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Brandon Tatum Condemns Tucker Carlson for Platforming Nick Fuentes and Failing to Defend Charlie Kirk's Legacy
Brandon Tatum delivers a passionate critique of Tucker Carlson's interview with Nick Fuentes, calling out Carlson's failure to challenge Fuentes on his praise of Stalin, Hitler, and relentless attacks on Charlie Kirk. Tatum argues that by not pushing back against Fuentes' extreme statements and vitriolic criticism of Kirk and Turning Point USA, Carlson betrayed his supposed friendship with Kirk. Drawing on biblical scripture, Tatum defends Christian Zionism and explains why Israel holds significance for believers, contrasting Kirk's principled stance with Fuentes' hateful rhetoric. Tatum questions why Carlson would threaten to physically confront a young man at an event for mentioning his father's CIA background, yet sit cordially with Fuentes who called Carlson a CIA operative and his father complicit in intelligence operations.
Tucker Carlson's Interview With Nick Fuentes Sparks Outrage
Brandon Tatum opens with a direct challenge to Tucker Carlson, expressing disappointment not over the decision to interview controversial figure Nick Fuentes, but over Carlson's failure to push back against Fuentes' extreme statements. Tatum focuses on a specific moment where Fuentes casually mentions remembering December 18th as Joseph Stalin's birthday, declaring himself "a fan" and "always an admirer" of the Soviet dictator. Rather than challenging this disturbing admission, Carlson simply suggested they "circle back to that" and moved on.
Tatum emphasizes that this wasn't a joke. Fuentes openly stated his admiration for Stalin, a leader responsible for the deaths of millions, and Carlson let it pass without confrontation. For Tatum, this represents a profound betrayal, particularly given Carlson's supposed friendship with Charlie Kirk, whom Fuentes has relentlessly attacked for years.
Nick Fuentes' Long History of Attacking Charlie Kirk
Tatum plays extensive clips documenting Fuentes' sustained campaign against Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA. In these recordings, Fuentes uses vulgar language to describe his ideological infiltration of Turning Point USA, claiming he "took your organization" and has "impregnated" it with his followers, whom he calls "groypers." Fuentes boasts that Kirk has moved closer to his positions over time while questioning Kirk's dignity and honor for refusing to debate him.
The rhetoric escalates as Fuentes calls Kirk "some idiot," an "unexceptional human being," a "fake Christian," and questions whether Kirk truly serves Christ or the devil. Fuentes declares that Kirk "hates our country," is "unamerican," and suffers from what Fuentes suggests might be Asperger's syndrome. He estimates Kirk's IQ at around 90-95 and calls him "not an intellectual heavyweight."
Fuentes' attacks extend beyond Kirk's character to his fundamental beliefs, particularly his support for Israel. Fuentes describes Christian Zionists as practicing "Christian heresy" and claims to be personally offended as a Christian by their existence. He singles out figures like Ted Cruz for what he perceives as dual loyalty to Israel.
The Biblical Case for Christian Zionism
In response to these attacks, Tatum provides a detailed explanation of Zionism from a Christian perspective. He clarifies that Zionism simply means believing that the Jewish people have a right to an independent state in the land promised to them according to scripture. Tatum argues that this position is thoroughly biblical, citing multiple passages:
- Romans 11:1 - "I ask then, has God rejected his people? By no means"
- Romans 11:25 - Describing the partial hardening of Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles
- Romans 11:28-29 - "For the gifts and callings of God are irrevocable"
- Amos 9:15 - God's promise that Israel "shall never again be uprooted out of the land"
- Genesis 17:7-8 - God's everlasting covenant with Abraham and his descendants regarding the land of Canaan
Tatum emphasizes the word "irrevocable" in Paul's letter to the Romans, arguing that God's covenant with the Jewish people regarding the land of Israel remains in effect. He asserts that Jesus, all His apostles, and Paul were Zionists in this biblical sense.
Charlie Kirk's Defense of Israel and Christian Zionism
Tatum plays clips of Charlie Kirk articulating his own position on Israel. Kirk describes how visiting Israel transformed his faith, allowing him to walk where Jesus walked, to see the places mentioned in scripture come to life. Kirk describes visiting Bethlehem where Jesus was born, Nazareth where He was raised, and Capernaum where He walked on water.
Kirk defends his statement that Christians who don't love Israel take their Bible for granted. When challenged by a questioner who doesn't understand why it matters where Jesus was born, Kirk becomes emotional, explaining that seeing the physical locations of biblical events convinced him that scripture represents real history, not fables or fairy tales.
Kirk draws on Genesis, Romans, and First Thessalonians to support the principle that those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who scorn Israel will be scorned. He clarifies that he's not an apologist for everything the Israeli government does, but he will defend the significance of the Holy Land where his Lord and Savior lived.
Kirk's Response to Anti-Semitic Rhetoric
In another powerful clip, Kirk addresses the rising popularity of figures like Nick Fuentes who blame Jewish people for societal problems. Kirk calls this worldview "demonic" and "from the pit of hell," receiving applause from his audience.
Kirk argues that an entire generation faces legitimate challenges - economic resentment, inability to own homes, difficulty getting married and having children, depression, anxiety, and screen addiction. However, he insists that blaming these complex problems on 0.2% of the world's population represents "sloppy and shallow thinking."
Instead of victimhood and blame, Kirk calls on young people to take personal responsibility. He encourages them to view their challenges as an adventure to overcome, to prove everyone wrong, to become victors rather than victims. Referencing Jordan Peterson, Kirk suggests they should "sit up straight with your shoulders back," make themselves interesting, and learn something new every day rather than engaging in what he calls "brain rot."
Tucker Carlson's Double Standard
Tatum highlights what he sees as a glaring inconsistency in Carlson's behavior. At a campus event, when a young man mentioned that Carlson's father worked for the CIA, Carlson threatened to "kick your ass" if the topic came up again, calling his father "a wonderful man." Yet when Carlson later interviewed Nick Fuentes, who had publicly called Carlson "a CIA agent" and "an operative," and made extensive accusations about Carlson's father Dick Carlson's work with Voice of America and alleged intelligence connections, Carlson showed no similar anger.
Tatum plays a clip of Fuentes laying out his theory that Tucker Carlson is a CIA operative based on his father's work directing Voice of America, his application to the CIA after college, his presence in Nicaragua during the Iran-Contra affair, and the background of people who employed him early in his career. When Carlson finally sat down with Fuentes, rather than confronting him about these serious accusations, the two had what Tatum describes as a cordial conversation where they metaphorically "smelled butts like dogs."
In their discussion, Carlson even admitted that after his father died, he learned that his father was indeed "involved in that world," which shocked him. Carlson expressed confusion about how Fuentes, whom he described as "this child from Chicago," would know about his father's intelligence connections. Rather than anger, Carlson showed vulnerability, saying accusations that he works for the CIA are "deranged" and "very offensive" to him because he "really hates the CIA."
Fuentes' Praise for Hitler and Stalin
Beyond his attacks on Kirk and accusations about Carlson, Tatum documents Fuentes' praise for historical dictators. In one clip, Fuentes discusses Hitler, saying, "He was also really cool, so you know, time to grow up. We're not children anymore. Am I right?" Fuentes continues, "Anybody who watches these videos where he's rolling down the street and stuff, it's like, this guy's awesome. This guy's cool."
Tatum notes this isn't the only time Fuentes has expressed admiration for Hitler, and that Fuentes was with Kanye West when they visited Donald Trump, with multiple participants expressing positive views of Hitler.
The Stalin admission proves equally troubling. When Fuentes mentions December 18th and notes it's Stalin's birthday, Carlson asks if he's "a fan of Stalin's." Fuentes responds, "Always an admirer," though he suggests they don't "need to go into that." Carlson agrees to "circle back to that" but never does.
Tatum expresses disbelief that a Christian like Carlson would not immediately challenge someone who claims to admire Stalin, a dictator responsible for the deaths of millions through purges, forced collectivization, and the gulag system. Tatum contrasts this with Carlson's aggressive questioning of Ted Cruz over his support for Israel.
The Question of Good Faith
Tatum emphasizes that Fuentes has been banned from Turning Point USA events since at least 2017 specifically because of his bad faith engagement and extremist rhetoric. He questions why Tucker Carlson, who claims to be Charlie Kirk's friend, would platform someone so openly hostile to Kirk without challenging any of his accusations or extreme statements.
Tatum argues that a genuine interview would involve confrontation on substantive issues. If Tatum himself had spent years criticizing someone publicly, he wouldn't sit down with them for a friendly chat without addressing those criticisms directly. He would demand answers and explanations. The fact that Carlson didn't do this with Fuentes suggests to Tatum either dishonesty in one of their previous positions or a failure of journalistic integrity.
The Impact on Young People
Throughout his commentary, Tatum expresses concern about the influence these interviews have on young, impressionable men. He criticizes the simplistic talking points being promoted, such as "we're just giving a ton of money to Ukraine and Israel" without any explanation of the policy rationale behind these decisions.
Tatum doesn't argue that people must agree with supporting Ukraine or Israel financially, but he insists that honest discussion requires first explaining why these policies exist before critiquing them. Instead, he sees Carlson allowing guests to make sweeping statements without context, leading young people to adopt positions based on emotion rather than understanding.
When one young person at an event with Carlson expressed concern that "the deep state's controlling everything and we have no control," Carlson's response was simply to agree with "a lot of that" rather than providing a more nuanced perspective. Tatum sees this as intellectually lazy and potentially harmful to a generation seeking guidance.
Distinguishing Government from Biblical Promises
Tatum makes an important distinction that often gets lost in these debates. He clarifies that defending Israel's right to exist as a nation based on biblical promises does not mean defending every action of the Israeli government. He notes that the Israeli government, like the American government, supports policies he opposes, including abortion rights and transgender ideology.
However, Tatum argues that "God is bigger than the government" and "the promises of God supersede government entities." His concern is for the existence of Israel as a sovereign nation, not for the specific policy positions of whatever coalition happens to be in power. This distinction allows him to be pro-Israel in the biblical sense while maintaining the freedom to critique Israeli government decisions.
A Call for Consistency and Courage
Tatum concludes by challenging the inconsistency he sees in Tucker Carlson's approach. Carlson aggressively confronts some people over relatively minor issues while treating others who make extreme statements with kid gloves. He threatened physical violence against a college student for a passing reference to his father's career but had a friendly conversation with someone who spent years calling him a CIA operative.
Most significantly for Tatum, Carlson failed to defend his supposed friend Charlie Kirk when given the opportunity to confront Kirk's most vitriolic critic face-to-face. This represents not just a journalistic failure but a personal betrayal of friendship.
Tatum's frustration is palpable as he asks why the movement would platform someone so clearly "antithetical to the mission of Turning Point USA." He recalls being criticized for saying exactly this in the past, accused of "dividing the movement." But Tatum stands by his assessment: at some point, leaders must have the courage to say that certain voices are incompatible with their values and mission, especially when those voices are influencing young, impressionable minds with praise for mass murderers and hateful rhetoric.
Video Transcript
Tucker Carson should be ashamed of interviewing Nick Fuentes. Not because you shouldn't interview a person, but the fact that you interview this guy. He say he loves Stalin. HE'S BEEN TRASHING CHARLIE Kirk from the beginning of time. He trashed Charlie's wife AND YOU DON'T PUSH BACK. [music] So was like mid December, mid late December. It's actually funny. It was December 18th. I remember cuz that's an important date to me. And it's Joseph Stalin's birthday. >> Oh, >> I'm a fan. You're a fan of Stalins. >> Mhm. Always an admirer, but we don't need to go into that. I guess [laughter] like >> let's uh Okay, let's get back to >> We'll circle back to that. >> It was Turning Point USA. Are y'all watching this? Did you watch the interview? He just said that he's a fan. He wasn't joking. He remembers Stalin's birthday and said he's a fan of Stalin and Tucker didn't push back on him. I'm just wondering, are y'all watching this? Like and subscribe to the channel. Hit the bell so you get notifications anytime I go live. I make a video. Make sure you're still subscribed to this channel. Let's get into this. And this is the clip that made me the most upset out of any clip that that's out there because this was a direct spit in the face of Charlie Kirk's legacy if you ask me. Wrote a clip. >> How do you explain Mike Huckabe, Ted Cruz, and they're a lot like that. John Bolton. I mean, I've known them. W. Bush, like the Carl Rove, I mean, all people I know personally who I've seen like >> be seized by this brain virus and they're not Jewish. >> They're most of them are self-described Christians. And and then the the Christian Zionists who are well, Christian Zionists, like what is that? And I can just say for my self, I dislike them more than anybody, you know, because like what? because it's Christian heresy and I'm offended by that as a Christian. >> That's why. So I don't like why not like I'm pissed at the neocons. Very pissed. I've said that a million times. I've been mad since >> December of 2003 when I went to Iraq. And so like I went and hassled or hassled asked straightforward questions to Ted Cruz cuz that seemed like there's a sitting senator who's like serving for Israel by his own description. He seemed like a worthy target. I'm not going after MTG >> who's like the most sincere per like why not go after Ted Cruz? I don't >> think about what he said. He said he hate the Zionist, right? Or that they're despicable is Christian heresy. Let's go to Charlie Kirk and what Charlie Kirk said about being a Zionist. Let's go to 504. Now, now let me just explain this because somebody in here smoking crack and with with their thumb up their rear end is going to sit here and say, "Brennon, uh uh he changed." No, he didn't. His criticism of Israel changed, meaning the government, but he never stopped being a Zionist. A Zion Let me explain Zionism to to you guys. Some of you guys know, other you guys are just uninformed, and others are stupid. So, let me just make it all clear. A Zionist just simply means that you believe that Israel or the Jewish people have a right to have an independent state. That's all Zionism is. that you believe according to the scripture that the Jews and Israel was promised to the Jews and they they and they deserve to protect their own land that was promised to them. That's Zionism. But before I get to Charlie's clip, let me read you some scriptures of why Jesus was a Zionist. All of his apostles were Zionist. Paul was a Zionist. Let me read the scripture. Let's go to Romans 11:1. I ask then, has God rejected his people? By no means, meaning Israel. Let's go to Romans 11:25. Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of the mysteries, brother, a partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles have come in. And this way, all Israel will be saved as it is written. Romans 11:28-29. As regards to the gospel, they are enemies for your sake, but as regard to election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and callings of God are irrevocable. This is what Paul said about the Jews based on a prophetic. Now, let's get to what God said. Amos 9:15. I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I that I have given them, sayeth the Lord your God. Genesis 17 7 and 8. And I will establish my covenant between me and you. He's talking to Abraham. And your offsprings after you throughout their generations for a everlasting covenant to be the God to you and to your offsprings after you. And so, not only will I have an everlasting covenant with your people and generations, and I will give you and to your offsprings after you, the land of your sjouring, all the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God. I can read you 15 other scriptures. What does it mean when God tells Abraham, "For your lineage, generations, an everlasting covenant with you and a possession, an everlasting possession. For the gifts and callings of God are irrevocable." That's another scripture. Irrevocable. Do you What are we saying here? Let's play Charlie Kirk's 505. What did Charlie Kirk say about this? Wrote a clip. >> Have you ever been to Israel? >> No, I'm just I'm just >> let me just contribute this as a fellow brother in Christ. When we as Christians go to Israel, we are celebrated and treated like the most amazing you could ever imagine. Okay. So, I I I'm positive that there are radical, you know, um hidic sects that believe certain things as, you know, are written in parts of the Talmude where they have, you know, anti-Christian beliefs. That is not my experience with mainline, you know, Israeli belief or mainline Judaism. Um, and I will say this, why do I like Israel so much? I'm biased because Israel changed my life. >> If you're sick of being soft, if you're sick of your tea levels being low, if you're tired of being a Democrat, why don't you get you some Tforce [laughter] and become a man today. All right. We had the original Tforce, which is the regular Tforce, and then we made it advanced. I suggest you take this with food and you take it before a workout to maximize. Get you some T4s today. 25% off because I hate these white bottles and I want to get them out of here to be honest. We give you we'll give you a discount code for 25% off. Get you some T4s today. God bless you. God bless America and let's get strong, baby. >> Last year, Turning Point USA hosted the Young Jewish Leadership Summit during which you said, "So a Christian that's not pro Israel, I doubt they actually love their Bible." And I will stand by that statement. If you are a Christian that doesn't love Israel, then you take your Bible way, way, way too much for granted. So, who are you to question the faith of Christian Americans that don't support a foreign country of a different religion? Let me ask you, where was Jesus born? >> Why does that matter? >> Well, do you know? >> Why does it matter? >> Okay. Yeah, you're obviously not a Christian. We don't know where Jesus is born. He's born in Bethlehem. Okay. And he was raised in Nazareth and he walked on the water in Capernaum. What country are those places in right now? >> What does it matter? >> It does matter. You know why? Because when I went to Israel, I came in contact with the living God that walked on water and rose Lazarus from the dead. When I went to Israel, I saw the Bible come to life. When I went to Israel, I saw Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Sarah, Becca, and Leia in the hall of the patriarchs. When I went to Israel, what I read is Bible stories popped open, and I said, "This is the word of God. This is real." These are not fairy tales or fables or things that we tell our kids. When I went to Israel, I was able to cry where Jesus cried, where he was betrayed by Judas and arrested, where he rose from the dead and gives us eternal life. I am not an apologist for Israel, but I reject wholeheartedly this narrative. Christians who turn their back on Israel, it says in Genesis and Romans and First Thessalonians, Paul said, "You will bless the Jews. If you bless Israel, you will be blessed. If you scorn Israel, you will be scorned. I will defend the holy land, the place that let me see where my Lord and Savior lived. and I will not apologize to that. Thank you very much. >> Let's go to 504 here. Here here's here's him talking about Nick Fuentes. >> Nick Fuences, I'm sure you've heard of him and these people, they they've been active for a long time and it seems like they've just been ignored, which is working, but now they're kind of surging in popularity. And as someone who I enjoy watching your debates, is are they people you'd be willing to engage with and maybe shut them down in a way through a debate or something like that? Well, I mean, I have to debate Candace. Um, but no, look, I'll debate anybody that shows up at our campus events first and foremost, but I do want to take what you say and extrapolate that there is a corner of the internet of people that want to point and blame the Jews for all their problems. Everybody, this is demonic and it's on the pit of hell and it should not be true. [applause] When it goes to the obstruction of the problem of an entire generation that has economic resentment, they don't own anything. They're not getting married. They're not having children. They're depressed. They're anxious. They're staring at their screens all day long. And if all of a sudden your extrapolation of all that is, well, it's the Jew's fault. That is sloppy and shallow thinking. You're trying to blame an entire ethnicity for a singular problem. Hold on, let's take a step back here. Instead of that, what are what could you possibly do in your own personal life to improve your own state of being? If you are blaming 8 plus 002% of the world's population for all of your problems, that is not going to be good for your soul. It's not good for your psychology. It's not good for your future in any way, shape, or form. And so I would just say this that any dumb person that goes into this hyper online brain rot, you are serving yourself over to your own demise. You are serving yourself into a a a suicide mission that will not make you happier and not make you healthier. Instead, here's what your attitude should be. Your attitude should be like, I can't own stuff. I got it. Can't own a home. That not getting married. I don't know who to date. Said, "Wow, the challenges are are immense. I'm going to now overcome all those challenges and go on an adventure. I'm going to prove everyone wrong. I'm now not going to be a victim. I'm going to be a victor. I'm going to dig deep. This is still a great country. This is a free country. I'm going to use my agency. I'm going to use my ability. And I'm not just going to go point in the corner and be like, I'm overweight because of the Jews. Women don't want to date me because of the Jews. >> How about this? As Jordan Peterson would say, sit up straight with your shoulders back. Follow the rules for life. Make yourself interesting. Learn something new every single day. And instead of pointing at a small group of people and engaging in this brain rot, become a better person. You'll be a happier and healthier, more joyful, and productive person. But the government, [applause] >> no one is sitting here trying to justify the government. That's a different story. I don't agree with everything the Israeli government does. Nobody does. Nobody. You ain't never heard me say they perfect. The Israeli government is sent from God. Nobody says that. But what they do is they try to conflate that with anti-semitism to try to say that you're saying something you're not saying. I don't believe in transgenderism and all abortions and all this other stuff. Yeah. The the Israeli government believes in that just like our stupid government does. The government God is bigger than the government. The promises of God supersede government entities. What are you saying? The existence of Israel is the point that I care about. The existence of them being sovereign, having their own nation that was promised to them by the scriptures I just read. That's where I hold the ground to. But these idiots like Tucker, they just hate Jews. And he bring on that little weenie that come on there and just bash Jews, bash Charlie on a day-to-day basis. Let me go back to some of the things that Nick Fentes has said because I think it's invaluable to to understand that >> whether he chooses to confront me or not, whether he has dignity and honor or not, it's just a matter of time. >> My ideas are already there. I've already impregnated your organization. I took Turning Point USA and I it. >> I took your organization. I took your baby, Turning Point USA, and I it. And I've been it. And that's why it's filled with gropers. That's why your whole crew, that's why the people around you, that's why your chapter presidents, that's why your attendees, they're all gropers. So whether you choose to confront me or not over the honor of your Turning Point USA, it's immaterial to me. I'd like it. I' I just get a sick satisfaction out of it. because I like to win. But we're already there. And this whole ideology, Zionism plus free market, it's dead either way. You know it, I know it. Pretty much the whole world knows it's over. In the last seven years, who's moved closer to who? Could anybody accuse me of stealing Charlie Kirk's ideas? No. Has Charlie Kirk every step of the way moved in degree closer to me? Tried to ape my bit, my ideas, my style. Oh, no question. No question. We already own you. We own you. We own Turning Point USA. We own this movement. Whether you decide to have dignity about it and face me or not, that's up to you. That's something you'll have to tell your children. When Nick Fuentes became the future, when the Gropers took over the movement, did you take a val a valerant last stand? Were you courageous? Were you bold? Did you go down swinging? Or did you go down like a Did you run and hide? That's the only thing when you're explaining that to your family, Mr. family man. When you're explaining to your wife, when she's saying, "Why won't you just debate Nick Fuentes?" And you got to explain to her. when your kids grow up, why didn't you just confront Nick Fuentes? You got to explain to them why you were afraid, why you were a coward. That's the only difference. I think a lot of people are starting to find out, uh, Charlie Kirk is not the patriot that he says he is. And so I look at what happened last night and I think to myself, this is totally a doable operation. You know, Charlie Kirk in the grand scheme of things is just some idiot. The dog is terrified. I had to go upstairs and reassure him because I'm screaming at my stream at my screen calling Charlie Kirk a and everything. The contrast could not be more clear. Charlie Kirk is a totally unexceptional human being. A moral struggle that's happening on the higher dimension, right? Which is Christ versus the devil. Who does Charlie Kirk serve? You know, is is he really a Christian? Is he really Christlike when he supports foreign wars and Israel and all this? Look at the people he's taking money from, you know? So, the guy's a fake Christian. The guy's not a patriot. He hates our country. He's unamerican. Let's let's focus all our firepower on Charlie Kirk. Why are we doing this? Is because Charlie Kirk is a fake patriot, a fake Christian, and he hates his people. He's anti-white. This is our angle. We talk about Charlie Kirk's dual allegiance to Israel. UH THE ALMIGHTY OZ, YOU KNOW, the massive head with the tiny face behind the curtain, Charlie Kirk lording over the conservative movement. Remember, the goal is to expose the globalism, the fake conservatism of Charlie Kirk. People see that Charlie Kirk is not a real conservative. He is not a real nationalist. He is not a real Christian. And that is simply the truth. We humiliated Charlie Kirk last night. We took we took Gotham's white knight. We brought him down to our level. We didn't exactly flip him, but uh we definitely humiliated him. We took one of their best and we made him a laughingstock. Charlie Kirk is not an honest broker, not a conservative. He exists and Turning Point USA exists to control the conversation. Charlie Kirk was totally unhinged and I think the guy has Asberers, so he might have trouble with that. It has to play into this narrative, has to play into the framing that Charlie Kirk and Turning Point are not right-wing. They're not conservative. You know, Charlie Kirk gets asked a tough question and he reverts back to Israel. Israel, God bless Israel. Israel's the best. You know, he he malfunctions. He can't do it because I think he has asberers. I I believe that we acknowledge that Charlie Kirk is not conservative. He's destroying the country and we can all agree that that has to we have to put a stop to that, right? Charlie Kirk is a and a coward. So, we've got him checked on both fronts. It is worth mentioning that Dan Krenshaw, Charlie Kirk, I imagine these people, their IQs are like what 90 95 something like that. I mean, these are not exceptional people. These are not intellectual heavy rate heavyweights, right? Obviously, there's a big opportunity to humiliate Charlie Kirk in front of the president's son and demonstrate to the establishment that he is not in control. So, that one is going to be a big one. You know, this is stuff that we've been saying for years that Charlie Kirk is a leftist, that Charlie Kirk is not a conservative. There is a real risk that at an organizational level, we will cause problems for Charlie Kirk. >> This dude go on a rant like this. He' [clears throat] been banned from every Turning Point event. He been doing this since like 2017 or before that. That's when I started with Turning Point. And it's funny all this vitriolic stuff he's saying about Charlie and nobody questioning whether or not he has something to do with anything. You questioning kids that dedicate their life to Charlie, but nobody asking is this guy, what does he what does he know? He's the most vitriolic, hateful person against Charlie Kirk that's out there. And Tucker goes to interview the guy. And don't and I I don't tell me if I'm wrong. I don't think they even addressed any of this crazy stuff he said about Charlie when Tucker and Charlie supposed to be really good friends. And you you can interview the guy, but you going to call him out on some of this stuff. Let's play some of the butt kissing that they were doing when it comes to the little CIA thing. Uh let's roll clip 509 and we'll go straight down. So, I kind of just don't see a lot of change between, you know, the Biden administration and now the Trump one in foreign policy. You know, we're still giving a ton of money to like Israel and Ukraine. Nothing is happening. You know, the war's not stopped. He promised it'd be done in a day and it's I don't know how many months, eight months or something like that. It's a long time. your dad was in the CIA and I was wondering does our government even want war to stop? Do they want conflicts to end? It seems like we have a uh difference of interest where we're getting told one thing and the other is happening and I feel like there's not enough communication between different sects of government. And I >> here's these real here's these silly kids that Tucker and others are creating in the movement. the same weird talking points. We're just giving a ton of money to Ukraine and Israel. Well, the thing is that you can disagree with us giving the money, but Tucker, if he had any wisdom, should explain why we're doing it and why he disagreed that we're doing it. There's a reason why we're giving Ukraine money. I don't agree with the reason, but there's a reason. There's a reason why we give Israel money. I agree with the reason we give Israel money, but at the end of the day, explain what we're actually doing. Then you can pose a disagreement to what we're doing. It's okay to believe that we shouldn't give money to Israel. But the question is why? Are you going to explain what we actually do, why we do what we do, the explanation behind it, and then you can have a a fruitful discussion of, well, I think with that explanation, we shouldn't do it. But these people don't operate like that. Tucker allows these people to go out and just say whatever. He don't address it at a high level. He does what what he's going to do in a minute. Roll it. >> I just I really think the deep state's controlling everything and we have no control. Well, let me let me just let me let me start at uh you know, obviously you probably sense that I agree with a lot of that. Uh obviously leave my father out of it. I'm going to have to kick your ass, which I could do, by the way, if uh if you bring him up again because he was a wonderful man, whatever, you know, he did for a living. Um so I I really do hate that. Now, he had an event with a kid who's on his side that mentioned his dad was in the CIA and he said he was going to kick his butt. Is that what I heard? He said, "You do it again, I'm going to have to kick your butt." And like, seriously, I hate that. Okay, let's hear what Nick Fe said about his dad in the CIA. 510. Roll it. >> Why is Tucker so afraid to call out Israeli influence? Even Jen Weager from the TYT is better on the Israel issue than he is an even most conservative commentator. Surprisingly, >> he's an operative. He's a CIA agent. Look into his father. Tucker Carlson's father, Dick Carlson, was an appointee by Ronald Reagan who ran Voice of America. Voice of America was created in the aftermath of World War II out of something from the OSS and it basically was broadcasting US propaganda throughout the Cold War. Tucker Carlson's father, Dick Carlson, was it longest serving director in history. It's a CIA propaganda outlet, broadcasting outlet. Then Dick Carlson worked for the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and worked with the Hungarian government, which I mean, if you look at both of those things are both deeply in bed with Israel. Tucker was in Nicaragua during Iran Contras when the US was using Israel to sell weapons. um or they were raising money through Iran to traffic weapons to the Contras in Nicaragua through Israel and Tucker was there. Then he applied for the CIA straight out of college. His dad told him to get a job in the press. And if you look at the people that ran uh the various outfits that he worked for in the early stages of his career, it's all Jews. The uh Arkansas paper, Policy Journal, Heritage Foundation. look into the leadership of all the different rags that he worked for when he was just starting. I mean, the guy's an operative. I don't even think he denies it at this point. He's an operative. So, he's obviously part of it. >> You see what he said about his dad? He said he's an operative. He's talking all that trash about Charlie Kirk. And then they get on the show. This is This is the demeanor. 507. This is between them. >> Ed, I was I thought you were a fad. >> I [laughter] was a fad. >> Yeah. I'm not a fed. Um, but whatever. I don't care what people. >> Yeah, we showed each other a badge as we know. We're >> No, but I thought you were a Fed because I was like, why not? It's not cucking to say you're not talking about all Jews when you oppose a foreign policy position. It's not. It's there's nothing liberal about that. It's just true. That's the Christian position. Okay. >> And two, why are you attacking like the best people and not the worst people? >> Well, yeah. I mean, again, he he disavowed me for my views on Israel and said, "I talk too much about white people and Christianity." And to me, that's like a sincere ideological disagreement. And, >> you know, same thing with Marjorie. Marjorie fired my guy. She disavowed me. and um you know and and you worked with Blumenthal on that article, but you called me on the phone and I we like what >> from my persp who is for first of all, who is this kid? I'm working at Fox News. I'm I'm aware there's an internet, but I'm more out of it than you may appreciate. And I'm like out of nowhere attacking this one. I had Joe Kent to my house. and did this interview with him and I'm always in search of a sincere politician. Not don't have to agree on everything but I really believe sincerity is the whole game. Someone's heart is pure brave turned out to be true. Mark is a perfect example >> for a second. >> When he was with Ted Cruz, he ripped him apart. Every minute of that he could speak. He was ripping him. This man just said all this stuff about Tucker's dad. He called Tucker a fed and all this stuff. Then he gets on the show with the kid at the event and say he going to kick the kid's butt if he bring his dad up again. Why didn't you keep that same energy with Nick Fuentes when he came on your show? And he said way, the only reason the kid brought up the fact that Tucker dad was CIA was because of Nick Fuentes. And now the guy's right in front of you. You don't say anything. Now, now y'all saw all of that together. Now, let's see what what what Tucker said about Nick Fentes being a fed. Did Why did you What has changed? What has changed now? He come on your show and now y'all smelling butts like dogs. Go go go go go to what Tucker said about Nick being a fed >> and he's attacking my dad as a CIA. His dad's in the CIA or whatever and I'm like well that's no untrue. Then my father dies and I learn actually yeah you know did was involved in that world which >> I was shock completely shocked by it. So no one has to believe me but that's just a fact >> right? >> This was in March of this year. And I'm like, well, why would how [sighs] the hell would this child from Chicago, my dad was 84 when he passed? Like, how who's this guy know my dad is and like he's in an intelligence world. How would he know that? And I >> Wait, so that was his critique of you cuz I didn't see it. >> Someone just sent me this video and it was like, you can't believe anything Carlson says because his father was in the CIA and he's >> a CIA working on behalf of CIA. Well, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious and I'm pretty I mean, I actually feel emotional in my anger towards CIA. Um, and I think of that that comes out on the air quite regularly, right? >> And so the idea that I'm working for the CIA uh is like deranged. >> Well, if it helps, he said, "I was I'm funded by Russia." Now, since the interview, he then did a thing and said, "I was funded by Russian." >> Okay. >> A lot more likely to take Russian money than I would be to work for the CIA because you would never take Russian money and you're not Russian. But >> but I mean, I really hate the CIA. And I mean, I would I mean, that's like very offensive to me. So, why would you? >> It's like personal for you. Well, a little bit. And anyway, like who is this kid exactly? >> And maybe it's just an accident that the guy goes after exclusively goes after people who are in the same roughly the same. And then he gets up there and he's like, you know, making a holocaust. >> He says all this stuff, but he got the guy at face to face. And why does he not challenge him on none of this stuff? They just have a powout. Oh, you like me? Are you mad at me? I'm mad at you. I swear to God is my witness, bro. If I'm on here talking about somebody like Tucker, me and Tucker not gonna sit down and have some kumbaya. I'm gonna confront him on all the stuff I've been saying. Unless I'm fake. Am I right? If we going to get into it, we going to get into it. I don't like you because of this. Now, you may I may change my mind after we talk, but bro, I'm f to confront you on all the stuff I've been saying about you. I'm not going to get on here and wuss out and be like, "We're friends, right?" I thought you were mean. You thought I was mean. Unless you faking it when you said it. There's not one person that I don't that I say stuff about it I won't blast. Let's get Let's get Nick Fuentes talking about Hitler real quick because this is just an addition of the stuff that Nick says. 508. Clip 508 real quick. [snorts] >> Hitler was a pedophile and kind of a pagan. It's like, well, he was also really cool, so you know, time to grow up. We're not We're not children anymore. Am I right? AM I RIGHT? AM I RIGHT, BOYS? Am I right? Let's go. He was also really cool. And and any boy knows that. Anybody who watches these videos where he's rolling down the street and stuff, it's like, "This guy's this guy's awesome. This guy's cool." Now, this ain't the only time he's gushed over Hitler. I mean, he he talks about Hitler all the time. He was with Kanye when they went to see Trump and they they all love Hitler. And and the thing is is that I don't think Charlie would have accepted this. I I would think that if Charlie ever sat down with Nick Fuentes, which he knew Nick Fees wasn't acting a good faith as you can see with all these crazy radical clips he said that Charlie would have accepted this. But yet Tucker, who's supposed to be Charlie's friend, won't confront him about none none of this. We we got a clip of him gushing over Stalin on the podcast. This is on the [laughter] >> I'm GONNA WALK OFF THE SHOW. I'm gonna walk off my own show. He's talking about Stalin on Tucker's podcast. >> Wrote a clip. >> So, it's like mid December, mid late December. It's actually funny. It was December 18th. I remember it because that's an important date to me. >> And it's Joseph Stalin's birthday. >> Oh, >> I'm a fan. >> You're a fan of Stalins? >> Always an admirer. But yeah, we don't need to go into that, I guess. But [laughter] like, >> well, let's uh Okay, let's get back. We'll circle back to that. >> It was weird because the reason I mentioned that, it was almost like cuz I woke up that day and I was like, "Oh, it's December 18th." >> And I I was just like very acutely aware of like today's like a strange day. This is the day >> Turning Point USA. Are y'all watching this? Did you watch the interview? He just said that he's a fan. He wasn't joking. He remembered Stalin's birthday and said he's a fan of Stalin AND TUCKER DIDN'T PUSH BACK on him. I'm just wondering y'all watching this. I'm just wondering. You got a man saying he's a fan of Stalin. Fine. Tucker, you're a Christian. What Stalin did as a person of murdering and genociding millions of people, it should be a problem. I know you hate the Jews, but at least he killing people for no reason is a problem. AND YOU DON'T PUSH BACK ON HIM. YOU CUSS THE KID OUT on campus and said you want to kick his butt for talking about the CIA. The other kid, you said get the f off the stage, off the internet because he said you was worth 50 million. He says he's a fan of Stalin. We We'll get to it. I guess we'll come back to it. If somebody was on my podcast and said there's a fan of Stalin. No, no, no. We not going to like What? What are you talking about, bro? You What you mean a Like explain to me how you a fan of Joseph Stalin? What? Like, like like bro like should I be interview? Like this is the stupidest thing I ever heard in my life. You know, there was a part that one day I said, you know, people were telling me, you should interview Nick Fuentes. As silly as he is, it makes me feel like he'll be a chameleon. He'll come on the show and act like he don't really disagree with me or that he got some he be a be a wussy in the show cuz I wouldn't bring him on and be like, "Hey, welcome to the show, Nick Fuentes." I'd be like, "I I don't like you. I think you're a scumbag." I would put my hands on you, but I'm trying to be a good Christian. I despise you. But I'll let you say, you know, maybe I'm wrong. What do you got to say? I I have my thing. You said you support Joseph Stalin. LIKE, LIKE TED Cruz just said he's a Zionist and Tucker mauled him. This fool said he support Joseph Stalin and he I just guess we'll come back around to it. No, it' be like you said Charlie Kirk was a fake Christian. Explain yourself. You said you've been effing Turning Point for the last several Explain yourself. You said on Candace Owens show that you are racist. Explain yourself. You said on Candace Owens show you don't want a race mix. YOU A RACIST. EXPLAIN HOW YOU NOT A RACIST RIGHT NOW. That's what that's what interview I WOULD HAVE. WHY ARE WE THEY'RE GUSHING OVER EACH other smelling butts. TURNING POINT. DO you see the person that's on stage? I DON'T [screaming] KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I GOT TO SAY THIS. AND PEOPLE GOT MAD AT ME AND SAID, "Brandon Tatum, you you you uh dividing the movement." I simply said he's antithetical to the mission of Turning Point USA. The stuff that he's doing is antithetical to what Charlie stood for. At some point, somebody got to drop their nuts and say, "I can't have you out HERE DOING THIS. WE GOT YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE YOUNG men and this is what you infusing in their mind. You next they going you going to have Nick Fes up there. [music]
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