Candace Owens vs TPUSA: The Response That Changes Everything

[00:00] Hello and welcome back to Trigger Smart.

[00:01] And as you all know, there was another

[00:03] Candace Owens podcast yesterday. She

[00:06] dropped some more bombs. She says some

[00:07] more information and then she says

[00:09] she'll string us along to the next

[00:10] video, which is what she does. So, I'm

[00:13] looking at the response from Blake and

[00:15] the TPUSA team. But there's a few things

[00:18] I found very interesting. Check this

[00:19] out. So, if we look at the Charlie Kirk

[00:21] YouTube page, which has 5.66 66 million

[00:25] subscribers. If we scroll down, we'll

[00:28] see the addressing Candace video that

[00:30] we're going to look at 18 hours ago has

[00:33] 175,000 views. But if you look at the

[00:36] previous videos, 10,000, 4,000, 8,000,

[00:40] 6, 5, 3, 9. So, no one cares what these

[00:44] guys have to say. You know, 39,000

[00:48] couple days ago, 4,000 4,000. So, no one

[00:50] wants to hear these guys. No one cares

[00:53] about anything they have to say, right?

[00:55] If you have 5 million subscribers on a

[00:57] channel, even if it was Charlie's

[00:58] previously, you would expect

[01:00] significantly more views than the teens

[01:03] or less. And then the only time that I

[01:06] saw something actually go up a little

[01:07] bit was this one here where Erica had an

[01:10] interview and she talks about who

[01:12] Charlie really was. And that only had

[01:14] 269,000 views. You would expect

[01:16] something like that to get a million

[01:17] views, right?

[01:19] So, just know that this channel, you

[01:22] know, without Charlie Kirk is basically

[01:24] failing. I also have another few quick

[01:27] points. The first point is I don't think

[01:29] that these guys should be using

[01:31] Charlie's platform to address people

[01:34] that are against TPUSA or to use it to

[01:38] protect themselves or their name.

[01:40] Charlie built this up. Yes, they were

[01:42] with him in the podcast and stuff like

[01:44] that and in the company, but they're

[01:46] basically using Charlie's voice to fight

[01:48] haters and people that are against

[01:49] TPUSA. That to me seems wrong. I don't

[01:52] think they should be doing that. This

[01:53] should have been addressed on their own

[01:54] accounts, which I believe Blake did on

[01:56] X. I don't think it should be showing on

[01:57] the Charlie Kirk podcast show. What do

[02:00] you think about that? And then also

[02:01] separately, it's very interesting that

[02:03] Blake is by himself.

[02:07] So why is Mikey McCoy not responding to

[02:10] his own allegations?

[02:13] Why is Tyler Boyer not responding to his

[02:15] own allegations?

[02:17] So they have this pre-made. They

[02:19] probably all got together, use chat GBT,

[02:21] and wrote this response letter that

[02:23] Blake's reading and it seems very

[02:25] mechanical. And real quick before I

[02:27] forget, I wanted to address this. So

[02:29] Harsh over at Harsh Reality, he comes

[02:31] out and he says what a lot of people are

[02:33] probably thinking is that uh Candace

[02:35] Owens is making a lot of money off of

[02:37] this and a lot of people are. I've done

[02:40] some theories and things like that and

[02:42] I've made some money off of it. He's

[02:43] making money off of it. Coach Colin,

[02:45] Jimmy Door, I mean it's it's content,

[02:48] right? Content makes money. But with

[02:50] Candace Owens, she has a huge audience

[02:52] and she has huge sponsors. So, if you

[02:54] really want to get into kind of the

[02:56] numbers and and kind of what he

[02:57] estimates he's making off of this, I

[02:58] mean, it's in the several millions,

[03:00] right? Um, but he was estimating

[03:02] something like 250 million over a period

[03:04] of time. So, just take that into

[03:07] account. But my thoughts on it is I'm

[03:10] not, you know, I'm not anti-Candice or

[03:12] anything like that, but it's interesting

[03:14] because say if she has this list of

[03:16] facts. So, you would think in one

[03:18] episode that's, you know, two or three

[03:20] hours, she could give us all the facts

[03:23] instead of like sprinkling them in over

[03:25] multiple episodes, multiple sponsor

[03:27] segments over multiple weeks and months,

[03:29] right? So, I think there is an aspect of

[03:32] this that is monetization for her, but I

[03:36] think that obviously she truly cares

[03:37] about Charlie and she is trying to do

[03:39] what she can to try and figure things

[03:41] out. But, we're not going to know if

[03:42] this is just theatrics until after the

[03:44] fact. So, as of right now, you have to

[03:46] make a decision for yourself.

[03:48] So, he also addresses too that some

[03:50] people are maybe jealous that she's

[03:52] number one. I mean, people like us, we

[03:54] don't even compete in that arena. So,

[03:56] that's that's not even on the radar. Um,

[03:58] but he's he and other people have

[04:00] mentioned people like um you know, Joe

[04:02] Rogan obviously has been ousted for

[04:04] number one. And then you have people

[04:06] like Tim Cast, people are saying that

[04:08] he's jealous and that kind of stuff. I

[04:09] mean, these people have empires. They're

[04:12] making millions of dollars every year.

[04:13] They're very comfortable. Now, is there

[04:15] a little competition there? Maybe, but I

[04:16] don't think they're devastated. So, just

[04:18] wanted to address that really quick. All

[04:20] right. Other people have covered this,

[04:21] but I'm going to give you my

[04:22] perspective. Ever since Charlie's

[04:24] murder, Candace Owens has leveled a

[04:27] flood of allegations against people at

[04:29] Turning Point US.

[04:31] >> So, now again, the first thing I want to

[04:32] bring up is that they're using the

[04:34] Charlie Kirk show, Charlie's platform,

[04:37] to address Candace. That to me just

[04:40] seems kind of cowardly. And to be

[04:42] honest, this is the most views they've

[04:44] had in a long time on this channel since

[04:46] they've taken it over. And I've also

[04:48] heard some allegations that a lot of

[04:50] Charlie Kirk's content, older content

[04:52] especially, has been scrubbed from

[04:54] platforms, including podcasts and on

[04:57] YouTube and other places. Why would they

[04:59] do that? Doesn't make any sense to me.

[05:01] >> Say people at Turning Point Action and

[05:04] people who work for this show. She has

[05:07] made them against some of Charlie's

[05:08] closest friends and against some of his

[05:09] most dedicated employees.

[05:12] She has suggested that Michael McCoy,

[05:14] Charlie's chief of staff, knew Charlie

[05:16] would be murdered, was happy that he

[05:18] died, and stayed silent because he was

[05:20] told he would be the next Charlie. Okay,

[05:23] so things like those type of allegations

[05:26] like her saying, you know, if if his

[05:29] wording is correct, for her to say that

[05:32] he knew he was going to die and he was

[05:33] happy about it, you're just guessing. I

[05:36] mean, you you can look at someone's

[05:37] behavior and deduce things, but does she

[05:40] factually know that? No. So,

[05:42] technically, that's not a fact. That's

[05:44] just her opinion. A lot of this stuff is

[05:45] her opinion, and the things that she can

[05:47] back with receipts, she's already shown.

[05:49] >> She has suggested Michael is not his

[05:51] real name. It is, I have seen his birth

[05:54] certificate myself.

[05:55] >> Why would he have seen his friend's

[05:56] birth certificate?

[05:58] That's just kind of strange. Candace has

[06:00] suggested the Utah Valley University

[06:02] event was unusual and its details

[06:04] suggested a quote inside job.

[06:08] >> It was unusual and there were some very

[06:09] unusual things about it including the

[06:11] final location chosen and the fact that

[06:13] security didn't check the roof and some

[06:15] other things about it. I believe that

[06:16] Frank Turk also said that he had some

[06:19] some feelings of like questioning the

[06:22] safety and things when they got there

[06:23] and then the fact that it went from like

[06:25] 600 students that were expected to over

[06:28] 3,000 people. I mean there there's a lot

[06:30] about that situation that was not good.

[06:33] She is

[06:34] >> and also the fact that they didn't have

[06:36] metal detectors, they didn't have

[06:38] security guards checking people and they

[06:39] didn't check tickets. So anyone was

[06:41] allowed to go in. I don't know if that's

[06:42] typical for these TPUSA

[06:44] uh you know events, but that's what

[06:47] happened.

[06:47] >> Claimed that foreign aircraft have

[06:49] followed Erica Kirk around the country

[06:51] and that Turning Point has lied about

[06:53] this happening. She has accused us of

[06:56] lying about Charlie wanting air. So, on

[06:59] the airplanes, there are some

[07:01] allegations

[07:02] from Candace that I believe Ian Carroll

[07:06] and also uh Baron Coleman have been

[07:08] following up on about these airplanes

[07:10] that have been supposedly following

[07:11] around Erica Kirk in like 68 or 70

[07:15] different instances where they would,

[07:16] you know, cross their the same point on

[07:18] the map or something like that. So, I

[07:20] mean, it's interesting, but there still

[07:21] has to be some kind of proof. I mean,

[07:24] right right now it's just uh

[07:25] coincidence, right? So until there's

[07:27] actually proof of something that

[07:28] happened or is happening, then it's just

[07:31] allegations.

[07:32] >> Erica to take over for him if he died.

[07:35] She has suggested Charlie's security

[07:37] team intentionally denied him first aid

[07:40] after the shooting to ensure that he

[07:42] died.

[07:43] >> Okay. Okay, so now on that one, um,

[07:45] assuming Brian Harpole was telling the

[07:46] truth in his interview with Shawn Ryan

[07:48] and then his follow-up interview with

[07:49] Paramount Tactical, he was saying that

[07:52] he personally was giving Charlie first

[07:54] aid within seconds of Charlie being

[07:56] shot. And he said he gave him first aid

[07:58] in the vehicle all the way up through to

[08:00] the hospital. So that would mean that

[08:02] first aid was not denied. It was given

[08:05] by the security team, but there were

[08:06] EMTs there that were denied. It seems

[08:08] like

[08:09] >> she has raised suspicions about the head

[08:11] of our technical team because he took an

[08:14] SD card out of a camera.

[08:16] >> Okay. Now, the SD card is a big deal for

[08:20] many reasons, but yes, they own the

[08:23] equipment, so he could go and take it,

[08:25] but it was a crime scene. So, he walked

[08:28] into a crime scene and pulled evidence

[08:31] and had it for a period of time before

[08:33] supposedly, they say, turning it over to

[08:35] the authorities. in that period of time

[08:37] that he had it, he could have tampered

[08:40] with it. If I have a SD card for an

[08:43] hour, I can put it into my editing

[08:46] program and do all kinds of stuff to it.

[08:48] So, that's just one concern that I had

[08:50] about that.

[08:50] >> She has spread absurd claims that Tyler

[08:53] Ber, who we just had on the show,

[08:55] sexually abuses male interns. She's

[08:59] >> okay. So, he is saying that there's

[09:02] allegations that Tyler Boyer is

[09:04] sexually, you know, you heard it, but

[09:07] the thing that's [clears throat]

[09:07] interesting is that they're not denying

[09:09] that he's gay. She says that he's gay.

[09:11] That's what she alleges and everyone

[09:13] knows it. So, for a pretty hardcore

[09:17] Christian establishment to have gay

[09:20] higherups seems strange to me, but

[09:23] that's if he actually is gay. and the

[09:25] fact that he, you know, brings up this

[09:28] intern thing. Um, he doesn't deny that

[09:31] he's gay though when he says it. So,

[09:32] that's interesting. That was interesting

[09:33] point. And then also, I just did a video

[09:36] yesterday and it does there there's some

[09:39] allegations around some people that were

[09:40] on redacted saying that Tyler Ber was

[09:43] complacent in some of his subordinates

[09:46] or, you know, peer executives being in

[09:50] some inappropriate touch type of

[09:53] situations and basically slid it under

[09:55] the rug. And there were actual police

[09:57] reports and things that happened.

[10:00] suggested that TPUSA faith affiliated

[10:03] pastors like theologian Frank Turk, who

[10:05] we'll have on in a moment, and pastor

[10:07] Rob McCoy, are part of a military quote

[10:10] infiltration of Turning Point, either

[10:13] because they are veterans or because

[10:14] they have family members who are, even

[10:17] if not everyone has been named

[10:19] specifically though, Candace has

[10:20] effectively tred everyone here with

[10:23] complicity in Charlie's death by

[10:25] repeatedly saying he was quote betrayed

[10:28] by quote everyone. one.

[10:31] >> No, that is true that she has basically

[10:33] said that or implied that and that was

[10:35] kind of especially early on, you know,

[10:36] when she had the anger and she's

[10:37] mourning and that kind of stuff, which

[10:38] she probably still is mourning. Yes,

[10:40] there there's that that list on X where

[10:42] it's like, you know, she blamed the FBI

[10:44] and then the CIA and then I'm I'm just

[10:46] throwing stuff out there and and then,

[10:48] you know, Mikey McCoy and then Tyler

[10:50] Boyer and then Rob McCoy and then the

[10:52] Egyptians and then, you know, basically

[10:54] everyone is on the menu. So, that's kind

[10:57] of what he was uh referencing. She has

[10:59] made claims of financial impropriy and

[11:01] fraud at turning point adding up into

[11:03] the millions of dollars which again is

[11:06] not true.

[11:07] >> Now this is another piece. So if you go

[11:10] over to Wolves and Finance you'll see a

[11:13] video where he talks about well he

[11:14] actually has two videos. So he has one

[11:16] where he talks about the original

[11:17] finances the 990 from TPUSA itself and

[11:20] the other three 990s were missing. And

[11:22] then he has a follow-up video where he

[11:24] kind of addresses that and talks about a

[11:25] company I believe it's called 110. that

[11:28] one is like a shell company or a

[11:30] business and he tries to go track it

[11:32] down and he can't find it. But then

[11:34] Timcast came out and basically, you

[11:37] know, in his own way debunk the entire

[11:38] video. So he said like, yeah, you know,

[11:41] it looks suspicious if you don't know

[11:43] what you're talking about, but in that

[11:45] video he talks about how like there's

[11:46] this one one owner of several suites and

[11:50] this company that got paid $1.5 million

[11:52] for like marketing and stuff, which is

[11:53] not unusual for a huge company like this

[11:56] in a year. But um he basically, you

[11:58] know, says like he has he probably owns

[12:00] the the business or the strip mall and

[12:02] he has multiple suites and 110 could

[12:05] literally be one office anywhere in that

[12:08] entire mini mall strip. So I mean is is

[12:11] there some funny stuff going on?

[12:13] Possibly. But those those videos don't

[12:16] necessarily prove that there's anything

[12:18] illegal. And he even says it in those

[12:19] videos that I can't prove anything

[12:21] illegal is going on. He just thinks it's

[12:23] suspicious. Charlie made sure the

[12:25] organization was audited by a third

[12:27] party every year. He personally reviewed

[12:29] and he signed off on every expense

[12:31] report and literally every single bill

[12:34] paid by the organization down to a

[12:37] single United States dollar. Okay, now

[12:39] they're saying that Charlie went through

[12:41] it every year and called for these

[12:43] audits, which he did. But this year

[12:45] specifically, remember he called for a

[12:47] Doge style audit and they have since

[12:50] from what I've heard reportedly they

[12:52] have since cancelled that Doge style

[12:54] audit since he passed.

[12:56] >> We have never missed a 990 deadline.

[13:00] Candace has made other stranger

[13:02] allegations involving French par

[13:04] >> for that 990 deadline. That's another

[13:06] interesting one. So Wolves and Wall

[13:08] Street said I believe it was May that

[13:10] they were filed, but they didn't

[13:12] actually show until recently. And um Tim

[13:15] Cass was basically saying that it could

[13:16] be possible that because of the

[13:17] government shutdown that it delayed

[13:20] things and that's why it actually became

[13:22] public later, but it looks like it was

[13:24] actually filed in May. Troopers in

[13:26] maroon shirts, uh Egyptian Air Force

[13:28] planes flying out of Provo, Utah, and

[13:31] potential underground assassins

[13:33] traveling through unseen tunnels. At

[13:35] this at one point in early November, she

[13:37] started wildly throwing suspicion on

[13:40] members of Utah Valley's soccer team for

[13:43] wearing hoodies. I could go on. There is

[13:46] So that is probably semi-true.

[13:50] A lot of people were doing that, right?

[13:51] They're talking about, "What about the

[13:53] tunnel under his feet? What about the

[13:55] tent above him? What about the tunnel

[13:57] behind him? What about those kids

[13:59] standing over there looking weird?"

[14:00] because everyone's trying to figure out

[14:02] what the heck happened and they didn't

[14:04] believe the official narrative.

[14:06] >> There's always something new coming up

[14:08] and none of it ever pans out because

[14:11] from the start there has been nothing

[14:13] there.

[14:15] >> Now, that's just an assumption that

[14:16] there's nothing there. But asking

[14:19] questions and investigating and looking

[14:22] for truth, there's nothing wrong with

[14:24] that. It's supposed to be innocent until

[14:26] proven guilty, not guilty until proven

[14:28] innocent. So, you have to have receipts,

[14:32] not just information, right? A receipt

[14:34] is not just, hey, I have information

[14:36] from this subscriber that emailed me.

[14:38] That's not a receipt. And even finding

[14:40] like flights and stuff like that. That's

[14:41] not a receipt. A receipt is I connected

[14:44] this exact thing to this to this and

[14:46] that that specific thing resulted in

[14:49] Charlie dying. That would be a receipt.

[14:52] So, I kind of get what he's saying with

[14:55] that. I'm in no way defending these guys

[14:57] against Candace. I'm just saying like

[14:59] when people are talking, you have to

[15:00] really listen to every detail and

[15:01] everything they're saying and their

[15:02] mannerisms. Now, in this, I would say,

[15:04] you know, you should read his body

[15:05] language and the way he's talking and

[15:06] stuff like that and his voice tone, but

[15:08] he's very monotone, just reading off a

[15:09] script. The attacks and allegations from

[15:12] Candace are either lies or they are

[15:14] innuendos thrown around with a total

[15:17] reckless disregard for the truth so that

[15:19] Candace can manipulate and string along

[15:22] an audience of people who don't realize

[15:24] they are being played. Now, that is the

[15:27] same thing that Harsh was saying

[15:28] yesterday.

[15:30] He's saying that even if there is

[15:31] something there, the way that she's

[15:34] putting the information out is stringing

[15:35] people along. And of course, she's

[15:38] making a crap ton of money off of it.

[15:40] She's already rich. Her husband's rich,

[15:42] and now she's getting insanely insanely

[15:45] filthy rich off of being made the number

[15:47] one podcast and all the advertisements

[15:48] and everything else and the views. So, I

[15:51] get the frustration. you know, if even

[15:53] if you're a huge Kansas fan, anytime

[15:56] that someone says, "I have important

[15:58] details and information." But catch that

[16:00] next week on my next episode should make

[16:03] you wonder a little bit. Instead of

[16:05] being able to grieve properly after one

[16:07] of the most heinous murders in American

[16:09] history, a murder many of us had to

[16:12] witness, my friends have had to endure

[16:15] harassment from people who have gotten

[16:17] whipped up by what Candace is saying. In

[16:20] fact, I would say we have suffered more

[16:22] harassment from these people than we

[16:24] have from Antifa supporters who overtly

[16:27] celebrate Charlie's murder. And just

[16:30] like a lot of those Antifa members, many

[16:32] of these people take this delight in how

[16:35] gross and unpleasant they can be. What

[16:37] our friends have had to endure is not

[16:39] funny and it's not insignificant. It is

[16:42] evil. I have seen it. Now this would be

[16:47] if in the case that this is say this is

[16:50] all untrue. Say everything that she's

[16:52] saying and all the allegations against

[16:53] them are are false. Just imagine the

[16:57] damage financially reputation within

[17:00] their families, their friends, TPUSA's

[17:03] future. Just imagine how much damage

[17:05] could have been done by that. So I'm

[17:08] surprised at this point that there

[17:10] aren't major legal battles and they may

[17:12] be brewing in the background.

[17:15] Maybe they're kind of waiting to address

[17:17] her and that kind of stuff because

[17:18] they're getting legal stuff ready. But I

[17:20] mean, if nothing pans out, this is a

[17:23] huge smear campaign against TPUSA.

[17:27] >> For months, we have received hundreds,

[17:29] thousands, I suspect, emails and calls

[17:32] asking us to respond. People have wanted

[17:34] us to invite Candace on the show. But

[17:37] for a long time, our approach was to say

[17:40] nothing. We did that for several

[17:41] reasons. First, we've first we thought

[17:45] that her prearications were so absurd

[17:48] that nobody would believe them. We

[17:50] shouldn't have to answer questions about

[17:53] secret tunnels or Egyptian Air Force

[17:55] planes. That sort of thing is just it's

[17:57] beneath contempt to respond to.

[17:59] >> I kind of agree there. Right. There's

[18:01] certain things that um especially if

[18:03] they're not privy to it, right? Say if

[18:05] there was this huge operation and

[18:06] there's all this stuff going on, there's

[18:08] these planes and these other states and

[18:09] things like that involved. What makes

[18:11] you think that Blake would know about

[18:12] it? I mean, even even if he was somehow

[18:15] complicit somewhere along the chain,

[18:17] what makes you think they would let him

[18:18] know every detail of everything that

[18:19] happened? So, I mean, that's one part of

[18:21] it. The other part is, you know, a lot

[18:24] of this stuff because she's basically an

[18:26] investigative reporter,

[18:29] at least right now for this piece. And

[18:31] she is connecting a lot of things that

[18:33] aren't panning out, like you said. And I

[18:36] don't think it's just TPUSA and these

[18:38] guys that are seeing it. There's people

[18:40] all over ex and all over her, you know,

[18:41] YouTube last night in her live stream.

[18:43] As I was watching, people were saying,

[18:45] "Where's the actual evidence?

[18:48] Where's the proof?" You know, you have

[18:50] all these breadcrumbs, but no final

[18:52] destination. So, it it's just getting

[18:55] interesting now. If she is correct, then

[18:58] she would be the ultimate investigator

[18:59] of all time, right? But only time's

[19:02] going to tell who's right and who's not.

[19:05] The second reason we've said so little

[19:07] though is because there's a good rule of

[19:09] thumb which Charlie followed. Do not

[19:11] feed the trolls. Focus on the mission.

[19:13] Reviving America, uplifting young

[19:15] people, making heaven crowded. Don't

[19:17] give air to people who want to tear you

[19:19] down. And so Discord.

[19:21] >> Okay, so this is an issue. So he is

[19:25] saying and he acknowledged earlier that

[19:29] part of the reason they didn't address

[19:30] this yet is because Candace is a good

[19:32] friend of Charlie's. and now he's saying

[19:35] that they're addressing it because she's

[19:36] just a troll. So, it's interesting how

[19:39] there's like the two sides of the same

[19:40] thing, right? They're saying on one

[19:42] side, we're respecting certain things

[19:44] that Charlie probably would have wanted

[19:45] because she, you know, cuz they were

[19:46] good friends. On the other side, he's

[19:48] saying, "Oh, she's just a troll. Don't

[19:49] give her air time."

[19:50] >> Lastly, we didn't respond because

[19:55] Charlie always viewed Candace as a

[19:56] friend, and we were holding out hope

[19:59] >> that she would return that friendship

[20:01] and stop what she was doing.

[20:04] But a week from now, it's going to be

[20:06] three months.

[20:08] >> Now, what he said didn't really make

[20:09] sense. So, TPUSA was built by Charlie

[20:13] and some others. Charlie has passed. His

[20:16] show is not doing as well as it was

[20:18] before because he's obviously not on it.

[20:20] And they're they're scrubbing some of

[20:22] his old content. So, they're kind of

[20:24] erasing Charlie slowly over time, right?

[20:26] And he's saying that

[20:29] he would have thought that Candace would

[20:30] have returned the friendship. Well, she

[20:32] wasn't friends with TPUSA.

[20:34] She wasn't friends with Blake. She was

[20:36] friends with Charlie. So, what he said

[20:38] didn't really make sense. It's like he's

[20:39] trying to get let off easy because he

[20:42] was a friend of Charlie's or a co-orker

[20:44] of Charlie's. I don't necessarily think

[20:45] that's how it should work.

[20:46] >> Since Charlie's murder, Candace has not

[20:49] changed her behavior. She has continued

[20:52] to spread falsehoods about Charlie's

[20:54] friends, and she continues to concoct

[20:56] new ones about new people. She's using

[20:59] these falsehoods to enrich herself while

[21:02] dividing the conservative movement at an

[21:04] absolutely critical time for this

[21:06] country.

[21:07] >> She is making a ton of money and a lot

[21:09] of creators are. But these guys are

[21:11] making a lot of money, too. So, I heard

[21:14] they made like 80 million or 50 million

[21:17] off of selling like t-shirts like he was

[21:19] wearing that day, the freedom t-shirt.

[21:21] So, they're cashing in on it, too. Not

[21:22] to mention they've grown multiple new

[21:24] chapters. They've opened more churches

[21:26] or brought more churches into the TPUSA

[21:28] fold, TPUSA faith fold I should say, and

[21:32] you know, they have more pledges and

[21:33] more donations than ever. So, they're

[21:36] cashing in on this, too. And far too

[21:39] often we here have heard from ordinary

[21:41] people, people who loved Charlie and who

[21:43] Charlie loved so much in return. These

[21:46] people have expressed the worry that we

[21:48] are staying silent out of cowardice or

[21:50] as some sort of tacit admission that

[21:52] some of the attacks are true. Neither is

[21:54] the case. Our silence has never been and

[21:57] it will never be equal to complacency or

[22:01] approval. Still, we decided Charlie

[22:05] would not allow this to go on. Charlie

[22:07] was not a coward. Charlie was a fighter.

[22:10] Charlie would not allow someone to

[22:12] spread lies about the people closest to

[22:15] him with impunity. And he would feel

[22:17] ashamed if other people were stepping up

[22:19] to defend his friends while he never did

[22:21] so himself. Candace has mentioned

[22:23] several times that the ball is in our

[22:26] court. So, here's what is going to

[22:28] happen in the near future. There will be

[22:31] a live stream here in Phoenix where we

[22:33] address in a clear and comprehensive way

[22:36] the claims and accusations, the false

[22:39] accusations that have been made against

[22:41] Charlie's family, friends, and the

[22:43] people here at Turning Point. We plan to

[22:45] walk through everything carefully and

[22:47] thoroughly. If Candace is available, we

[22:49] would sincerely welcome her

[22:51] participation in that live stream at our

[22:54] studio here in Phoenix.

[22:56] >> So, they have made this offer to her to

[22:58] come live in the studio and debate this

[23:01] stuff. I believe she's already accepted.

[23:03] She said she would meet him in Phoenix

[23:05] and she actually asked them to do it

[23:06] like today, like immediately. And he's

[23:08] saying it's going to be sometime in the

[23:09] future, a live stream and uh they go

[23:12] back and forth about the different

[23:13] things. Obviously, she would have to

[23:14] bring her security team and make sure

[23:15] she's safe there because they want her

[23:17] to go to Arizona where the offices are.

[23:20] But I'm not sure if much would come from

[23:22] this because she would be throwing

[23:25] everything at them with her receipts,

[23:28] but no proof of any wrongdoing

[23:30] necessarily. And then on their end,

[23:31] they're going to be defending themselves

[23:33] just to try and save face and make

[23:35] themselves look good regardless of what

[23:37] the allegations are. So, I don't know if

[23:39] anything would even come out of it

[23:41] because does [clears throat] she have

[23:43] actual proof of anything? If she does,

[23:45] she hasn't shown it. She's shown

[23:48] interesting things and coincidences and

[23:50] you know whatot, but no actual like

[23:52] because of XYZ from A to B, this is how

[23:55] Charlie got killed. So, and I don't know

[23:57] if she'll ever be able to. So, in this

[23:59] case, while this would probably get a

[24:01] lot of views, I'm not sure if it's going

[24:03] to actually have anything useful come

[24:04] out of it. I wouldn't get sucked into

[24:06] that trap either. We believe the ball is

[24:08] back in her court. Our motivation for

[24:11] doing this is not out of any obligation

[24:13] to Candace. It is about honoring

[24:15] Charlie. We feel a deep responsibility

[24:18] to protect his legacy, his work, and the

[24:20] truth. I feel that.

[24:22] >> So, they said they want to protect his

[24:24] legacy, yet they're deleting his old

[24:26] videos and his old podcasts off of

[24:28] different platforms. Explain that to me.

[24:31] So, I know that one was a little bit

[24:32] long-winded, but what are your thoughts

[24:33] on this? Do you think TPUSA is lying?

[24:36] you think she's lying? And even more

[24:37] important, what I'm starting to think is

[24:40] that neither side knows the truth and

[24:42] they're just attacking each other

[24:43] because they don't know what else to do

[24:44] at the moment. So, put your thoughts

[24:46] down below and as always, like,

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[24:50] I'll see you on the next one.