Tucker Carlson and Dave Smith Question FBI Investigation Into Charlie Kirk's Death and Neocon Response

[00:00] certain questions have to be answered no

[00:01] matter who's asking them, right?

[00:03] >> Yeah.

[00:04] >> One of the questions I still can't

[00:06] answer is why is it that all the neocons

[00:11] are the ones leading the screaming and

[00:13] anyone who asked questions about Charlie

[00:14] Kirk's death when Charlie Kirk was an

[00:16] enemy of the neocons like open enemy of

[00:20] the neocons invited you to TPUSA like

[00:23] you don't invite and he didn't it's not

[00:25] because the kids at TP USA are like oh I

[00:27] grew up loving Dave Smith.

[00:28] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's I I said that

[00:30] I've said this on other shows, too, but

[00:31] I said this uh to you that it's like

[00:32] there was something about inviting, you

[00:34] know, inviting you or Megan Kelly. It's

[00:36] >> on Fox

[00:38] and huge famous stars on Fox News. It's

[00:41] not just like someone on Fox News like

[00:43] two of the biggest.

[00:43] >> There's no reason to invite you to a

[00:45] Turning Point event unless he wants the

[00:47] kids in the audience to hear your views,

[00:50] which he did because he subsidally

[00:51] agreed with them. And I would know

[00:53] because I talked to him about this a

[00:54] lot, like a lot a lot over years. So for

[00:56] the neocons

[00:58] whom he at best didn't trust and mostly

[01:02] really didn't like. I never talk about

[01:04] what I think Charlie thought because it

[01:05] feels so weird because he's gone. But I

[01:07] just have to say this.

[01:08] >> They're the ones leading the charge on

[01:10] shut up. Don't ask any questions. Like

[01:13] you tell me what this is. Well,

[01:15] >> and I'm not going to take orders from

[01:16] them. Who are these people anyway? This

[01:18] is the same reason why this is the

[01:20] reason why I I read that text message

[01:22] that he uh he sent me and it was because

[01:26] well part of it was because Candace

[01:27] asked and I'm friends with Candace and

[01:29] she was very she lost someone she was

[01:30] very close to. Um but part of it was

[01:32] that

[01:33] >> you know cuz it's a weird thing to do.

[01:34] It's a weird thing to share private text

[01:36] messages with anyone especially someone

[01:38] who just died. And I got some push back

[01:40] for that and I understand why like I get

[01:41] their point. Maybe I shouldn't have done

[01:43] that. I'm not sure. But, you know, it

[01:44] was the thing where like Netanyahu

[01:46] immediately is trying to hijack his

[01:48] legacy. Josh Hammer and all these guys

[01:49] are immediately trying to hijack his.

[01:51] And so, it's kind of like

[01:52] >> selling their books by literally, dude,

[01:55] it's the most disgusting thing I've ever

[01:56] seen in my life. Josh Hammer did three

[01:58] interviews immediately after. The only

[01:59] reason anyone's interviewing him is cuz

[02:00] he was friends with Charlie Ker. He was

[02:02] close around his circle or whatever. And

[02:05] every single time he mentioned how much

[02:06] Charlie loved his book,

[02:08] >> it's like Jesus, dude. I mean, I just

[02:10] could never imagine getting everybody

[02:13] The last

[02:13] >> Charlie was friends with Josh Ham,

[02:14] right?

[02:14] >> Well, okay. Well, he he had him in his

[02:16] circles or whatever his handler or

[02:18] whatever it was. But, you know, I

[02:20] remember, you know, right before Charlie

[02:21] uh died, he called me and he said, "Man,

[02:23] I just wish everyone would listen to

[02:24] your podcast." It's like, this is so

[02:27] crazy of a thing to say. But the reason

[02:29] I I release that is because I'm like,

[02:30] look, I don't know exactly where Charlie

[02:32] was on his evolution on this topic.

[02:34] Obviously, he had at one point been a

[02:37] diehard pro-Israel guy, but a lot of

[02:39] people were that and then kind of woke

[02:40] up over the last couple years. But I

[02:42] know that he texted me after my debate

[02:44] with Douglas Murray that he said he

[02:46] thought I did a great job and he really

[02:48] did. He said something like I read it

[02:49] verbatim on my show, but he said

[02:51] something like, "I believe it or not, I

[02:52] really didn't disagree with almost

[02:54] anything you said." And I'm just saying

[02:56] Ben Shapiro wasn't sending me that text.

[02:58] No. So for people to try to pretend

[02:59] there was no daylight between the two of

[03:01] them is just not true.

[03:04] >> No, there was hostility,

[03:06] >> right?

[03:06] >> Big time. And not just with, you know,

[03:09] those guys. Yeah. hostility. I mean, I I

[03:12] don't want to overstate it. I'm not

[03:13] saying he hated them as people, but I

[03:15] mean, he did not agree at all and

[03:17] >> certainly didn't agree with war with

[03:18] Iran

[03:20] >> at all and with also honestly some of

[03:23] the Christian Zionist leaders. I mean,

[03:26] Charles was very he loved Israel as a

[03:28] country for sure. And I think he had a

[03:30] complicated theology which I did not

[03:31] fully understand and still don't fully

[03:33] understand. But, um, the idea that you

[03:35] would put another country before your

[03:37] own, like he just rejected that flat

[03:38] out. And some of those some of the

[03:41] Christian Zionist leadersmen are very

[03:43] aggressive and sharklike and very

[03:45] moneyoriented and pushy.

[03:48] >> And he started talking about that

[03:49] openly.

[03:50] >> He talked about it with me a lot.

[03:51] >> Yeah. Well, he talked about it on Megan

[03:52] Kelly's show. I mean, talked about the

[03:54] reaction he got

[03:56] from Well, maybe not from the

[03:57] evangelical.

[03:58] >> It was it was a mix it was a mixture.

[03:59] Yeah. Yeah. probably a mix of both

[04:01] >> of, you know, Jewish Zionists like um

[04:04] like the guys you mentioned, but also

[04:05] the people he grew up with who were

[04:07] evangelical leaders and he was upset

[04:11] with them. I mean, I talked to him about

[04:12] it at length. It's I could name names

[04:14] with who he was upset. I'm not going to,

[04:15] but cuz he's gone. But yeah, that's just

[04:18] real. And I don't know. I I don't even

[04:21] like talking about this, but I'm just

[04:23] offended by where this is going. And the

[04:25] bottom line is every American has an

[04:27] interest in every murder getting solved.

[04:30] And not just in getting solved, but

[04:32] fully solved.

[04:33] >> Yeah.

[04:33] >> And if you have a government agency

[04:35] that's shutting down a legitimate line

[04:37] of inquiry, at very least you have to

[04:40] answer the question, why are you doing

[04:41] that? And they and Joe Kent has said in

[04:43] public multiple times, including to me,

[04:45] the FBI shut down any effort to look

[04:49] into international connections here

[04:50] within days of the killing. So, someone

[04:54] should ask the FBI like, "Why'd you do

[04:56] that?"

[04:57] >> And no one seems willing to ask.

[04:59] >> And look, we also know what we know

[05:02] about this FBI, uh, who I just could not

[05:05] be more disgusted with. And, you know,

[05:07] um, I know you saw when

[05:09] >> everyone's afraid of them. Well, when

[05:10] Dan Bonino was talking all types of

[05:13] to me on Twitter or whatever, but it's

[05:15] it's like, look, man, you just

[05:19] you you know, there was a thing where

[05:20] people were saying uh they were trying

[05:22] to goat Dan Bonino into debating me

[05:24] because he was talking about me and

[05:26] you know, as I was I think I responded

[05:27] in kind. Um, but the thing is like he

[05:31] can't Dan Bonino, not only can he not

[05:34] come debate me, Dan Bonino can't ever do

[05:37] a difficult interview ever again for the

[05:39] rest of his life because he's ended in

[05:41] one question. I literally one question

[05:44] ends it. I just go, "Hey, okay, so you

[05:46] looked the American people in the eyes

[05:48] and you swore that you had seen the

[05:51] proof that Jeffrey Epstein killed

[05:52] himself." Well, it's been declassified

[05:54] by an act of Congress now. So, go ahead

[05:56] and tell us what you see.

[05:58] What's the proof? It's all declassified

[06:00] now there. What? It doesn't It doesn't

[06:03] What are the the few exceptions in the

[06:05] rule? If it's national security or if it

[06:07] harms the victims or something like

[06:09] that. How would it possibly be any of

[06:10] those for you to just tell me what you

[06:12] saw that made you comfortable enough to

[06:14] go out there and swear that you had seen

[06:17] proof that he killed himself? Cash

[06:19] Patel, Dan Bonino, any But these guys

[06:21] specifically, and this is one of the big

[06:23] things I think that

[06:24] >> I just want to interject. I'm not this

[06:25] is not aimed at anyone in particular but

[06:27] >> um you know we say we know things but I

[06:30] would always add the caveat to the

[06:32] extent you can know things like I

[06:33] thought I've known many things I've

[06:35] turned out to be wrong

[06:37] >> you know so I could be wrong but this is

[06:39] sincere I believe I can say with

[06:41] certainty that Jeffrey Epstein was

[06:43] murdered

[06:45] >> so I so I mean but of course I'm always

[06:47] open to counterveailing evidence always

[06:49] because I'm mindful of my capacity for

[06:51] being wrong but I can say if you could

[06:53] x-ray my heart, you would find that I

[06:55] believe with total certainty he was

[06:57] murdered and the people in the US

[06:58] government knew that he was murdered.

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