate about what she sees as the intentional sale of a victim mentality to black Americans by the Democratic Party. She references Malcolm X's statement that liberals pretend to be your friend, arguing that Democrats have no interest in actually improving conditions in black communities because they rely on those struggles for votes every four years.
According to Owens, if problems in black communities were actually solved, Democrats would have to campaign on policies that make sense rather than emotional manipulation around racism. She points out that over the last 60 years, liberal policies have destroyed black communities while keeping the conversation focused on racism as an insurmountable barrier.
From Low-Income Housing to Conservative Spokesperson
Owens shares that her childhood story is rarely told because it humanizes her and demonstrates that her views come from lived experience. She grew up sharing a bedroom in a tiny apartment in low-income housing on Throggs Neck Boulevard in Connecticut, where exterminators had to come regularly to deal with roaches. She had no wealthy parents to support her and took out $150,000 in student loans that she paid back entirely on her own.
She slept on friends' couches while believing in herself and working harder than everyone around her. Instead of partying, she spent every second learning and trying to add value to companies. Owens credits conservative principles—seeing herself as a victor rather than a victim—for her success. She contrasts this with Asian Americans, particularly Japanese Americans who were in internment camps but are now the most successful demographic in America, noting there is no "Japanese Lives Matter" movement because they kept their heads down, worked hard, kept families together, and maintained good values.
The Larry Elder Awakening
Owens explains that she was already living her life conservatively but had been brainwashed through the public school system to believe she had to be a Democrat and a liberal. When Trump began his candidacy, she started paying attention to politics and watched him be smeared and labeled as racist. Having spent seven years living and working in New York, she knew everyone had loved Trump—he was celebrated in hip-hop music and by the media.
She couldn't believe someone could become all the terrible things they were calling him overnight when he had been celebrated for so long. This led her to explore liberal versus conservative arguments, and she stumbled upon Larry Elder's interview with Dave Rubin. She loved the video for two reasons: Larry Elder brilliantly dismantled Dave Rubin's arguments, and Dave Rubin was humble enough to listen, publish it, and admit he was seeing things wrong.
Owens admits it took tremendous humility to acknowledge that everything she had thought before was wrong—that Republicans weren't racist, weren't keeping her back, and that she had been intentionally miseducated. She credits Larry Elder, Dr. Thomas Sowell, and Dr. Ben Carson for helping her understand the truth.
Systemic Racism: A Self-Fulfilling Prophecy
When asked about systemic or institutionalized racism, Owens states it doesn't exist in the way people think. However, she argues it does exist if you go to the government for solutions. Welfare programs systemically keep people below the poverty line by incentivizing bad behavior—the more children you have out of wedlock, the more money you receive, and if you don't marry the father, you get even more money.
Owens emphasizes that this isn't even about racism since white people can be on welfare too. As a black woman, she insists there is nothing she cannot do that a white man can do—it's all about choices. She agrees with Larry Elder that the biggest issue facing black America is the breakdown of the family, supported by every metric. In the 1960s, 23 percent of black Americans grew up in single-parent homes, which was considered a crisis. Today, it's 74 percent.
She references Barack Obama's speech about the implications of growing up without a father—being nine times more likely to end up behind bars and six times more likely to lead a life of crime. Where black Americans grow up in single-parent homes, suffering follows.
The Socialist Bribery Competition
Owens finds the Democratic presidential candidates' policy proposals hilarious rather than frightening. She jokes about creating a show called "Whose Bribe Is It Anyway" to discuss all the bribes the left is offering. Bernie Sanders will pay off student loans, Elizabeth Warren will give money because you're black, and Joe Biden will cure cancer—they're outdoing each other in bribes.
She believes this shows the left thinks the majority of Americans are irredeemably stupid and emotional rather than rational. While student loan forgiveness sounds great, Owens argues people aren't thinking about the implications of trillions of dollars and where it comes from. She points out the irony of Bernie Sanders being a millionaire champion of socialism who clearly benefited from capitalism but tries to sell socialism to people he believes are dumber than him.
Silicon Valley's Guilt-Driven Socialism
When discussing why affluent Silicon Valley supports more government control policies, Owens identifies two types of socialists. From her personal conversation with Jack Dorsey, she doesn't see him as a villain but rather as a reserved techie who perhaps experiences guilt over his wealth. It's easy for people to say the wealthy should give money away without thinking about larger implications.
She finds Google's position particularly contradictory—they're trying to help people who want more government while keeping their freedom to manipulate search results, which more government would shut down. She believes they're shooting themselves in the foot.
Short-Term Thinking and Long-Term Consequences
Owens sees the Democratic Party as trapped in short-term thinking, trying to achieve a figurative assassination of President Trump by any means necessary. They're slandering him, making his life hell daily, but not realizing the long-term implications. Once you open that window, you can't close it.
In six years, if there's a Democratic politician in office, it will be acceptable for women to make false sexual assault claims and for people to have no respect for the highest office. When Keith Ellison faced sexual assault claims, Democrats didn't want to touch it because they created rules they now have to play by.
Owens uses herself as another example—Democrats created the rules that you can't say anything negative to a black woman because they're at the top of the progressive stack in victimhood. Now they don't know how to handle her because they created those rules. She's happy to take all the bullets because it always has the opposite effect—it wakes people up. After Ted Lieu's hearing, she was flooded with emails from black Americans apologizing for having her wrong after watching her actual testimony.
The Nucleus of Victimhood
Owens explains that Democrats built their entire strategy around victimhood as the nucleus, from which they can build anything. The Me Too movement is victimhood, reparations are victimhood, and now the trans movement is becoming prominent even though less than one percent of people have gender dysphoria. They constantly look for their next victims—illegal immigrants are just trying to get into a better country.
If you destroy the victim mentality, you collapse the entire Democratic Party. If people realize what Democrats are doing, it forces them to come to the table with actual policies that make things better for everyone regardless of identity. Unfortunately, the left doesn't have good policies—they just want power.
The Birth of the Radical Left
Owens argues that today's Democratic Party is completely different from the JFK era. While they've become extremists, she points out that moderates like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer gave birth to this extremism within their own party. They're not true extremists but pretended to be in order to combat Trump, saying extreme things to get power back by any means necessary.
This gave birth to AOC, Rashida Tlaib, and Ilhan Omar—people who actually want socialism and radical concepts in America. Now the moderate Democrats have to live with what they created because they made it okay by saying things they didn't believe just to take down Trump. This has created what Owens calls "liberal refugees"—more moderate Democrats who don't recognize their party anymore and are asking what happened to proposing open borders and turning America into Venezuela.
Owens has met these liberal refugees who say they're not with Trump but are really against where the Democratic Party has gone. She predicts Trump will win 2020 by very large margins.
The Trump-Forced Awakening
Owens credits President Trump with forcing a mass awakening about propaganda and media manipulation. She remembers learning about propaganda and yellow journalism in school, thinking it was something from the past. Trump made people realize they're actively living under propaganda networks that don't care what people say—only what they need people to believe, even to their own detriment.
CNN and MSNBC ratings have dropped, yet they continue lying to the American people every day. When Owens entered the political sphere, she had to learn and pivot quickly out of necessity and self-preservation. She studied Dr. Thomas Sowell extensively, describing him as an absolute legend who "smacked the truth" into her, along with Larry Elder and Dr. Ben Carson.
She knew she had to know exactly what she was talking about because as a black conservative woman, she's held to an incredibly high standard—one mistake and she'd be done. Now she's fascinated by her past self as a "sleepy liberal" who didn't realize everything in life relates to politics. She thinks about family members on welfare whose lives never got better, compared to family members who never went on welfare and where their lives are now.
The Reparations Joke
Owens calls reparations an insult to black Americans and raises questions about implementation. What about mixed-race people—are they half privileged or half oppressed? She finds it hilarious that the party that said requiring ID to vote was racist because it's too hard for black Americans to get ID is now saying black Americans are suddenly smart enough to gather ancestral papers and histories to prove they were once enslaved.
She views reparations as nothing more than an election technique to get black votes and an indication of how scared Democrats are. They realize something is shaking in the black community—black people are speaking in ways they haven't before, and more black conservative movements are popping up everywhere. Democrats know they can't afford to lose even five percent of the black vote or their party is finished.
On the principle of reparations, Owens asks how far we want to take it. Sixty percent of the world would be entitled to slave reparations if we play that game. What about people under the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, or peasants under kings? How far do people want to take this argument before acknowledging there are ugly spots in human history? The only way to repair the past is by focusing on the future—acknowledging terrible things happened but moving on to make something better.
The Kanye West Tidal Wave
When Kanye West said he liked how Candace Owens thinks, it created a tidal wave effect. Owens explains that black Americans are seized culturally—when you break down the family and remove mom and dad from the home, people pursue that maternity and paternity elsewhere. Jay-Z and Beyoncé become mom and dad, which is why Hillary Clinton threw concerts with them leading up to Election Day while Trump was on the ground speaking to Americans.
When you're seized culturally, the only thing that can break through and make you think about politics instead of just culture is a cultural icon. Kanye West punched a hole between politics and culture, forcing people who loved him to find out who Candace Owens was. Whether they hated or loved her, they felt something and it forced a conversation.
People usually find Owens feeling angry and bitter, but over time something happens and they change their minds. Then comes the period where they say, "Well I'm not a Democrat, but what have Republicans ever done?" That means they're thinking, and that's what it's all about. Owens believes we'll look back on this moment in history when there's an exodus of black Americans from the Democratic Party and say Kanye West was a big piece of that.
The Blexit Movement
Owens describes Blexit as exactly what they're discussing—the response in black America and all the movements popping up. Every Blexit rally has gotten bigger and sold out, despite being run by just Owens and one other person. It feels like a cultural movement and conversation, and knowing things are being heavily debated in the black community is what Blexit is all about.
The model of the left has been broken—black Americans are no longer a monolith. Even on the biggest hip-hop shows, people are coming at Elizabeth Warren and Democrats, no longer as trusting of the Democratic Party. Owens's hopes and dreams were to inspire an ideological civil war in the black community. She calls herself "Candace of Connecticut," joking about visions of grandeur like Helen of Troy.
She emphasizes that black Americans have been treated terribly in this country by Democrats and still are. Everyone has lived through terrible things in society—if you're looking for victims, they're everywhere. There's something in everyone's life that makes them a victim, and we could all share victim stories because that's human history. There will always be victims because society is run by imperfect human beings.
Democrats sell the illusion that society is perfectible, but Owens says to stop focusing on that and start focusing on what you can control—how to make things better.
Video Transcript
what determines individuals success in America and to corporations like Google have too much power what are the biggest issues facing black Americans today is systemic racism one of them and how do you emotional manipulation and victim mentality play into all of this this is American thought leaders and I'm Jana Kelly today we sit down again with Candace Owens a conservative commentator and founder of the blex it movement she is the host of the Candace Owens show with Prager University we discuss identity politics suppression of conservative voices and the mindset of victimhood among minorities what Candice sees as a centerpiece of Democratic Party political strategy today well Candace it's wonderful to have you back on American thought-leaders thank you pleasure to be here so you know you're you've become this kind of social commentator for me you know you have this new show on Prager you which I've become a bit of a fan of I have to admit I have to want to watch all the episodes but they're there longer just like our show here so it's a little bit tough but I wanted to kind of bounce a few recent things off you and just kind of seize okay get your take you know for example a recent project very test undercover video of you know Google basically that was recently taken down off of YouTube presumably for privacy reasons but what's your take on all this you know I'm actually on record for saying over a year ago that Google needed to be broken up and the hit had become a monopoly by every standard of what it means to be a monopoly they have too much power right now and I have been sort of beating this drum for a very long time and I think now we're it's starting to become more of a common everyday conversation but look what it is is election meddling I mean the executive there seems pretty confident about the fact that they could help right and that they were the solution and that means that they've actually acquired too much power I felt this immediately as I announced I was a black conservative if you google the name of any black conservative negative terrible things come up that means that Google is not giving you a fair shake because I've done things that are much bigger than anything negative that I've done but you'll see CNN is sort of spearheaded to the front of the results anything that said about me on sort of these liberal left-leaning networks is spearheaded to the front as a result I'm in my opinion selection meddling at its finest and as I said earlier it just means that we need to have a serious conversation about the Antitrust Act and what it means in terms of technology so you know these the social media whether it's Facebook you know you had your own tribulations with Facebook I think you're you're you're fine on Facebook now is that right that there was that they had blocked you at one point they become kind of a public square and we were just discussing this in a recent interview and so it's a bit of a it's almost a bit of a different role than you know people say well it's a private company okay fair enough Google private company Facebook private company but they kind of dominate what people can get out like people like you or me or or or you know just missus essentially anyone in society hooked up to the Internet it's a public square that's how I see it is that how you see it well I think now we're seeing that they're acting in part of publisher and that means that the standards in terms of what they should do should shift accordingly and in terms of me being done with Facebook absolutely not you know it's I've sent my lawyer has fired off a letter and I want to get some answers as to what was going on behind closed scene behind the closed doors how they had me registered as a potential hate agent what exactly a hate agent means and I've said before in the past and I'll say it again conservatives need to start lowering up it's time for there to be a legal fund for conservatives we need to start exploring these companies or how hold them accountable or give them the headache of everyday being in court we need more transparency from these companies because they are altering they're banning their outright banning deferring opinions and and they're making sure that the results in terms of what people see at the forefront are always left leading very interesting I mean okay let's jump to another thing you know recently we've had these you know rape rape accusations by Eugene Carroll against the president and you know this recent Anderson Cooper interview and when I I mean yeah for me when I was watching this I just felt profoundly sad for Humanity well if first for this woman because well just it's obvious that she's really not all there and then there's this moment where Anderson's us you know cut to commercial right when obviously things were not not going right and it it almost feels like some kind of exploitation to me or I I don't know how I don't know how else to say it I just I felt profoundly deeply saddened and and then you know the whole thing almost became comical at that point when when ENTER said and you know cut to commercial with what's your take on all this this is I'm doing my own comment dear here but I don't know what else to say you know I viously found it to be hilarious and it's it it is it's a dark comedy but it is a comedy and it's because the left has produced this I think that there are two things that are affecting this and we're seeing the rise of radical feminism I've spoken about it the whole time I was against the me2 movement immediately one of the first to condemn it and was roundly condemned on both sides from both conservatives and liberals who said oh it's about sexual assault no it's about sexual assault because the left likes to dive into these topics that make people feel uncomfortable even having a rational date debate about it's their way of saying you can't talk about this topic because it's about rape so there's nothing that you can possibly say against this isn't going to make you the bad guy and then we saw that obviously it's about gaining power we saw that with Brett Kavanaugh and now we're seeing it again with these baseless accusations against the president this is about taking down Donald Trump and they've been trying this I think the left is so obsessed with doing it by any means necessary that they're not thinking about the larger implications of you now telling women that everything is rape that they should be believed no matter what that they you know should be sanctions and everything should be a safe space for them to talk about their feelings and people aren't looking at objective data and objective facts it's all about emotions and feelings and it's gonna be problematic long term but in terms of her I just thought great it's we need to see more public displays of exactly what is happening in society right now it's I mean it's it's it's absolutely incredible like I for me when I when me to first start I thought well how can I not support me too you know that that was that was that was my point right and I said nope absolutely so it's you know you see this as kind of a manipulation of emotions because that's the left is that left that that is what the Democrat Party is right it's all about manipulating emotions because when your policies don't hold up you need to have another way to get people to vote for you and that's emotionally and and look human beings in general are emotional most people will choose a motion and an emotional response to something above a rational one when pressed and this is how they've been able to seize black Americans how they've been able to see minorities how they've been able to seize women it's just making them feel so outraged about something that they're not actually thinking does this even make sense and usually the answer is no it makes no sense why should you just believe women have women never told a lie i I mean I lied the whole time check out my ID my teenage years I mean I lied to my parents constantly and consistently because that was a part of being a teenager what can I get away with fascinating actually I do want to talk a little bit about about you know you're cold journey to kind of get to get to where you are today I know our viewers what love would would be very interested in that you know you've been kind of portrayed and I'm remembering now the you know the hearings with where Ted Leo was you know holding up this clip from a video and silver people have tried to portray you as having these you know racist views using you for see yourself as you know standing up for yourself black Americans maybe Americans overall tell tell me a little bit about black Americans and and how they've been like I said what what is the term that you used how their emotions have been manipulated taken advantage of yeah I mean completely we've we have been sold and administered and victim mentality to our own detriment and we were sold that Bible EPS and by the Democrat Party you know it was Malcolm X that said that liberals will pretend to be your friend and that's exactly right they pretend to be your friend they come to you they pretend they want to help when in fact they're hurting the left the Democrat Party does not want black America to ever get better cuz they stumped on our issues every four years they can't come to us and and get us to be emotional if everything's fixed if our lives are better in our lives are improved they're gonna have to come to us with just policies that would make sense so instead they want to make sure that they keep us quiet and make it submit there's always something that we're struggling towards something that we can't get over and of course the theme is racism we've been manipulated by the by the conversation about racism for so long at the same time our communities have been destroyed over the last 60 years by liberal policies so how you know how is it that you're suddenly being portrayed as racist this is what I've been I've been trying to figure this out and I know I know from what I've seen from that video that was shown of you that that's patently ridiculous but nonetheless this is a narrative which you know I love this narrative because what it is is it's the leftover playing their hand so they were in a safe space when they did it to Republicans right to say constantly say Republicans are racist they're the bad guys they were in a safe space when they did Donald Trump oh look at this white billionaire he's going to send you back right to the times of slavery be afraid of this there is something that happens when you start trying to smear black people as racists something goes off in the back of your head I don't care how emotional you are right you're gonna say mmm this seems a little weird now you're calling black people Nazis I don't think that they would have been the race that Hitler wanted to promote right so I love when they do this stuff because it shows me how scared they are and but be how desperate they are they are outwardly overplaying their hand and I let them do it every single time I'm happy to take all the bullets in the world because it always has the opposite desired effect it wakes people up I was flooded with emails after Ted alluded that from black Americans saying sorry saying sorry I had you completely wrong because it went viral and they were forced to watch my testimony and they heard what I was actually about and what I was actually demanding which is a more honest conversation in terms of what's going on in black America how often does do these kinds of ploys backfire in your view okay I mean really that he's kind of the biggest example they tried everything they called him a racist a sexist a misogynist at one point they had him pegged as a rapist which they're still working on now they had him pegged as incestuous member they said that Ivanka Hitler's daughter Ivanka they tried everything and the man is sitting in the Oval Office so clearly it backfires but the great thing about the Democrat Party is they never learn their lesson they just double and triple and quadruple down Candis I want to find out a little bit about your journey you know I read it I saw a recent tweet of yours saying that you came out of a tough situation in childhood that in fact there's maybe some powers that are trying to prevent people from knowing that which is also an interesting story in itself but but why did tell me how where use how did you get to here how did you get to here to being a spokesperson for black conservatives perhaps I think I think you are that to some extent thank you I appreciate that you know yeah my journey has never really talked about and that's because it humanizes me and it makes people realize that I might be saying something because I've lived through some experiences that taught me some things and I came from absolutely nothing I've gone through basically a public x-ray into every every facet of my life but they won't touch my childhood because what I teach people is that it's conservative principles that brought me away from that little girl who grew up sharing a bedroom in a tiny apartment in a low-income housing a built building that had the exterminator have to come to get the roaches every few weeks nobody wants to tell that story right because we're was fun that was in a Connecticut a building on trustor Boulevard if anybody cares to actually go see where Candace Owen started her life it's still up and yeah I had to fight for everything I had I didn't have wealthy parents I didn't have parents I had money to send me to school I took out one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in student loans and I was in debt and I had to pay back every single penny by myself I had nothing I slept on friends couches just believing in myself with thinking that I make it and if it wasn't for my perspective of seeing myself as a victor as someone who could work harder as someone who wasn't gonna go out and party but instead of somebody who was going to spend every second that I had learning trying to learn more trying to add value to companies I wouldn't be sitting here today and that's what I try to tell black Americans forget what they're telling you about being a victim that's not going to take you from point A to point Z all its going to do is make you feel bitter and angry and outraged the entire time there is this it's the same way that you build success whether you are black whether you are white whether you are Asian who by the way no one talks about the Asians they're the ones doing the best in America right now there are an internment camps but Japanese Americans are doing the best today how did they do it well there is no Japanese lives matter movement that I know of in America so it might just be that they kept their heads down they worked hard they keep their families together and they have good values so was there some point at which you know you started I I remember actually you someone told me I read somewhere that that larry elder inspired you or read pilled you perhaps as those the term how did things kind of shift for you where you actually came out as a conservative or became this kind of conservative voice what what happened can you give me a like in a kind of a rundown I would say the shift really transpired I was already living my life conservatively I just wasn't paying attention to politics and I had been brainwashed like most black Americans via the public school system to believe that I had to be a Democrat and that I had to be a liberal but when Trump sort of began you know his his candidacy for the president everyone started suddenly paying attention to politics right and watching him be smeared and labeled as a racist and at the time you know I had spent seven years living and working in New York everyone loved Trump I listened to hip-hop music everybody loved Trump and I just wasn't so foolish as to believe that overnight someone could become all of these things but he had gotten away with it for so long it was celebrated by the media and so I just wanted to begin to explore I guess the the liberal argument versus the conservative argument and I stumbled upon larry elder literally taking dave rubin to the cleaners right on his own show of that videos i loved that's amazing i love that I loved that video for two reasons not just because you know Larry alder is brilliant and just slaughters all the arguments that Dave Rubin who is a good friend of mine gave him but also that Dave of whom was willing to listen right and then and publish and publish it and be and be humble enough to say wow you know I was seeing things the wrong way that was for me too it took it took it took a tremendous amount of humility for me to get where I am today because I had to acknowledge formally that everything that I had thought before was wrong that Republicans weren't racist that they weren't the ones keeping me back that I had learned everything the wrong way that I had been not not uneducated but miss educated intentionally so people that say oh it's easy to be a black conservative you're completely wrong it's about holding up a mirror and meaning you were wrong and getting in the driver's seat of your life and and that was kind of my story and I'm so grateful to every elder for that moment on the Internet and I hope I provided that moment to people as well I hope that you know that's the purpose of the Internet today is provide alternative perspectives well so and I think the point of that Dave Rubin larry elder video was around systemic grief or institutionalized racism maybe for the record what's your perspective on systemic wrenchers institutionalized racism it doesn't exist you know actually I would say does exist but you can't you you you tie your own noose meaning if you do go to the government for your solutions if you do turn to welfare programs welfare programs systemically keep people below the poverty line for a reason it incentivizes bad behavior they reward literally reward you for bad behavior the more children you have out of wedlock the more money will give you if you don't marry the father of your children you will give you even more money right so if you want to go that path and you want to believe as government is the solution to all of your problems you will see some some systemic racism if you will or just in it guess it's not even racism because you can be white and on welfare as well but systemic no there's nothing that I cannot do as a black woman sitting in this chair or in this society in this country that you can do as a white man it's all about our choices fascinating and I think this is you know and I think Larry also talks about that he feels like the really big issue is the lack of and the breakdown of the American family is that do you share that he's 100 percent correct it's the biggest issue facing black America today every single metric supports that claim and we know that it was in fact the welfare policies that incentivize that behavior when you see in the 1960s that totally 23% of black Americans grew up with a single parent in the home 23 percent and at that time that was considered a lot that was considered oh my goodness we have a problem today it's seventy-four percent and it was actually Barack Obama who gave a speech and talked about what that means what the implications are of growing up without a father in the whole you know nine times more likely to end up behind bars six times more likely to lead a life of crime he talked about those numbers so you know that where you see that black Americans are growing up in single-parent homes you were going to see suffering you know you I just thought of this you you mentioned that you have had to pay back a hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth of student loans I really hope Bernie Sanders but goes with this but I will sue for every single dollar back you see where I'm going with this right so so what do you make of this I mean there's there's that that's in it I was sharing with with one of our staff today that of all the policy things that I've heard about that is a kind of a frightening one in a way because one financially it's hard to conceive right in a in a in a budget but the other part is I can see it being attractive to a lot of people in a way that's most of the other stuff isn't I don't know I I would have said that I look I always choose laughter so first off I'll say you were scared I laughed no I would have felt that way if we were still caught in that society where people only turn to TV for information and you just had to CNN telling you this was great and Fox News may be disputing that it wasn't so great but it's a different world now and it's a world where political commentators are able to bring the discussion to the forefront a different way and look the way that I view it is I would love to do a show I would call it whose bribe is it anyways and we would talk talk about all of the bribes I'm the left right now which bribe are you gonna take all right you could you could take Bernie Sanders and and he's gonna just give you pay off all of your student loans it's competing Elizabeth Warren she's gonna give you money cuz you're black or you could take Joe Biden he's gonna cure your cancer I mean they're they're really kind of outdoing each other in terms of who they can bribe and it's making a mockery but I think it's also showing people what I say the whole time which is that the left believes that the majority of people in America are irredeemably stupid so they appealed people that they think are stupid and emotional and not rational because hey it sounds great I'm gonna pay your student loans but no one's thinking about what the implications are they're trillions and trillions of dollars and where is it gonna come from because they think that people aren't aren't smart enough to understand basic economics I think people are smart enough to understand and that's that's where I come in that's why I make videos and I go out and I talk about what are we really talking about here Bernie Sanders might he's a champion socialist I love it he's a millionaire he's also a socialist didn't live his life that way he loves capitalism he gots obviously how we got to where he's getting but he's gonna try to sell the people that he believes to be dumber than him that the way to solve everything is to just start taxing the rich more well there seem to be a lot of and I I'm not sure if I'm a hundred percent sure I'm right about this but there seem to be a lot of very affluent people who support these policies no I'm tired I mean let's let's say Silicon Valley right yes boring Silicon Valley we which policy and redic in particular so they kind of support more of the the Milton Friedman Andrew yang stuff in terms of a basic giving people a universal income sure I've know that there's there's there's one I mean there's one example but the supporting more government control type policies rather than you know would say the bottom up policies that that am i right or maybe I'm not right I'm open to be corrected here that that's my feeling and I'm always fascinated by this giving that Givens edits they're gonna it's the the bastion of capitalism my Silicon Valley you know innovation all this is a what do you think of this you know I always say that there are are two types of socialists I think a lot of them and I say this a little bit from knowing because I've met Jack Dorsey and I've spoken to him bhai closed doors and I don't think he's this villain that people like to think that he is I actually think that he's he's a techie I think he's more nervous and more reserved and that he create he perhaps a lot of people experience guilt when they you know generate a lot of wealth right like I have all this money some people don't it's really easy to say hey you should give some of that away and that just makes sense without them thinking about the larger implications now in in terms of Facebook I don't know I feel like that's a whole other situation and then that you know perhaps they do support B's policies we know Google I mean certainly it wouldn't even make sense to Google to want more government there kind of in this in this weird wedge where they're trying to help people that want more government at the same time of keeping their freedom to be able to manipulate search results which more government would instantly shut them down so I don't know I think that they're shooting themselves in the foot a bit with that interesting what do you know the other thing that occurred to me is you mentioned to me earlier that you you see the Democratic Party at being stuck in a kind of a short-term thinking yes and what you were talking about earlier you know spoke to that I think can you expand on that a little bit yeah they they aren't realizing the long-term implications of the things that they're doing what they're really trying to do is fundamentally get away with a it's not a literal assassination right a figurative assassination of a president right now they're trying to take him out by any means necessary but you know that you can't just shoot a president but so they're gonna say well what can we do we're gonna we're gonna slender we're gonna liable we're going to make his life a living hell every single day well once you open that window you can't really undo that right so that means that let's say we do have a Democrat politician you know in six years from now well you've now made it okay for women and who don't like this politician and just say that they were sexually assaulted for people to have no respect for the highest office in the land I mean that's that's dangerous stuff that we're playing with here and you can't you can't undo that and and I think that you see that in certain regards they don't know how to handle it when it accidentally comes back on them like when keith Ellison but with these sexual assault claims they didn't want to talk about didn't want to touch it and they have to realize that you you creep these rules eventually you're going to have to play by them I think I'm the the greatest example to that and they're the ones that created the rules that you're not allowed to say anything negative to a black woman because we're supposed to be at the top with the progressive stack in terms of victimhood well now they don't know how to handle me they don't know what to do with me because whoa do we ignore her do we try to shut her down with something that's really crazy well I'm sorry you created the rules now you play by them the other thing that struck me is something that's very important to me or something again maybe let's say scares me in society is this maybe support or preponderance of victim mentality or victimhood culture and I've seen that something that you've spoken about a lot and it kind of goes into many different aspects of society in many of the topics we've just been discussing what what is your take on the role of this victimhood culture Society now you know early on Democrats sat down and they realized that they were going to sort of spin this web and the nucleus of the web of them of them trying to capture votes is it was going to be victimhood right so from that from from that nucleus you can build anything right so its victimhood the me2 movement victimhood reparations and then they keep growing and in terms of who they think could be a victim trans movement now is kind of becoming I see it kind of building and becoming to the forefront of the conversation even though less than 1% of people are affected with them gender gender dysphoria right so that this is what they do they look for their next victims the illegals right this they're all your victims you're just trying to get into a better country but at the core of what they're trying to do is just capture to go for votes with an emotional argument so if you can destroy the victim mentality you collapse the entire Democrat Party if you get people to realize that that's what they're doing you collapse the entire Democrat Party because and it forces them to actually come to the table with policies that can make things better for everybody forget whether they're there gay lesbian trans black white Hispanic everything can be better if you just actually have good policies unfortunately the left doesn't have good policies all they want is power they're obsessed with power but they don't have good policies you know this is this a new phenomenon I'm thinking back to you know the kradic party circa JFK let's say you know to me completely different different reality I'm not an expert by any means but when I think about you know roughly some of the different policies some of the different approaches night and day difference from the kind of stuff that I hear being talked about there I'm very sensitive to socialist or extreme socialist policies you know my family escaped from communist Poland in the 70s before you know they they came here for a reason North America for a reason how does this shift changed has there been a shift okay I guess is the first question in your view and and is this just a different party now here so yes it is a different party and they have become extremists but I'll tell you they gave birth to it within their own party so Nancy Pelosi is not an extremist she's a moderate right when you think about some of these these people Chuck Schumer is also not an extremist he's a moderate let me explain what I'm saying because they both say extremist things in order to combat Trump right the moderates the moderate Dems pretended to be extremists oh this is so horrible oh we need more of this oh we need more of that they didn't really think that they just wanted power back by any means necessary so what happened it gave birth to a OC it gave birth to rashida to leave it gave birth to Ilhan Omar these are actually the real radicals these are the people that really want socialism they and they want these sort of radical concepts in America and now what's happening the moderate Democrats actually birthed it it's actually brilliant I love to watch it because they have to say we actually made this okay because we were saying things didn't really believe but we wanted to just take down Donald Trump well now what's happening is of course they're creating what I refer to as liberal refugees the more moderate Dems that existed these JFK Dems that you're talking about who are saying I don't recognize this party what are we talking about making America Venezuela what are we talking about open the borders let everybody flood in I've met these people be these liberal refugees and they say I know I'm not with Trump but I'm really against this and I think what it's going to amount to is in 2020 you're going to see Trump win by very large margins you know I was during the 2015 you know after basically president now part and Trump entered the race I was fascinated I'm gonna do a little my own commentary very psyche I was fascinated because I suddenly saw all these media basically saying exactly the same thing I saw something that that I knew was happening on the China side because I was a China watcher before and I knew there was a narrative around China and I knew that that a lot of the the truthful things up to China where it being said that I that I knew were real but suddenly I kind of and I knew there was propaganda being spun around that and so forth but 2015 suddenly I'm seeing all these media doing kind of a similar thing you know essentially it doesn't matter what happens they're always just kind of going back to the same narrative and we know what it is and you described it earlier as we were talking this was the same time so I I had a I had a bit of a transformation thinking about media what is there a conspiracy I don't know and this is around the same time that you're saying you had your realization hey wait a second I am a my conservative I don't know what what were you thinking and how did you how are you able to shape your views so quickly because here you have a prolific thoughts on a whole range of issues we know because we've seen the videos listen to the podcasts and you know heard the interviews so how did that all happen yeah I mean I think that first and foremost the president Donald Trump definitely forced this mass awakening upon us and it's it's a bizarre thing to think backwards and say I remember actively learning about propaganda in school I remember actively learning about yellow journalism when I was learning it and thinking well this is a facet of the past right that we now get to study here in the future and then suddenly trouble made you realize we're living under this this isn't just something that happened in Germany or something that happened at this time in America this is something that we are actively living through we were living under propaganda networks that they do not care what the people say it's about what they put out and what they need people to believe that are true even to their own detriment CNN ratings are dropping I mean MSNBC their ratings have dropped and they don't care they're going to keep lying every single day to the American people even if the American people are no longer with them in terms of interns I guess my growth well first and foremost when you're in it you have to you have to learn very quickly you have to pivot so I could say by necessity I had to do a lot of research a lot of studying I got really into dr. Thomas soul he is an absolute legend and he just kind of smacked me uh-uh smacked the truth into me if you will and and Larry elder and dr. ben Carson I just kind of I had to it was kind of you're in this now and they're gonna pick apart everything that you say is you better know exactly what it is that you're talking about so you're basically yeah the self preservation you can you Smith speak once then there she's done you know she got it wrong fascinating so yeah so you're you're really kept to this really really high standard right all the time but I love it too so I'm I'm so in this now I'm so fascinated by I'm fascinated by Candace in the past I'm fascinated by Candace that was a sleepy liberal and didn't realize that everything in her life actually related to politics you know everything if I if I had had this understanding Wow I don't know what my life would be say if I had started this understanding when I was six years old and I think about it in terms of everyone in my life people that have made terrible decisions and you know a big portion my family is on welfare and their lives have never gotten better and then I have a portion of my family that never went on welfare and seeing where their lives are so I just I love it just in terms of assessing my past in my history and then thinking of just the future potential that black America could have if we woke up and said oh my gosh we're not different from Americans we are Americans stop allowing them to make us feel like we're somehow different like we're less than fascinating so you know speaking of which big in the news recently has been the issue of reparations it's come up I mean again I'll just give you my own personal thought I mean if if there's there's probably a few groups in history in America that may deserve theoretically reparations black Americans some really horrible things we're done to black Americans we know that right so is their case what's your take on reparations I think it's a joke I think it's it's such insult to black Americans and I have questions what about mixed-race babies forgotten people of America are the mixed-race kids right are they half privileged or half oppressed so okay no I gotcha but the thing is okay so the application how would you actually implement represented you're talking how would it work the party the party that and this is what's really funny about the left because they never make sense they're just always running around like like chickens with their heads cut off the party that once said that Republicans were racist for requiring ID to vote because it's too hard for black Americans to get ID right which is fundamentally saying weren't you stupid to figure out how to get ID is now saying that we're suddenly smart enough to gather all of our ancestral papers and histories to prove that we were that we were one slaves in this country I mean it's it's jarring to me obviously this is nothing more of an election an election technique to get all the black votes and I think it's an indication of how scared they are they realize that something is shaking in the black community and that black people are speaking in ways that we haven't spoke before in the past and I see it every day online more and more black conservative movements and sections and pockets of America are popping up they know that they cannot afford to lose even 5% of the black vote or their party is finished they rely upon the black vote like you wouldn't believe and and so I think it's just you know it's an exercise in fear and I also think that it should be laughed at because it just shows you what I say is true they believe like Americans are stupid and emotional I want to ask you about just kind of the the cathedral concept of reparations in a moment but what just struck me as you were talking is I remember when Kanye West said you know I like I like how Candace owns things I don't remember something something to that effect then and then of course previously you know coming out essentially in support of the president how much of an impact did that have on the black community I mean I saw different responses I saw and some people were saying this is this is a tidal wave type effect other folks were saying not a big deal how did how did that impact things with a tidal wave okay so black Americans are seized culturally right that's sort of a natural thing that happens when you break down the family when you remove mom and dad from the home they will still pursue that maternity and paternity somewhere else so it becomes the cultural icons jay-z and Beyonce become mom and dad and this is why Hillary Clinton wants to throw a jay-z and a Beyonce concert leading up to the elections leading up to the election day she was throwing concerts while Trump was on the ground speaking to Americans so when you're seized culturally of the only thing that can sort of get you kind of back into okay forget culture for a second and actually think about the politics is a cultural icon so Kanye West created this vacuous space he punched a hole in between two segments that have previously been separated politics and culture and he forced people that loved him so then go find two Candice Owens was whether you hated her or you loved her you felt something and it forced a conversation like I say the people instantly when they when they find me they're usually pretty angry and bitter and then something kind of happens over time where they change their mind and then you start you get that period they say well I'm not a Democrat but what they're one of the Republicans ever done great you're thinking you're starting to think and that's what it's all about I think one day we'll look back on this moment in history because I do believe that we're going to see an exodus in black America from the Democrat Party and we will say that Kanye West was a big piece of that okay now I have to ask you on you know how far has blacks it come since since you launched it's been amazing I mean this is blech say what we're doing right now what we're talking about this response in black America and all these movements popping up is blex it right it's not about just Candice Owens every rally that we've done has gotten bigger and bigger they've all been sold out and it's just me and one other person that's running the entire show and it feels cultural it feels like a cultural movement and a cultural conversation and to know that things are being heavily debated in the black community is what flex day is all about we were thinking in terms of a model lift before and that's been broken now black Americans are not a monolith anymore you're seeing even on the biggest hip hop shows they're now kind of coming at you know Elizabeth Warren and and and they're they're not as trusting in the Democratic territory anymore and that is basically what my hopes and dreams were I wanted to inspire an ideological civil war in the black community I wanted to remember Helen of Troy Candice of Connecticut ha visions of grandeur perhaps no that's very that that's super interesting yeah well ok so now I still think that black Americans were horribly treated in this country right horribly I mean in just okay absolutely we have been treated terribly in this country by Democrats still are so you know it is is it fair that that there's no kind of there's no reparations no restitution nothing should the Japanese okay there was more recent the internment camps more recent to the Japanese get reparations sure the Irish get reparations by the way Irish mean that need not apply science when they came here during the Progressive Era I mean how far do we want to take this down are we acknowledging that there are ugly spots in history because sixty percent of the world would be entitled to slave reparations if he wanted to play that game what about the people that exist under the Roman Empire what about people that exist under the Ottoman Empire what about the peasants that existed under Kings I mean how far did people really want to take this argument before this acknowledge that there are ugly spots in human history right the only way that you can repair the past is by focusing on the future so you're just basically okay so it exists it's real it's horrible but you've got to move on and make something and you have to move on everybody has lived through terrible things in society really there-there is not if you're looking for victims they're everywhere there's something in your life that makes you a victim there's plenty of things in my life that make me a victim we could go around the room and everyone could share their victims story right that is the human history and by the way there's always gonna be victims the Democrats like to sell this illusion that somehow society is perfectible of course not perfected local society is run by human beings and human beings aren't perfect so stop focusing on that start but start focusing on the things that you can focus on which is how to make things better powerful place to finish up Candice thank you so much for joining me thank you for having me Candice of Connecticut [Music] you
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