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Megyn Kelly and Anna Kasparian Expose Pressure Campaign Against Charlie Kirk Before His Death
Megyn Kelly and Ana Kasparian discuss the intense pressure campaign directed at Charlie Kirk in his final months, revealing how questioning Israel's role in the Epstein scandal led to accusations of anti-Semitism against both Kelly and Kirk. Kelly recounts their conversation at a Turning Point USA event where Kirk encouraged her to challenge the DOJ's refusal to release Epstein files, and how that discussion sparked vicious attacks from pro-Israel donors and organizations. The conversation explores why independent podcasters, rather than prominent Democrats or Republicans, have become the loudest voices questioning U.S. foreign policy, and examines the coordinated efforts to silence those who ask questions about intelligence connections to Jeffrey Epstein.
Independent Voices Challenge the Political Establishment
Megyn Kelly and Ana Kasparian examine why independent podcasters have emerged as the primary voices challenging current U.S. foreign policy decisions, while traditional politicians from both parties remain largely silent. Kasparian notes that historically, the left has been more critical of the U.S.-Israeli alliance, but conservative voices questioning this relationship represent a significant shift that threatens long-standing political support.
The conversation reveals how questioning Israel's actions, particularly in Gaza, has awakened conservative audiences to foreign policy issues they previously avoided. According to Kasparian, when Israel begins losing support among American conservatives, the overall U.S. support for Israel faces genuine jeopardy. This explains why campaigns against conservative figures who ask questions have become increasingly aggressive.
The Vicious Campaign Against Those Who Question
Kasparian describes the brutal tactics used against those who dare to question Israeli policy or intelligence connections. She shares personal experiences of family members—people with no political involvement whatsoever—being contacted at their workplaces and questioned about her political views. These family members don't follow international news or engage in political discussions, yet they found themselves targeted simply because of their relationship to her.
However, Kasparian observed that the campaigns against Charlie Kirk and Megyn Kelly were even more ferocious than those directed at her. This increased intensity reflected Kirk's historical support for Israel and Kelly's prominent platform, making their questions particularly threatening to established narratives.
The Real Story Behind the Candace Owens Controversy
Kelly clarifies the actual origins of the controversy surrounding her refusal to denounce Candace Owens. Contrary to popular belief, the initial pressure didn't center on Owens' comments about Erika Kirk. Instead, the campaign began because Kelly wouldn't condemn Owens for asking questions about Israel in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death.
Kelly explains her position clearly: "How about you're responsible for what you say and Candace is responsible for what she says. Period. End of story." She notes that while she disagrees with Owens about Erika Kirk—a fact she has stated repeatedly and that Owens acknowledges—she refuses to denounce Owens for investigating potential Israeli connections to Kirk's death.
The friendship between Kelly and Charlie Kirk deepened over their shared experience of immense pressure to remain unquestioningly pro-Israel. In a conversation one month before his death, both expressed frustration and offense at being labeled anti-Semites for having the mildest conversations about Jeffrey Epstein. Kirk had grown exasperated with the accusations and was attempting to give voice to young Republicans who were already questioning U.S.-Israel policy.
Charlie Kirk's Final Months Under Pressure
Text messages that emerged after Kirk's death revealed his frustration with Jewish donors who were threatening him. Kelly emphasizes that Kirk was being tortured—her word—by these pressure campaigns during his final two months alive. Critics wanted Kelly to condemn Candace Owens for merely mentioning Israel in connection with Kirk's death, but Kelly refused because she supported asking those questions completely.
Kelly maintains her belief that Tyler Robinson was responsible for Kirk's death while simultaneously supporting investigation into whether others were involved. She sees nothing unreasonable about Owens asking these questions. When critics couldn't successfully attack Kelly on this front, they waited until they found something they considered more persuasive—Owens' comments about Erika Kirk—and attempted to force Kelly to condemn Owens on that basis or be labeled a bad person.
Kelly's response remains unchanged: "I will never bend the knee to these bullies who tortured Charlie. At a minimum, they tortured Charlie in his last two months on Earth. That's a fact."
Candace Owens Reveals the Truth
Kasparian gives credit to Candace Owens for revealing the truth about what Charlie Kirk experienced in his final months. This revelation proved important for the public to understand, even as critics initially called Owens a liar. The text messages ultimately vindicated her claims, showing that Kirk was indeed under enormous pressure from donors and organizations demanding his unwavering support for Israeli policy.
The Epstein Files and Media Cover-Up
The conversation shifts to the Jeffrey Epstein files and the notable media personalities who appeared to participate in covering up their significance. Kasparian observes that specific American media figures repeatedly claimed the public didn't care about the Epstein files, insisting Americans were focused on other matters. This narrative proved false—Americans did and do care about the Epstein files.
Kasparian suggests paying attention to which media figures downplayed the importance of these documents, questioned their relevance, and appeared to participate in efforts to minimize their impact. She asks the crucial question: What are these media personalities afraid of regarding the release of the Epstein files?
Fake Transparency and Legal Loopholes
Kelly expresses frustration with what she calls "fake transparency" regarding the Epstein file releases. Congress passed a bill into law demanding disclosure, but it included massive exceptions allowing the Department of Justice to remove any documents they deemed problematic or potentially damaging to specific individuals. As a lawyer, Kelly sees the glaring loopholes in the legislation.
This situation may actually be worse than if nothing had been released, Kelly argues, because now the government can claim full disclosure while hiding crucial information. The DOJ has announced it's finished releasing documents, but Kelly suspects a trove of materials exists somewhere that may never see public release. She questions whether the full truth will ever be known.
What Was Actually Released Matters
Despite Kelly's concerns about what remains hidden, Kasparian argues that what was released still holds significant value. She credits the Trump administration for not doing a better job of covering up what they did release, which allowed investigators to draw direct links between Epstein and the Israeli government.
The released documents revealed Epstein's involvement in foreign policy, including striking deals between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and facilitating agreements regarding cyber weapons between Israel and other countries. While these aspects of the story lack the scandalous appeal of powerful figures engaged in criminal sexual behavior, Kasparian considers it essential to understand how Epstein functioned as a tool for intelligence organizations, particularly Mossad.
The Turning Point USA Conversation That Started It All
Kelly recounts in detail the conversation with Charlie Kirk at a Turning Point USA event in July that ignited the controversy. Backstage, Kirk wanted to focus the discussion on Pam Bondi, who had just caused an uproar with a DOJ memo stating the government wouldn't release additional Epstein materials. Kirk told Kelly to "go for it" on Bondi—echoing his famous instruction to Tucker Carlson to "go Max," a moment Kelly has on tape and released publicly.
Kirk explained he couldn't directly attack Bondi himself because of his proximity to the Trump administration, but he was happy for Kelly to repeat what she had been saying on her show all week. Kelly agreed, and Kirk led a Q&A session that devoted substantial time to Epstein and Bondi's multiple Fox News appearances dismissing the importance of the files.
During the discussion, Kirk asked the Turning Point USA audience if they cared about Epstein. The crowd responded with an emphatic yes. Kirk then asked Kelly if she thought Epstein worked for intelligence agencies. She responded that it seemed likely. When asked whose intelligence, Kelly said she wasn't an expert but it probably was Israeli.
Anti-Semitism Accusations Over Intelligence Questions
That moment at Turning Point USA became the basis for accusations that both Kelly and Kirk were anti-Semites. Kelly finds this particularly absurd given her years of ardent pro-Israel advocacy, defending Israeli policy and speaking out forcefully whenever American Jewish individuals faced harassment on college campuses or elsewhere. She admits she didn't closely follow the day-to-day developments of the Gaza war, but she consistently defended Israel on issues that mattered.
Charlie Kirk had an identical record of pro-Israel advocacy. Yet official American Jewish organizations publicly condemned both of them as anti-Semites based on their Epstein conversation. Both Kelly and Kirk were stunned by the accusation.
The Outsized Reaction Makes Sense Now
Kelly now understands that the reaction was outsized compared to the alleged offense because powerful interests couldn't allow them to pursue this line of questioning. The action wasn't proportional to the sin because the goal was to prevent any serious investigation into intelligence connections to Epstein. Kasparian agrees, noting that the pattern of who gets attacked, how viciously, and why reveals the actual stakes involved in these questions.
Video Transcript
[00:00] Why are the loudest people against this
[00:02] war some podcasters in the independent
[00:05] lane, Anna, as opposed to where are like
[00:08] the Democrats? They're they haven't said
[00:10] anything. I can't think of one prominent
[00:11] Democrat has been like leading the fight
[00:13] against this, never mind Republicans,
[00:16] you know, it's podcasters. It's kind of
[00:18] crazy. Well, it's interesting because,
[00:20] you know, historically the left has
[00:24] always been a little suspicious of the
[00:26] US-Issraeli alliance, has been far more
[00:29] critical of how Israel has prosecuted,
[00:32] you know, wars and especially what they
[00:35] carried out in Gaza. I mean, but but
[00:37] here's what kind of changed as a result
[00:40] of how Israel prosecuted the war in
[00:44] Gaza, which I believe is a genocide
[00:45] based on now multiple organizations,
[00:48] including organizations within Israel
[00:50] who call it a genocide. But putting that
[00:52] aside, that whole situation started to
[00:55] wake others up, right? Conservative
[00:58] people up. And when Israel is starting
[01:01] to lose the support of American
[01:03] conservatives,
[01:04] they know that overall support for
[01:07] Israel from the United States is in
[01:09] jeopardy. Which is why I think the
[01:11] campaigns against people like you uh
[01:14] Charlie Kirk before he was killed were
[01:16] far more vicious, far more vicious than
[01:19] even the uh you know campaigns against
[01:21] me. The campaigns against me have been
[01:22] terrible. They've gone after family
[01:24] members of mine who aren't political at
[01:25] all. Don't even know what's going on.
[01:27] They don't pay attention to
[01:28] international news, right? They're in a
[01:30] completely different world. And
[01:31] suddenly, you know, their employers are
[01:33] calling them into the office to ask
[01:35] about my political views. That's how
[01:37] vicious these people are. That's how
[01:39] vicious they are. But I've seen them be
[01:42] far more vicious with you. I mean, you
[01:44] are and have been historically very
[01:46] supportive of Israel. I remember this
[01:48] whole thing with you began when you
[01:50] refused to denounce Candace Owens. How
[01:52] about How about you're responsible for
[01:54] what you say and Candace is responsible
[01:56] for what she says. Period. Period. End
[01:59] of story.
[02:00] >> Right. And and that started against me.
[02:02] Like now they want to pretend that it's
[02:04] all about I won't denounce Candace on
[02:06] Erica Kirk and that's not where it
[02:08] started. And that of course I disagree
[02:10] with Candace about Erica and Candace
[02:12] knows that and the world knows that. I
[02:13] said it repeatedly. But the the what
[02:16] they're really mad about is that I
[02:17] wouldn't denounce Candace asking
[02:19] questions about Israel in the wake of
[02:21] Charlie's death. And you hit on one of
[02:25] the reasons why Charlie and I bonded in
[02:28] this now famous conversation we had a
[02:30] month before he was murdered over the
[02:33] immense pressure being put on both of us
[02:35] to be to remain very pro-Israel. And we
[02:39] both were annoyed, exasperated, and
[02:43] deeply offended by already the terms
[02:46] being used about us for the mildest of
[02:48] conversations we had had about Epstein.
[02:51] He he had had it. He was also trying to
[02:53] give voice to young people's just the
[02:56] young people had already started turning
[02:57] on Israel, even within the Republican
[02:59] party, and he was trying to give voice
[03:00] to that. No, you're not allowed to. and
[03:02] that text message thread that ultimately
[03:04] came out that he was having behind the
[03:05] scenes saying he's had it with the
[03:06] Jewish donors who are threatening him.
[03:08] So they they really wanted me to say how
[03:11] bad Candace was for even mentioning
[03:14] Israel in the wake of Charlie's death.
[03:16] And I wouldn't condemn her because I
[03:18] favored her asking those questions 100%.
[03:21] Even though I think Tyler Robinson did
[03:23] it. I'm fine with asking questions about
[03:26] was it only Tyler? Who else may have
[03:28] been involved? Was is that crazy for her
[03:30] to ask? Absolutely not. And they they
[03:33] couldn't because I'm entitled to that
[03:35] belief and because Charlie and I had
[03:36] been going through the same thing, the
[03:38] same exact thing at the same ex exact
[03:40] time with the same evolution happening
[03:42] to both of us simultaneously because
[03:44] they couldn't really get me on that.
[03:46] They just waited until they found
[03:48] something that they thought would be
[03:50] more persuasive, which is now she's
[03:51] saying these terrible things about
[03:52] Erica. Let's make you you will condemn
[03:55] her over Erica or you're a bad person.
[03:58] And I said absolutely not. We're not
[04:00] playing that game. And some people still
[04:02] believe the lie that that's what it's
[04:03] about and it's not what it's about. And
[04:05] I will never bend the knee to these
[04:07] bullies who tortured Charlie. At a
[04:10] minimum, they tortured Charlie in his
[04:12] last two months on Earth. That's a fact.
[04:16] >> I will never bend the knee to them. So
[04:18] that's where we are.
[04:18] >> Yeah. And in fact, you know, say what
[04:20] you will about, you know, any of the
[04:23] other commentary that Candace has done,
[04:25] you do have to give her credit for
[04:27] revealing the truth about what Charlie
[04:29] Kirk was experiencing in the final
[04:31] months of his life. It's important for
[04:33] people to know that,
[04:34] >> which they denied.
[04:35] >> Exactly.
[04:35] >> They called her a liar. She was right.
[04:37] >> Yeah. And you know the other thing, just
[04:39] quickly going back to the Epstein files,
[04:41] which I found fascinating,
[04:44] the specific personalities in American
[04:48] media that seem to want to engage in the
[04:52] cover up, I think that's telling, right?
[04:54] The various members of US media that
[04:57] kept repeating over and over again that
[04:59] the American people don't really care
[05:01] about the Epste files. The Epste files
[05:03] don't matter. Oh, Americans are paying
[05:05] attention to other things that matter
[05:06] more to them. No, no, they cared about
[05:08] the Epste files and they still care
[05:10] about the Epste files, but
[05:12] >> they do care.
[05:13] >> But we should pay attention to the
[05:14] various media figures who downplayed it,
[05:17] who said it wasn't important, um who
[05:21] quite frankly appeared to be part of
[05:23] this effort to cover up the Epstein
[05:24] Files. Why? Why do those people engage
[05:27] in that type of commentary? What are
[05:29] they afraid of when it comes to the
[05:30] release of the Epstein Files? Just
[05:32] something to keep in mind.
[05:34] And now now we've been misled on the
[05:36] Epstein files yet again because we had
[05:39] this bill passed into law demanding
[05:41] these disclosures with huge exceptions
[05:45] that allowed the DOJ to remove really
[05:47] any problematic documents that they
[05:50] thought made this person or that look
[05:52] bad. So now we have it's almost worse
[05:54] than had nothing been released because
[05:56] we have almost fake transparency where
[05:58] they can say like oh everything's been
[05:59] released. It's like no. I trust me as a
[06:02] lawyer. I see the glaring loopholes in
[06:05] this law so clearly. It's like next to
[06:08] as good as doing nothing. Um, and now we
[06:11] get now they can pretend that they've
[06:12] done full disclosure. The DOJ says it's
[06:14] done disclosing all documents and
[06:16] there's some trove someplace that has
[06:19] who knows what in it. And I don't know
[06:21] whether we'll ever know the full truth.
[06:23] What do you think?
[06:24] >> I mean, we still don't know the full
[06:25] truth about JFK's assassination. They
[06:27] didn't release all the JFK files, which
[06:29] I find a little questionable, right? And
[06:32] I I disagree a little bit in that I'm
[06:35] glad they released what they did
[06:37] release. I mean, you have to admit, I
[06:39] mean, the members of Trump's
[06:41] administration did not do a good job in
[06:44] covering up what they did actually end
[06:47] up releasing, right? So, thanks to what
[06:49] they did release, we were able to draw
[06:51] those direct links between Epstein and
[06:54] the Israeli government. when it came to
[06:55] other deals like Epstein was very much
[06:58] involved in foreign policy in in
[07:00] striking deals between Israel and the
[07:02] UAE in striking deals with Israel and
[07:05] other countries as it pertains to cyber
[07:07] weapons and so those narratives aren't
[07:10] as sexy you know it's not as scandalous
[07:12] for Americans because it doesn't involve
[07:15] disgusting you know people in positions
[07:17] of power who happen to be disgusting
[07:19] pedophiles and freaks however I do think
[07:22] it's important to understand how Epstein
[07:25] was used as a tool by intelligence
[07:29] organizations, right? And Mosan,
[07:30] >> okay, but here we so we have to talk
[07:32] about this. We have to talk about this
[07:33] because
[07:34] >> that's the discussion I had with Charlie
[07:37] at the Turning Point event last July
[07:39] that kicked it all off.
[07:41] >> I went out on stage with him and and
[07:43] Charlie wanted to make the whole thing
[07:45] about Pam Bondi who had just stepped on
[07:48] a rake with that ridiculous DOJ memo,
[07:51] right? saying there we're not going to
[07:53] be releasing anything more about
[07:54] Epstein. And Charlie said to me
[07:56] backstage you he he was like let's do
[07:59] Bondi and he was like go for it like he
[08:02] said to Tucker infamously now go Max
[08:04] famously which we know because I have
[08:07] that moment on tape and I released it.
[08:09] Um but he said to me too like go for it
[08:13] on Bondi. and he basically told me he
[08:15] can't do it because he's close with the
[08:17] administration. And he didn't want to be
[08:19] seen in a position of like really
[08:20] attacking any of their top emissaries.
[08:22] And I was happy to do it cuz I'd been
[08:23] doing it on my show all week. It's not
[08:25] like I just did it for Charlie. But he
[08:26] wanted me to sort of repeat what I've
[08:28] been saying on stage at Turning Point.
[08:29] I'm like great. I'm like you you take it
[08:31] where you want me to take it because he
[08:32] was leading a Q&A with me. And we went
[08:34] to Epstein, right? We spent a fair
[08:37] amount of time on that's really what it
[08:38] was all about. Pam bonding or multiple
[08:40] Fox appearances and how there's no there
[08:42] there and does the base care. Charlie
[08:44] did a shout out to the audience. Do you
[08:45] care about Epste? And they were all
[08:46] like, yes, we care. And then he asked,
[08:49] "Do I think that Epstein worked for
[08:50] intelligence?" And I said, you know, it
[08:52] seems like he did. Whose do you think it
[08:54] was? Well, it's probably Israeli. I'm
[08:56] like, I don't know. I'm not an expert,
[08:58] but that's what it seems to me. And that
[09:00] was the moment that got turned around on
[09:03] both of us as we're now anti-semmites.
[09:06] who like so pro- Israel, Anna, you know,
[09:08] the past few years like ardently pro-
[09:10] Israel, defending everything. Not I
[09:12] didn't really follow the war to be
[09:13] honest with you, like the days ins and
[09:15] outs of what they were doing over there,
[09:16] but like anything that happened to an
[09:17] American Jewish person on campus, etc.
[09:20] And um Charlie same and like official
[09:25] American like Jewish organizations
[09:28] coming out and condemning the two of us
[09:29] as anti-semmites. And we were both like
[09:31] what?
[09:32] >> But now it's starting to make sense.
[09:35] It's it wasn't accidental that the
[09:38] action was outsized. The reaction was
[09:41] outsized to the alleged sin because they
[09:44] couldn't have us go there. That this is
[09:47] what you're saying and this is starting
[09:48] to make perfect sense to me.
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