Megyn Kelly on Mark Levin's Attacks, Charlie Kirk's Legacy, and Rising Anti-Christian Hostility in Conservative Media

[00:00] What do you make of the division within

[00:02] the Trump voting base? Um, you've been

[00:06] sucked into this, I think, against your

[00:08] will. I I always think of you as the

[00:10] most sensible, least radical, least

[00:13] crazy person ever, always willing to

[00:15] entertain both sides, measured, and

[00:18] somehow you've been held up as some kind

[00:22] of Nazi or something by a few very, very

[00:25] active people on social media, Mark

[00:26] Leven, chief among them. I look at that

[00:29] and I'm like, this is if you're

[00:30] attacking Megan Kelly for this stuff

[00:32] falsely. This is clearly an effort to

[00:36] split Trump's base. That's my view. But

[00:37] tell me what you think is going on.

[00:40] >> So Mark Leven is in a special class,

[00:42] shall we say? Uh he's in the special

[00:44] class because I truly think he's not

[00:46] well. I genuinely think he's unwell,

[00:48] which is when I stopped fighting with

[00:50] him. Like I over the even though over

[00:51] the holiday break he was in incendiary

[00:53] and his rhetoric and I thought you know

[00:56] I I went after him a little cuz he kept

[00:57] attacking me and others and like was

[00:59] calling Dave Smith a Nazi and neo-Nazi

[01:02] like crazy stuff

[01:04] >> and then I just realized what am I do

[01:05] like he's trul he's an insane person you

[01:07] know and as my therapist ironically

[01:09] always says stay away from crazy and

[01:12] he's not wrong.

[01:14] >> He doesn't take the truly crazy ones

[01:16] which bodess well for me. Um, but I I I

[01:19] genuinely think like he's not well and I

[01:21] really don't think the president should

[01:22] let Mark live in within 10 ft of him.

[01:24] Like he's not a well person. Um, but the

[01:27] but there is a very ardent, extremely

[01:31] pro-Israel and indeed I will say Israel

[01:33] first crowd that is doing what you said

[01:35] right now. And sure is one of them, but

[01:37] I'm just saying he's just such a

[01:38] nutcase. How can we really factor him

[01:40] into this argument? But I I don't know

[01:43] whether the point is to cause losses for

[01:46] this president or stop his agenda. I

[01:50] really think that the Israel firsters

[01:53] have no tolerance for anyone who will

[01:55] not defend Israel at every turn. And

[01:58] that's why they can't stand you and

[02:00] that's why they now can't stand me.

[02:02] Because even though I am an Israel

[02:04] supporter, you and I have discussed this

[02:05] before.

[02:06] >> Yeah.

[02:06] >> It's not that I defend everything

[02:07] they've done, but in the in the war with

[02:09] Hamas, my god. Like I thought what Hamas

[02:11] did on 107 was absolutely barbaric and I

[02:13] have defended Israel's rights to defend

[02:15] itself and I've even argu argued that

[02:17] they it doesn't need to be a

[02:18] proportionate response. All the things

[02:20] I've been very defensive of

[02:22] anti-semitism on college campuses which

[02:24] I think has been very real over the past

[02:25] couple of years. I've wanted the foreign

[02:27] exchange students the non-Americans

[02:29] ejected. I have no problem with ejecting

[02:31] the Makmoud Khalil of the world who said

[02:33] nice university you have here Colombia

[02:35] either boycott Israel or the campus gets

[02:38] it. Get out get out of here. Right. I

[02:40] have no problem with any of that. I've

[02:42] gotten notes from all like all of these

[02:44] people, dear friends of mine over the

[02:46] past two years. Thank you so much. You

[02:48] make me and my family feel safer. These

[02:50] are pro-Israel Jewish friends of mine in

[02:53] the media. You make me and my family

[02:55] feel safer. I love you. My family loves

[02:57] you. God bless you. Thank these same

[03:00] people have now turned on me and some

[03:02] are calling me an anti-semite.

[03:04] >> There's a hostility. There's a hostility

[03:06] to some of the people you mentioned,

[03:07] particularly to Mark Levvin, and I think

[03:10] you called it out that you called him

[03:12] anti-Christian the other day. Why did

[03:13] you say that?

[03:14] >> Yeah.

[03:16] So, he decided to go after Jack Basobic,

[03:19] who is a great guy who is a dear friend

[03:22] of Charlie's and who has really stepped

[03:24] up to the plate in the wake of Charlie's

[03:26] murder. He's been doing so much to help

[03:29] Turning Point stay afloat, taking his

[03:32] podcast out there. He's been in close

[03:34] contact with all the Turning Point

[03:35] staff, with Erica. Like, this guy's been

[03:37] a real standup guy. He's been a hero.

[03:40] And uh not for nothing, but he's been

[03:42] great to me, too. And I really

[03:43] appreciate it cuz back in the day, he

[03:45] and I didn't get along, you know, but

[03:46] you know how this business is like,

[03:47] >> yes,

[03:48] >> you can get past that if you're a decent

[03:50] person. And he and I totally got past

[03:52] that. And I really like him and respect

[03:53] him. And he's been a leader on the faith

[03:57] front. One of the things we lost after

[03:59] Charlie died was someone who could speak

[04:02] about the Bible, about God, about

[04:05] Christianity, about faith in the way

[04:07] that Charlie did. That was

[04:08] inspirational, but also that unique

[04:10] ability to tie it to our conservative

[04:12] principles. Like that was part of the

[04:15] deep loss in losing Charlie. Like that

[04:17] he helped you realize that your

[04:19] conservative ideals actually are found

[04:21] are the foundation is in Christianity.

[04:23] But on top of that, he could cite the

[04:25] chapter and verse of the Bible, the

[04:27] Proverbs, all of it to to prove it to

[04:28] you. Well, Jack Poba can do this, too.

[04:31] And so, I've really come to adore this

[04:34] guy. Anyway, he interviewed me at the

[04:37] Turning Point event um the the night

[04:39] after you were there, and he gave me

[04:42] actually on my tour a beautiful rosary

[04:46] at Charlie's um memorial that we all

[04:48] went to. He spoke and he held up that

[04:50] gorgeous rosary and it was very moving.

[04:53] Then I complimented them. He gave me a

[04:55] rosary that was identical which I pray

[04:57] every day and I love. And after that

[05:00] event at Turning Point, he posted a

[05:02] picture of that rosary. Uh and Mark

[05:05] Levvin chose that picture of Jack Pobic

[05:08] holding his rosary to attack calling him

[05:13] what I'm trying to remember the word. It

[05:14] was like wacko or freak. It was

[05:18] something extremely porative and

[05:20] diminishing. And there's no accident

[05:23] that he chose that picture. If you

[05:25] Google this guy, you can find 10,000

[05:27] pictures of him on the internet. It is

[05:29] not hard to find a suit and tie picture

[05:31] of Jack Bobic or even Jack in a t-shirt

[05:35] if you want to make him look more

[05:36] casual. He chose that picture. And it's

[05:39] no accident, Tucker, because he he held

[05:42] that up because I genuinely think Mark

[05:44] Leaven thinks Catholics who pray the

[05:46] rosary are freaks, that we are cooks.

[05:49] And that's one of the reasons why he

[05:51] thinks we're completely fair game to

[05:53] attack as

[05:55] >> woke Reich, which is what he's called me

[05:57] and you and others, anti-semitic because

[06:00] what? You're anti-Semitic because you're

[06:02] holding up a rosary. Well, that's sick.

[06:04] That's absolutely disgusting. Like and

[06:06] if you take the religious discussion

[06:07] there, you want to go back and argue

[06:09] about Jesus and Jews role around the

[06:13] time of Christ. Okay, let's do that.

[06:15] How's that going to end? About the same

[06:17] as the discussion that people wanted to

[06:19] raise about black crime versus white

[06:21] crime ended. Glenn Lowry stood up at the

[06:24] time saying that's not going to end

[06:25] well. Stop doing that. Stop talking

[06:27] about suggesting whites are are

[06:30] committing all the crimes. You know what

[06:31] they're going to do soon is they're

[06:32] going to bring up some uncomfortable

[06:33] truths about blacks, which is eventually

[06:35] how that ended. Like, just stop. All

[06:37] right? Because I never in my life in

[06:39] arguing with someone like a Mark Levin

[06:41] would I bring up his faith beliefs and

[06:43] call him a kook for them. That's just so

[06:46] hateful and disrespectful. Never, never

[06:48] would I do such a thing. But there's a

[06:50] reason he chose that photo with the

[06:52] rosary and tried to diminish Jack Pobic

[06:55] and I would argue Catholics and

[06:57] Christians who also pray the rosary.

[07:00] Yeah, apparently he went totally bonkers

[07:02] when you called him out.

[07:05] >> He's an angry angry man. And honestly, I

[07:07] tweeted this out and I really believe

[07:08] it.

[07:10] >> Well, it's so it's obvious to me that

[07:12] there's hostility here. This is not just

[07:13] a foreign policy debate. I understand

[07:15] that he's all in for Israel. I'm not mad

[07:17] about that, by the way. Um, that's okay

[07:20] with me. But it's more than that.

[07:22] There's there's like there's something

[07:24] deep going on here with Mark Leven, and

[07:26] I agree with you. I hope you

[07:27] >> Let's dissect it. Yeah,

[07:28] >> let's dissect it, okay? Cuz I I do want

[07:30] to spend a minute on this if if you have

[07:31] it.

[07:32] >> Um,

[07:33] >> so Mark Leaven was always a fan of mine.

[07:37] He was always a fan. Like there are

[07:38] tweets out there saying, "Oh, she's got

[07:39] a hell of a podcast in 2022." He came on

[07:42] my podcast. He asked to come on when he

[07:44] had a book out. Sure. Yeah, come on. We

[07:46] had a nice exchange. This is all I think

[07:48] pre107, but we had a very nice exchange.

[07:51] What? Never had a problem when we were

[07:53] at Fox with one another. And then as I

[07:58] as I point out, I didn't have a

[07:59] relationship with Mark texting and so

[08:01] on, but some of those others that we

[08:03] discussed uh had been sending me the

[08:05] love texts ever since 107 about how my

[08:08] standing up for American Jewish people

[08:09] made them feel safe and thank you and we

[08:11] love you and we're so grateful and blah

[08:12] blah blah. It's not why I did it, but I

[08:13] appreciated the notes. That was very

[08:15] sweet. So when exactly did I become an

[08:17] anti-semite? Because he's called me

[08:19] that. Was it in this past July when you

[08:23] and I were both at Turning Point, the

[08:24] Student Action Summit, and Charlie and I

[08:26] had a two-minute exchange on Epstein,

[08:28] and if you worked for a foreign agency,

[08:30] who would it have been? And I said,

[08:31] would make sense it was MSAD. Yeah, I

[08:33] was called an anti-semite after that, as

[08:35] you and I discussed the last time I came

[08:36] on your evening show by some official

[08:39] Jewish group that said Charlie was an

[08:41] anti-semite, too. Charlie Kirk. Okay.

[08:43] Um, was it then? Was that the day I

[08:45] turned anti-semitic? I'm trying to track

[08:47] it in my head. So then the next thing

[08:49] that happened was I went on with Piers

[08:51] Morgan and I said I don't believe the

[08:52] Hamas ministry of anything. I don't

[08:54] believe their numbers and I believe

[08:55] their propagandists and I don't believe

[08:57] their photos they put out. But I also

[09:00] said Israel needs to wrap up this war

[09:02] because they're losing support. I got

[09:03] called anti-semitic by a bunch of

[09:05] people. A lot of pressure from American

[09:07] Jews who are active on Israel, which is

[09:09] the difference. Um no, I'm not going to

[09:12] take it back. I meant every word I said.

[09:14] None of it makes me anti-Semitic. And

[09:15] then came the Tucker's interviewed Nick

[09:18] and you must disavow him. Now you really

[09:21] need to break up with Tucker. As if my

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