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Dave Rubin joins Brandon Tatum to discuss the troubling transformation of Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly, two former conservative media giants who have dramatically shifted their positions. Rubin, who knows both personally, explains how the transition from traditional media to independent platforms, combined with the pursuit of clicks and audience attention, led them down a path that culminated in platforming Nick Fuentes shortly after Charlie Kirk's assassination. The conversation explores the mechanics of how fame, algorithms, and selective pressures can corrupt even the most successful broadcasters, while also celebrating the upcoming live event with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis in Miami on June 11th.
The Fall of Conservative Media Icons
Dave Rubin, host of the Rubin Report, joined Brandon Tatum for a candid discussion about the disturbing transformation of two prominent media figures: Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly. Speaking from personal experience, Rubin revealed that both individuals had been friends who visited his home, sent gifts when his children were born, and sought his advice during career transitions. However, their recent shift away from conservative principles has left him deeply disappointed.
Rubin explained that Tucker Carlson's departure from Fox News marked a critical turning point. At Fox, Carlson operated within a structured environment with producers writing content and maintaining editorial standards. When he entered the independent media space, he lost those guardrails. The first guest on his independent show was Douglas Murray, whom Carlson called "the greatest thinker of our time." Yet within months, Carlson was mocking Murray relentlessly due to their opposing views on Israel.
The most troubling moment came when Carlson interviewed Nick Fuentes just three months after Charlie Kirk's assassination. Fuentes was the one person Charlie explicitly wanted kept out of the conservative movement, having made threatening comments about Charlie and his family. Rather than challenging Fuentes, Carlson provided a platform for praise, despite having shown aggressive interviewing skills with figures like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee in the past.
Megyn Kelly's Calculated Pivot
Rubin expressed even greater disappointment in Megyn Kelly, whom he knew personally. He believes Kelly witnessed the attention Carlson received from the Fuentes interview and decided to pursue the same audience. Kelly quickly turned against former friends and allies, ignoring constructive feedback from supporters who questioned her direction. She has since pretended to be a victim while attacking those who previously supported her.
Most revealing was Kelly's inconsistency on Trump. After claiming Trump was ruining the country and being manipulated by others, she recently stated she would endorse him again and doesn't regret her previous endorsement. Rubin predicted that before the midterms, Kelly will fully return to supporting Trump and pretend her recent criticisms never happened.
The Mind Virus of Obsession
Rubin identified what he called a "mind virus" affecting both Carlson and Kelly: an obsessive focus that distorts perspective. Both loved Trump and campaigned for his election, but the moment he made decisions they disagreed with, they blamed manipulation by others rather than accepting Trump might simply have different views. Carlson has contradicted himself, claiming Trump is both controlled by others and a "sorcerer" who can manipulate anyone around him.
The Israel issue became central to their transformation. Rubin noted that if clicks and audience numbers are the primary goal, there are strategic reasons to shift positions. With approximately 2 billion Muslims worldwide versus 16 million Jews, the math favors a certain narrative. Kelly even acknowledged that Carlson is gaining an audience of young Muslim men, revealing the calculated nature of these shifts.
The Cable News Mentality in Independent Media
A key insight from Rubin was that both Carlson and Kelly remain cable news personalities at heart, even in the independent space. They prioritize attention and views above all else because that's what their previous careers conditioned them to value. Rubin contrasted this with creators like himself and Tatum, who entered independent media authentically saying what they believe and attracting audiences who agree, rather than calculating positions based on potential reach.
Rubin also raised questions about funding, noting rumors that Carlson receives Qatari money. Carlson visited Qatar, claimed he was buying a house there, and went to Saudi Arabia saying he felt safe as a Christian in "the seat of Islam," despite Saudi Arabia having no Christian churches except for slave laborers who have had their passports stolen. The inconsistency between claiming Christian values while defending countries that suppress Christianity raised serious questions about motivations.
Celebrating Success: An Evening with Ron DeSantis
Shifting to positive news, Rubin discussed his upcoming live event with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on June 11th at the Fillmore in Miami Beach. The event celebrates DeSantis as he approaches his final months as governor of what Rubin calls "the freest state in the union." With 2.3 million people moving to Florida during DeSantis's tenure, the state represents a model for what a successful America could look like.
The evening will feature a live Rubin Report with that day's news, a sit-down conversation with Governor DeSantis, stand-up comedy from Adam Carolla, and appearances by Ben Shapiro and Jillian Michaels. Rubin wants to show the side of DeSantis that people didn't see during his presidential campaign—the relaxed version having whiskey and cigars, talking baseball with his feet up. The goal is to celebrate the victories and demonstrate that conservative governance works.
The Importance of Integrity in Media
Throughout the conversation, both Rubin and Tatum emphasized the critical importance of integrity in independent media. Rubin acknowledged he will get facts wrong occasionally, misremember dates, or make incorrect predictions, but these mistakes come from good faith efforts, not calculated deception. He pointed out Carlson's pattern of making dramatic claims without evidence, such as stating "everyone knows" about treachery in the administration, then admitting when pressed that he doesn't actually know anyone in government or have any evidence.
Tatum emphasized that he never created content for money but because he wanted to express genuine beliefs. The fact that it became financially successful was fortunate but not the driving motivation. This authenticity attracts audiences who share similar values, creating sustainable communities rather than chasing temporary trends. The conversation served as both a warning about how even successful figures can lose their way and a reminder that lasting influence comes from consistency and honesty rather than viral moments and algorithm gaming.
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I think what happened was when he left Fox, >> [music] >> he went from a sort of controlled environment where he was crushing it, by the way. And then he entered the wild west, he entered our world where there were no rules. And then he didn't have the staff that he used to have, he didn't have the producers. And I think he just started going in crazy ways. Megan, she's she's more of a disappointment to me because I knew [music] her personally so well. And to see that she's so obviously [music] doing it for the clicks. >> saw her on an interview and someone was asking her about support would she support Trump again. You want Republicans to get wiped out in the midterms and say voters are turning on Trump. Now obviously you endorsed him. I would endorse him again. You know, I I don't regret endorsing him. >> He's ruining the country according to them. Mark my words, man, before the midterms she will be supporting Trump again. She will pretend that this never happened, I guarantee you. The way you explained it and described [music] it, people should be listening and understanding that this is a real thing where people will go after clicks and audiences. What's going on, ladies and gentlemen? Uh exciting interview. I think this is one of the first times I've interviewed this gentleman on my show. But Dave Rubin, he's the host of the Rubin Report, y'all all know who he is. All right, Dave has an upcoming live event uh with Ron DeSantis in Miami. You don't want to miss it, it's on June 11th and it's going to be fire. Maybe I need to fly out there for that uh to go check it out. So, without further ado, help me welcome to the show Dave Rubin. Dave, what's up, [clears throat] man? >> Brandon. It's good to see you, my friend. You know, I don't want to read the whole list that I have here in front of me, but you are currently ranked seventh on my top 10 sane people of the internet list right now. It moves every week. You're usually in the top 10, you are seventh right now, so All right, cool. >> you can do with that what you will. I don't know if you want to We don't send awards or anything. I got to I got to work harder, man. I need to I need to be number one at some point, but no, I I appreciate that. It is It is a short list for sure of people who have intelligence [clears throat] and sanity and that are just reasonable. But before we get to that because I want to talk about the fall of some of the the conservative movement. I don't even They're not conservative anymore in my personal opinion. I think they're sciapps, but I want to talk first about the event with Ron DeSantis. I I think that's incredibly interesting and incredibly important. Can you tell us a little bit about the event in Miami on June 11th? Yeah, thanks. You know, I'm super psyched to do this. We're doing it at the Fillmore in Miami Beach, which is an absolutely gorgeous theater. Bill Maher shot his last HBO special there. I was on tour with Jordan Peterson. We did a couple shows there a few years back. And the idea here really was, you know, DeSantis is rolling into his last you know, half year basically as governor of the freest state in the union, the citadel of freedom as he calls it and really the model for what a future successful America could look like. And I thought, you know, could we do a real celebration of that with him? And you know, DeSantis, for all the great things about him, people when he was campaigning to be president, people like, "Ah, he was a little stiff. We didn't get to see like the fun side or anything else." You know, I've gotten to know him quite a bit and I've been to dinners with him where afterwards, you know, he's having a whiskey and he has a cigar and his feet are up and he's talking about baseball and I know there's this other guy there. And I want people to see that, but I also really do want it to be a celebration of all the great things that he's done, you know, 2.3 million people have moved to Florida since this guy's been governor. And that tells you everything you need to know. You know, you've you've been here and you've been to my house and you know what it's like to to see a place that is just flourishing and working and I'm so proud to be a little part of that. So yeah, so we're going to have the governor. We're going to write. We're going to do a live Ruben Report. So I'm going to write the show that morning with that day's news. Then we'll do a sit-down with the governor. Adam Carolla is going to do a little bit of stand-up. We got Ben Shapiro coming in for a little bit and Jillian Michaels. We're just going to have fun. I mean, I'm I'm hearing rumors of tequila. I know you're you're a whiskey bourbon guy, right? >> I'm a bourbon guy. >> Yeah, yeah. I I know. I'm trying to push every all my conservative friends, you know, I'm trying to push everybody to tequila. >> [laughter] >> So, there'll be some tequila. And uh and yeah, it's just going to be fun and and just a an acknowledgement of a guy who deserves some acknowledging here. You know, we'll see where he ends up in the future and you know, there's all sorts of rumors that maybe he jumps to the administration or something. Uh but he's just done such good work here and I just wanted to help celebrate that a little bit. Yeah, Dave. I think that's an incredible idea. I I love to see conservatives get together and and we need to celebrate our victories because we do have people like Ron DeSantis who is doing his thing. And then a lot of people that get the focus is Gavin Newsom and these idiots that are out here ruining their states. So, yeah. Florida is is been incredible, man. Every time I go to Florida, you know, my wife sometimes she say she want to move to Florida and I'm like, it's just way too far for me. I got to you know, we're moving all the way across the country from Arizona. >> Listen. I hate to tell you, but you know, I'm working I keep pushing DeSantis on this entry tax idea. I don't love the idea of taxes. So, we could call it something else perhaps, an entry fee or something. But, you know, it's sort of a joke, the entry tax idea. And he's he's mentioned it kind of in a joking way in some press conferences. But, at some point, if Cali continues to go the way Cali's going, which it's showing no signs of reversing. If New York, and you look at the city under Mom Dami, if they keep going that road route, well, everyone's going to keep coming here. And at some point, I actually don't think it's uh unfair or unjust to say to somebody, "Hey, you know, all you billionaires, millionaires, but just regular folks, too. You guys are all coming. Well, maybe for the first year that you work here, the state gets 1% of that and it and 100% of those proceeds have to go to building infrastructure cuz we're building and we're building fast and we do it without fraud. So, you know, we can do things on the cheap and we don't you know, we have no state income tax, as you know, too. So, it's not like we need money per se. He's also trying to get rid of property tax, but it's like, you know, throw a little skin in the game. You're going to now you're going to now be part of the beautiful thing that we've created here that represents all the good pieces of America and freedom and capitalism and all that. Maybe there's a little something you could throw in. And by the way, I say that with all due irony. I've only been here I'm rolling into my fifth year in December. It will be our 5-year anniversary. I would glad if they tell me I have to pay it retroactively, I'll pay something. I just think we have to You're right. We have to celebrate the wins and show people it does not have to be this way. Most people forget that when they're living in some of the places we just mentioned. Yeah, incentivized uh giving is always a positive thing in my personal opinion. You know, when you love the state, you want to give back. Just like my state, the state of Arizona. I love the state. Uh it's been very good to me and my business. You don't have to pull my arm to say, "Hey, we're going to do something legitimate and we're going to do it without fraud. We're going to make sure that when we say we're going to build something, it's going to be built and it's going to be timely and it's going to be efficient." You Take Come on. Let's do it because I do, you know, believe in the in what we do here. Well, I love what you said, incentivized giving. So, if you don't want to call it an end You know, I don't know how realistic any of this really is, but if you don't want to call it an entry tax or a fee, what you could say is, "Hey, you know, we just got these literally, I think we've gotten about a dozen billionaires in the Miami area alone just in the last 6 months or so." I mean, Thiel moved here. We know Sergey Brin is here. Uh Ken Griffin is now down here. There's a There's a whole slew of them that are coming down here, right? You could say to them, "Well, how about we we do something to incentivize giving where you guys are new here, you have a ton of money, we're thrilled you're here. Maybe for everybody that comes now, or if you've come in the last 5 years, for every dollar you donate, let's say to the state to help improve the state services." Donate, not forced taxation, they'll match it or something like that. Like there really are creative ways to get all of us to have a little more skin in the game. >> Especially when you have people who are billionaires. You know, a lot of and know a lot of wealthy people in personally and like a lot of wealthy people that I know, they they're very generous. I don't think they they're not as greedy and weird like some of the socialists are saying. Like they're they're looking for ways to invest their money and make it reasonable, right? I mean, if you can tell a billionaire, "Hey, invest in the city." And then there's a there's a you know, a kickback that you can get that's legal. Invest in the city, you can do this or bring more billionaires to the city and we can do this because there's no billionaire that wants to have a city and no real infrastructure where his traffic is out of control and all these other things. I think they love what Florida has to offer and they're willing to give. I want to get I want to get to some of the topics related to the movement. I know you talked about it probably till you till you turn blue in the face on your show. But I saw a clip of you and you know, it just it crossed my feed and I was like, "Thank goodness that we have sane people that are talking about this." It was one was about Tucker Carlson and that dumpster fire of an interview he did. And then Megan Kelly goes on literally like Stevie Wonder as if she can't I know Helen Keller, she can't see [laughter] or hear what happened on the Yeah, yeah, give Stevie a little credit. The guy can hear. >> Yeah, at least he can hear. She can't hear or see. And and I'm just I just want to hear your take on it, man, cuz I can see the frustration in your voice and like you say the things that that I want to say when it comes to the behavior of some of these individuals. Like what do you think about and it's not just Tucker as a person. It's what Tucker is doing and saying. It's not really Megan Kelly as a person. I like personally, I don't really know them. I've never sat down with them. I've never had a bourbon with them or smoked a cigar with them. I I really liked them to a certain degree at first, but it's the the the spirit behind what they're doing is so deranged to me. And so my question to you is that what what do you think is the driving factor behind the the big shift with with um you know, Megyn Kelly and also Tucker Carlson? So, I'll get to the driving factor in a sec, but first let me just say something as that I think you'll really appreciate because you and I exist in a world that is a public world where people see what we're doing, right? We're doing video right now. We're on Twitter all the time, all that stuff. And then also a lot of us become kind of friendly together or we know each other. Megyn's been to my house and drank tequila with me and ate my chicken parm and sent my kids gifts when they were born and I gave her advice when uh you know, she left Fox and then she was trying to go independent. You know, I was independent basically before anybody. So, she I think I was one of the first I know I was one of the first people she came to. She blurbed one of my books. Tucker blurbed one of my books. I have tried over the last year to reach out to both of them privately as I saw things going askew. I never never For example, Brandon, if you if you and I had a met you know, I'm sure we have some political disagreements. I don't really care what they are. You're a great guy. You love America. Like you want people to be free. So, it's like who cares really if you have some political disagreements. But let's say there was something that you and I really disagreed on hardcore and I saw you making a video that I just absolutely thought was awful or whatever. 100% before just attacking you on Twitter or anything else, I would text you. I have done this with many people over the years. I used to try to do it with Candace. I mean, I've I've been through the ringer with a lot of these people. And but but 100% even though I don't know you super well, you know, I think really the only time we actually broke bread together ironically was at Charlie Kirk's was at Candace's wedding and that was and I was sitting between you and your wife and uh Charlie and then his his then fiance Erica. It's the only time I ever met her. But the point is for those of us that do this publicly, there's the sausage making part of it where we all kind of know each other at various levels and and that can be tricky when when some of the crazy stuff starts happening. >> [gasps] >> So look, I think there's two different things happening here when it comes to them. I think that Tucker needed desperately the rules that were around cable news. He had producers that were writing his stuff. He was reading it off a prompter. Obviously, he did some impromptu stuff. I used to do that show all the time. Actually, the first time I did it in person, I was surprised how much he was reading off the prompter cuz you know, when you're a good broadcaster, you don't it doesn't appear that you're reading off a prompter even if you are, right? Like you and I are not reading off prompters right now. You might have something just so you remember the date of the show or whatever. Um but I was really surprised how much he had been reading off that. But basically, I think what happened was when he left Fox, he went from a sort of controlled environment where he was crushing it by the way. And that's why I was always thrilled to go on his show and it was number one show and everything else. And then he entered the wild west. He entered our world. Where there were no rules. And then he didn't have the staff that he used to have. He didn't have the producers. And I think he just started going in crazy ways. So if you look at the beginning, it literally if the first show that he did as an independent person, you know who the first guest was? Mhm. It was Douglas Murray. Oh yeah. >> Douglas Murray who he said he said something to the effect of is the greatest thinker of our time and someone if I was ever going to launch a show should be the first guest. Now he relentlessly mocks Douglas Murray because they're on opposite sides of well, everything or in in Tucker's world is about Israel. So they happen to be on the opposite side of Israel stuff. So he mocks the hell out of uh out of Douglas. Um you know, three months into doing his show, he has the guy who claimed that he blew Obama in a limo. Like just all of he was just sort of everywhere. Then I think what happened with him was he got he saw the energy around this Fuentes kid, and he was like, I want that. And the sickest part of all of what's happened, you know, post the Charlie post Charlie's assassination, is that 3 months after Charlie's assassinated, Tucker brings Fuentes on to glaze him. Now, he could put it whoever the hell he wants on his show. That's just fine, just like I can and you can. Puts him on the show. There was only one, you know this, Brandon there Brandon, there was only one person Charlie didn't want in this movement, and it was Nick. And Nick often talked about how he he literally said, I effed your baby, and now you know, the Groypers are running this thing now and everything else. So, within 3 months of his death, if you're friends with Charlie, why would you put on your show the guy the one guy he wanted on the outside, and then not criticize him at all when you know, when Tucker wants to go after somebody, look what he did to Ted Cruz, look what he did to Mike Huckabee, etc. He can be as combative and, you know, and push back as much as anybody, right? So, I think what happened, two things happened there. Tucker was like, I want that. And then really went in on it, right? And then started getting clicks and attention and everything else. And this is a These are They're cable news guys. You got to remember, Megan and Tucker, they come from that world. They're like trans people now, in a way. Now they're they think They're like pretending they're us, but they're really still cable news people. So, what they care about is attention and and views more than anything else. And I think two things happened on that day. Tucker puts him on, and and he felt he could grab that energy. And by the way, Fuentes is now completely turned on him cuz he's like, you know, Tucker's running around saying he regrets doing the interview, and he's like, well, when he we were in person, he couldn't have been nicer and everything else. So, they they deserve that. But then the other thing that happened that day was Megan saw it. She saw it, and she was like, damn, that that is shiny right there. I want some of that. And she changed pretty damn quickly right after that. And she has turned on so many people, so many friends. There were so many people, you know, if you look at her mentions on Twitter right now, and I know it's it's not real life, but for months and months when she was starting this turn, there were so many good people uh on Twitter that were not being mean to her. They were kind of point, "Hey Megan, I think maybe you're missing this or you're going a little too close to that or why don't you address this or why aren't you saying anything about Candace as she's going after Erica or any of these things?" They were not attacking her or anything else. And now she's pretending that she was the victim in all of this. And then the one other the one other thing that I will add to that, and I don't do this that often, which is why I'm only kind of adding it as a caveat, is that I do think that something around Jew hatred becomes a mind virus. Yes. >> If you think that everything revolves around the Jews, right? Then your whole world will spin out of control. So, think about it this way. Tucker and Megan both loved Trump, right? Both campaigned to get him elected. They were literally at campaign events before he was elected this time. Then the second he does something that they don't like, and I I do accept that Tucker doesn't like it. Megan, I don't know what she really thinks about anything anymore. But then suddenly it's that it's that Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin and Bibi Netanyahu control Trump. Or as Tucker said, Trump some So, on one hand it's like, all right, he's controlled by other people, but then in that New York Times interview, he also said that Trump is a sorcerer and when you're around him, he can get you to do anything. So, which is it? Is he being manipulated by Mark Levin, a 79-year-old AM radio host, and I like Mark, but you get my point. Is he being manipulated by Mark Levin or is he a sorcerer who can literally, the way he looks at you, you start behaving in different ways? And and I think it's basically that. I think that's what's happening. And then uh and then I'll stop talking real quick is that Megan over the last couple days, she basically said on her show, you know, Tucker is getting this new audience of of young Muslim men. Well, yeah, he's taken a turn against Israel, a tiny little country the size of New Jersey surrounded by 55 Muslim states. There's an obsession with the one absurdly tiny Jewish state where, by the way, the Muslims have more voting rights than in any of their own states and everything else. But, yeah, if you just care about numbers, if numbers and clicks mean everything to you, well, there's about 2 billion Muslims in the world. There's about 16 million Jews. Which way would you go? I don't care if I get more clicks. That is the truth. I've been doing this for a long time. I'm making a decent living. If it goes away tomorrow, I you know, I still want to be in the NBA. That's the real dream here. So, So, so I think there's just a lot of selective pressures. I think there's business pressures. I think there's there's wacky fame incentives. I think algorithms have manipulated people. I do think there's some weird there's some weird thing. It's like, man, we love this guy. The second he doesn't do something we want, it's the Jews. Like, that's just so that's literally the type of anti-Semitic crap that they would do before the state of Israel that now they just blame on the state of Israel. So, it's a lot, man. It's a lot. Yeah, but I think that every I'm hoping that everybody that watched this paid attention and listened to exactly what you said. Because some of the people who are on the outside, which they're not creating content like this, they're not in them in the circle. They can see it from the from the outside in part, but to understand in its totality how these things happen and how they function, the way you explained it and described it, people should be listening and understanding that this is a real thing where people will go after clicks and audiences because you have to think about it like this. You and I have integrity, especially when it comes to this stuff. I I I never did this for money. Thank goodness that it does well, but I didn't do it for money. And I don't do it to to to to go after an audience. I say what I feel, and the people that agree with me, they follow me. That's That's it. I'm just being me and there's a lot of people like me and they follow me. And and and that's all that all this has been, but there's other people who have a a more of a strategy or a motive and they can see the writing on the wall that when Trump I mean not Trump, but when Charlie passed away, there's a vacuum. Who's jockeying for what audience? And these people are attaching this stuff to money and there's a lot of money, fame, endorses that you unlock if you pick the right angle even if it's temporary. Right. Well, by the way, I didn't even mention the money component. You know, I talked about clicks, but you know, there's all sorts of rumors around that Tucker is getting Qatari money and remember he went to Qatar and said he was buying a house there. This is the same guy who who says he's a Christian. I can only take his word for that, I suppose, although he only defends Islam and and then went to Saudi Arabia, said I'm in the seat of Islam and I feel safe as a Christian. There are literally no Christian churches in Saudi Arabia. The the churches that exist in Qatar are for the basically the slave laborers there who come mostly from you know, Indonesia and Asian countries and then literally they have their passports stolen and they are quite literally slaves for the Qatari royal class. So, I don't know, is that is that very Christian of him? I'm not really sure. So, could there be Qatari or Saudi or or other money there? You know, I don't know. A lot of people say there is. Who the hell knows, but I'm with you. All I can do after all these years is have my word, man. Like that's it. I can tell people what I think and you can agree or disagree, but that's it. That's it and I'm going to get some things right and I'm going to get some things wrong. I've gotten plenty of things wrong. I my guys sometimes have to correct me on the show, get a stat wrong or you know, misremember a date or whatever it might be, get a political prediction wrong, you know, like anything all those things, but that that's in good faith. When you see people, so for example, in the New York Times interview, Tucker talks about there's all this treachery. There's this treachery, the neocon treachery around J.D. Vance, and they've been trying to take him out. And he says something like, "Everyone knows it," which is one of his little mnemonic tricks. He always does this thing, "Everyone knows it." And then Lulu, whatever her name is, Lulu Navarro, the interviewer, goes, "Okay, so who who who who in the administration?" And then it's not that he cry he crumbles in the most epic way. He's like He's like, "Well, I don't know. I'm not in the government. I don't really know anybody, and I I I'm not in the White House, so how would I know?" It's like, "Well, wait a minute. You just said everyone knows, and now you can't give us one shred of evidence on that." Let's not forget, Brandon, Tucker also, at the height of the Iran war a month and a half ago, claimed that a bunch of Mossad agents were caught in Qatar. Qatar, which loves Tucker, had to put out a statement saying it wasn't true. Did he ever correct that? Remember, a month ago he claimed that the CIA or the FBI was doing an investigation into him. Whatever happened to that? So, he has an incredible track record of lying to his audience, but the Look, if if I on my show if I on my show started just saying to my audience, "You know, if Donald Trump did something that I didn't like tomorrow, I would critique him on it. I I I happen to think he's been pretty damn perfect, especially in the second go-round, but there's no you know, there's no doubt he could do something that I would disagree with. But would I suddenly say, "He obviously he disagrees with me on one thing, so he's a sellout, or he's manipulated?" The idea Donald Trump, after all this, is manipulated is completely completely and utterly absurd. But just real quick back to Megan, she's she's more of a disappointment to me because I knew her personally so well. And to see that she's so obviously doing it for the clicks. Again, she just Tucker was part of the thing with Fuentes. She just saw it and was like, "I'm going for that." She really hitched her wagon to it, but mark my words, man, before the midterms, she will be supporting Trump again. She will be back and she will pre- She will pretend that this never happened. I guarantee you. Uh you you you're right on point because I just saw her on an interview and someone was asking her about support Would she support Trump again? And she literally said, "I I would do it again. I would endorse Trump again." It's like you It's the craziest thing ever, Dave, because >> So, let me get this straight. The guy's The guy's being manipulated by AM radio hosts, but you'll vote for him again, even though you have no idea who he is or who's pulling the strings. It's completely absurd. >> the country according to them. He's getting us in a in a war that's going to ruin America forever, and he's and he's he If you're going to say that he's bought and paid for by somebody or he's controlled, that's that's committing treason. You're saying that he's a treasonous president that's being manipulated and is going to destroy our entire country and and and its existence is going to be no more because of his behavior, but you're endorsing him again. Here Here's the thing that I think is super crazy [laughter] and then we I know you you we're running a long time. The thing The thing that's super crazy is the the whole Tucker believes that Donald Trump is manipulated by somebody. Donald Trump literally on X is like unhinged. Like he he says whatever he Even if it's crazy, Trump will say it. Trump go after people. He mock people. And then he just said, "I'mma kill everybody tonight if we if y'all don't do [laughter] Like you You're telling me that man will say that with all the backlash that's afoot, threatening another country like that has allies. And you think that Benjamin Netanyahu, who's half-loved, half-hated in his own country, can fly over here once a month or something and convince Donald Trump? I mean, Donald Trump literally made a picture and some people think he was saying he was Jesus. Donald Trump does not care. He's going to do what he wants to do. And there's no way that guy that runs a country that's smaller than California. I mean, it's it's New Jersey size. That's not even New York. >> No, it's literally the size of New Jersey. I mean, if you don't if you don't include Judea and Samaria, it's 9 mi wide. Right. And if you go and if you that's just the state of Israel in the in the in the main the main court. We're not even talking about Gaza and the West Bank. I mean, it even gets smaller. And if you're talking about the Jews and you leave out the Arab people that live in in the you know, Israel proper, you're talking about even smaller population of people. And you're telling me a guy running that country. And then and then Tucker in the interview there. He said he says um America's you know, like obviously like 20 30 times the size of Israel and and uh he says, "I'll listen." He go, "And in a snap of a you know, a snap of a finger, we can defund them or not fund their military and they won't be a country." And but but you think that we can do that to them and they but they run us. It's crazy. >> Right. The well, there's so many things there. First off, when everyone says this thing about aid, look, I'm more than happy to have some conversation about foreign aid in general, but the money that we quote-unquote give them, they have to spend 80% of it in the United States. So, it's really a subsidy for our own military-industrial complex. Barack Obama Barack Obama forced them to do that, by the way. I think it was a very clever way of keeping Israel kind of under the foot of America. If I was Israeli, I'm not Israeli, but I would want to be as independent as possible. So, you they have to start creating more and they are doing this and and you know, because they are a world leader in AI and technology as war changes, you know, the idea of needing huge aircraft uh carrier aircraft carriers and the idea of needing all these planes and all this stuff, which by you know, as as Hegseth has said multiple times, these are the two most effective armies in the world. So, our enemies are not thrilled that we are partners, which is partly why these people are so apoplectic. But the point is conventional warfare in the way we think of it is changing. I mean, you know, it's all going to be drones and AI and robots and all the rest of it. And they are leaders in that. So, um the idea that we're just giving them money is not true. In a weird In a weird way, you could argue that we have a vested interest in keeping them at war because they need our tools for war. Uh but my hope is that, you know, Trump Trump has been right about so much and my hope and and my belief right now is that we will get you know, we're in the midst of the ceasefire right now. We control the Strait of Hormuz. The The regime has largely been decapitated. I think they hopefully will stop funding terror. I think most of the Arab and Muslim states are realizing Israel's not the enemy. I hope we get some expansion of the Abraham Accords. And and then we could have some version of peace. It doesn't mean everybody there walking down the street of Riyadh is going to love the Jews, but if they go, "Okay, we're not going to dedicate our lives to destroying them," then then we could have something peaceful. But again, if if Trump just tomorrow, if he suddenly took all the opposite approaches, I wouldn't say it's because he's bought and sold. I would say he has a he had an a change of opinion, which by the way, if you look at his track record on Look at his track record for 40 years on what he was saying on Iran. The fact that Tucker and Megan are so surprised by this This is exactly what he said. And by the way, when when you talk about the kind of like how they were obsessed with the Jews, it's interesting. They'll blame So, this is Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin's fault, even though Marco Rubio has the same track record of saying this stuff. But he's Cuban, not Jewish. Or Pete Hegseth, who's been, you know, unbelievable uh leader of our war department, but also really a communicator as how these armies are working together. But they don't go after Hegseth, right? So, it's just like, "Oh, we can find any" They love going after Steven Miller, though. So, it's like sometimes the game is almost too obvious in a weird way. Yeah, 1,000%. I know you we're running low on time, but hey, um I want to just give a quick recap on the event. It seemed like it's going to be a tremendous event out in Miami. You got You're going to be Ron DeSantis is going to be there. Adam Carolla, Jillian Michaels, Ben Shapiro is going to show up. It's a I don't know man. I got to look at my clock but there's maybe a good chance that I I love my Listen, Miami I mean it truly is the hottest city in the entire country right now. Like everything's just booming here in the best possible way and it's safe and clean and new restaurants every day. We're going to give away some tequila. I'm going to get you on the tequila if it kills me. >> I don't discriminate. I don't discriminate so [laughter] if you if you want some tequila I'll get it. We'll get you some tequila. Yeah, no. It's going to It's going to be a great night as I said. It's going to be a celebration of Florida but but it's going to be a lot of fun. We're doing giveaways all kinds of all kinds of crazy stuff and and as I said right the show that day. So it it is it will be a one-time only. That's good. That's good. Well awesome Dave, thank you so much for coming on. Y'all remember it's on the June 11th at the Fillmore in Miami Beach. So God bless you man. Uh thank you so much for coming on and uh enjoy the >> Brendan, I just moved It's good to see you my friend. I just moved you to number four. Oh, is that right? Yeah, there you go. Next [laughter] interview I'll be number two. All right, I we going to we going to make it happen. All right. If I get a little tequila I'll be number one. Oh, tequila you're number one. Easy, no problem. All right, thanks Dave. Appreciate you man. >> [music] [music]