Ian Carrol Analyses Jon Aaron Bray's Explosive Microphone Theory: Shaped Charge Analysis of Charlie Kirk Incident

kind of opened up the idea that they would need a pathy and then >> bingo bingo that opens up the idea that they would need a psych [music] >> information is the oxygen of the democracy. >> There's so much evidence out there that even if [music] less than 1% is true that enough to collapse the current paradigm and change the whole planet. asking, "Did you see the Trigger Smart interview with Aaron John Aaron Bray?" That's literally what we're about to watch. I just spent my whole morning watching their longer version and I'm one hour of the way through it. And at a certain point, I was like, "Dude, we just got to watch this all together cuz this is probably one of the most compelling and important theories that's come out so far." And I got to say, I was pretty dismissive of the exploding microphone theory um pretty early on. And I think that came out of ignorance um to the concept of shaped charges and to the intricate dynamics of how more than one version of an explosion could be happening here. And thank goodness [snorts] for people like John Aaron Bray that stayed on it and really dug it open and are here now to explain it in great detail um in a way that makes it make a lot more sense. Um, and I know a lot of you guys have been saying it was the mic since day one. And for me, what really gets me thinking on this train of thought is the shirt. The shirt. We've had enough time now to explore enough theories, to talk about the bullets enough times that the shirt needs to make sense. And ultimately, I don't think anyone, especially when when Bray talks about the speed at which the shirt lifts up and the frames in which the shirt lifts up. And when you actually analyze how much time it took for the shirt to lift up, you have to have an explanation for that. And honestly, I don't know as a rifle round explains it. Um, I would be very interested to hear Valhalla's uh take on it. Um, the black stuff in the car is a big data data point here for sure. Lastly, are drones, but uh, so Sam Parker is currently on X digging into drones and actually examining Frank Turk's phone screen during the event in extreme detail. And I think Sam Parker is on to something that Frank Turk seemed to be watching surveillance footage or something on his phone. He definitely wasn't FaceTiming and we're definitely not seeing reflections on his phone. And it's interesting. And I haven't gotten a chance to look at Sam Parker's latest piece of that expose. What are we talking about? We're talking about the exploding microphone theory and we're going to watch a video from one of the best explanations I've seen so far about it. I've been very skeptical of the exploding microphone theory because obviously an explosion would like explode in every direction and it would leave charring on his shirt and like obviously we would see an explosion if it happened and the microphone wouldn't stay on his shirt. Duh. So there was all these elements that I was dismissive of the exploding microphone theory um because of a basic understanding of explosions without getting into depth about shaped charges and all the other types of things. We're going to spend uh probably an hour or so going through this exploding microphone theory and just uh talking about it and we're going to watch Trigger. Big shout out to Triggers. Um, if you're not already familiar, Trigger Smart on YouTube, give him a subscribe, give him a like, give him a share. Um, because this guy's doing amazing work. He's been doing amazing work from the start. And it's good that we have objective investigators taking all different angles on this um, thing. A little bit of housekeeping here. They had some audio issues. Um, and so the gal whose name I forget, uh, her audio was not John John Aaron Bray, the guy that's going to come on and explain the theory, he wasn't able to hear her audio the whole time. So, I assume that they've cut it in a way that it doesn't get in the way in this edit, but she's just hanging out and only her and these two guys can talk to each other, but she can't talk to the guest that's about to come on. So, if there's some weird stuff about that, that's why. >> Let me get our audio. John, did you want to introduce yourself? >> I'm uh John Bray and John Aaron Bray on next. >> How's that audio? >> John has been very in-depth covering the microphone theory and he has a lot of data to back it up. >> He has some visuals and he's also it's basically been his day one theory. Um did you want to tell us kind of like how you got into like what what made you kind of go this route? Not not super in detail, but just kind of like a high level. >> Um well, immediately I saw the video and I thought it was AI cuz it just looks so strange to me. And then um my my background is in body armor. I developed the um refurbishing program for the army for their So this dude's a nerd. He's a science nerd and he develops body armor which you'll see as his as his expertise is on display throughout the interview. You'll get a sense for like, oh, that's why this dude is so freaking smart and so nerdy. And he understands these various physics components. He understands ballistics components. He understands imaging and modeling components for um all these things. And obviously he's also drawing outside of his like direct expertise in this um theory and analysis. But it becomes quite apparent that bro knows his >> IOTVs OTVs. So I saw how his shirt deformed and I was certain that he had body armor on, but you know within the end of the day it was pretty obvious they didn't. So I started to basically run analysis on it and that led me to the microphone. >> And yes, that is he is holding the exact same microphone as Charlie Kirk is wearing. That is correct. Um, the only sorry he's holding the same microphone that Charlie Kirk was holding on the day. >> Thing that could really convince me is is that he was shot in the chest. That's that's the from from the physical, you know, >> they'll mention this later. I hope they have it in this edit. He mentions this in the interview later on that actually when you think back to the original reporting there was reporting that his chest was caved in. There was that's all gone out the window now. We never see or hear that anymore. But during the first few days, like right when it happened, there were some reports that were saying that his chest was caved in at the hospital and we didn't know what the that was about. >> Evidence and the the energetic kind of uh dispersion. That's the only thing that could make any sense to me. >> Fair. What about some people talking about Iran coming in and hitting his necklace and bouncing up? >> I just find that really unlikely. It's just the the other uh if you've seen um Jesse on Fire and uh Heavy Duty Country Dan's um if you've seen the new video of their their rounds. Uh it would just be another data point to let you know that no the bullet >> I am starting to get very confused. >> The bullet could not have been stopped by a necklace. It couldn't have been deflected by a necklace. There's not a chance. Um, here's our boys. Heavy duty country and Jesse on fire. [panting] >> This is Jesse. >> They make all types of short >> brother. Sup? [laughter] >> No, this Jesse >> Jesse, my little brother. Um, they're both gangsters. Jesse's a beast. Uh, so check out where they shoot through the freaking cinder blocks here. >> Oh boy. Oh my lord. >> Nice. Just explodes Completely explodes Threw two whole rows of meat. Explodes a cinder block. Pushes the other cinder block off the table. No necklace is doing to that bullet, right? Okay. >> It exploded. >> It exploded. Then they shoot through a metal. >> That's a direct hit. >> They shoot a little a little steel. direct hit. >> Holy That >> And when I first watched the video, I thought he missed even though Jesse said he hit it. >> Here's the video. I thought he'd missed just cuz like I don't know. But then you can see the hole right there in the middle. >> straight through the plate. [sighs and gasps] And that's a steel plate designed for shooting. It's designed to take rounds. So it's just not designed to take 30 six rounds. So, um, the necklace obviously did not deflect this bullet at all. >> Um, objects that are involved in the movement. It >> Dude, if that actually hit Charlie, it would have been a whole different scene. It would have been so up. That would have been the most up video on the internet. Oh my god. I'm [sighs] Dude, that would have been really messed up. Even more messed up than it was. just doesn't they don't the the energy doesn't align to that sort of scenario. The whole reason I started to do the whole vector map uh pixel flow was to try to pinpoint where the bullet may have hit him in his bulletproof vest, but in the middle of kind of creating the code to run that. Um it became obvious that he didn't have a vest on the pictures with, you know, you could see his nipples and then it was just, you know, the back line of where he's hunched over in his seat. There's there's no way even a um executive vest could be concealed to that point. >> I even had reporting like in the days following that I had people telling me that Charlie had a special like topend military bulletproof vest that was designed to look like bare chest underneath his so it was like shaped with like nipples and stuff so that it would be disguised and you wouldn't know he was wearing a a vest. And I was like, "Dude, I don't know, man. [laughter] I don't know, man." Um, we definitely know he was not wearing a vest at this point. That's been confirmed left, right, and center. [snorts] But, you know, there was a lot of unknowns at the start. There was a lot of unknowns at the start. But there there was a lot of people's perspectives that got kind of deflected by the vest, so to speak, by the concepts that we all kind of looked at at the start. And I think that a lot of people's attention to the shirt sort of dissipated because we kind of wrapped it into this vest question. And then we never revisited the shirt quite so much. Because if you remember, we were only watching the original video footage online for like 3 or 4 days before the blanket went down and you weren't allowed to watch the raw footage anymore. And [snorts] then people are posting on YouTube and YouTube has restrictions. And so it's been a long time since most people have seen the original footage all the way through the shot. Um, so I did pull up uh some of the original high quality footage um that I had available here. Um, I haven't looked through to see if I have a ton of different angles, but we might go through some of that footage uh frame by frame a little later. Um, not to watch the bloody part. Uh, hopefully we'll avoid that, but to watch the shirt part hopefully. Um, we'll see. We'll see if we get there or not. So then that left me just to run the um the code as I had it and I immediately noticed that there was kind of a epicenter in the center upper sternum of his shirt. Um and that led me to kind of start to question the the three main kind of energetic centers of the event which is the shirt that pulled up to his face basically almost to his cheek. uh magnetic clasp that moved across his neck. And what I first thought was a uh lanyard wire to like an earpiece flying over his head, but it wasn't even a day into the event that someone pointed out that he didn't have an earpiece on. That became pretty obvious. >> And then a better quality video became available and it was pretty obvious that it was his necklace that flew up and over his head and it wasn't, you know, a wire. So then I was left with three different things that kind I had to figure out to explain how they were they were obviously tied together because they moved they started movement at the same time and they kind of moved in in kind of opposite directions of each other. The shirt you know pulling up on his face and the magnetic clasp kind of moved opposite of each other at first and then the magnetic clasp flows back across his chest as this as the shirt relaxes. Um, and then the the necklace was what really what puzz puzzled me the most because it's the most >> I really want John Bray to watch the footage from behind that Candace saw. I very much want him to watch that footage just to confirm things. >> Energetic object of the event. It moved the quickest. It had the most amount of energy kind of displaced in it and it was enough. >> And real quick before we get far away from this, I have his video queued up here so that we don't have to watch this is on his X feed. Um, and I have it paused at a point where it's in the gore, but we're not like watching the gore. And part of what he talks about that he'll talk about later, and you should go to his X feed and watch this on his X feed because X doesn't have censorship um in this regard at least. So you can actually watch this whole video. But see this this thing right here. He has this video that somewhat tracks this apparent object frame by frame. And it does seem to be a angular chunk falling in the blood flow. A like kind of ahead of the blood flow as though the blood had pushed it out. We're going to play just like two frames of it here. And you'll watch it go from here down to here. And just notice that this is not a liquid flow. This appears to be a solid something that is moving with the flow. I have it muted as well. Or I don't have it. Or I don't have it muted. Now I have it muted. Oh, that was so fast. Okay. See that? See that piece? Maybe it's a droplet. But the more the frames of this that you analyze, the more it looks like it has squared cornered edges and seems to be a distinct physical object. Um, I don't know if Twitch allows gore or not, but I'm also going to clip this onto YouTube, and I just want to maximize the possibility that other people can see it. Um, and so I highly recommend that people go and follow John Bray, J O N A R O N B R A Y, on Twitter, and go watch this for yourself. He posted this video on December 4th. It's not super far down his timeline. Um, he doesn't post excessively. And you could just search for the f the phrase a distinct black rectangular damn it a distinct black rectangular object. And he he even does approximate measurements based upon the size. And it looks weird. Um I might go and look for other frames of it off screen here for a second while he talks. Enough energy to actually break the necklace. So then I refined the code to really hone in on those those details. And um my first runs the red dots are m mapping the epicenter frame to frame. So every frame there's pixel movement and wherever there was the most pixel movement in the frame it it maps it with a red dot. When there's a lot of movement going on it can it just it can be random. But when you have a lot of quick movement it's pretty accurate especially when you have multiple angles. So between the two front angles that we had, um I was able to basically pinpoint the epicenters around his sternum and then I noticed that the magnetic class kind of followed that. So that led me to kind of um investigate what the magnetic clasp was all about. And then I found the model of the microphone. And then >> um one of the first things that uh I know he's not the most exciting speaker on the planet. That's not his job. He's a nerd. His job is to be really really smart. Um and our job is to try to decode the really really smart and make it accessible to lots of people. And one of the first things that was confusing to me is like or that that had me um questioning the microphone theory is that I know how these microphones work. I think I have one around here somewhere. Um they have a magnet that goes underneath or on the other side of the shirt. You can put it on the front or on the back. And then the magnet pins through the shirt and it's like they're not that strong. Like they're strong but they're not that strong. Obviously it would just blow off. Do I have one? My f my my little microphone must be somewhere else. That's all right. It's not essential at all. Um, so I was trying to get around that and he addresses that quite directly later. They ask him that question. >> Then the pictures of them kind of mounting it on it. >> What we'll do is we'll speed up speed up a little bit. >> In the past, how did he wear the microphone? And um when he first got the mic, he wore it on the outside of his shirt and then it slowly kind of evolved and then they put it underneath his shirt. And that day it's it's kind of like mounted in a pecular way that it's it's almost like standing on its side where the mag it's kind of bes peak maps right below that like kind of 45 degrees like a trajectory that matches what you would expect if the bottom of that microphone kind of blew out. So then I found a video of someone actually disassembling the mic and then I saw where the battery was and the battery was right in that area. So that led me to start investigate like what could this battery been modified somehow. And then so when you listen to these theories, [clears throat] don't just listen for like the theory itself. I'm always listening for the details of how they came to that conclusion to backineer their logical process to judge is this a logical person? Have they adjusted for variables? Have they thought about how they might be incorrect? Have they double-checked themselves? Have they, you know, done all the due diligence required to make their thought process more trustworthy? And often that's not very entertaining to listen through, but it's critical for an actual like process of inquiry in order to get down to the truth. And that's like that's the kind of researcher you want doing this sort of thing. It was even a year ago before that event that the uh Grim Pager or Grim Beeper attacks, the the MSAD paged attacks happened and I I studied those and I realized that you know those pagers were in circulation for over a decade before they were detonated and the batteries went through airport scanners. They were completely functional that whole time. >> That's completely functional. >> Yeah. That that really opened my mind to the fact that Charlie's microphone was the older model. He had those microphones for quite a while and he's traveled all over. So there's ample opportunity for someone to get a hold of it. And you can see how quickly you can get the battery out of it. You don't need to solder anything. You can just pop it out and basically replace it with a loaded battery and the user would never know. You could go on using it. It would have approximately 75% of the the charge capacity and you it would take someone that would use it all the way empty all the time to even notice that it changed. So that made it plausible. And then >> can you imagine how crazy it would have been though if Charlie had just gotten a little more paranoid and had checked the batteries on his electronics? That'd be crazy, dude. Um, English is your second language, so it's quick. Here's what I'll do is I'll try turning on captions for you. I know it won't help a ton, but it maybe it'll help a little bit. And >> I started to study the injuries from the pager attacks, which they were the pagers themselves were were alkaline batteries. They were round like double A style batteries. So, they left like black residue, but they didn't leave any >> key point right here. Key point. Two different kinds of battery packs leaving two different types of residue. >> Burns and they didn't really like char the victims. And it was pretty directional. The uh >> So you're saying the the ones in Lebanon did not leave charring? >> Yeah. They what they left was the alkaline battery was like the insides of the alkaline battery like a black residue from the alkaline battery. The walkie-talkies that followed the day after they had lithium batteries and they didn't leave any charring or any residue. They were pretty >> see how what what I'm hearing in the background here is that he studied not he didn't just like look up a few news articles about the pager attacks. He went and actually looked at the individual instances and compared what type of charge was this one and that one, which type of battery was this one and that one, what's an image of each of these attacks and images of each of these attacks. And yeah, funny funny frame of her. Um, and I didn't realize that the lithium battery charges didn't leave any charring because that was one of the main critiques I always had of the explosive theory is that like we would see evidence of an explosion. But like between it being a shaped charge and and built into the lithium ion battery pack like that, maybe we wouldn't actually >> pretty much clean. Um, so that's where I was like, well, that's that's bizarre because immediately, you know, like everyone else, you think explosion, you think it's going to be like a a lot of radial damage. There'll be charring and residue left. So that opened up to the possibility that it could be a completely clean burn. Um, but then I was kind of perplexed like why would why would someone go through the effort of this and not have a means to cover it up, right? If if they killed Charlie with a a loaded microphone bomb, everyone would know who it is. So that kind of opened up the idea that they would need a psy and then >> bingo. Bingo. That opens up the idea that they would need a psy because the first thing you think when you think an exploding microphone is you think of exploding pagers. But there is a you know there is precedent for um technological advances like that being repurposed and retoled and reused. Um, so [snorts] sorry, I'm getting distracted over here by some of these planes. Probably nothing. Probably nothing. Just keep my eyes out. Just keep my eyes out. I've got two different trackers running. And the rifle kind of made sense to me, like the whole the weirdness and stranges about it. But I put my mind in kind of the conspirators, right? If I wanted to pull this sort of event off, I would want the wound and the event to look like a rifle shot. And in my mind immediately, what I thought was it looked like a chess shot. So then I was like, what if this was designed to be to mimic a chess shot of a 36 36. >> So let's talk about that really quick because a lot of people are going to [snorts] >> So I know a little bit more than you guys do about what Baron has and what Baron's talking about. And I'm not going to give any of his away. not going to jump the shark on Baron's expose, but when it comes out, it's going to be explosive, so to speak. Let's just say that. Um, and I think it's all going to fit very neatly into this emerging theory. I think there's a couple pieces that still need to fit into place that sort of don't exactly align. Maybe it's like old hangers on from other theories that have built into this that don't really um actually fit into this kind of amalgamated version of what probably happened. But I think we're honing in on what what happened here. And I think Baron holds some key pieces of evidence and you're not going to want to miss. I don't know whether he's going to do it this week or next week. I [clears throat] don't know. But I admire that Baron takes his time to really run down all of his leads and be very thorough um before he breaks things. But when he breaks that story, it's going to break everything wide open. I think I think it's going to change the whole conversation. And he's hinted at it a lot. If you've been listening carefully, you can kind of put together what's what's going on there. Especially last night, he dropped some major hints last night. to say like what what's your official explanation as to why the official narrative wouldn't work? >> Well, it's because it's the order of events. So you when you watch the events unfold in slow >> I love that he has a totally different explanation for why the mainstream theory doesn't work. And his is just as obviously true as just saying like a 306 would blow his head off. Um, but his is a completely separate and distinct analysis of why it wouldn't work being the timing of the shirt and the things that raise up in different directions before the wound appears, before the cavitation happens. Um, that is extremely compelling and I can't believe that more of us didn't think to say that. motion frame by frame. The necklace, the microphone movement, and the shirt all precede the appearance of the neck one. And with a high velocity impact to the neck, the zone two of the neck particular, you would have instantaneous effects, right? You would have automized blood. You would have cavitation. There's no way that you would have it's 43 seconds delay from when the shirt first moves to when you see the neck wouldn't even appear. And it's >> and remember, this guy works for the military refurbishment body armor programs. He's very familiar with the kind of things he's talking about here. >> A whole second before blood appears out of the neck wound. >> Yeah, that's the strangest part to me is that delay. >> So then I studied uh you know the forensics of high velocity impacts and there's there's so much you know um case studies on it and and examples of people being shot in the neck in the exact same area and nothing about it made sense. There's there's no high velocity blood no blood automization. Um, and then the stranges of the leaked autopsy reports like them trying to say that the C1 was hit when you know the trajectory was almost impossible for that to happen and then like it traveled down to the C6 and that I just couldn't understand why they would go through efforts to try to explain that. But >> to kind of the the aftermath, right? So once I thought I had a solid grasp on what caused the shirt to move, what caused the necklace to move, what caused his body to react in the way it did, the way his his hands grasp together, his his I think this is the last missing piece that needs to sort of be wrapped up into [snorts] whatever this theory is that's emerging. Um because I think that these guys do a good a good job of explaining why electrocution doesn't exactly make sense. And I'm sure they'll get to that in a moment here. [snorts] And we do have the understanding that a you know base brain stem injury will cause the decorticate posturing response the sort of like hands curling in but without a high velocity impact of a rifle round even with it it's still not hitting the right part of his brain stem by our understanding by my understanding. But without that bullet impact, it's like what's causing Charlie's posturing as he dies. Is it is is I don't know. Is we we need some experts to talk about like if there's an injury to the heart like what if there what if this shape charge actually blew a hole in his chest straight through to his heart. Um or what if there's some other device going on? What if is it possible that that's just from severing the corateed artery? I don't believe so. Um, so I don't know. Uh, I don't know how you square his posturing and the the physical response we saw from his body when he got hit, but everything else is circling in on pretty >> his elbows lift up and his arms come in and particularly his legs. If you look at his legs, his knees immediately come together and he lifts himself out of the chair. >> And so that that's that's indicating that he had midbrain and brain stem damage. And then that made perfect sense to me. That's why they have to lean on the C1 damage because that's the only way that you could have that sort of physical reaction from u a ballistic impact outside of a headshot. It would have to be at the very base of the of the spine for a bullet to cause a physical reaction like that. So, you know, it made me think that possibly the the narrative was being crafted kind of on the fly. And so then I started questioning that the >> the narrative was definitely being crafted on the fly for sure. wound like the the bleeding of the neck wound, the delayed bleeding of it and the shape of it and particularly the trajectory of the magnetic clasp which basically tells you the trajectory of the whole microphone. Right? They were connected together and how it they lined up perfectly with where the wound appeared and then the wound had this strange you know rectangular appearance and the delayed bleeding. If you look very closely frame by frame, you can actually see the def deformation of the of the flesh. >> Acute reflex posturing. Acute reflex posturing refers to involuntary stereotype motor responses that occur immediately following a traumatic brain injury. And then there's different types of acute reflex posturing. I presume, right? You're a doctor. Am I correct in my layman's understanding that acute reflex posturing is the categorical term and then there's different types of acute reflex posturing including decorticate and derebrate right yeah and those would I would assume would depend on where the injury exactly occurred to what brain material spinal material separating brain stem from spinal cord. Yes. Boom. Cool. Um, the most recognized form is the fencering response, the unilateral extension of one arm and flexion of the contra contraateral arm like this, which you guys can't see. That's interesting. I've seen that actually in uh extreme sports, which is kind of dark to think about. [clears throat] Doesn't have to be above cortex. You were making coffee. What did you miss? Only some homies solving the case. Pers had been in play for a decade. Yeah. Your dad thinks the AJ we see now is a clone. Having lived in Austin and knowing his personal trainer and knowing his whole team, he's not a clone. But he has changed um the fencing response. Uh really quickly, let's just get a layman's understanding. Decorticate posturing versus deceit. Derebrate. The corticate posture is characterized by arms flexing towards the body, clenched fists. In contrast, deserbrate posture involves the arms and legs fully extended, wrists and fingers fingers curled. So we definitely did not see derebrate posturing. Correct. Doctors, we saw what looked a lot more like decorticate posturing, but obviously, right, uh doctors that are in the chat, do you guys feel confident that it was f like 80% or 90% yes, that was decorticate posturing, or is it the kind of thing where it's like it looked like it, but it's hard to say for sure because obviously decorticate? My layman understanding would be that it it seemed pretty obvious that that posturing was like very much it was very much a thing but I always hesitate to it was decorticate and you are a nurse practitioner thank you I appreciate that expertise 95% sure decorticate cool and so dorticate would indicate injury to brain stem not spinal cord right spinal cord would would be deserebrate which would be sticking out your arms. Also happens in seizures. Good point. That's a good point. Miami melo. Yeah. So yes. So yes, correct, Vendy. What we are then extrapolating is that it hit in theory something affected the brain stem or the brain not the spine. Grandma. Interesting. Half. Um, does anyone have any sense, uh, any of you doctors and nurses, do you have a sense of whether you can get decorticate posturing from electric shock or from seizure induction or from Yeah, you have epilepsy and that's exactly what happens. Or just other brain aneurysms. That's interesting. That's interesting. Yeah, we're going to need some expert takes on camera because obviously I love you chat, but we can't trust chat as a source. Chat is a fun way to kind of like guide the investigation for sure though. Um, sorry, my computer keeps on changing the size of everything, seizures for sure caused by the cyclomite explosive. But the thing is that the cyclomite explosive is down here in front is the idea. Yeah. Watch anyone who's ever been tased. Yeah. Exactly right. Not a result of electrocution. Jay Love. I I would argue that I've seen similar posturing and tasings, but I ain't no expert, but he uh John is going to talk about the plant that exploded, and we might dig a little deeper into it. >> That's just the trajectory of the um the microphone, the direction it was traveling. So, So, a quick question that people are going to have is are you saying that the microphone itself exploded or you saying that something exploded out of the microphone towards his neck? >> I I believe that the microphone was designed to replicate a 30 off a 30 off six impact to the chest and there was unforeseen shrapnel that came off of the microphone, the ca either the battery or the magnetic clasp that struck his neck that they didn't prepare for. And so, when the very obvious neck wound became kind of the center point of the event, they had to shift the narrative from a chest shot to a a single neck shot. And they had to explain the physical reactions that we we all saw by you know the the C1 impact and the you know the vertebrae damage when when in reality I believe he probably had chest damage too. And if you remember there was leaks from the hospital that described massive chest damage his chest was caved in and even some of the first reports of uh the autopsy which I have been they've been >> um the New York Times article even mentioned uh chest but then it was redacted and it's changed later and you can't find any mention of that again. But the the whole even the first uh witness that I saw from the crowd said that he was shot in the chest and blood came out from underneath the shirt. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, you know, it's I feel like that there was a scramble to cover up any chest wound because they only had a single rifle shot and you can't have two different wounds with a single rifle shot. And I think that explains the stranges at the hospital with the phys physicians and the uh surgeon not be able to go back in and then um you know autopsies ordered overnight and then flying him out and then the uh security footage from the hospital getting confiscated. It all just seemed kind of out of the ordinary and unnecessary unless you had something to hide, like a very obvious chest swing, right? >> So, so just real quick, sorry to cut you off there. Um, some people are saying that he sounds nervous. Yeah, this is not what he does. He does not do podcasts. He does not do interviews regularly. So, we're going to be giving him some grace because he is not doing this on a regular basis. So, >> and I would say that for anyone to hop on a live stream and completely, you know, flush out their entire very complicated theory, you know, amongst all these people online is is a nerve-wracking thing. So, I John, I think you're knocking it out of the park. You're doing a great job. Hey chat, vote in the chat. Is it nerve-wracking or nerve-wracking? Because it's nerve-wracking, right? It's not nerve-wracking. It's nerve-wracking. It's racking, right? It's rack. Cool. I'm not the I'm not the idiot here. I'm not saying she's an idiot either. We all have these little things. Candace is actually the queen of like saying the little thing a little differently, which I think is hilarious. Get wrecked, baby. Yeah. getting racked. >> All right. So now some people are asking to have you explain this. So um and actually you said that you either wrote software or you use software for this. So who um I guess you want to walk people like through the software piece of it like how you came up with this kind of grid that shows where the the pressure and the power and energy was. >> Yeah. So I took the MT Labs the MIT labs optical flow software and I modified it to specifically look for epicenters frame to frame. So what it's doing is looking frame to frame to video and looking on how the pixels move. It's because his shirt has those freedom texts across it and u you know his shirt's white and then we have the black magnetic clasp on the shirt. It gives us a lot of vectors to to track. So basically the software is looking at every frame and it's mapping the movement in between those frames and then it's putting a red circle on epicenter of those movements. Does that make sense, chat? That it's tracking [clears throat] the pixel movements in the camera in the footage and the red dot is appearing wherever um wherever the single greatest point of movement happens. Interesting that right then it's right there. Don't know why. >> And you can see the the the color mapping is is showing you where the areas of the highest movement. So it kind of shows you the previous frame where the movement moved from the previous frame to the next skin. >> Yeah. >> And Baron is drawing a lot of attention to this one underneath his armpit >> down here and I know why. And when Baron shows that evidence, it's going to be wild. >> Yeah. Okay. So like in this one, is the red circle where the focus is or is that just >> the red circle is where the the peak movement happened from the previous frame to that frame across >> and you see the heat frame from where the text was. It's showing you the text was in the previous frame. it was there. And then you can see where the text on his shirt is now where where the the shirt pulls up across his face. >> Yeah. >> So here you can actually tell that this piece of shirt is already actually actually already reached its top height and is about to come down. >> Okay. So quick question on this. So, this is a separate theory that I'll probably ask you about, but the electric >> if it was actually a rifle round going through the into the neck and then the shirt responding to that, you would think that it would be like bam, cavitation, and then airwave then pushes the shirt out and the airwave pushing fabric would be fast obviously, but like bro, theory, he was saying that, you know, he was trying to explain like the burn under his like chest, nipple area, But in your stuff you're showing here, it's not that low. Correct. It's higher up on his chest. >> Yeah. And and the other angle maps it slightly different. Um you know, because the pixels are going to be different from different angles. Um but they're both in that general area. >> Okay. So they're both kind of by the f of freedom. >> Yeah. Exactly. The shape charge theory basically is that it's not like a general basic explosive. It's not a radial force. It has a um a small charge and a cone and it basically directs a a high energy jet out of the cone. So it's made to penetrate armor, but you can use it on soft targets, too. And it allows you to create a wound that's very similar to a rifle wound where it leaves a deep wound channel and it'll it'll even leave copper fragmentation into the wound. So, did you hear that? A shape charge is designed to leave a deep directed wound path that would mimic very much a rifle round and will even leave copper fragmentation in the wound sometimes. And this dude manufactures and repairs body armor. the squib stuff. Baron's gonna bring the squib stuff back later. [snorts] And again, maybe the theory sounds stupid to you, but you need a version of events that accounts for the movement of the shirt at that insane speed. At that insane speed, the shirt responded before anything else. Basically, >> what we're seeing the shirt moving is the overpressurization. So the pressure that didn't penetrate the flesh basically is escaping through the shirt and that's what causes the shirt to balloon up and move so much that the shirt that pulls up across his face on the opposite side of the microphone is actually from his necklace. The pendant on his necklace, the cross pendant is pushed down and then it can't go down anymore. So then it follows the kind of the path of the necklace and raises up across and that's what lifts his shirt up across his face. >> Okay. So you're saying the downward pressure of the explosion puts pressure down on the pendant that stretches the necklace. That force builds up and then it pops back up and that's why you see it kind of goes vertically like straight up in the air. >> Yeah. If you can actually see one frame where the cross is peeking out next to his face but it gets caught and the necklace breaks. So then the necklace slides out of the cross pendant and the cross pendant falls back down. And that's why his shirt falls back down so quickly. And then immediately after that, you'll see the appearance of the wound on his neck. >> Okay. So for this, >> you see that part, the the magnetic clasp goes on the back side. So that that part that we're seeing right now that he has a suction cup is against Charlie's chest. And that's the battery is against his chest also. So the if the shape charge was put anywhere, it's going to be putting that gold battery right there. >> No. See how he actually disassembled this specific wireless microphone, analyzed its specific components, its specific build, how it was on his shirt. >> I think with the previous pager attacks and the cell phones, they just replaced a portion of the battery. Correct. >> Right. They basically took uh 20% of the sale and replaced it with the explosive. >> Okay. And [snorts] I I am I think that this theory is compelling. I'm not convinced 100% just like Baron says. Um, but I think it's compelling because the one of the weirdest things about the wound and the blood is the slow flow of blood and the weird size of the wound. Zeb Boyin right from the start was pointing out and he's a literal ballistics expert and he was pointing out that entry wounds are not that big that the entry wound that the wound is way too big to be an entry wound even for a 30 six which we know it can't be. And um and so then the the ne the very next point is okay we have questions. >> What actually causes a wound like that and what actually causes bleeding like that >> but also a little bit they probably did with with this um they just replaced it with a smaller cell battery um a shorter a slightly shorter battery and then they put the shape charge in the end of the space that was left over >> and that would make it so it would still function. They could still live stream and everything with it, but obviously the battery wouldn't last as long. >> Exactly. >> Okay. Now, someone is asking you to explain how the pendant broke one more time just so they can understand it. >> Basically, the pendant, the necklace, >> No, we're not saying that it's an exit wound and the entrance wound is on his chest. He'll get to explaining this. He believes that there is probably a wound on the chest, which is why they had to control the body so thoroughly, but that accidentally a piece of the microphone housing exploded off and probably nicked him in the neck and caused that wound on accident and that that was not intentional. So he'll explain in a little bit how they have a a initial charge that was designed to lift it off of the the chest and then pow it was supposed to then shoot him in the chest with it so to speak. But he believes that because of the way the microphone was resting on Charlie's shirt kind of at an angle like with the shirt a little twisted instead of rising it off the shirt chest directly, he believes that it rise it rose sort of at an angle and then exploded at a weird angle and caused a little bit of a piece to fly off and nick Charlie right here and caused that nick in his corateed artery and then the bleeding. That is my [clears throat] understanding of his theory >> was was moved by the force of the the explosion and then it crossed the path of the shape charge. So when that the pendant was pushed down and it and it it met the end of the slack of the necklace and then it's like a pendulum it swung up and started to come out the shirt and that pulled the necklace across and it ended up crossing that peak that we see in the middle of his chest and that's what snapped the necklace and then the momentum of the necklace forced it over his head. So that's why when we see the necklace fly up and over his head it's broken. is a single single strand 26 inches of necklace instead of being you know a loop connected >> and we don't know at this point what the coroner's report said. I've seen some people asking about that and I've I've tried to kind of interject a little bit too. I mean that's part of the problem you guys is that we don't know exactly you know what the corer had to say what the autopsy said what the doctors you know officially said. I mean we're we're going off of third fourth fifth party information. >> And if you're also taking into consideration things like >> oh cool it looks like they got our audio working at some point. Now, Candace is saying that, you know, uh, Kulit never said what he said or that what he said was made up and that the surgeon never said that. We're kind of getting to the point where can we believe anything that's been told so far? >> No, we can't believe a single thing that we've been told by TP USA or anyone that works there. Not a single person. No way. >> We can't believe Turk saying that he found the necklace over top of his bag. We can't believe any reporting about the autopsy, anything about the spinal injuries, anything about the bullet fragmentation. So like the fact that he had broken vertebrae you know and like is that true or anything people are trying to make these other narratives fit that now like what he's electrocuted how do you account for the vertebrae do we even know the vertebrae are broken >> and so why why the speculation because I think uh inquiring minds want to know and there are a lot of us who just cannot stand to sit around and wait for you know a year plus and it's just it just doesn't feel right that's at least I'll speak for myself in saying that I can't just sit around and >> what up Cyclops welcome to the party um and by the way guys while we're talking about this we are gonna get to the explosives plant that manufactures these exact explosives just mysteriously blowing up one month after that shit's suspicious as hell >> and twiddle my thumbs and wait I've got to keep digging >> so the next thing the next movement I guess so explodes it sends that the magnet in the in the mic start to go to the direction of the you know I guess a shape charge would knock it that way >> um so a shape charge has to have a standoff off. You can't that it has to create a jet before it can penetrate. It's not penetrating with brute force. It's actually, you know, creating a high-speed jet that's basically turning anything it contacts into liquid. >> No, we're not saying energy weapons. We're saying shaped explosive charges, which are very normal. They very much exist. This is not not tinfoil that those exist. We've not seen them necessarily used in this way before, but no one had ever seen the pager attack until the pager attack happened either. But um so it needs a 2 cm standoff. So they they would have to design uh a primer charge that kind of um forces the microphone away from his flesh before the the shape charge goes off. And if you look at the particularly um Cub's video, the highest resolution video that's kind of to Charlie's right or left hand side, um you'll you can see that the microphone lifts up and kind of almost touches his face before it starts to make the trajectory across his body. And it's it's my belief that that's the the primer charge creating the standoff space. And that primer charge is what causes the necklace to move. And then once the um the primary charge, the shape charge goes off, it actually snaps the necklace. And that's when you see it break loose and fly over his head. And that's when the trajectory of the microphone's changed from just kind of lifting up to his face to going across his body. Um and at that same time, we have the shirt coming down. So while we have the microphone going the m the magnet clasp and the microphone going across his chest, we have the shirt falling down. And then they kind of like at a certain point cross each other. and you kind of lose sight of the magnetic clasp and then that's when the wound on his neck appears. So if you look at it frame to frame, there's no single frame where you can see both at the same time. You see the you see the magnetic clasp and then you don't see it and then you see a wound on his neck. >> I'm not 100% certain that it is the magnetic clasp. It could be the magnetic clasp or the battery. They're very similar shape. As you saw in the video before, they're both rectangular, but I am sure of the trajectory of the microphone and the trajectory matches perfectly with the appearance of the wound and the microphone kind of snaps back um and you can just see kind of a bulge where it is, but you don't necessarily ever see the full magnetic clasp again. So, it it's it's the timing and the trajectory is what led me to believe that it was a blunt rectangular object from the microphone that causes the neck wound combined with actual um physical, you know, traits of the wound itself. You know, it it's [snorts] not a high velocity wound. That was a medium velocity wound and you know that because of the delayed bleeding and then also the the deformation of the skin. It was just the skin was flexed outwards. It wasn't you know it wasn't like a cavitation from a high energy impact and then the bleeding was was so strange and delayed and we can't show >> and we're a little bit hamstrung by trying to discuss this on YouTube which is a convenient accident because YouTube won't let us show the actual gore of the actual wound and the actual moment. And so you kind of have to go back and take this theory and then reanalyze the original video for yourself in order to make the decision for yourself of whether this makes sense to you or not. [cough] But [clears throat] I'm going to try to get us a little bit of frame analysis without the gore here in a minute. Um, but it is what it is >> here. But I actually have code that has mapped the fluid dynamics of the blood and I've been able to actually track the rectangular object falling out of his neck from two different angles. So, not only not only do we have the trajectory matching the the portion where the wound appears, but also have a rectangular object, flat black object falling out of the wound from two different angles. Also, either the magnetic clasp or the battery. It was something dense and rectangular. >> Okay. So, you don't think it was like shrapnel from the mic exploding? >> That's what I mean. It's it's shrapnel from it, but the the shrapnel was was a dense object being the magnetic clasp or the the um the battery itself. >> Unintentional. >> A lot of people are asking like how can the how can the mic and the and the mic magnet go towards like anywhere? Shouldn't it just explode away from the body? >> It's it's because it's a shake charge. Imagine it's it's like a jet. So it's not a explosive where it's a radial explosive where it's just it's exploding in all directions. This is an explosion that has a directed path >> and the only the only expansion comes out of that directed path, the cone. So it's it's like, you know, like a um a rocket engine when you when you launch a rocket engine, it just doesn't explode everywhere. It sends a direct a directed path in one direction and that causes a trajectory and it follows that trajectory quickly. >> So that would mean in this case equal opposite reaction that would mean that the shape charge would have had to been pointed down and away from him. Correct. To push everything up towards him, >> right? And and so the variable comes in is the primer. >> Where did you go to find the unedited video? The original video. You would have had to have download it yourself back then. Um I learned that from this event. And now I'm going to download every video right away. I do have a bunch of original videos, but if you don't have them by now, it's kind of hard to trust anything you're downloading off the internet unless you get it directly from someone that you do trust. Um, [clears throat] but by cross referencing videos to other videos, you can get a little bit of a sense of which ones are original, which ones are not. This one is not, but it's nice because it is extremely high frame rate HD. Um, and I do, although I don't enjoy Jason Goodman all that much, I do trust him a little bit. Um, and regardless, this this angle is useful because it doesn't show the gore. So, we can analyze it a little bit more. We're in a segment where Jason ultra slow mode it. And so, I can grab the slider bar and I can drag it between frames, one frame at a time. And you can see these are three separate frames. Okay? And he has it marked. This is a 60 frames per second video, 4K HDR. And when I drag, so this is before the impact, frame one, frame two. In frame one, the shirt is already moving up. The necklace is already moving up. And by frame two, the necklace is already snapped and the shirt is already up above his chin. And when you just do the math, when you just do the math, even allowing for some error or for some whatever, that is crazy fast. Crazy fast. Physics don't lie, right? You would expect if a 306 were to hit him in the neck, you would expect the round to hit his neck for it to blow straight through for blood to explode all over the place. C massive cavitation event like you sort of like you see with uh the ballistics dummies. Not exactly obviously. And then that outwards blast should cause the shirt to expand away from him and then you know smash back into him or something like that presumably. That's just me thinking it through. But instead, what we get is in frame one of impact already, you can see right here, the shirt is starting to move up. And already the necklace is moving up at drastic speeds. It's so blurred right here, you can't even see where it goes. It's not even in the camera shot. And then by frame two, the necklace is already snapped in back here, and the shirt is already up in front of his neck. by frame two at 60 frames per second. So that's 130th of a second. That's the piece that actually has me considering this theory quite quite seriously. And obviously there's a lot of pieces that still need to get fit into place, but physics don't lie. And you can see that same speed of the how the shirt responds in all of the videos. And for the astute tinfoil wearers out there, I think that's probably a big part of what had them on the exploding microphone theory from the start. >> Charge where they have to create the standoff space. So combined with the odd angle that the microphone was kind of mounted on him. It wasn't mounted flat against his body. It was kind of like stood on its side. And then I'm going to rewind from the start. >> You know, like a um a rocket engine when you uh when you launch a rocket engine, it just doesn't explode everywhere. It sends a direct a directed path in one direction. And that causes a trajectory and it follows that trajectory quickly. >> So that would mean in this case equal and opposite reaction that would mean that the shape would have had to been pointed down and away from him. Correct. To push everything up towards him, >> right? And and so the variable comes in is the primer charge where they have to create the standoff space. So combined with the odd angle that the microphone was kind of mounted on him, it wasn't mounted it flat against his body. It was kind of like stood on its side. And then the standoff charge, which is my belief that they anticipated the mic to be flat on his body. and the standoff charge was made to to raise the microphone directly away from its body before the primary shape charge went off. But because the microphone was kind of mounted on its side, when the standoff charge went off, it lifted it up. So then it changed the trajectory when the shape charge went off, it basically created like a rocket engine that caused it to travel across his chest instead of it directing the charge directly into his chest. And a shape charge is 90% efficient, more than 90% efficient of directing the energy to one direction. So the whole equal and opposite, it doesn't really apply because we're sending less than a gram of metal cone in a high-speed jet into the flesh. So it's not like a bullet or a traditional ballistic where, you know, you're sending a heavy object in the opposite direction. How would this >> I would love to see Nate uh dissect this idea. I would love to see especially Zeb Boyin dissect this idea. Um I would love to see Chris Martinson apply his intellect to this idea. I would love to see the shills try to debunk this idea with serious math and analysis. >> This microphone exploded with enough force to kill someone. So, do you think that this has enough charge to cause all the reaction that we saw in that small of a package? >> It's because it's concentrating. It's like a water jet where you're basically taking all that energy in that in that charge and you're and you're directing it to a very small stream and because it it's you're creating an acceleration because you're forcing this expansive force down a very small cone. >> Is it hard to reproduce? Um, not if you're an explosives expert. I obviously I don't have the expertise to reproduce it. And even most people that are expert marksmen with a rifle, most of them would probably not have the skills to reproduce it. A Valhalla might have some experience with explosives. I don't know. Um I'm not sure, but you would need a very specific type of person to reproduce this safely. >> Um it it reaches >> uh this guy I don't believe is an explosives expert. He's expanding beyond his regular expertise. He's an expert in body armor and he helps repair and design body armor and stuff like that in his current career. >> Mach 7. So anything it contacts it basically turns it to liquid and so it's a deep penetrating. That's why they use flood would be familiar with it to defeat tank armor and things like that. But with soft tissue it's even more devastating because there's not as much resistance. So it would create a deep channel just like a 30 off 6 impact but it would do it with a minimum amount of charge less than two grams. >> So this is one of the pages from Lebanon. >> Yeah. That in particular is the the walkie-talkie. >> Walkie. >> See, he can recognize the photo right off because he's looked through all of not all of but a huge amount of evidence from the pager attacks. Um, that's how you note someone's expertise in a particular topic is when they're familiar with the source evidence. >> Okie dokie. Okay. So, now I'm just bringing this up because with the Candace kind of dropped that bomb in one of our videos saying that there's a little specks, the little black specks on the floor inside of her car. Have you seen that yet? >> Yeah. >> So, the car that Charlie was in and they're saying that that might be from, you know, people are implying that might be from the explosion like pieces of the pager or in this case of the audio um that exploded and these little tiny pieces they're seeing in the car were from that. What do you think about that? >> I believe >> I'm actually the one that sent the message about that. Um [laughter] the >> Yep. Um Stick says, "You can see the lower right side of Charlie's neck looks like it is being pushed up by something." Correct. And he comments on that, too. Um, the type of plastic that you um I don't think they made sure his shirt was tucked in. Do you mean when they carried him out? I don't know. But I do think that it's very likely that when they were rendering aid, what they were actually doing was cleaning up pieces of this operation. If if this is what happened, then that's definitely what they were doing. Hard to say for sure, but that makes me wonder like about the Y refi guy that was just incidentally over top of Charlie for the moment. I wonder what he saw because I can't imagine you're going to tell the fat Y Rei representative about your assassination plot, right? The dude smiling, Rick Cutler, he would be in on it if this happened. That's that's the kind of guy that would know. But the other guy that was standing over the top in the dark shirt, I wonder what he saw. And in the heat of the moment with bodies kind of over top of him, there would have been blood. Like there was going on. That kind of person might not even realize what they did see, but and it wasn't actually a handoff when Rick pointed back or maybe it was actually it might have been Brian that pointed back and the Y refi guy's hand kind of touched his hand. When you look at that in HD and you analyze it, they don't exchange anything between their hands. It's he's pointing and the guy in the dark shirt at first think he thinks that he's taking something from his hand. So he like reaches out to touch his hand. Then he realizes he's being directed to go to the car and he runs and turns around and goes to the car. [snorts and clears throat] >> You see in the floorboard too or would match the plastic you could expect from from that device. So you have flat black plastic and then you have glossy plastic. The glossy plastic is the actual >> Yeah. They were O crap and they surrounded him so you couldn't see his chest. Kind of seems that way. >> Face of the case which the battery is right behind that O there. So that immediate charge would basically shatter that into you know a million little pieces like glass. And then the primary charge would would further >> and then those little pieces would be stuck in Charlie's shirt. And in the car, if this is what happened, you would be the first thing you'd be doing is taking his shirt off and examining the injuries and figuring out what the went wrong and what you're going to need to do about it when you get to the hospital, taking away any evidence. And so that would explain why the shards would get all over the van and you wouldn't be able to clean them up. And you'd have to get rid of that car because it would those shards would just be everywhere. the break the inner core of the um of the device which you showed earlier when the battery was kind of popped out of the device. It's all flat black on the inside of it and um how thin that plastic is when it would break it would just shatter into small little pieces like that from the the the high pressure wave of the um the explosive. Like I said, it's a Mach 7, you know, jet that's going to be coming out of that device. It's just going to completely wreck anything. And it's not a hot explosion. It can reach, you know, 500 degrees, but it does so in such a quick time that it doesn't really get time to transfer away. That's why it doesn't like burn things or leave burns on even on the victim. It would leave a wound that looked a lot like a rifle impact. >> Did you hear that? Is it that these shape charges apparently can happen so fast that they don't actually leave burns? They just penetrate directly. >> So, it's a quick release of energy, not a hot explosion. >> Yeah, that the the quickness of it is the the real key factor. It's it's extremely quick burning and clean burning explosion. Damn, Stacy in the house. Thank you, Stacy. That's how you know Stacy's woken up cuz she comes and drops the sub on the chat. Everybody say thanks to Stacy if you just got one of those 25 subs. >> And that kind of explains the high energy that we see, how fast it dissipates, you know, from the shirt. It causes a huge reaction, but then it goes away really fast. >> And just real quick, just to get this out of the way, do you think that there's any chance Charlie's still alive? >> Uh, if he's still alive, he's the greatest actor that's ever lived. I mean, he he nailed the physical reaction of a mid midbrain and brain stem damage and the way he hit the ground. You I have videos of him hitting the ground slow motion. It was just it was devastating. I mean, his head bounced off the ground. He was absolutely limp. I'm a firm I'm a firm believer that he was he was his heart was almost stopped before he hit the ground. >> Well, I know that Charles Mcccleintoch says he has an image where his neck is destroyed um based on the way his head >> I mean I wonder if there's a world in which this charge shot upwards through his neck into his brain. Like we still don't have an explanation for brain stem injury with any of the theories, including the mainstream one, right? But if it's down here and it's shooting up at him and there is a chest wound underneath there that we just didn't see blood come out of in initially. I mean maybe you could make the argument that it went up through his neck into his brain. Electrocution solves the brain stem injury. It does. And honestly if I were planning this kind of if this this kind of complex assassination I would want two methods of killing. I would want a backup strategy like electrocution. Um, that being said, I think these guys make a convincing argument against electrocution, but I'd be curious for your guys' opinion >> so that I mean I I know a lot of people would hope that he's still alive, but I'm not sure. >> Electricity is the trigger has something in it like PET or something in the necklace itself. >> Yeah, I've actually thought about that. the cross the pendant itself possibly having but um the um >> yeah C6 to C2 damage but in the opposite order that we've been told could be and it would help explain the cavitation right because there does ap