Megyn Kelly Refuses to Condemn Candace Owens Despite Ben Shapiro Calling Her a Coward at AmericaFest

[00:00] Some are calling me an anti-semite. Why?

[00:02] What did I say? What did I do? Did I

[00:04] step on a rake and say something super

[00:06] anti-Semitic without realizing it? No.

[00:08] It's because I won't deffriend you. And

[00:13] I won't condemn and say that Candace

[00:16] Owens is hateful. They want me really,

[00:19] really badly to condemn Candace Owens.

[00:22] And I'm sorry to break it to them, but I

[00:24] am responsible for what I say, not for

[00:27] what anybody else says. I am not Candace

[00:29] Owens's policeman. And by the way,

[00:32] they're kidding themselves that if just

[00:34] one more voice will say something nasty

[00:36] about Candace, she could finally be

[00:38] controlled. Like, how well has that

[00:39] worked so far? But again, the instinct

[00:41] is to to stop her. Stop her speech. Stop

[00:44] it. Make her stop it. Make Tucker stop

[00:47] saying the things. Well, I have no

[00:50] desire to and I have no power to. And

[00:53] for that I was called a coward by Ben

[00:56] Shapiro at the Turning Point event

[00:58] Amfest in December who by the way in my

[01:01] last exchange with him literally said

[01:05] our friendship his and mine is too

[01:08] important to both of us to make it

[01:10] depend on who else whom else we are

[01:14] friends with and aren't friends with.

[01:16] That is literally the last text I have

[01:18] from Ben Shapiro. The next thing I knew

[01:20] he was standing on the stage at Turning

[01:21] Point calling me a coward for this very

[01:24] thing. So it it there I am convinced now

[01:27] more than ever that there is a crew for

[01:29] whom everything revolves around Israel.

[01:31] That friendships don't matter, love

[01:34] relationships don't potentially matter.

[01:36] What the only thing that matters is

[01:38] whether you are standing up for Israel

[01:41] or not. And on top of that, you can even

[01:43] stand up for Israel as I have. You also

[01:46] must not just condemn but deffriend de

[01:50] befriend anyone who is raising questions

[01:52] about Israel. It's important that that

[01:54] other person be exised from polite

[01:57] society be ostracized. That you join us

[02:00] in our messaging to tell the world that

[02:01] they're terrible. They're evil. They

[02:04] they should be out of polite society.

[02:06] And no, no, we're not calling for

[02:07] cancellation. No one's calling for

[02:09] cancellation or deplatforming. Just

[02:11] stop. That's not what we're doing. We

[02:12] just don't want them ever to appear at a

[02:14] turning point event again. We just don't

[02:16] want them ever to be invited to CPAC. We

[02:18] just never want to see them at a White

[02:19] House event. We just never want ever to

[02:22] see them platformed on your show, which

[02:24] is independent in the digital lane.

[02:25] Absolutely not. So, it's fine. They they

[02:27] technically they can exist in the ether

[02:29] with a microphone. That's fine. We're

[02:30] not we're not anti-free speech, but we

[02:32] just need to pressure and cancel

[02:33] everyone around them for continuing a

[02:36] relationship with them. And it's

[02:38] absolutely disgusting. I heard you say

[02:41] this not long ago, and I completely

[02:43] related. I'd rather die than do that.

[02:46] I'd rather die than do that. And now

[02:48] that they've made that the stakes of my

[02:50] so-called friendships with them,

[02:53] >> I really won't do it. Now I I don't now

[02:55] I don't care what anybody says. Like

[02:57] I'll never do it now. Even if I

[02:59] [laughter] have actual disagreements

[03:01] that I otherwise would raise, hell no.

[03:04] Because I'm not raising the fist and

[03:06] saying BLM at the table. And I'm not

[03:09] bending the knee to these bullies who

[03:11] think they can control me. [laughter]

[03:14] >> [gasps]

[03:15] >> I I always think to myself, I I don't

[03:17] think I've ever said an anti-semitic

[03:18] thing in my life. I'm positive you

[03:20] haven't. They never point to anything

[03:22] that's anti-Semitic.

[03:23] >> No.

[03:23] >> But what's interesting is while the rest

[03:25] of us are having these debates, a bunch

[03:27] of different states, including the state

[03:29] of Florida, the most important state in

[03:31] a lot of ways,

[03:32] >> has codified

[03:34] anti-semitism as a crime. And they've

[03:37] defined not anti- anything, just

[03:39] anti-semitism.

[03:40] And they've defined it in a way that is

[03:44] so expansive that criticism of Israel is

[03:47] anti-semitic. The claim that someone is

[03:49] Israel first is ant is a crime in the

[03:51] state of Florida. Dantis signed this.

[03:54] And I'm just like, well, wait a second.

[03:55] I mean, I don't think most people even

[03:57] know that that happened. And plenty of

[03:58] states have done that. And so I think

[04:01] we're going to wake up one morning with

[04:02] European hate crimes laws written in a

[04:05] way that is not fair at all. That

[04:08] doesn't affect justice and is basically

[04:09] just another form of identity politics

[04:11] at the point of a gun. I think this is

[04:13] going to happen.

[04:14] >> It is identity politics. It really is.

[04:17] And I'll tell you the the number one

[04:19] reason apart from the free speech

[04:21] principles, I guess the number two

[04:22] reason we shouldn't be doing that. It

[04:24] will cause anti-semitism.

[04:26] >> Well, exactly. absolutely

[04:27] [clears throat] will cause in the same

[04:28] way that now like people don't

[04:31] understand Nick Fuentes. You you may be

[04:32] familiar with him. Um they don't

[04:34] understand him, right? Like why why are

[04:37] people flocking to Nick Fuentes? You

[04:38] know what it's because a lot of young

[04:41] white men in particular have been told

[04:43] for years now that identity is

[04:45] everything. It's everything. It does

[04:47] matter what what what is your inroup and

[04:50] those are your compadres and you better

[04:52] get you know some alignment there

[04:54] because we're factioning now into groups

[04:57] and you better figure out which one is

[04:58] yours and so there are a lot of young

[05:00] white men who have accepted the

[05:02] messaging of the BLMs and the woksters

[05:03] on the left and have understood now like

[05:06] you know what I don't want to follow

[05:08] what Tucker Carlson is saying that we

[05:09] don't judge people like that even though

[05:11] we're on the right that I'm accepting

[05:13] the messaging that's been taught to me

[05:14] my by my teachers K through 12 by my

[05:16] university professors for four years, by

[05:19] my grad school professors, by the media,

[05:23] by corporate America, all of them, which

[05:24] is identity does matter. Your very

[05:27] goodness will be rated on whether you

[05:29] accept this premise. And they've

[05:30] accepted it and now they're leaning into

[05:32] white identity politics and then being

[05:34] shamed because the the leader of those

[05:37] happens to be Nick Fuentes. So that what

[05:40] what the the Jews who push those laws

[05:42] and it is a lot of Jews down in in um

[05:44] Florida and a lot of Jewish people in

[05:45] New York too um they think that the

[05:48] answer to anti-semitism which is a

[05:50] problem to some extent of course is to

[05:53] get themselves recategorized as one of

[05:55] the protected DEI groups and of course

[05:57] it's not. The answer is to demolish DEI.

[06:00] >> Of course

[06:00] >> the answer is to stop separating us by

[06:02] group. And the more you start cracking

[06:04] down on people's thought crimes against

[06:08] Israel or even their anti-semitism truly

[06:11] like this is America. You're allowed to

[06:13] be a racist. You're allowed to be a

[06:14] misogynist. You're allowed to be an

[06:15] anti-semite. You're not allowed to like

[06:17] make hiring and firing decisions based

[06:19] on that. But that's not what we're

[06:20] arguing over here. It's we're talking

[06:22] about what's in your head and your

[06:22] heart. The more you try to criminalize

[06:25] that or ruin someone's life over those

[06:27] thoughts, the more you engender the very

[06:30] hatred you say you're objecting to. And

[06:34] this is part in part reason that Tucker

[06:36] the reason Tucker that I tweeted out

[06:38] that it it's not Tucker Carlson and his

[06:42] views on Israel that are causing

[06:44] anti-semites.

[06:46] It is more Ben Shapiro and the Barry

[06:49] Weisses of the world. And of course the

[06:51] ADL then called me an anti-semite

[06:53] because that what [laughter] happens is

[06:55] you know that you see the cycle right

[06:56] like you get attacked I didn't attack

[06:59] barrier Ben they attacked me again just

[07:01] because I wouldn't deffriend people.

[07:03] They attacked me. I said to them that

[07:05] behavior is going to cause anti-semites.

[07:07] Like you shouldn't do that because this

[07:08] is actually undermining the very thing

[07:09] you say you care about. Then he swoops

[07:11] in the ADL to say you're an anti-semite

[07:13] for saying that to them. you're not

[07:15] allowed to defend yourself against their

[07:16] attacks by saying, "Hey, you're the one

[07:18] who's bringing more hatred into this

[07:21] argument because then that, you know, so

[07:23] on and on it goes." But I genuinely

[07:25] believe it and I genuinely don't want

[07:27] additional Jew hatred happening in

[07:29] happening in this country. Most normal

[07:31] American Jewish people would never make

[07:34] Israel the stakes of a relationship.

[07:36] There I know so many Jewish dear friends

[07:38] of mine who are sick of talking about

[07:39] Israel. Ben, Barry, Levvin, they don't

[07:43] speak for the vast majority of American

[07:45] Jewish people who would never think of

[07:48] making your feelings about Benjamin

[07:49] Netanyahu the stakes of your friendship

[07:52] or love relationship. It's been a lot of

[07:54] noise in the news recently, but none of

[07:56] it matters if you can't hear it. There's

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