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Joe Kent, former head of the National Counterterrorism Center, shares shocking revelations about his investigation into Charlie Kirk's assassination. Kent describes how the FBI and DOJ blocked his team from pursuing leads related to potential foreign ties to Kirk's murder, despite evidence of people posting online with prior knowledge of the attack. Kent also discusses the unanswered questions surrounding the Butler assassination attempt on President Trump and questions why a figure so central to the MAGA movement and opposed to war with Iran hasn't received a thorough investigation. Kent walked through the West Wing with Kirk weeks before his death, when Kirk urged him to stop a war with Iran.
The Pressure on President Trump
The conversation begins with a fundamental question: What kind of pressure does it take to make a president who campaigned against something for 10 years suddenly do exactly that thing? According to Kent, there are two potential explanations. The first involves the media echo chamber, donors, and the way Israeli interests shape information flow. The second possibility, Kent admits, is much darker.
Kent points to a series of troubling events that remain shrouded in mystery. The Butler assassination attempt on President Trump still has unanswered questions. There's documented evidence of Asaf Merchant, recruited by Iranians to come to America to recruit proxies to kill President Trump. The FBI placed a confidential human source on Merchant, and all of this is now public information. Merchant was arrested, and then two days later, a sniper took a shot at President Trump.
The confidential human source and Merchant had discussed potentially killing the president with a sniper rifle. Yet after Merchant's arrest, the Butler incident occurred, and according to the official narrative, Thomas Crooks remains an enigma. Authorities claimed they couldn't access his devices, or if they did, found nothing there. No more questions are allowed about Thomas Crooks. The DHS Inspector General is currently being blocked from investigating Butler as well, which has been reported in the media.
Meanwhile, investigative journalists found that Crooks did have an online persona and footprint, and he was talking to people. So why isn't this being investigated? This was an attempted murder of a presidential candidate, followed by another assassination attempt and multiple public breaches of President Trump's security over the past year.
Charlie Kirk's Final Words in the West Wing
Then Charlie Kirk was killed publicly in a horrific way, and investigators are not being allowed to look into it properly. Charlie Kirk was one of President Trump's closest advisers and advocated heavily against a war with Iran. He was in the Oval Office in the leadup to the 12-day war.
Kent reveals that he wasn't particularly close with Kirk, though Kirk was very gracious and supportive when Kent was running for Congress. The last time Kent saw Kirk alive was in June in the West Wing stairway. Kent said hello, and Kirk looked him in the eye and said very loudly—in the small, tight space of the West Wing—"Joe, stop us from getting into a war with Iran." Kirk was single-minded about this message. He then walked off, heading toward the Oval Office.
When one of President Trump's closest advisers who vocally advocated against going to war with Iran and for rethinking the relationship with Israel is suddenly publicly assassinated, and investigators are not allowed to ask questions about it, that's a data point that needs examination.
Being Blocked From Investigating Kirk's Murder
Kent clarifies what he means by "not allowed to ask questions." The individual accused of killing Kirk—Robinson—has been labeled a lone gunman, and maybe he is. But the investigation that Kent was part of, which included the National Counterterrorism Center, was stopped from continuing their work. The FBI claims they halted the investigation because they wanted to turn everything over to Utah State Authorities since everything is going to trial and it's very sensitive.
However, there was still significant work to do that Kent can't fully detail. There was linkage to investigate that needed to be run down. Kent is not making definitive conclusions or claiming he knows exactly what happened. He's simply saying there are unanswered questions. The text messages that have been made public show that Kirk was under tremendous pressure from pro-Israel donors. Kirk was known to be advocating to President Trump against the war with Iran. And at the end of the 12-day war, at the end of Midnight Hammer, everyone knew the Israelis would come back and ask for another war.
There are numerous data points between Butler, the assassination attempts against President Trump, the breaches of his security, and what happened to Kirk that paint a concerning picture.
The National Counterterrorism Center's Mandate
The National Counterterrorism Center's mandate is to investigate any potential foreign ties to see if there are foreign connections to incidents like Kirk's murder. If they don't find foreign ties, they back off. Kent is careful not to reveal too much detail, but he states clearly that there was more to investigate. He believes there was reason to investigate potential foreign ties to Kirk's murder and was told by the FBI and DOJ to stop. He was told the investigation was done, and his access to information was cut off.
Kent emphasizes that he's not necessarily saying he believes there are 100% foreign ties. What he's saying is that there were data points that needed investigation. Anyone who has looked at any police investigation knows you get a hundred leads, you run them down, and 99 don't mean anything. But his team still had many more leads to run down pertaining to some kind of foreign nexus, and they were stopped from investigating.
How the Bureaucracy Works to Kill Investigations
Kent explains how the bureaucracy can kill investigations through process. Initially, his team was cut off pretty early from being able to access files and send people to investigate. They sent people out initially to work in the task force, but after the crisis period in the first week or so, that dispersed. Kent's team was basically told that the FBI would get back to them if they found any kind of foreign ties they wanted the NCTC to look into.
Meanwhile, Kent's team had already dug up a decent amount of leads. Again, not saying they had anything concrete, but they found more work needed to be done to say they had completed their due diligence. They were then told they needed to stop and couldn't work on the case anymore. Kent had a bureaucratic dispute about it. Eventually, they were allowed to continue investigating, but then in very short order, all the requests they would make—requests that normally different parts of the interagency with the FBI being on point would facilitate through data sharing—were never met. In Kent's opinion, no honest effort was given to fulfill those requests.
These were basic information requests that any competent police service, which Kent believes Utah has, and the FBI would have access to, which would help them run down leads to either confirm or deny some kind of foreign activity. His team was cut off from that access. The agencies never officially came back and said "you can't look at this anymore." All of the requests just continued to die on the vine with the various agencies needed to fulfill those requests.
Prior Knowledge Posted Online
Kent points out something particularly disturbing: people were posting online with prior knowledge of what was about to happen to Kirk. Much of the justification for stopping the NCTC from investigating hung on the idea that they had the guy, his fingerprints were on the gun, they had video of him jumping off the roof—it was a slam dunk case.
But even if it is a slam dunk case that Robinson took the shot, what about all the people who had prior knowledge? What about the basic investigative questions of how he got there? This isn't rocket science. Anyone with common sense would know to ask these questions. But basically, once they caught Robinson and his fingerprints were on the gun, it was pencils down. Utah has the rest of it. There's nothing else to see here.
Kent felt like he was in crazy town, saying they had all these different leads they needed to run down. The people who had prior knowledge, he believes most of them were American citizens, so that would be on the FBI to investigate. But again, without saying anything specific, there was more work for the NCTC to do on the potential of a foreign nexus. Not saying there is one, but they had more work to do and were blocked from doing it.
A Generational Figure Deserves Justice
Kent admits he's very bothered by this situation. He personally did not know Kirk well, but Charlie Kirk was a generational figure. He led a movement and was speaking to millions of young Americans who came out and voted for President Trump. He was a genuine great man, husband, and father. How can you not like Charlie Kirk?
The fact that he was murdered so publicly, and yes, there's been sympathy and his movement has grown, but there's been no actual curiosity about getting justice or figuring out what happened—that makes Kent furious. They're being blocked from investigating, and they're not allowed to ask questions anymore. They're not allowed to talk about it anymore. Kent thinks that's absolute insanity.
What does it mean that there are people and entities out there that don't want investigators looking into this? Kent is sure they're preparing the response right now, saying it's because they don't want to screw up the Robinson trial. But if the Robinson trial is so slam dunk, then don't worry about it. Robinson's fingerprints are on the rifle. But people were publicly posting they had prior knowledge of Kirk's murder. And Kent is stating clearly that as someone involved in the investigation, there were more stones to overturn. Every time they asked, they were blocked. Then information was leaked to the New York Times, making it seem like Kent's team was crazy and needed to be thrown out of the room.
It's incredibly frustrating that there's not more attention paid to finding the truth, especially considering how pivotal Kirk was to the MAGA movement and to President Trump. There hasn't been a more concerted effort to find truth and justice.
Hope for the Future
Kent prays there will be justice. He hopes his speaking out will help, though he knows he and the interviewer will probably take some flak for it. Kent has really tried not to say anything about this situation because he doesn't know all the answers. But he wants them to be found because he believes in justice and because he cares about what happened to Charlie Kirk.
Kent acknowledges that everything he has said may be dismissed as crazy or evil, but he challenges anyone to level a legitimate attack on the words he's spoken. He knows that won't stop people from trying.
Video Transcript
What kind of pressure does it require to
get a president who campaigned against
exactly this thing for 10 years to do
exactly this thing? What does it take to
do that?
I I I wish I knew definitively. I think
there's two potentials or two schools of
thought. I mean, one is the media echo
chamber, the donors, the way the
Israelis come in and and kind of launder
the information like I like I described
previously. Uh and and then the other
option is much darker. I mean, we still
don't know what happened in Butler.
>> Um, we don't know what happened with
with Charlie Kirk. Uh, and by no means
am I saying like, you know, the Israelis
did this or or any of that, but I'm
saying there's a lot of unanswered
questions there. And and there is enough
data to at least say that there's a good
chance that President Trump feels like
he is under threat. Um we're not allowed
to ask basically was there any linkage
between uh what took place with Osaf
merchant who was recruited by the
Iranians to come to America to recruit
proxies to kill President Trump. The FBI
put a put a confidence human source at
him. Uh all this is public now. This is
all out there in the open. Um and he's
arrested and then two days later a
sniper takes a shot at President Trump.
Um, we think Mant and and the C we know
the CHS was talking about the the human
source that the FBI put at Mant. They
were talking about, hey, we could kill
the president potentially with a sniper
uh rifle, but then they arrest him. Two
days later, Butler happens and and
Crooks, according to the official
narrative anyways, is an enigma. We
don't know anything about him. We can't
get into his devices. If we did get into
his devices, maybe there's nothing
there. No more questions are allowed to
be asked about Thomas Krooks. Um, the
DHS IG is currently being blocked from
investigating Butler as well. That's out
in the media. That's all well known. Um,
your investigative journalist found that
Crooks did indeed have an online persona
online footprint and he was talking to
people. So, it's like,
>> why why aren't we investigating
this? You know, I mean, if
>> an attempted murder of a presidential
>> attempted murder of a presidential
candidate, and then there's another
assassination attempt. There's been
multiple public breaches of President
Trump's security uh over the last year.
Um, and then you know, Charlie Kirk is
killed publicly in a very horrific way,
and we're not really even allowed to
look into that at all. And Charlie Kirk
was one of President Trump's closest
adviserss, and he also advocated heavily
against a war with Iran. He was in the
Oval Office in the leadup to the 12-day
war. I I wasn't particularly close with
Charlie. Uh, he was very gracious to me
when I was running for Congress, very
very supportive. Uh, so we knew each
other. And the last time I saw Charlie
Kirk on this earth was in in June um in
in the in the West Wing in the stairway.
And I said hi to him and he looked me in
the eye and he said very loudly and it's
a small you've been in the West Wing.
It's it's small uh it's a tight space
and and he said, "Joe, stop us from
getting into a war with Iran."
>> Very loudly.
>> He was single-minded.
>> And he walked off and he went, I
believe, into the oval. Um, so when one
of President Trump's closest adviserss
who is vocally advocating for us to not
go to war with Iran and for us to
rethink at least our relationship with
the Israelis. Um, and then he's suddenly
publicly assassinated and we're not
allowed to ask any questions about that.
It's a data point. It's a data point
that we need to look into.
>> What do you mean um when you say we're
not allowed to ask any questions about
that? We we've we've been told that this
individual uh Robinson is a lone gunman
and maybe he is. Um but the
investigation that that I was a part of,
the National Counterterrorism Center was
a part of, we were stopped from
continuing to investigate. And the FBI
will say that that they stopped that
because they wanted to have turn every
turn everything over to the Utah State
Authorities. Everything's going to
trial. It's very very sensitive. But
there was still a lot for us to look
into that I I I can't really get into.
But there was still linkage for us to
investigate that we needed to run down.
And I'm not making any conclusions. I'm
not saying like I don't think you are
because you know because of this this
happened. I'm not I'm not saying that at
all. I'm just saying there's unanswered
questions. We know the pressure because
of the text messages text messages that
have been made public that Charlie was
under a lot of pressure from a lot of
pro-Israel donors. And again, we know
Charlie was advocating to President
Trump against this war with Iran. And we
knew at the end of the 12-day war, at
the end of Midnight Hammer, that the
Israelis were going to come back and ask
us to go back to war again.
>> Right.
>> So, we have a lot of data points between
Butler, the assassination attempts
against President Trump, the breaches of
his security, what happened to Charlie
Kirk. C
>> can I just ask you to pause on the
Charlie Kirk just Yeah.
>> Because it it upsets me to hear what
you're saying to be reminded that he was
murdered. Uh but also to hear you
confirm what was reported in the media
several months ago that your office had
been blocked from investigating his
murder. That does not make sense to me.
I don't understand why you would ever
turn down
>> help in an investigation from a US
agency with a lot of experience
>> in gathering intelligence on things.
That's your job.
>> The the FBI will say and the DOJ will
say that because it's an ongoing case.
It's a Utah State case that back off.
They've got it. They've got a smoking
case. They've got the the fingerprints
on the gun and and they've got the case.
>> But the FBI was involved in the case.
>> The FBI was involved. The FBI's uh
basically said that they're deferring to
Utah because it's now they've
established a precedent for federal
investigation of this crime.
>> Yeah. And the the National
Counterterrorism Cent's mandate is to
investigate any any foreign ties to see
if there's potentially any foreign ties.
If we don't find any foreign ties, we
back off. What I'm saying about getting
into too much detail is there was more
for us to investigate.
>> There was You believe there was reason
to investigate foreign ties to Charlie
Kirk's murder and were told by the FBI,
DOJ?
>> FBI and DOJ. Yeah.
>> No, you're not allowed to investigate
that.
>> Stop. It's It's done. They cut basically
cut off our access to to be able to get
into that information. Um, and look, I I
didn't even say necessarily I believe
there's 100% foreign ties. There were
data points that we needed to
investigate. I mean, I think anybody
who's even, you know, looked at any kind
of police investigation, you get a 100
leads, you run them down, and 99 don't
mean anything. We still had a lot more
leads to run down that pertain to some
kind of a foreign nexus that we we were
stopped from investigating. And, you
know,
>> that just strikes me as uh inconceivable
that that could happen. And again, I was
aware of it from reading about it uh but
not really to the extent that you've
just described. So, I would love to hear
the justification for that. And can you
flesh that out a little bit more? What
were you told was the reason to prevent
you as a a federal intelligence official
>> running the National Counterterrorism
Center from looking in to the murder
when you had reason to look into it?
>> Well, the way the bureaucracy works is
they can just kill things in process.
So, initially we were cut off um pretty
early on from being able to access like
the the files and being able to, you
know, send people out there. We sent
people out initially to work in the in
the task force. After the the crisis
period, the first week or so that that
dispersed and we basically were told
that, hey, we'll we'll get back to you
if we find any kind of foreign ties,
etc. that we want you guys to look into.
Meanwhile, we had already dug up a
decent amount of leads. Again, I'm not
saying that we have anything concrete,
but we found more work that we needed to
do to say that we had done our due
diligence.
We were then told that, "Hey, you guys
need to stop. you can't work on this
anymore. I had a bureaucratic dispute
about it. Um eventually we were allowed
to continue to investigate. Um but then
in very short order all the requests
that we would make that normally
different parts of the the inter agency
with the FBI being on point would
facilitate data share. Data sharing is
is a big thing that NCTC does. Um those
requests were just never met or in my
opinion not an honest uh effort was
given to fulfill those requests. It's
just basic information that all that
that any competent police service, which
I believe Utah has and the FBI that they
would have access to to help us run down
the leads to either confirm or deny some
kind of foreign activity. So, we we were
cut off from that. They didn't never
officially come back and say, "You can't
look at this anymore." All of the
requests just continued to die on the
vine with the various agencies that we
needed to actually fulfill those
requests.
>> I just can't imagine a legitimate
justification for that. I mean, maybe
I'm missing something, but from a nonsp
specialist perspective, something
horrible has happened. The US government
is its core function is to investigate
crime, particularly murder.
>> Here you have an agency whose job it is
to to run down uh the rabbit trails
you've described, and you're stopped
from doing that. We don't want the
information.
>> Right.
>> Why would any person engaged in a
legitimate pursuit say, "I don't want
more information." I mean, especially
considering there was people posting
online prior knowledge of what was about
to happen. So, a lot of a lot of um the
justification for stopping us from
investigating hung on. Hey, we've got
we've got the guy his fingerprints are
on the gun. We got video of him jumping
off the roof. Like, this is a slam dunk
case. Okay, even if um it is a slam dunk
case that he took the shot, what about
all the people who had prior knowledge?
you know, all all just the basic
investigative questions of how do he get
there? You map it out. You know,
nothing. This isn't rocket science. I
mean, this is anything that anyone with
common sense would know to ask,
>> but basically once they they caught him,
once he turned himself in and his
fingerprints were on the gun, it was
basically pencil's down. Utah has the
rest of it. There's nothing else to see
here. And, you know, I'm I'm over there
thinking I'm in crazy town saying like,
"No, we have all these different leads
that we need to run down." Just from my
perspective. Now, the people who had
prior knowledge, I think I believe most
of them were American citizens. So, that
would be on the FBI to go run down. But
again, not without saying anything
specific, there was more work for us to
do on the potential of a foreign nexus.
Again, not saying there is one, but we
we had more work to do and we were
blocked from doing that.
>> I can't My heart is is pounding
listening to this. Um I mean, I just
would want people listening to this to
assess two things. One, are you over
your skis? Are you making claims you
can't prove? No. Two, is there any
conceivable motive, dark motive that you
would have for wanting to know more
about this murder, to wanting to
investigate it? And I don't think any
rational person could construct a bad
motive for wanting to know. It's your
job.
>> Yeah.
>> It's the government's job. And so I
think the onus is on people who are
preventing the collection of information
to describe why they're doing that. It's
that's the question for them. Why
wouldn't you want to know?
Specifically, you may not know the
answer. Of the people who ex who
demonstrated prior knowledge of Charlie
Kirk's murder online, and there were a
number of them, are you satisfied that
all of them were interviewed by the FBI
in person?
>> I have no idea. I I don't know. Um I I
just think considering they knew the guy
they knew Charlie was going to be
assassinated and there was enough of
them that it wasn't just some rando who
maybe he he tags every TPUSA post with
that. There was enough of them that
there's something there. I don't know
what that something is.
>> Well, by definition,
>> but we haven't seen any arrests.
Um, so to me, there's more work to be
done and because they that could have
been posted from anywhere that would be
in the purview of the FBI or NCTC or if
they're overseas. Um, and to me, I I
personally did not see any effort being
taken to to continue to run that down.
Now, I'm sure they will say, "Hey, we're
we'll we're open to anything. and we'll
continue to investigate, but you know,
we're we're coming up on several months
now. Um, why hasn't this been done?
>> Are you bothered by it?
>> I'm very bothered by it. I I'm very
bothered by it. Like, I I personally did
not know Charlie well. Um, but Charlie
Kirk is a generational figure. I mean,
he led a movement. He was speaking to
millions of young Americans who came out
who voted for President Trump. Um, and
he was just a genuine great man,
husband, father. Um, I mean, how can you
not like Charlie Kirk? but also the fact
that he was murdered so publicly and
yes, there's there's there's been a lot
of uh sympathy and his movement has
grown, etc., but actual curiosity about
getting to justice to figuring out what
happened, that makes me furious that
we're being blocked from that and that
we're we're not we're not allowed to ask
the question anymore. We're just not
allowed to talk about it anymore. And I
think that's absolute insanity. And what
does that mean? What does that mean that
there's there are people and there's
entities out there that don't want us
looking into this? And I'm sure they're
preparing the response right now and
they're saying that's because we don't
want to screw up the Robinson trial.
Like, okay, if the Robinson trial is is
so slam dunk, then don't worry about it.
You know, he's got his fingerprints on
the rifle, etc. But there was people
publicly posting they had prior
knowledge of this. And I and I'm here
telling you as someone who's involved in
the investigation, there was more stones
for us to overturn. And every time we
asked, we were blocked. And then they,
you know, leaked to New York Times. we
had to blow up and we had to throw them
out of the room because they're crazy,
etc. Um,
so it's incredibly frustrating that
there there's not more, especially
considering how pivotal Charlie was to
the MAGA movement and to President
Trump, that there hasn't been a more
concerted effort to find the truth and
to find justice.
>> Do you think there will be?
>> I pray there is. I I hope this helps. I
know, you know, you and I will probably
take some flack for it. I don't know why
and I doubt I'll be um No, I Yeah, it's
at a certain point I've really tried not
to say anything about it because I don't
I don't know the answers. Uh and but I
want them to be found because I believe
in justice and because I love Charlie
and
>> um but I think everything you have said,
you know, may be dismissed as crazy or
evil. Tell me how. with with reference
to the words you've just spoken. I don't
see how someone could level a legitimate
attack on you.
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