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Candace Owens on Healthcare Fraud, Israeli Blackmail Operations, and Why Both Political Parties Are Selling Out America
Candace Owens joins Theo Von for a wide-ranging conversation that challenges mainstream narratives about American healthcare, foreign policy, and government corruption. From Trump's healthcare price transparency executive order to the reality of blackmail operations involving Jeffrey Epstein and Israel, Owens refuses to stay silent on topics most political commentators avoid. She discusses Gaza, the gaslighting of American citizens, why she won't compromise her values for money or popularity, and how the military-industrial complex continues to exploit everyday Americans while enriching elites. With her signature fearlessness, Owens explains why she believes both sides of the political aisle have been compromised and why she's willing to burn it all down to speak the truth.
The Reality of American Healthcare Fraud
Candace Owens begins by addressing one of the most corrupt systems in America: healthcare. She explains how she's been advocating for health transparency long before it became popular, even when she was being called "anti-vax" and irresponsible. Owens points out that conservatives actually came late to the health movement—it was originally led by leftist, granola moms in California who were questioning the system.
When discussing Trump's recent executive order on healthcare price transparency, Owens expresses cautious optimism. The order directs the Department of Treasury, Labor, and Health and Human Services to rapidly implement and enforce healthcare price transparency regulations, ensuring hospitals and insurers disclose actual prices rather than estimates. She notes this is actually Trump's second attempt at this policy, as he signed a similar order when leaving office that was never enforced.
Owens uses a powerful analogy to illustrate the absurdity of the current system: "Imagine you come into a store and you're like, how much does a shirt cost? They say, can't tell you right now. Just pick up the shirt, see what you want, take whatever you want, and then we'll bill you. And they just make up the prices after you're gone. That one t-shirt? It was $20,000."
How Insurance Companies Created the Healthcare Crisis
The conversation shifts to how insurance companies have destroyed price competition in healthcare. Owens explains that LASIK eye surgery provides a perfect case study. When insurance companies covered LASIK, it cost $10,000 to $15,000 per eye. Once insurance companies decided it was cosmetic and stopped covering it, doctors had to compete for patients. The price dropped to $3,500 for both eyes.
She emphasizes that what we have in America isn't capitalism—it's the opposite. "There cannot be capitalism in free markets where you don't know how much something costs," Owens states. She points out that medical debt is the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US, accounting for 66.5% of all bankruptcies. The stress this creates on families is immense, with people constantly battling with insurance companies while dealing with illness.
Owens argues that if this executive order is properly enforced and prices become transparent, Americans won't need as much Medicaid because actual costs will be affordable. She's hoping this is part of a simultaneous strategy to reduce government healthcare programs while making healthcare actually affordable through market competition.
Why Government Never Changes: The Term Limits Solution
When asked why nothing ever seems to change in government regardless of which party is in power, Owens has a clear answer: lack of term limits. She explains that when politicians can stay in office indefinitely, they start viewing government as their employer rather than the people they serve. Their incentive becomes growing government power rather than improving life for citizens.
"If you have no incentive, if you're going into government and you know that you can stay in government forever, then you have to think of government as your employer," Owens explains. "You want the company that you work for to grow." She contrasts this with what would happen with term limits: politicians would know they have to return to being regular Americans, giving them every incentive to make life better for citizens rather than enriching themselves and growing government.
Owens points to Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden as examples of politicians who have been in government forever. She calls them "the Crypt Keeper" generation whose primary goal is maintaining their own power. She also argues that politicians shouldn't be allowed to work for lobbies immediately after leaving office, and that lobbying should be outlawed entirely. When asked why this doesn't happen if every American agrees, her answer is simple: "They don't care what we think."
The Biden Presidency: Elder Abuse in Plain Sight
Owens doesn't hold back when discussing the Biden presidency, calling it "elder abuse in plain sight." She describes the "darkness and fear" that characterized his time in office, clarifying that it wasn't because Biden was president—it was because everyone knew he wasn't actually president.
"It's quite a strange thing," she says. "The scariest part was because he wasn't president. So who was running the country?" She expresses amazement that there wasn't a daily newspaper article from every media company pointing out that there was a man who was obviously being commandeered, who was clearly not mentally well. "If somebody did that to my grandfather or father, it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to the rest of the world."
Owens is particularly critical of Biden's wife and children for not speaking up, though she acknowledges we don't know the full family dynamics. She wonders if perhaps Biden himself insisted on continuing despite his obvious decline. The image of him falling off a bike particularly stuck with her as a symbol of how America's leaders were willing to humiliate an elderly man for political purposes.
Trump, Gaza, and the Limits of Loyalty
Despite being a conservative, Owens is openly critical of Trump's stance on Gaza, calling it an issue where she's "totally disagree[s] with him" and finds it "hard to reconcile." She sees "so much hypocrisy" in the America First movement when there's a "magic carve-out" for Israel, which she attributes to AIPAC spending $100 million on elections.
"I have been very disappointed with Trump on his perspectives about Gaza," Owens states plainly. "He's the last person I'm disappointed with because I've been disappointed as we saw all last year with conservatives, people that say they're Christians who are condoning this." She's particularly frustrated with those who dismiss Palestinian suffering because they're Muslims, which she attributes to "9/11 programming where we just don't see Muslims as human life."
She describes Trump's comments about building casinos and hotels in Gaza as "so far removed from humanity" and says she's "tired of America being used as Israel's piggy bank." Owens acknowledges she "paid a very heavy price" for speaking out on this issue last year but insists her values have never been for sale. "I will burn everything to the ground and rebuild it. I have to be able to sleep at night."
Israeli Blackmail Operations and the Epstein Files
Owens doesn't shy away from discussing Israeli involvement in blackmail operations, pointing to Jeffrey Epstein as a prime example. She believes blackmail explains why America maintains such a strong relationship with Israel and why we can't access the Epstein files or JFK files.
"I think blackmail," she says when asked about the US-Israel relationship. "I think it's a form of gaslighting us to pretend that our special friend and ally isn't involved in blackmail operations." She notes that Israeli blackmail comes up repeatedly in her investigations of various international figures, and that Epstein clearly had intelligence connections given his multiple passports under different names from different countries.
Owens references an investigation by the Jewish organization Jewish Community Watch, which exposed how Jewish American pedophiles can flee to Israel and avoid prosecution. CBS News covered the story, showing how accused pedophiles like Jimmy Caro have evaded American justice by claiming Israeli protection. "We have every right to critique this nation because you take money from us," Owens argues. "When we go to work and taxes are being taken away, we're paying to support this."
The Blackmail Economy and Diddy
The conversation extends beyond Epstein to discuss how blackmail operations work more broadly. Owens suggests that powerful people may not even know they're being filmed or that the people they're with are underage until it's too late and they're caught on tape. She draws parallels to the Diddy case, suggesting similar blackmail operations have been running for decades in America.
"Sexual blackmail is what Jeffrey Epstein was involved in," she states. "These blackmail operations are definitely operating, and that's actual blackmail—if you have hidden cameras and you're capturing people doing drugs and sleeping with underage people." She credits Jeffrey Sachs, who is Jewish, for speaking well about this history on Tucker Carlson's show, once again pushing back against the idea that criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic.
Why America Should Mind Its Own Business
When it comes to foreign policy, Owens advocates for what she calls "isolationism" and wears the label proudly. She questions why America needs to be involved in Middle Eastern affairs at all, pushing back against the common argument that "we need an ally there."
"Why the hell do we have any business in the Middle East at all?" she asks. "Why are we involved constantly in Middle East drama? Let's say the Taliban is terribly corrupt and they're making women wear burkas—I would like to mind my business." She describes American foreign policy as "international expansionism, international liberalism" where everyone must think and live like Americans.
Owens compares it to never thinking about how her neighbors live: "Never once have I thought about how you live. This is what America does—we're like next-door neighbors who think our morals are so good that we need to go next door and force everyone to live like we live." She argues that America hasn't benefited from Middle Eastern wars—only Israel has. American streets aren't cleaner, borders aren't safer, and citizens had to give up rights at airports, all while daughters and sons died overseas.
The Glory Days of the 1990s
Owens frequently references the 1990s as a time when America was "chill." She describes a country where "everybody was happy, we were wearing overalls, we were saving up money for Disney in those big Poland Spring bottles." Then September 11th happened, and America "could not stop being involved in stuff."
She points out that Americans were told endless Middle Eastern involvement would make the country safer, but it did the opposite. "I don't feel safer when I have to strip dance at every airport," she says. "We used to not have to do that." She sees post-9/11 America as the beginning of giving up rights under the "illusion of Middle Eastern terrorism," while the country became dirtier and more chaotic.
Who Actually Fights America's Wars
One of Owens's most passionate arguments concerns who actually serves in the military. She points out the cruel irony that the mainstream media calls certain Americans racist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic, and then expects those same people to sign up and fight wars for foreign nations.
"The very same people that the mainstream media calls all these names, and then the price you get to pay for that is that you get to sign up and fight the war so that those little elitists can write their articles about you," she explains. She says she would never send her kids to fight in a war for a foreign nation when America's homeland is in such poor condition.
Owens reserves particular scorn for neoconservatives who love war but would never send their own children to fight. "You love the war so much, neocons? Put your kids in the war. You love Israel so much? Go fight for Israel." She notes that the people who are first to sign up are often "good old boys" from Tennessee and Alabama—the same straight white American males that mainstream culture has made it acceptable to mock and blame for everything.
The Money Problem in Politics and Media
Throughout the conversation, Owens returns to the corrupting influence of money. She's seen it up close in politics, media, and business, and it's made her hate politics even more. "There's this expression, never meet your idols," she says. "The closer that I got to politics, the more I realized how much I hate politics."
She's watched people she once admired reveal themselves as only interested in enriching themselves. "There is just something about money that just turns everyone into a prostitute, and it's sad," Owens reflects. But she notes that the few people who do resist money's corrupting influence tend to have "something that's so much better than riches"—their lives are in order, they have families, they're actually happy, and they don't want more.
This is why Owens is so protective of the trust she's built with her audience. She's grateful that people no longer believe mainstream media and are turning to independent podcasts. Seeing names like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens at the top of Spotify charts tells her that "holding on to basic human values" and refusing to treat audiences like they're stupid has earned their trust. "I don't want to fumble that ball," she says.
Pregnancy Dreams and Cultural Differences
On a lighter note, Owens shares some fascinating observations about pregnancy dreams. She's currently expecting her fourth child—having had children every year, making pregnancy "a lifestyle" for her. She describes having vivid dreams during pregnancy that sometimes come true, including one where her executive producer's unborn son visited her in a dream before the woman even knew she was pregnant.
The conversation also touches on cultural and racial differences in temperature preference. Owens jokes about being a woman who's black and pregnant, meaning she runs cold and prefers heat. "Our natural habitat is warm," she explains. "My family's Caribbean, so the warmth feels great." Meanwhile, her British husband and Nordic team members are always freezing in what she considers comfortable temperatures.
She shares funny observations about British culture, like how they still wear "fascinators" (a specific type of hat) to weddings and how there are "rules for no reason." She loves being uncomfortable in new cultures and learning, rather than resorting to stereotypes. Her recent family trip included time in England with her husband's family and a ski trip to Zermatt, Switzerland, where she marveled at how people built an entire mountain village in such cold conditions—something she jokes no black people would have attempted.
Safety Concerns and Being a Public Figure
When asked about concerns for her safety given her controversial positions, Owens is surprisingly philosophical. She points out that JFK was shot in a moving vehicle despite being the most secure person in America, so security is partly "vanity." Her perspective is that "it's in God's hands."
Her main concern isn't her own safety but her children witnessing something traumatic. She's seen clips of people confronting Tucker Carlson when he was with his kids, and she knows her children have no idea who she is publicly. "They think I make breakfast, do laundry," she says. If someone screamed at her in front of her kids, she worries about her "natural bear instinct" taking over and flying off the handle. That's her only daily consideration regarding safety—protecting her cubs from political craziness entering their normal lives.
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