Trump's Legacy Over: Why His Jeffrey Epstein Response and Israel Policy Betrayed the MAGA Movement

[00:00] his entire legacy is over. I think it

[00:02] really is over. I think Maga is over.

[00:03] There's no question. I mean Maga with

[00:06] Trump I guess

[00:07] leading the movement is completely over.

[00:09] I don't even I genuinely I'm trying to

[00:11] process what's happening in this

[00:12] administration. Obviously this is

[00:13] Israel. We have been infiltrated by

[00:15] Israel. I'm wondering if maybe we were

[00:16] always infiltrated by Israel and we just

[00:18] weren't paying attention. But the first

[00:20] remarkable fumble and this was shocking

[00:22] to me because Trump

[00:24] generally speaking has good social

[00:25] skills and is able to read a room

[00:27] correctly. I would say that, right? For

[00:29] him to come out and say, "Why are we

[00:32] still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?"

[00:34] was a fumble that

[00:35] >> I don't want you as supporters.

[00:36] >> That I just go with somebody somebody

[00:38] tweeting for him. Do they have something

[00:40] on him? Is he actually sweating bullets

[00:41] because the Trump that I know is smarter

[00:44] than to try to gaslight his supporters.

[00:47] So what did you What is your read on

[00:48] that when he did that?

[00:49] >> When he said, so here's the thing.

[00:52] Uh

[00:54] the the the grand uh you know pedo

[00:57] theory or whatever. This this idea that

[00:59] um there are elites

[01:01] wielding

[01:02] extraordinary power in the shadows using

[01:06] uh uh evidence against each other of

[01:08] whatever or have wizard

[01:10] This is not a conspiracy theory. This is

[01:12] how every civilization in human history

[01:15] has become at the end at the late

[01:17] decadent period just before things

[01:19] collapse. It is not unusual or crazy or

[01:22] right-wing or uh uh

[01:24] um or or lunatic to say,

[01:26] "I kind of think there might be a secret

[01:28] cabal of like uh powerful pedophiles

[01:31] running the world." That's exactly what

[01:32] happens in every empire in history. It's

[01:35] what happened in Rome. It happens in all

[01:37] of them. So it isn't weird or or or

[01:39] strange that people would imagine that

[01:41] might be happening now uh as our

[01:43] civilization looks as though it may be

[01:45] crumbling.

[01:46] It's not weird to to think that.

[01:48] It was also a central plank of Maga.

[01:51] It's why it it's why 2016 happened. It's

[01:54] one of the three or four things that

[01:55] made 2016 happen. This idea that the

[01:58] Democrats in particular, although

[02:00] probably we didn't want to know too

[02:01] much, but you know, or maybe we did, but

[02:03] you know, probably some people on our

[02:04] side, too, but but mostly the Democrats,

[02:06] celebrities, political establishment,

[02:09] were in cahoots with people like Jeffrey

[02:12] Epstein

[02:14] doing backdoor deals,

[02:16] not passing laws or or or or

[02:19] not running institutions for the people,

[02:21] but rather for their own enrichment,

[02:22] engorgement, and power, and they all

[02:24] also happen to be wrapped up if not in

[02:26] outright pedophilia, at least in sexual

[02:28] degeneracy and and so on and so forth.

[02:30] And and this is kind of a a rump of

[02:33] people at the top of society, the

[02:34] elites, who live basically beyond

[02:37] consequence, who live free from worry

[02:41] about the terrible things they do,

[02:43] things that would end the life of

[02:44] anybody else because they are insulated

[02:46] by this,

[02:47] you know, by the world in which they

[02:49] live, and everybody looking out for

[02:50] everybody.

[02:51] That strikes me as a demonstrable fact

[02:53] of reality and not necessarily anything

[02:55] to

[02:56] So, this is this is this is a plank

[02:58] along with the border

[03:00] and a few other things

[03:01] free speech that become the motivating

[03:06] social

[03:08] energies behind 2016. Why it happens,

[03:11] right? Why Trump is possible at that

[03:13] moment. Why people are open to voting

[03:16] for somebody so unusual in politics. Why

[03:19] people were prepared to take the risk.

[03:21] Epstein is the key that unlocks the

[03:25] secrets, the secret architecture of our

[03:28] world, the way in which power is

[03:31] structured and operates over all of us

[03:33] and over

[03:34] and for its own benefit and for the for

[03:36] the enrichment and engorgement and

[03:37] protection of a couple of people. He

[03:39] represents in one person everything that

[03:42] we worry about, that we fear, that we

[03:44] strongly suspect is happening, and that

[03:46] we're probably right about. He's a

[03:48] symbol for all of it. And

[03:51] it's for Donald Trump who we had

[03:53] previously assumed was somebody who just

[03:56] got us when nobody else did

[03:58] to turn around and say, um, "I don't

[03:59] understand why people are going on about

[04:00] this. I think it's just bad people. Uh,

[04:03] my former supporters, uh, if you if you

[04:05] if you if you if you're into this, I

[04:07] don't want your support."

[04:08] >> Ugh.

[04:08] >> When I heard that my response was very

[04:11] simple.

[04:12] Okay.

[04:13] Okay.

[04:14] >> Yeah, mine was a bit more

[04:18] >> more explicit than

[04:19] >> It was I just was like I said this to

[04:22] Tucker Carlson a few days ago. I would

[04:24] have preferred you saying, "F you.

[04:26] Na-na-na-boo-boo, you can't touch us. We

[04:28] have so much power." Cuz then I would

[04:30] have appreciated

[04:31] >> be mad.

[04:31] At least be mad.

[04:32] >> I would appreciate the honesty, but

[04:34] gaslighting us. Like going back to this

[04:36] Sigmund Freud technique

[04:37] >> Pretending he doesn't know.

[04:38] >> Pretending he don't know. Don't know why

[04:40] we're upset. You fully know why we're

[04:42] upset. You fully know why this matters.

[04:44] In fact, it was your administration

[04:45] people that you now put in your

[04:47] administration who have communicated the

[04:49] importance of Jeffrey Epstein. Remember

[04:51] what we're talking about?

[04:52] Yeah.

[04:52] >> it. You did it. You did it.

[04:54] >> Your sons did it. And so there was just

[04:56] this moment where I wasn't just

[04:58] frustrated, I was angry. I was actually

[05:01] angry. And then the stupidity, which is

[05:04] required for supporters to believe when

[05:07] Pam Bondi then looks over and says, "We

[05:09] don't know if he was working

[05:12] >> Come off it, love.

[05:13] >> Wouldn't you rather then they just say,

[05:15] "F you"? I would prefer that.

[05:16] >> Yes, you're right. You're right.

[05:17] >> It's more respectful to just say, "F

[05:19] you."

[05:19] >> It is And at least at least with "F

[05:21] you", you can say, "Well, there must be

[05:23] a lot going on. You're

[05:25] I'll talk to you when you calm down."

[05:28] At least you At least there's an

[05:29] opportunity to circle back. And and to

[05:31] forgive.

[05:33] And to and to to assume that something

[05:35] must be It's like, "You're going through

[05:37] a lot." You know,

[05:39] something something. Give us something

[05:40] to cling to, but no. Cold, calculated,

[05:43] repeated, "I don't want you." Okay. Um

[05:46] this was a betrayal not just of his

[05:49] supporters, their priorities, and um uh

[05:53] and his own promises.

[05:56] But, it was

[05:57] it was an attempt to deny one of the

[05:59] reasons that he got elected in the first

[06:00] place and pretend that it didn't exist.

[06:03] And this is a level of lie, a level of

[06:05] audacity

[06:07] that is so disrespectful

[06:10] and so outrageous and so extraordinary

[06:12] that it leaves you wondering

[06:14] All right, what have they got on you?

[06:16] What's going on?

[06:18] >> There was something about the

[06:19] gaslighting, too, that for me felt very

[06:21] academic. And what I mean by that is

[06:22] just in in my life and my experience,

[06:24] you find these people who believe so

[06:27] much in their degrees, right? They're

[06:29] they We rule over you because I have a

[06:32] master's degree in this, and I'm smarter

[06:34] than you.

[06:34] >> Blind faith in credentialism.

[06:35] >> Yes, credentialism, without question.

[06:38] And I will tell you right now, the

[06:39] blue-collar people are smarter than

[06:41] them, okay? These people would die if

[06:43] they had to go out and hitch a hitch a a

[06:45] tent in the forest, literally. They

[06:46] wouldn't be able to survive on basic

[06:47] skills.

[06:48] >> Or even do a middle-class job. Be a

[06:49] traffic agent. They wouldn't be able to

[06:51] >> They wouldn't be able to do any of this

[06:51] stuff, right? Common sense is so much

[06:54] more admirable. And when he said that,

[06:56] he basically looked at people who have

[06:58] common sense, right? Who recognize

[07:00] what's happening. They maybe don't hold

[07:02] the degrees of, you know, your ilk,

[07:04] people that graduate to, you know, from

[07:05] U Penn, and their sons go to U Penn.

[07:07] But, they know what Jeffrey Epstein is,

[07:09] and they know what Jeffrey Epstein was.

[07:11] And so, he lost

[07:13] >> And they know he didn't kill himself.

[07:14] >> he didn't kill himself. And so, he lost

[07:16] something that was almost magical about

[07:19] him. Again, like the the ability to be a

[07:20] person that that comes from this class

[07:22] of people, but to be able to speak to

[07:25] the blue-collar work worker, to the

[07:27] middle class. He lost that. He suddenly

[07:29] became one of them in that moment.

[07:31] >> agree. And in in a sense, he he

[07:35] took a a steaming pile of, you know,

[07:37] what, uh on his on his legacy, on his

[07:40] supporters, and on the on the the

[07:43] the

[07:44] underpinning assumptions that he was

[07:47] voted in office

[07:48] uh on the basis of

[07:50] he he

[07:51] he denied who he was. He didn't just lie

[07:55] to us. He didn't just deny us. He denied

[07:57] himself, too. Um that betrayal was a

[07:59] betrayal of his own movement, of his

[08:01] legacy.

[08:03] This was to say Trumpism was fake, it's

[08:06] not real, it's all crazy, you're

[08:08] lunatics, I'm the president, shut up.

[08:11] That was a betrayal of his own

[08:14] uh place in history.

[08:17] >> And let me ask you And that's why it's

[08:18] so unforgivable.

[08:19] >> What could move Trump to betray himself?

[08:22] That's what I'm interested in now. Now

[08:24] it's the why. What does Israel have on

[08:26] Trump? What Is it Israel? I think it's

[08:27] Israel.

[08:28] >> Interesting leap to make, but um not

[08:31] really. Because the last 48 hours, the

[08:33] last 56 hours um have been the worst

[08:39] uh you know, to the extent that I you

[08:41] know, I've had a

[08:42] life in public life, I've had the worst

[08:44] couple of days of my life. To see

[08:46] somebody who, you know, I had a bit of a

[08:47] wobble in 20 whenever it was, you know,

[08:49] I'm not going to lie about that. Um you

[08:51] know, and and I've I've even um

[08:53] served other candidates for high office,

[08:55] you know, in the meantime.

[08:56] But but you know, I began and thought

[08:59] that I would end my political life um at

[09:02] least you know, the extent to which I'm

[09:03] in public life with Trump.

[09:05] And certainly, you know, I was excited

[09:07] about that. You know, you see you see

[09:08] people like Stephen Miller on TV and

[09:09] you're like

[09:11] um

[09:12] uh but to hear him in the last few days,

[09:16] and so I think you're maybe maybe right

[09:17] about that country, to hear him say in

[09:19] the last few days um that um

[09:24] that he you know, that that that

[09:26] to get the message that um his

[09:28] administration was going to deny um

[09:31] disaster relief funds to states that

[09:33] don't um uh, uh, do whatever, Uh, you

[09:36] know, to to to say to to you know, to to

[09:38] to insufficiently, um, uh, um,

[09:41] uh, um,

[09:42] >> Yeah, see if you're boycotting Israel

[09:44] >> and you get

[09:44] >> and you get hit by a hurricane

[09:46] Häagen-Dazs in the fridge instead of Ben

[09:47] & Jerry's, you know, you're screwed. Um,

[09:50] you know, like I mean, that level. And

[09:51] and then the same day after having, you

[09:53] know, um,

[09:54] uh, committed treason in the morning to

[09:55] commit genocide in the afternoon

[09:57] >> And this just

[09:57] >> by saying, uh, you know,

[09:59] by giving indication that Israel be fine

[10:00] to go and just annex Gaza, a place where

[10:02] they have been

[10:03] >> Miriam and By the way, just so

[10:05] everybody's clear, they're also going to

[10:07] take the West Bank. Miriam Adelson came

[10:09] to him and said, "No, we're not just

[10:10] taking Gaza, we're also taking the West

[10:11] Bank and we want you to look the other

[10:12] way and here's a hundred million

[10:13] dollars." So, they're currently going

[10:15] door to door and traumatizing people

[10:17] that live in the West Bank, right?

[10:19] Palestinians that live in the West Bank.

[10:21] And Trump is pretending he doesn't know

[10:23] that's going on and now

[10:26] penalizing Americans who should

[10:28] rightfully be outraged that we pretend

[10:32] we with the leaders of the free world,

[10:34] you know what I mean? Everybody you want

[10:35] to live like us. We've got it all

[10:36] figured out. It's so we have so much

[10:38] high morality and yet you look at what's

[10:40] happening in Gaza and all of our

[10:43] politicians do not have the stomach to

[10:45] say what is so obviously true.

[10:48] >> And what is obviously true is that by

[10:50] the time this is over, Netanyahu's

[10:52] Israel will have eclipsed Hitler's

[10:54] Germany by many, many, um, many, many

[10:57] counts morally speaking and probably by

[10:59] the numbers, too.

[11:01] Because the way that that country is

[11:02] behaving sound, you know, it's the kind

[11:04] of thing that that you know, people are

[11:05] like, "All right, come on, calm down."

[11:06] But no, I mean it. Um, the

[11:10] manner in which they are exterminating

[11:12] innocent children.

[11:13] >> No, it has eclipsed it. Somebody showed

[11:15] that they were using this measure, like,

[11:17] you know, Israel and their propaganda

[11:18] was using this measure for October 7th

[11:20] saying, "This is the equivalent of this

[11:21] would be like by rate killing this many

[11:23] people."

[11:24] >> Well, you get Mark Levin and go on TV

[11:26] >> And they were like, "That would be the

[11:28] equivalent of murdering 44 million

[11:30] Americans."

[11:31] >> If Mark Levin can go on television and

[11:33] say that some losing you know 300 IDF

[11:36] soldiers is equivalent of 3,000 American

[11:38] soldiers, I think perhaps we'll take the

[11:40] same approach to mathematics.

[11:41] >> And now they're not doing that that

[11:42] approach to mathematics anymore.

[11:44] >> Um yes, yes, they've said that but but

[11:45] it interesting isn't it the outcry to

[11:47] both and the one that Trump rolled back

[11:49] and the one he didn't.

[11:51] He rolled back the uh

[11:54] Zionist virtue signaling.

[11:56] Uh uh meaning

[11:57] okay, fine. Let's cut that bit out of of

[12:00] the of the uh of the Homeland FEMA terms

[12:04] which they then tried to pretend that no

[12:06] >> Oh yeah, let's actually show that. Let's

[12:07] actually cuz they think we're the stupid

[12:09] again. He just thinks everybody's so

[12:10] dumb.

[12:11] >> Unbelievable.

[12:11] >> But they actually had the language on

[12:15] the DHS website where they you were not

[12:18] you were going to be denied the funds

[12:20] and I'm I'm just trying to see which

[12:21] line this is on. On the left-hand side

[12:23] is that the Israel

[12:25] Oh, here it is. Yeah, it says

[12:28] with companies doing business in or with

[12:30] Israel or authorized by licensed by

[12:32] organized under the laws of Israel to do

[12:34] business. Discriminatory prohibited. You

[12:35] can't boycott these companies. Then they

[12:37] just delete it and they actually went on

[12:40] Twitter and tried to gaslight the

[12:41] public.

[12:42] This is like it's it's going it's going

[12:43] full Zionist now. They're like we had it

[12:45] on the website. We're going to disappear

[12:47] from the website and then we're going to

[12:48] say, "What are you guys talking about?

[12:50] We never had that language." You know

[12:52] what it's the the Homeland Security

[12:54] is now getting

[12:57] notes added on X for lying. Readers

[12:59] added context they thought you might

[13:00] might like to know this is misleading.

[13:02] DHS terms and conditions only now

[13:04] removed the section stating boycott

[13:06] means refusing to deal, cutting

[13:07] commercial relations, or otherwise

[13:08] limiting commercial relations

[13:10] specifically with with Israeli

[13:11] companies. That was the language they

[13:12] removed it and the Homeland Homeland

[13:14] Security had the nerve to pretend that

[13:17] it wasn't there. That is extraordinary.

[13:19] >> That's the one that they rolled back

[13:20] because that's the one that actually

[13:22] doesn't really matter. It's offensive

[13:24] and it's if it if it had been carried

[13:26] through

[13:27] and and and if they if it if it had been

[13:30] um

[13:31] uh

[13:32] honored, and there had been a disaster,

[13:34] and the state hadn't been ready. I mean,

[13:36] it was because of this, I think maybe

[13:38] you could say

[13:39] it's treason, but it just is. I think

[13:41] it's fair. I think it's fair.

[13:43] >> is treason? Even having the language on

[13:45] that website

[13:46] >> maybe it is. Maybe it is.

[13:47] >> I've been I've been careful about this

[13:49] word, cuz I didn't like it when it was

[13:50] floated all the time. This is treason.

[13:51] It almost became comical.

[13:53] >> close.

[13:54] >> Treason treason This is the closest I've

[13:56] been to saying, "No, actually, if you

[13:58] are were going to deny Americans in need

[14:01] supplies during a time of need because

[14:04] they are within their own free will

[14:06] deciding that

[14:07] >> than bad enough. It's more than bad

[14:09] enough. And I think it probably is that.

[14:11] But it doesn't actually matter because I

[14:13] mean, of course it would matter to the

[14:14] lives if it happened. But the it's based

[14:16] on a on a on a the BDS thing is it's all

[14:18] virtual signaling, right? It's a leftist

[14:20] um thing. And then when when if if if

[14:22] states are are having sanctuary cities,

[14:24] something that you were elected to do,

[14:26] and you want to withhold funds, I

[14:28] wouldn't hold withhold disaster funds

[14:30] over that because that's mental. That's

[14:33] absolutely psychopathic. Um

[14:36] just because somebody lives in a state

[14:37] that has sanctuary cities. I live in

[14:38] California.

[14:39] >> Right.

[14:39] >> What what if there's an earthquake?

[14:40] You're going to let me plunge down a

[14:42] ravine?

[14:42] >> No, sorry.

[14:43] >> Yeah, like that is psychopathic, and

[14:45] that's that's what we were hoping to to

[14:47] defeat uh by keeping um

[14:50] the the the drunk out, but

[14:53] And and the last one. Um but the the the

[14:56] two female presidents stopped by Trump.

[14:57] You can't take that away from him. Uh

[14:58] but but

[15:00] that is psychopathic enough, but but it

[15:01] that's the one ultimately it's it's it's

[15:03] it's kind of virtual signaling in the in

[15:04] the in the gesture, you know.

[15:06] Um but the one he caved on was that. The

[15:09] one nobody has had a thing to say about

[15:11] was giving the nod to Israel to

[15:13] effectively uh move in and just take

[15:16] over huge And and and how recently it

[15:19] was. Think how recently it was

[15:21] that Trump, irritated by disrespect and

[15:25] um

[15:26] and and and bad behavior from Netanyahu,

[15:28] was signaling, when he was here,

[15:31] that maybe America would have a presence

[15:33] in Gaza. That maybe that that would

[15:35] there would be a Trump Tower in Gaza.

[15:37] Not to to to to Netanyahu's visible

[15:40] displeasure and surprise. Saying some of

[15:42] this stuff, right?

[15:43] And and how how soon how quickly we got

[15:46] to the stage where Trump has said,

[15:48] "Yeah, just kidding. They can have it

[15:49] all."

[15:50] >> I think it's performative. I I think

[15:51] Trump's family is invested. If you look

[15:53] at Jared Kushner's the the money that

[15:55] he's spending right now in Israel, I

[15:57] think that's what Trump is more

[15:58] concerned about, which is is his

[15:59] family's legacy. I obviously in my

[16:02] viewpoint, October 7th was planned. It's

[16:04] a false flag. They always had the fact

[16:05] that Miriam Adelson came to him before

[16:07] >> isn't a doubt in my mind.

[16:08] >> Of course it was planned. This is Israel

[16:10] has connected so many false flags in the

[16:11] past. And and then the fact that he's

[16:13] being investigated for that and they're

[16:15] keeping everything hush-hush, saying

[16:16] it's a national security risk about how

[16:18] he was feeding talking points to your

[16:20] country's going through this and you're

[16:21] feeding talking points and you're being

[16:24] investigated for corruption

[16:26] pertaining to what happened on that day.

[16:28] I mean, it's very obvious.

[16:29] >> There are rabbis in Jerusalem today who

[16:31] are saying just this. There are rabbis

[16:32] in Tel Aviv who are saying just this.

[16:35] There's no explanation for the Iron Dome

[16:37] mysteriously not working after its you

[16:39] know, flawless record.

[16:41] What why pilots were kept

[16:43] >> the troops from the border.

[16:44] >> Right. Moved that music music festival

[16:46] to the border. So they had lots of

[16:48] lovely young new balls to kick pathetic

[16:50] victims. Why the IDF was grounded for

[16:53] hours in an area where they could almost

[16:55] hear their own family members in the

[16:57] nearby housing.

[16:58] >> the hostage plan and they just ignored

[17:01] it.

[17:01] >> It is it is not

[17:03] >> Egypt's warnings that there's a build-up

[17:05] happening on the border. We're just not

[17:06] interested right now, actually.

[17:08] >> Suddenly this

[17:09] Let me say this.

[17:09] >> Not interested.

[17:10] >> Mossad knows I like how you call it the

[17:12] Mossad, which is correct.

[17:15] The Mossad know they know how many

[17:18] American Catholic bishops are

[17:19] homosexuals.

[17:21] To the man.

[17:22] Because I bet I met somebody who works

[17:25] in Israeli intelligence who told me, "Oh

[17:26] yeah, it's 80%." I said, "What?" "Oh,

[17:28] 88% of American Catholic bishops." And I

[17:31] said, "What do you mean 88%?" He said,

[17:33] "Oh well, we we you know, we checked."

[17:35] I was like, "What do you mean you

[17:36] checked?" For them not to know what's

[17:38] happening on their own border

[17:40] is ludicrous. It is unbelievable.

[17:43] >> And that would make sense because when I

[17:45] very innocently tweeted, "No country in

[17:47] the world has a right to commit a

[17:48] genocide." It was it 2 years ago or a

[17:50] year and a half ago, and

[17:53] they were they were so reactive, which

[17:55] is such a thing. They knew what was

[17:56] happening the entire time. You know,

[17:58] they had their people in place and to do

[18:01] gaslight the public, their media members

[18:03] in place. You had people like Dave Rubin

[18:04] who reacted to this tweet like I said

[18:05] something so crazy. Like I I thought

[18:07] that was obviously true. We should never

[18:09] be supporting a genocide. And I believe

[18:12] that every every moment of October 7th

[18:15] was planned. And I'm not even just like

[18:17] months in advance, years in advance that

[18:19] they had planned to expand Israel's

[18:20] borders. Same time with what's happening

[18:22] in Syria. Everything seems like it was

[18:25] part of a broader plan.

[18:27] And Trump, I have to ask the question

[18:30] whether or not he was aware.

[18:32] >> he know and when?

[18:33] >> What did he know and when?

[18:34] >> Yeah, I think it's reasonable. And

[18:37] to to

[18:39] you know, to to

[18:41] to try to claim

[18:43] that

[18:46] there's this blind spot where suddenly

[18:49] they just had a failure of intelligence.

[18:51] And but all these other I mean this is a

[18:53] country that has gone so far.

[18:56] An administration, Netanyahu's that is,

[18:58] that's gone so far that they're now

[18:59] willing to sacrifice their own citizens

[19:02] in order to

[19:04] increase their borders. Well, where does

[19:06] that

[19:06] Where do I remember that from?

[19:09] Could it be the word Lebensraum? Could

[19:11] it be a country that did exactly that?

[19:13] And it makes me wonder

[19:14] >> Mhm. well it makes me it reminds me

[19:17] of why we don't give the victims of

[19:19] crime power over

[19:22] sentencing of of of the the

[19:24] perpetrators. Because if you know if the

[19:27] Jewish people suffered

[19:29] to whatever extent you you you know

[19:30] people have their own ideas about that

[19:32] under under the Nazis under the Third

[19:34] Reich and have

[19:37] held on to that as a core part of their

[19:39] identity their victimization at the

[19:42] hands of the Nazis which to some degree

[19:43] of course happened.

[19:46] And define themselves according to that

[19:48] victimhood.

[19:49] They're the last people you want to give

[19:50] a gun to.

[19:51] >> Well or the Bolsheviks who magically

[19:53] disappeared and may have reappeared

[19:55] laundering themselves through

[19:57] as like there are actual actually were

[19:58] Jewish victims during World War II and

[20:00] then there were people like Elie Wiesel

[20:02] and Robert Maxwell who may have actually

[20:04] been you know working for other people

[20:06] doing demonic things and then they just

[20:07] said oh no we were victims too. That's

[20:09] my perception. We know for a fact that

[20:10] some of the Bolsheviks were protecting

[20:11] Israel and these people were mass

[20:13] murdering Christians you know. So you

[20:14] start to ask the question that can't

[20:16] leave you right? When you have the

[20:17] spirit of just

[20:19] murder and lying and deception and gas

[20:23] lighting

[20:24] >> you're encouraged by the

[20:27] mythology that despite the terrible

[20:30] things that you do you are history's

[20:31] greatest victims.

[20:33] And therefore anything you do is somehow

[20:35] justified. It you know this is why we

[20:37] don't give rape victims the power to

[20:40] decide if their rapist you know goes

[20:41] away for life or or or or it gets the

[20:43] death penalty. Why we don't give

[20:46] orphans guns.

[20:48] Because we need

[20:50] grown-ups in the room to decide what's

[20:51] reasonable and to hand

[20:54] or to allow the acquisition of nuclear

[20:56] weapons

[20:58] in the hands of a rogue state that

[21:01] murders its own people by omission or

[21:03] commission

[21:04] that has the ability to take out cities.

[21:09] And it believes that its people are

[21:11] history's great victims.

[21:13] This cannot be allowed.

[21:14] >> Mhm. No, it's it's completely crazy. And

[21:17] this is definitively what Trump his

[21:20] entire legacy is is over. I think it

[21:22] really is over. I think MAGA is over.

[21:23] There's no question. I mean, MAGA with

[21:25] Trump, I guess,

[21:27] leading the movement is completely over.

[21:29] What MAGA will become in the future is

[21:31] kind of what the question is going to be

[21:33] because we're going to have to pivot and

[21:34] recognize whether or not we can emerge

[21:36] as something else.