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Candace Owens on Healthcare Fraud, Israeli Blackmail Operations, and Why Both Political Parties Are Selling Out America
Candace Owens joins Theo Von for a wide-ranging conversation that challenges mainstream narratives about American healthcare, foreign policy, and government corruption. From Trump's healthcare price transparency executive order to the reality of blackmail operations involving Jeffrey Epstein and Israel, Owens refuses to stay silent on topics most political commentators avoid. She discusses Gaza, the gaslighting of American citizens, why she won't compromise her values for money or popularity, and how the military-industrial complex continues to exploit everyday Americans while enriching elites. With her signature fearlessness, Owens explains why she believes both sides of the political aisle have been compromised and why she's willing to burn it all down to speak the truth.
The Reality of American Healthcare Fraud
Candace Owens begins by addressing one of the most corrupt systems in America: healthcare. She explains how she's been advocating for health transparency long before it became popular, even when she was being called "anti-vax" and irresponsible. Owens points out that conservatives actually came late to the health movement—it was originally led by leftist, granola moms in California who were questioning the system.
When discussing Trump's recent executive order on healthcare price transparency, Owens expresses cautious optimism. The order directs the Department of Treasury, Labor, and Health and Human Services to rapidly implement and enforce healthcare price transparency regulations, ensuring hospitals and insurers disclose actual prices rather than estimates. She notes this is actually Trump's second attempt at this policy, as he signed a similar order when leaving office that was never enforced.
Owens uses a powerful analogy to illustrate the absurdity of the current system: "Imagine you come into a store and you're like, how much does a shirt cost? They say, can't tell you right now. Just pick up the shirt, see what you want, take whatever you want, and then we'll bill you. And they just make up the prices after you're gone. That one t-shirt? It was $20,000."
How Insurance Companies Created the Healthcare Crisis
The conversation shifts to how insurance companies have destroyed price competition in healthcare. Owens explains that LASIK eye surgery provides a perfect case study. When insurance companies covered LASIK, it cost $10,000 to $15,000 per eye. Once insurance companies decided it was cosmetic and stopped covering it, doctors had to compete for patients. The price dropped to $3,500 for both eyes.
She emphasizes that what we have in America isn't capitalism—it's the opposite. "There cannot be capitalism in free markets where you don't know how much something costs," Owens states. She points out that medical debt is the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US, accounting for 66.5% of all bankruptcies. The stress this creates on families is immense, with people constantly battling with insurance companies while dealing with illness.
Owens argues that if this executive order is properly enforced and prices become transparent, Americans won't need as much Medicaid because actual costs will be affordable. She's hoping this is part of a simultaneous strategy to reduce government healthcare programs while making healthcare actually affordable through market competition.
Why Government Never Changes: The Term Limits Solution
When asked why nothing ever seems to change in government regardless of which party is in power, Owens has a clear answer: lack of term limits. She explains that when politicians can stay in office indefinitely, they start viewing government as their employer rather than the people they serve. Their incentive becomes growing government power rather than improving life for citizens.
"If you have no incentive, if you're going into government and you know that you can stay in government forever, then you have to think of government as your employer," Owens explains. "You want the company that you work for to grow." She contrasts this with what would happen with term limits: politicians would know they have to return to being regular Americans, giving them every incentive to make life better for citizens rather than enriching themselves and growing government.
Owens points to Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden as examples of politicians who have been in government forever. She calls them "the Crypt Keeper" generation whose primary goal is maintaining their own power. She also argues that politicians shouldn't be allowed to work for lobbies immediately after leaving office, and that lobbying should be outlawed entirely. When asked why this doesn't happen if every American agrees, her answer is simple: "They don't care what we think."
The Biden Presidency: Elder Abuse in Plain Sight
Owens doesn't hold back when discussing the Biden presidency, calling it "elder abuse in plain sight." She describes the "darkness and fear" that characterized his time in office, clarifying that it wasn't because Biden was president—it was because everyone knew he wasn't actually president.
"It's quite a strange thing," she says. "The scariest part was because he wasn't president. So who was running the country?" She expresses amazement that there wasn't a daily newspaper article from every media company pointing out that there was a man who was obviously being commandeered, who was clearly not mentally well. "If somebody did that to my grandfather or father, it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to the rest of the world."
Owens is particularly critical of Biden's wife and children for not speaking up, though she acknowledges we don't know the full family dynamics. She wonders if perhaps Biden himself insisted on continuing despite his obvious decline. The image of him falling off a bike particularly stuck with her as a symbol of how America's leaders were willing to humiliate an elderly man for political purposes.
Trump, Gaza, and the Limits of Loyalty
Despite being a conservative, Owens is openly critical of Trump's stance on Gaza, calling it an issue where she's "totally disagree[s] with him" and finds it "hard to reconcile." She sees "so much hypocrisy" in the America First movement when there's a "magic carve-out" for Israel, which she attributes to AIPAC spending $100 million on elections.
"I have been very disappointed with Trump on his perspectives about Gaza," Owens states plainly. "He's the last person I'm disappointed with because I've been disappointed as we saw all last year with conservatives, people that say they're Christians who are condoning this." She's particularly frustrated with those who dismiss Palestinian suffering because they're Muslims, which she attributes to "9/11 programming where we just don't see Muslims as human life."
She describes Trump's comments about building casinos and hotels in Gaza as "so far removed from humanity" and says she's "tired of America being used as Israel's piggy bank." Owens acknowledges she "paid a very heavy price" for speaking out on this issue last year but insists her values have never been for sale. "I will burn everything to the ground and rebuild it. I have to be able to sleep at night."
Israeli Blackmail Operations and the Epstein Files
Owens doesn't shy away from discussing Israeli involvement in blackmail operations, pointing to Jeffrey Epstein as a prime example. She believes blackmail explains why America maintains such a strong relationship with Israel and why we can't access the Epstein files or JFK files.
"I think blackmail," she says when asked about the US-Israel relationship. "I think it's a form of gaslighting us to pretend that our special friend and ally isn't involved in blackmail operations." She notes that Israeli blackmail comes up repeatedly in her investigations of various international figures, and that Epstein clearly had intelligence connections given his multiple passports under different names from different countries.
Owens references an investigation by the Jewish organization Jewish Community Watch, which exposed how Jewish American pedophiles can flee to Israel and avoid prosecution. CBS News covered the story, showing how accused pedophiles like Jimmy Caro have evaded American justice by claiming Israeli protection. "We have every right to critique this nation because you take money from us," Owens argues. "When we go to work and taxes are being taken away, we're paying to support this."
The Blackmail Economy and Diddy
The conversation extends beyond Epstein to discuss how blackmail operations work more broadly. Owens suggests that powerful people may not even know they're being filmed or that the people they're with are underage until it's too late and they're caught on tape. She draws parallels to the Diddy case, suggesting similar blackmail operations have been running for decades in America.
"Sexual blackmail is what Jeffrey Epstein was involved in," she states. "These blackmail operations are definitely operating, and that's actual blackmail—if you have hidden cameras and you're capturing people doing drugs and sleeping with underage people." She credits Jeffrey Sachs, who is Jewish, for speaking well about this history on Tucker Carlson's show, once again pushing back against the idea that criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic.
Why America Should Mind Its Own Business
When it comes to foreign policy, Owens advocates for what she calls "isolationism" and wears the label proudly. She questions why America needs to be involved in Middle Eastern affairs at all, pushing back against the common argument that "we need an ally there."
"Why the hell do we have any business in the Middle East at all?" she asks. "Why are we involved constantly in Middle East drama? Let's say the Taliban is terribly corrupt and they're making women wear burkas—I would like to mind my business." She describes American foreign policy as "international expansionism, international liberalism" where everyone must think and live like Americans.
Owens compares it to never thinking about how her neighbors live: "Never once have I thought about how you live. This is what America does—we're like next-door neighbors who think our morals are so good that we need to go next door and force everyone to live like we live." She argues that America hasn't benefited from Middle Eastern wars—only Israel has. American streets aren't cleaner, borders aren't safer, and citizens had to give up rights at airports, all while daughters and sons died overseas.
The Glory Days of the 1990s
Owens frequently references the 1990s as a time when America was "chill." She describes a country where "everybody was happy, we were wearing overalls, we were saving up money for Disney in those big Poland Spring bottles." Then September 11th happened, and America "could not stop being involved in stuff."
She points out that Americans were told endless Middle Eastern involvement would make the country safer, but it did the opposite. "I don't feel safer when I have to strip dance at every airport," she says. "We used to not have to do that." She sees post-9/11 America as the beginning of giving up rights under the "illusion of Middle Eastern terrorism," while the country became dirtier and more chaotic.
Who Actually Fights America's Wars
One of Owens's most passionate arguments concerns who actually serves in the military. She points out the cruel irony that the mainstream media calls certain Americans racist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic, and then expects those same people to sign up and fight wars for foreign nations.
"The very same people that the mainstream media calls all these names, and then the price you get to pay for that is that you get to sign up and fight the war so that those little elitists can write their articles about you," she explains. She says she would never send her kids to fight in a war for a foreign nation when America's homeland is in such poor condition.
Owens reserves particular scorn for neoconservatives who love war but would never send their own children to fight. "You love the war so much, neocons? Put your kids in the war. You love Israel so much? Go fight for Israel." She notes that the people who are first to sign up are often "good old boys" from Tennessee and Alabama—the same straight white American males that mainstream culture has made it acceptable to mock and blame for everything.
The Money Problem in Politics and Media
Throughout the conversation, Owens returns to the corrupting influence of money. She's seen it up close in politics, media, and business, and it's made her hate politics even more. "There's this expression, never meet your idols," she says. "The closer that I got to politics, the more I realized how much I hate politics."
She's watched people she once admired reveal themselves as only interested in enriching themselves. "There is just something about money that just turns everyone into a prostitute, and it's sad," Owens reflects. But she notes that the few people who do resist money's corrupting influence tend to have "something that's so much better than riches"—their lives are in order, they have families, they're actually happy, and they don't want more.
This is why Owens is so protective of the trust she's built with her audience. She's grateful that people no longer believe mainstream media and are turning to independent podcasts. Seeing names like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens at the top of Spotify charts tells her that "holding on to basic human values" and refusing to treat audiences like they're stupid has earned their trust. "I don't want to fumble that ball," she says.
Pregnancy Dreams and Cultural Differences
On a lighter note, Owens shares some fascinating observations about pregnancy dreams. She's currently expecting her fourth child—having had children every year, making pregnancy "a lifestyle" for her. She describes having vivid dreams during pregnancy that sometimes come true, including one where her executive producer's unborn son visited her in a dream before the woman even knew she was pregnant.
The conversation also touches on cultural and racial differences in temperature preference. Owens jokes about being a woman who's black and pregnant, meaning she runs cold and prefers heat. "Our natural habitat is warm," she explains. "My family's Caribbean, so the warmth feels great." Meanwhile, her British husband and Nordic team members are always freezing in what she considers comfortable temperatures.
She shares funny observations about British culture, like how they still wear "fascinators" (a specific type of hat) to weddings and how there are "rules for no reason." She loves being uncomfortable in new cultures and learning, rather than resorting to stereotypes. Her recent family trip included time in England with her husband's family and a ski trip to Zermatt, Switzerland, where she marveled at how people built an entire mountain village in such cold conditions—something she jokes no black people would have attempted.
Safety Concerns and Being a Public Figure
When asked about concerns for her safety given her controversial positions, Owens is surprisingly philosophical. She points out that JFK was shot in a moving vehicle despite being the most secure person in America, so security is partly "vanity." Her perspective is that "it's in God's hands."
Her main concern isn't her own safety but her children witnessing something traumatic. She's seen clips of people confronting Tucker Carlson when he was with his kids, and she knows her children have no idea who she is publicly. "They think I make breakfast, do laundry," she says. If someone screamed at her in front of her kids, she worries about her "natural bear instinct" taking over and flying off the handle. That's her only daily consideration regarding safety—protecting her cubs from political craziness entering their normal lives.
Video Transcript
I have some tour dates to tell you about Victoria in the Canada I'll be there Winnipeg and Calgary as well in the Canada Miami Florida Fort Wayne Indiana Chicago Illinois Tuscaloosa Alabama Oxford Mississippi belon and College Station Texas tickets at theo. comom today's guest is a political commentator an investigative reporter and a podcaster uh she's known for her conservative viewpoints her many viral debates and her own show Candice which you can find uh releasing every week I'm grateful for her time today's guest is Candace [Music] Owens and I will find a song I will sing [Applause] anyway is this mic on her okay we good do do I sound good everyone sound I greate I look perfect oh dang I'm not going to tell you that you're obviously a taken woman um yeah are you hot or cold do you feel like no I I I am um I only run one white because I'm black so I'm do do I was going to ask cuz you're pre because you're pregnant are you hotter but that's this is like a repeat conversation like first off there's the the women we always run cold oh yes I've heard that my friend Neil Brennan is a comedian he has a bunch of jokes about yeah and then and so I'm a woman and I'm black so I naturally like the heat oh so black women prefer to be warmer yeah of course no like we like we like the heat like our natural habitat is warm oh my family's Caribbean so like if the warmth feels great so when I'm boiling hot like the team like my team of guys they're always like they always want the air on so it's like freezing cold in here and I have to tell them like you know some of you are Nordic it doesn't work like you know I have a redhe on my team and I'm like Skylar like you know you're from the Nordic countries that's why you feel this way I think that like where you're from dictates a lot of your life or where your family would originally be from yeah I didn't sometimes I don't think about that it would be great if your AC or whatever had like a Caribbean setting or whatever and you could have set that and suddenly like some great music came out perfect and then some guys's trying to get you to gamble offshore suddenly you're like what temperature is this that would be so crazy they should have yeah where are all the cool settings for the a for the HVAC I I absolutely love the heat so I cannot stand the winter I can't stand the cold weather the gray weather even there's a difference if and this I think actually gets scientific I didn't need the science of it but it does get scientific but if you're from those countries like if I'm in the UK cuz my husband's English just the gray weather I can't live like this bunch of over there the sun I this and my husband just fine he can be like productive like super productive if it's like 12 days of gray and Rain he he almost loves it he just wants to retreat to his Library oh yeah I think all British people are always just writing War letters and stuff that's how I kind of always Envision them they're always just looking out the window and writing about the war to each other that's what my husband does all day of course yeah and then even padding and bear their bear has a coat he's not even like our bears are naked you know what I'm saying like I'm not saying that that's the way to do it but if you bring up an American teddy bear real quick let me see this topless bastard P Paddington bear is proper yeah now some of these are obviously some pretty right-wing Bears put up a uh bring up a politically neutral teddy bear no but they are they're always like not well dressed we're not we don't we don't really wear a lot of clothes in America in general and especially as you come down to the South it just gets because then there's there's England and there's New England so I'm from Connecticut so there's a lot of similarity and then the more that you drift South you're kind of in a different country oh that's a you know that's a good point I never even think about that oh yeah cuz you would if you see some people cooking some of the stuff I've seen them cook you would call the police in some communities you know but in other communities you're just sharpening your silverware so yeah I agree that it's that's interesting but yeah they should have definitely some better settings on the AC if they had Caribbean like you turn that [ __ ] set that [ __ ] to plantains or whatever like I would love that I absolutely love it um you are pregnant now I've been pregnant for four years actually so I think now people are kind of saying to me still or again when they see me are you still pregnant or are you pregnant again so not sure which one but this is my fourth kid so and I I've had a child every year it's kind of crazy this is like a lifestyle now for me pregn a lifestyle yeah do you are there good dreams when you're pregnant like that's one thing CU you're kind of dreaming for two I feel like is it almost like being at the sphere or whatever that's what I would wonder you get some really weird dreams when you're pregnant and also some very precise dreams that end up coming true totally weird I mean I woke up and had such a crystal clear dream my last pregnancy my EP was trying to get pregnant and EP means executive producer yeah my former executive producer and I had a crystal like her son visited me like and it was before she knew she was pregnant and I said to her you're having a little boy like you're pregnant and she was like I'm not pregnant and then she went or somebody somebody shot an episode of the ring in your womb maybe one or the other that sounds wild and then they got pregnant she found out she was pregnant and then she went back cuz I texted her and it was the like the day of conception and my sisters did the same exact thing to me when they were pregnant so there's some weird pregnancy dreams that happen I go with them if I remember a vivid pregnancy dream I'm like that's happening yeah yeah oh that's cool yeah cuz you would think that the spirit would be able to come visit you before it showed up right cuz this is just kind of the physical inclination of a spirit right being alive on Earth and so it would make sense that the spirit got to come and kind of loiter a little bit or visit friends that so or visit like friends of whoever it was going to occupy you know if I think about dreams too hard it freaks me out like deja vu oh it just scares me genuinely I'm I'm going what's real what's not is this Inception yes because you are so certain in a moment of deja vu that you've been there you've seen that person you've met that person and yet you haven't in your waking world yeah so us not having like just humans not having an answer to Deja Vu is one of those lingering things that in the back of my mind if I think too much about it I'm I just get freaked out yeah I had a a guest on recently this guy AR shafir and we had the strongest monu I'd ever had and I almost was grabbed him and I was like you you've been here yeah and where you like yeah maybe sometimes like an like an enemy or a friend or you just know someone well it was like I knew you I was like we've done this before and I I almost felt like he knew it and he was like like this bastard is this dude I was like tell me why you came before that's what I know you from Another Life what was our beef like dude yeah what H tell me what you're [ __ ] doing here tell me who you're working for yeah um did you you so you have three children that are out of your body right now is that what you're saying out of my body yeah three three we did three under three my eldest just turned four and so yeah we're on another we are on another planet right now in my house like the toddlers are running things they're running things they are I'm scared of them and I feel comfortable saying that here I wouldn't tell them that I I act tough no you got to yeah I think you go away from the house we let them know we're outnumbered you know cuz they're just kind of learning to count but we are fully outnumbered you only teach them to count too before they start making sense and having little toddler meetings of like Hey listen up there's more of us than there are of them I watched way too much Rugrats growing up so oh yeah I for I didn't see it's interesting that you would see Rugrats as like a um like a scop idea of like babies kind of like coagulating and forming like a Lord of the Flies Tommy had a screwdriver at all times he was a moral person but he had a screwdriver at all times in his um yeah there's diaper was thick too and I'll say this this is a little girl on the right uhuh she looks like and this guy is also a very handsome guy um in this photo she looks like Anthony Smith who is a one of the greatest UFC fighters bring up a photo of Anthony Smith as well on a separate I separate and I shouldn't say that cuz she's going to get upset yeah and she's not the one to upset so you us you used to be very careful here before she Anthony Smiths you okay okay yeah never mind oh you have a beautiful family um are you able to take a vacation were you able to take any vacations recently or anything yeah we went just got back I'm saying just got back but that's how it feels like time is flying but uh we spent all of December overseas so we spent a lot of time in England because we just want to spend time with my husband's family and then we popped over to Switzerland for a ski trip which was awesome yeah yeah so and I had a lot of these thoughts like when we were walking through Zera and I love ESP it's a beautiful country but you know you get the tour and you're way up in the mountains and they figured out how to just live in the mountains and you get these moments where you're just like you know there were no black people here when this was built cuz there's no way we would even like it's so cold that we would be like let's see if we can get a sleigh up here and try to build roads like it's just and it's amazing like Zer look at that it's it's the most beautiful town and they figured out how to make everything happen on tiny little roads and with taxis going up and in between wowow that's Zurich that zerat zerat yeah have you been to Switzerland I haven't but you always hear about the Swiss Alps is this it it's beautiful wow yeah they Switzerland is truly a beautiful beautiful country and I love the mountains I will say that I am a mountain girl I I do not love I actually kind of hate beaches really I hav an issue with sand I have beef with sand yeah it just gets everywhere I don't know it's drying and it gets everywhere and I just don't like it yeah I wonder how I feel about it speaking of those Villages actually yeah I never I haven't been there but my friend when I was a kid he won his family football pool or whatever for um the NCAA football like like whenever they have the bowl games and his mom like coerced him into buying a Switzerland Village or whatever that they could put on their table at home so he he came into some money he came in it was almost like I think it was like 1100 he came into some money and so then dude like two weeks later were like dude what are you going to do with the money and he had a freaking Christmas Village at his house like like a dollhous or just like you know those Villages people get and it's like Switzerland and his was Switzerland but it was um but he was Furious about it and it anyway I don't know why told you that story but um but that sounds like a beautiful trip I would like to go to Switzerland I spent a little bit of time in uh France and then I was in London recently and actually really enjoyed it yeah I hadn't enjoyed it as much before but I think this time I noticed that the people over there they seem to have like um or at least the women some of the women over there are more or maybe this is I don't want to say women but there's more going on than just like um likes on social media there people seem to have a bit more to them as individuals but that could just be the people I was talking to yeah I absolutely love London it's like a second home and there is a totally different culture and if you're one of those people that I like to be uncomfortable so I like to go somewhere where I know absolutely nothing and be uncomfortable and learn and a lot of people don't like that they instantly become judgmental and kind of resort to stereotypes of who well the you know the English and the king and the Queen and whatever it is that's kind of programmed into I am like the exact opposite person like I absolutely love their culture I love that there's so many rules like there's no reason for rules but they have rules and you what I mean I love that they wear hats still to weddings like fascinators rather which I learned I learned that they're called fascinators not hat a fascinator is a hat it's called the F like the ones you we to the wedding those are called fascinators not hats and there is a difference bring it up a fascinator yeah he's I want see I want to see him spell it too cuz that's even he sounds like a gay superhero kind of that's how I feel oh [ __ ] and it's just a dude that shows up and it's like he doesn't have any specific powers like any of the other superheroes he's just like more like exciting he's like oh [ __ ] there's fascinator Randy or whatever dude all my that's fascinator oh a female hat yeah and so you wear they still wear hats to weddings and I love it so when I go to weddings now I wear hats well I I call them hats just for Americans understand but fascinators and to shop for fascinators is really fun it's actually like I feel like this you would be hilarious shopping for a fascinator you know cuz you can just find one that speaks to your character you know but we've given up that like I love gloves hats when you see someone wearing a lot of um like just hats gloves and what's the other thing that like your outfit to look complete you just look more complete you know what I mean oh yeah there's more they they're more it's they look a little bit more gift wrapped over there right whereas here if was hats and gloves it's burglary usually I feel like so it's just like America's kind of like best dressed people in America burglars if we're being honest we have so many burglar now there should be a contest I feel like we've definitely come a long way from the Beagle boys bring those guys up from uh DuckTales those guys were horribly dressed DuckTales you strike me as someone who watched the DuckTales we had to this was our babysitter I was like Mom do we have a babysitter she's like yeah the Beagle boys don't you watch DuckTales every day I'm like that's a television program Scrooge McDuck this is a throwback yeah I remember it but it wasn't my number one show for sure like I really loved Doug funny oh yeah he was really like a cool guy well you also ended up marrying a white guy too so I think that all checks out you think Doug funny though he wasn't I mean I thought Roger was cooler and he was blue guy oh yeah he was a blue guy Roger oh no green was he green Roger they could have changed him yeah they probably changed him yeah people always say he looks like M lore a little bit too do you know that thing um what is the term for it's going to escape me at the moment but where you go back and you are so certain that something was drawn a certain way the Mandela effect yeah that really creeps me out too do you know what I'm talking about yeah yeah you'll be like no it was exactly like this and then it it wasn't right and I'm certain it was like The Bernstein Bears like yeah that's the big one people talk about a lot yeah that freaks me out remember many people let me see the Mandela effect is when a group of people misremember something such as a brand name or event some examples include many people remember yes Fruit of the Loom had a cornucopia I agree and they're saying it doesn't now so who's doing it who's deleting it who's deleting the files of our memories because I am certain Fruit of the Loom how a cornicopia little cornicopia little fruit little Loom or you brought the loom I don't know what a loom is I don't want to know but this is the kind of stuff where it they just are deleting they're deleting files now so someone is just at the CIA just like hitting the delete button and then they just I would be surpris didn't happen I'm not I have one for you Pikachu okay did was there describe his tail Pikachu short uh let me think of him yeah oh God he's nasty uh he had short little tail kind of like a um just like a little Tri like a isoceles triangle kind of coming off what color was it his tail was yellow you don't remember anything on it maybe had a little ball at the end or something like a little yeah like black ball at the end there was no black little thing at the end of it now they're saying Pikachu never had that that stresses me out there was a black ball at the end the one on the left is correct and they're saying the black ball never existed so someone's just deleting the files they're deleting the files well I I wouldn't be it's like it feels like that a lot of times and we get so like compromised in our brains that because we only have so much bandwidth right like we think we have this immense amount of bandwidth but we really don't and so it's like once your like files are kind of filled it's like that's all you have yeah are you saying we're getting old yeah I think that doesn't help you know Candace Owens thanks for hanging out with me today I appreciate it it's nice to see you thank you yeah I think you're like such a brave um you're like veracity you're like Fearless you know and you're like um you're fear I don't think anybody couldn't say those things about you do you ever like get worried for your own safety or anything these days is that happening I really don't and it's definitely a consideration like because people are constantly saying to me worry about your safety get security but I kind of think security is one of these things that you get for your own vanity because my perspective is they shot JFK in a moving vehicle he's supposed to be the most secure person in the United States and so when you see people walking around and they've got security I'm like okay maybe it makes you feel good but at the end of the day it's in God's hands so yeah it's just yeah they can easily catch me outside of an Eddie bow or something you know that's what I mean in a heartbeat that won't be won't be that difficult so I am extremely realistic about things like that and I also think that there's safety in people even saying to watch your safety like if people are looking out for you and those sorts of things I think we live in a different world now with social media and people that are way more invested in in individuals and the things that were able to happen like in the 60s couldn't really happen today without causing a major Firestorm so I try not to think about that too much I I worry more about the just the privacy as a parent to children like that would be that's the the one area cuz I've seen some clips online of people getting whacka dooodle whether you're talking left or right some people can just get way too crazy and way too comfortable and will go up to someone when they're with their kids like I've seen a clip of someone years ago that was chastising Tucker Carlson like he was I think he was in Jackson Hole like he was in Wyoming where just nothing happens in Wyoming oh I think I remember remember this clip maybe yeah but he was with his children he was with his children and that's so bizarre because then the kid is witnessing the kid is like what's even going on right they have no idea who I my kids have no idea who I am yeah he's like I thought my dad sold nicotine pouches he's a he's a f he's a they think I make breakfast do laundry you know what I mean so if someone comes up and they start screaming they they're likely to join in you we've got him out got her outnumbered but that sort of a thing traumatizing a child for the sake of your political beliefs and I worry in those scenarios just cuz I don't trust myself not to fly off with a handle you know because I there is a natural bare Instinct that mothers have oh yeah and it's like stay away from the Cubs stay away from the Cubs so that's I think my only daily consideration I saw um oh is this the clip just him talking about it hard to have lunch at the Four Seasons in Jackson during the winter because there's some private Equity wife who's going to scream at you on your way to the men's room because that world hat meets you he happens to live in Jackson Wyoming so and I go there you know to ski and to fish and I have for a very long time and I always say to him I can't go anymore because I yelled at at lunch over my elk chili or in the lift line or whatever or at the you know Westside Market yeah people can get a little bit crazy yeah um so that's kind of your biggest concern do you um did you see that Trump sign that executive order for the healthcare which one oh the one that he recently signed that was just going yeah I think I think it was like two days ago can you bring that up this was like a about TR yeah price transparency yes I did see this and it's amazing because I've been kind of one of these people that's been beating the drama on the health stuff before it was cool like I was called antiva and whatever irresponsible stupid you're going to kill your kids because polio is going to come back you know all the good things people say on the internet and um it's so great to see that's something that I've been saying publicly I may been saying this since I was 20 since I was VX injured but something that I've saying public since I've had a platform is finally catching and people are starting to ask questions and so I think that that's actually one of the places where the left and the right come together because I say to M like conservatives actually caught on late to the health movement it was actually these leftist moms who were like super granola and crunchy you know I believe that for sure yeah and California moms and they were the ones that were kind of they were behind that Health campaign long before conservatives caught on to it and so and there was no information for parents who didn't want to choose to vess their children and I found RFK Jr who I had disagreements with but um he was the only person that was publishing information on Via his Children's Health defense website and I printed out everything and learned everything kind of from the beginning and so to see this now become like a national movement is so cool it's just about people having rights like you know what I mean like you shouldn't be blindfolded when you go into a hospital you're there for a couple hours and you get a bill that's $2,000 like yeah that Tylenol we gave you that was that was uh $300 like why would I've never taken the F in time Tylenol if I knew it was going to be $300 yeah they're like it was mined from the Tylenol mines in Rome or whatever and you're like that is UN you're lying um this is unbelievable though I mean this is I think this is amazing this is um empowering patients through radical price transparency today president Trump signed an executive order to empower patients with clear accurate and actionable Health Care pricing information uh the order directs the Department of Treasury labor and Health and Human Services to rapidly Implement and enforce the healthcare price transparency regulations um they the Departments will ensure hospitals and insurers disclose actual prices not estimates and take action to make prices comparable across hospitals and yeah I think because the number one cause this is one thing that like during the I've never really been super political but one thing that I did latch on to um over the past few years there's this program called uh power to the patience and Fat Joe like has been a um like an advocate for them we've done some stuff for them Jon Jones uh UFC fighter but it's that yeah when you go to yeah there they are right there when you go to the hospital they can just say agree to pay then you get the bill later and the prices are insane but you have no idea what the prices are they're burglars they're not even wearing fascinators yeah you know what I mean that's what pisses me off the most they're not even wearing fascinators and they're burglers and it's ridiculous because they're usually stealing from the poorest people in America and it's it's so awful it's so awful what's what's been allowed to happen but sometimes when I see these executive orders which by the way I just random side thoughts my brain works like this Fat Joe is not fat anymore he hasn't been fat for a very long time that's true but the price they charged him for it is insane though yeah really crazy he's in good shape now you're right sorry medium Joe medium Joe Yeah medium Jo but he's absolutely right and it's like I said the people that suffer the most and it seems like that is kind of the economic model of America is steal from the poor to further enrich the rich and there's no greater example of that than the healthcare system and it's ridiculous when people say this is an example of capitalism it's not it's the exact opposite of capitalism there cannot be capitalism in free markets where you don't know how much something costs it would be wild and I try to give people this understanding because you've grown up in the system so you think it's normal it's the craziest thing you've ever seen like imagine you come into a store and you're in you're like how much does a shirt cost um can't tell you right now can't tell you right now like you know just pick up the shirt see what you want you know take whatever you want and then we'll bill you and they just make up the prices after you're gone and they're like actually like that one t-shirt it was $20,000 and you're going if I had known it was $20,000 I wouldn't have gotten the T-shirt like you have to be able to actually price shop and say this store is now going to go out of business because it's too expensive and the greatest example of that that you really know it's it's a drug cartel in operation it's it's the Ambitions of um all of the people that they have do documentary series on or not documentary series like create all these Netflix series about the the big drug dealers what's the name of the cartel family Purdue for no in Mexico oh uh but yes to the sackers and but but essentially the El Chapo yeah when you think about El Chapo and who's the guy in Colombia as well I HTE on his wife online one time did you Chapo's wife I it was an accident I mean it wasn't an accident but I thought he was deceased he's not oh so you're probably going to get killed sad I don't know yeah I really like stuff a sad that's feelings go fast these days man but what are you saying that it's very similar Cel 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financial advice trading crypto carries risk and you could lose your investment moonpay is here to facilitate not advise same as self get rid of these insurance companies so that we can just pay for what stuff costs like I'm happy to go into CVS and buy the $15 Tylenol rather than to pay because the insurance companies are gauging prices or ging prices and suddenly it's you know $300 for a p time and then the stress too that's the thing that Bernie Sanders was talking a ton about it's like the stress that people sit there because the number one cause of bankruptcy is medical um debt in America and just the stress that that causes people you know you you've lived your life suddenly you're sick you're get sick anyway cuz you're getting older and now you just are stressed at the price because they send this thing and then the value you put on your own life at that moment and and the constant stress of calling these companies and just this war and um yeah medical debt uh is the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US accounting for 66.5% of all bankruptcies and there's a talk right now of Medicaid being cut right but this if and I'm I'm hoping this is part of their plan that they will enforce this that cuz that's the problem this happened before that Trump made this an order and it wasn't enforced it was when he was leaving office so I'm hoping that this time that this is something that they will enforce and will actually get the prices down and then you won't even need as much Medicaid because the prices will be real you know so I'm hoping it's part of like a simultaneous thing that they're doing well it's good that it's become like the mainstream convers conversation because most people didn't understand it like I said when you grow up in a system you don't know and and the congressman will then do a really go good job of making you fearful like if this happens if we get rid of Medicaid if we get rid of Obamacare whatever it is then you guys are not going to be able to that's it's actually the exact opposite like you get rid of these things and you'll be able to afford it because you're getting rid of all these people that are just taking money from you and stealing from you why do you think it takes like this is one thing I'm noticing about government it's like no matter who's in in office whether it's Republicans Or democrats um it's always the same [ __ ] it nothing ever changes you know it's like you would think at some point they would give you the you know you would get some of these things solved like even with this like why does it take something so long like are both sides just screwing you start to think that just both sides are just screwing us well what we need term limits this is the problem so if you have no incentive if you are going into government and you know that you can stay in government forever then you have to think of government as your employer and you want the company that you work for in the same way that you have a company I have a company to be to to be grow right obviously your job here when you're doing this podcast you're not like well what can I do to make you know the podcast smaller you know and so they are going there and if they had term limits they would be like well in four years if we say four or six years whatever it is I got to go back and be a regular American so my I have no incentive to help grow government I have every incentive to help grow individuals and grow families and make sure that prices are low they're going in with the exact wrong mentality then they get in there and it's like you can actually be here and how old is Nancy Pelosi she's like the Crypt Keeper right think about how old our government is and they've been there forever Biden's been in government forever so their incentive becomes this is my company and I'm going to help grow it and then the lobbyists come to them and they want to stay in office forever they want to grow their Scher that slurp lizard's been in there for freaking forever yes and so that would change overnight their incentives to do to recognize that they're going to spend the majority of their life outside of government would make them go in there and want to make things better for us and that's the problem so I'm I'm a big uh supporter of term limits and there's a problem where people shouldn't be able if they're in government they shouldn't be able to then work for lobbies right after because then they're working for the lobbies um that was one thing lobbying shouldn't beow in my view period it should be just completely outlawed but every American feels that way so why is it like what are we even [ __ ] doing then it feels like because they don't care what we think and that's why Trump referred to it as a swamp right they don't actually care what we think they're once you get them into office their job is to keep themselves into office keep themselves empowered forever and they're just in the business of trying to explain in really dumb terms to the American people like like I said fear-mongering well the reason I had to sign this and it's all buried it's like 3,000 that's why I love Thomas Massi by the way because Thomas Massie will say we just need these bills that we're signing or we one line inste it's like if they even ever agree to do anything for us it's because they've already done 37 million things for themselves in the first 37,000 pages of the document and then the last page it's something for the American people it's crazy why why do bills need to be 300 pages long yeah and lobbyists are writing half of the bills too that's one of the craziest they're writing the bills they're getting the bills passed and we have a bunch of traders in Congress I mean that is just the reality of the circumstances and anybody telling you that it's just Traders on the left or Traders on the right is lying to you it's we have Traders on both sides it's it's very obvious we have Traders on both sides but how do they keep them from just saying hey wouldn't you think some like at least two or three people a year would be like hey this whole thing's a [ __ ] charade like they do Rand Paul uh Ron Paul Rand Thomas so few so few because that's what money is people worship money they don't worship values we have this issue in the media we have this issue in government we have this issue in business you know there is just something about money that just turns everyone into a prostitute and it's sad I mean I've seen it up close I've been um you know there's this expression never meet your idols yeah and I felt that the closer that I got to politics the more I realized how much I hate politics I've always hated politics but you hated extra once you start to meet people and you realize that everyone's in it just to enrich themselves and and so few people will be able to to walk away from riches so to speak to because they actually want to to do something good and those people tend to have something that's so much better than riches which is like their lives are in order they have families they're they're actually happy they don't want more you know so yeah yeah I think that's what dumbfounds me the most and you believe this program you believe it because as like a guess like an American or a citizen of any country you want to believe in the altruistic nature not totally altruistic but at least maybe 75% altruistic nature of people or that people want to do well um yeah I think that's one of the things that's most baffling and then at a certain point does that just have to start to turn because the grossness of wealth it starts you just start to see how sick it is and how sour it is um that's easy for me to say that you know I can pay my mortgage and I have you know know that I can afford food um so maybe that's unfair thing for me to say but I just think there's this overall um kind of theory there or feeling there so what do you think is going to be different about Trump in office this time like I mean I think it's if they enforce this thing um that's going to be amazing I'm curious to see if they will um but what do you think is going to be different about him in office this time look where there's going to be great stuff and there's going to be bad stuff there's no question in my mind you know that Trump is is less beholden to the state and that was why the state fought so hard to keep him out and I always pay attention to those people because I I have a almost reverse relationship with the media when someone's being super attacked and the entire mainstream media hates them I usually uh assume that there's some modum of Truth there there's something that they're fighting for that makes them hate them so much and that's like how I came across Thomas Massie and um I would say with Trump he he is definitely a person that does not love war and so the military-industrial complex and he's definitely a person who looks at things like a businessman which is just Why would you want to have all of this money going out of your company so to speak if you treat your country like a company and and it makes entirely no sense you don't even know where it's going going to obscure causes like why are we funding like Pakistani LGBT rights like weird when you take a look at it and so it's cool to see him instantly attack that and that they're autom Al I mean like when they went through you said it's just amazing to see that so I think in terms of the economy we are going to instantly kind of bounce back and people are you can already feel it now people are aren't holding their money as much I think there was there was a to me I felt and I don't know if I'm biased because I'm conservative but there was a kind of a darkness and a fear when Biden was president and it wasn't because Biden was President it was because we knew Biden wasn't president it's not quite quite a strange yeah that's like the scariest part like it wasn't because he was President it was because he wasn't president so it's like who who was running the country I agree I can't believe that every day there wasn't a newspaper article from every company that was like Hey There is a man who is obviously being commandeered right um who is a puppet because he is not mentally well it's not even a knock on him the guy's not well right it's like if somebody did that to my grand grandfather or father I've said that forever you know and you know it's embarrassing yeah [ __ ] embarrassing it's embarrassing to the rest of the world it's like people can tell the guy's not Welling they put him on the bike for 40t or whatever and it was like who put him on the bike falls over the guy well it's just like you can't put that guy on a bike dude it was elder abuse it is that's what it felt like to me it felt like elder abuse and it felt like a horrible way also for the world to see us like oh this is what they think of their Elders right and that kind of hit you in a place where like man it's just gross like people took advantage of this guy I'm amazed that his wife didn't speak up um maybe that his son that his children didn't speak up but also I don't know what their lives are like I don't really know or and maybe he wanted to not there may have been a big part of him that he did was able to speak well and communicate and said I I don't I want to keep going you know um but uh what what do you like I'm kind of conflicted about Trump like with his um stance on Gaza right to me that's like I totally disagree with him on it and I and it's like it's hard to reconcile it in in many ways it's hard to reconcile because I see so much hypocrisy in terms of when we say America First for whatever reason and we have this magic carb out and you cannot pretend that that's not because APAC spends $100 million an our election and this gets back to what we're talking about whether it's big Pharma whether it's Israel everyone's for sale in DC and so I have been very disappointed with Trump on his perspectives about Gaza I have been disappointed by the way he's the last person I'm disappointed with because I've been disappointed as we saw all last year with the conserv conservatives people that say they're Christians who are condoning this on the basis of what like you're saying oh well they're Muslims so who cares and that gets into our programming which I've spoken about in my podcast of this 9/11 programming where we just don't see Muslims as like human life and to you know to to me to speak about Gaza and and talking about casinos and hotels and these people just lost their entire families it's it's so far removed from humanity and I think it's wrong and I'm and I'm tired of America being used as Israel's piggy back you know for whatever reason everyone can critique every other country for taking money from us and then there's just everyone's blind when it comes to Israel and obviously I paid a very heavy price for saying that last year but I don't care because I've I am truly someone whose values have never been up for sale like I don't care I I will burn everything to the ground and rebuild it I have to be able to like sleep at night and to see those Palestinian children and the images are seared into my brain the screaming the crying the bleeding the stuff that we saw on X for the first time largely thanks to Elon freeing the bird and really realizing how much we had been lied to about what was happening in that region I I I just it was very easy for me to say take whatever you have to take from me I just I have to be on like the human side of things I think it's become both sides of the aisle now just see that yeah human people just feel like this is just that it's just wrong of course what's happened is wrong like probably a year ago people were afraid to even say that and now it is what everybody is saying like even Piers Morgan is saying it on his show now like people are saying it's obvious that you can't go and annihilate and genocide this culture and dis make them disappear and then Trump to come on top of it and say they're going to build who's going you're going to go on a lazy river where there's bodies of like who could even go to that and what's so crazy is the like the mainstream media thinking that we're so stupid that they're going to condition us to believe that to not support the ethnic cleansing they're then going to mine our like preconditioned beliefs about the Holocaust and be like oh well you know a Jewish person died so if you don't agree with what we're doing over here then you're a person that wants more Jewish people to die it's like this is an evil way to try to social socially engineer what you want because actually it's precisely because of what I learned growing up about Holocaust and ethnic cleansing said I do not support what the state of Israel is doing and you're trying to convince me that it means that if anybody's been wronged in the past they can't wrong people in the future you're also wrongly conflating like a Jewish American why you have nothing to do with what's going on Israel this is a foreign country you know no no more than if right now we were standing up to a genocide that was happening in Ghana and then when I'm going to be like oh well if you don't support what you know the the the president of Ghana wants to do then you want American slavery back I'm like it's like what what are you talking about just because I'm black and like maybe my family is from Ghana why on Earth would would I not be able to critique a foreign country for something that there're doing that is so objectively wrong and so it's disappointed me as someone who just had so much respect and belief in the conservative movement and believing that it was a principled movement and Christians as well I've been very disappointed in Christians who are using trying to use this like biblical argument for just well no matter what you know are people doing that yeah it's pretty sick man it's PR it is very sick they're basically saying that the Bible you know the Bible will bless those who bless Israel and I'm like okay so we have a country who first and foremost doesn't have to give us back our pedophiles literally if you there's they have this weird rule that you can go if Jewish and hide as a pedophile and actually an amazing Jewish organization did the work there you could pull it up um uh I think it was on CBS it was I forgot what the name of the Jewish organization but they followed went to Israel was like why are we harboring pedophiles so the way there was a Jewish organization that they had pedophiles no they they were not the pedophiles they they did the investigation to show how people are using how like people who have molested children in America if they're Jewish they can then make their trip to Israel and be protected by the government and Israel doesn't have to bring like they literally don't have to yeah um exposing CBS News That's second one how je American you will not find a single person who says that that's wrong hide from Justice in Israel but can't they hide can't can't most people say if you are so these are people that are Israeli citizens no they can then become Israeli CIT they're American right so they if they just hop if they're being in like on a trial you get to Israel they'll protect you and so they went and went to where all these you know pedophiles are and spoke a lot about you know this this or I can't remember the name of the organization but they did amazing work there Jewish Community Watch that's what it is and so that's what I mean where it's like there's also this wrong conflation that annoys me as well because you have Jewish organizations who will objectively say this is wrong they recognize they are Americans they don't support pedophiles and yet the mainstream media is trying to conflate them and make them think that they have to defend the actions of this state and yeah if you even talk about this so say it's anti-semitic I talk about this what are you talking about you're taking billions that's the difference here this is a country that is taking billions and billions and billions that's American welfare state you know and CBS jumped on it a CBS News investigation has found that many accused American pedophiles flee to Israel and bring them to and bringing them Justice can be difficult okay has been trying for years to find car bring to justice so Jimmy Caro uh he's a wanted man and is considered dangerous accused of assaulting a nine-year-old girl in Oregon in 2000 he fled to Israel before authorities in the US could apprehend him but is this just one guy no no so this is a story about how they are doing this it's the main story is like that they were investigating is that there's so many people that did this why do they allow it because they have special consideration and they are not allowed they don't have to give us back our pedophiles I don't know I don't I never understand these random Israeli loopholes uh and it's it's ridiculous and the fact that they can just call people anti-semitic like like a sweeping allegation how dare you notice that this is happening over here you're you anti-semite and it's like you we have every right to critique this nation because you take money from us especially right that means when we go to work and taxes are being taken away we're paying to support this and we're being gas slipped by the media who's telling us that critiquing them in any way is an act of hatred for Jews which is just such a nonsense oh I think I don't like that n and Yahoo guy man that guy seems like an evil guy to me and I think he's seemed like that to most people now because of um I mean mostly I think it's just like nobody wants war or anything and we're lucky to live in a place where you know like Tennessee is not at war with um uh with Kentucky so there's not like the risk every day or night of things flying over you know the fence um but I've thought that that America is a um kind of like a shell company sit but maybe it's always just been that way like that's the thing like maybe it's always been that way maybe it isn't I just would like to know what it is right so then it's like you can operate within the reality of things because but then also so people say that like well why do you think there's such a strong relationship between the two countries then blackmail I think blackmail and I think this is the reason why we don't get to open the Epstein files we don't get to open the JFK files and I think it's a form of gaslighting us to pretend that our special friend and Ally isn't just a I mean and by the way parking aside America other countries too you investigate anything I mean I'm I'm investigating bjit mcon and Israeli blackmail comes up in Morocco Israeli blackmail comes up in so to pretend that we don't know that Israel is involved in blackmail operations is foolish and I think all countries are probably involved in them they and I think that they have been like the they have gotten it down to a science and there's no question in my mind that like sexual blackmail is what Jeffrey Epstein was involved in and I don't know if that means these you know people don't know when they go to these parties that the girls are underage and then it's like haha we've got you on tape whatever it is and we can even taking a look at the Diddy case you know blackmail these little black these blackmail powerful blackmail operations are definitely operating and and that's actual blackmail too true blackmail I mean if you have hidden cameras and you're capturing people doing drugs and sleeping with underage people so I think it's these are these are blackmail operations and I think they've been going on for decades in America I think it was Jeffrey Sachs who spoke really well about that the history of that on Tucker Carlson's show and he's Jewish and that's what I hate about it it's trying to make Jewish Americans think that they have to defend the country is so ridiculous I I am not required to if my family goes back to Uganda I'm not required to defend Uganda as a state I'm sorry I'm an American and I think what you're doing is wrong if it doesn't doesn't really matter you know and you're right to say that it's sort of this circumstance where everybody knows something is going on and they think they're just going to keep gaslighting us it's so weird like they're just going to go nothing's going on nothing there's just every day some everybody woke up one day and decided to be Hitler like that's what the media is basically accusing us of for like noticing a lot of dead people like a lot of dead women and children and that's failing and by the way I think that is the reason I don't I don't regret them doing that because it's the reason why podcasts like the mainstream media you know this like effort to just keep smear and libling people for noticing basic human things and I don't regret it because I think it's the reason that trust with them has been fractured I'm grateful that people no longer believe them I'm grateful that now people are going to Independent podcasts and when we go on to Spotify you see like sucker Carlson Candace Owens that means that for holding on to just like basic human values and being willing to talk about issues away and not pretend that your audiences are stupid and not seeing what you're we've we've earned their trust you know and I don't want to I don't want to Fumble that ball like I want to always say even if I don't know something and sometimes I don't I can't speak on it that I don't know everything but I'm willing to find out before I speak on it or at least have the conversation and not treat you like you're an idiot and I'm like the authority yeah I just can't learn at a fast rate that's one of my biggest issues I think speaking about Epstein right how do you um how do you know he's not just a Jewish guy who is doing who was being perverted or whatever and that he was doing business like there's no real connection that he works for Israel though well he had passports yeah so and then it's also his ties to galain Maxwell gain's uh Father Robert Maxwell the hom Assad attended his funeral he died in very weird circumstances it I don't think even people who are pro zionists would deny that he was obvious viously Israeli American intelligence and um he had weird passports I mean they he had like a Saudi Arabian passport and Israeli passport and American passport oh he's perving then and yeah and under different names by the way he had working passports of these different countries with different names you can't just get that you know what I mean you can't just get uh these passports without being connected to the intelligence services and it was never made clear why he was so rich so who was giving him all that money was this like Black Ops our tax dollars going to give him this illusion of wealth and power so that he would party with all these billionaires and yes you're right blackmail operations happen all across the world I think America in terms of just how America's been seized uh that would that's the only explanation for how Israel is able to expand with such a small population and like you know uh you somebody has to be fighting their Wars somebody has to be funding them we're funding them so I think we we've just become like the piggy bank to them but what do we what but but if that's the case what is the cross relationship because yeah I mean I think the Middle East is historically a place that's not super chill you know so that's probably what a lot of people would say is like oh well you need an ally there right which is so stupid I hate when people just say stuff like one of my things that I me it's a strong Theory though but it's not it's just people just say things that are said all the time why the hell do we have any business in the Middle East at all like why are you just trying to tell me that like I need an ally in the I actually don't I I don't I don't like why are we involved constantly in Middle East drama again this is one of the things that we've just been programmed since childhood to think that like we need to be cons why are we in Afghanistan okay let's say they actually let's say the Taliban is terribly corrupt and they're making women where that's I would like to mind my business you know what I mean and so there's this idea of International expansionism International liberalism everybody must think like us live like us really like I'm good if they don't actually I'm cool if like Russia wants to decide how Russia lives and if yeah I agree with that Pakistan wants to decide how Pakistan lives and the [ __ ] why are we so nosy I I actually just you know we're like nextd door neighbors never once have I thought about how you live I've never like when I got your I was like no I've never thought well I really think that the morals in my house are so good that I just need to go next door and force theovon to live like I live and this is what time I wake up I wake up at 5:30 and he should get up at 5:30 and he should organize you know the clothes like I just don't I I kind of like to mind my business like a little bit if that's possible if America could employ that foreign policy for a bit it' be great I agree with that that's how exact how I feel but I do think that we're so [ __ ] in the Middle East because we've started so much you know we've been just as bad as any other country as about causing trouble in places you know and for whose benefit who benefited from that all of the stuff we did in the Middle East who's benefited from that the answer is Israel okay we have not America has not benefited from any of these wars why did we just have all of these daughters and sons dying in the Middle East so is America safer country our borders are wide open are we a cleaner country than before we got into these wars are we like do you remember the Glory Days were you alive in the 90s things were so chill in the 90s I feel like I always go back to that I'm like I swear I'm in ' 90s everybody was chill we're happy we're wearing overalls we were saving up money for Disney in like those big Poland Spring bottles like at least I was we were in my house and then I just feel like September 11th happened and we just could not stop being involved in stuff and we were told that it was cuz it was going to make us safer and it didn't make us safer all I know I don't feel safer when I have to just like strip dance at every airport we used to not have to do that as an just get on the plan unbelievable and they never found anybody with a shoe bomb it was just this illusion of Middle Eastern terrorism that made us give up all of our rights things used to be cleaner the streets used to be cleaner there was an America before we decided to get involved in everybody's business but you can't blame that all on Israel though I don't think well I'm saying that our I'm talking now about our Middle Eastern policy right well yeah I think we've created so much Carnage over there that now you have children who hate America you have places that hate America and the sad part I agree with you on is that yeah the human regular American people are the ones that have to sign up for the military because they uh either it's tradition in their family or they want to support their country or they don't have a choice because they're going to have to go to jail different reasons but they're the ones who have to actually go and and die and be the Pawns of these sick governments right and I do think or these strategic governments like that's the thing I don't know sometimes if things if the if the governments are if some of the international politics I don't have a an understanding of international politics I mean I have ways that I feel but I don't have a strong information well but I do think that um it's sad that it's the it's the the the the regular just voter that has to go and put their life on the line right it's the very same people that the mainstream media calls racist IST homophobic and anti-semitic and then the price you get to pay for that is that you get to sign up and fight the war so that those little elitists can write their articles about you like I I literally said no one should sign up like when we under the Biden regime I'm like I would never send my kids to fight in a war for a foreign Nation when this is the condition of ours the whole idea of signing up for the military is supposed to be defending the Homeland okay now we're defending Ukraine's borders and they're again using the same weird argument that whole Ukraine thing is unbelievable it's a laundry mat look into it historically is a puppet you know that's being and the use of that was we were running money through Ukraine they can't account for the billions of dollars that we sent to Ukraine it's getting it's a laundry mat and it's just being sent back to the same Elites while the American people suffer now that part I totally agree I I mean we can't we can't account for any I mean no but it's a laundry M this is money laundering and this is what I mean when I say it feels like that for sure like you just don't really know what's going on and they shame you we can't trust our but who shames you the mainstream media for not supporting it you know and and that shame you they call you isolationist you don't want to get involved in Ukraine you're an isolationist I'm like dope love it can I get it on a t-shirt isolationist you're you don't you don't want big farmer to have more power you're an anti cool anti whatever you need to call me put it on a T-shirt and that's what I hope that people get from me when they watch my podcast and people know that this is just High School name calling okay a bunch of dweebs are down in DC people that you would have probably never even freaking hung out with okay and they're telling you how you're going to live and how you're going to work for them stuff they would never have the courage to do you love the war so much neocons the conservative side put your kids in the war you love it so much you love Israel so go fight for Israel dude there's no rules here pick up and go right the pedophiles can go I'm sure you can go and it's not that instead they pedophil should have to get out there on the front lines I think that's a perfect solution that I would get behind all of them every single one of them and so yeah that would be great put them all in helmets and I'm just so sick of people who live hel like no helmets no helmets I'm going to say that I love that and so I'm just so sick of people and then they look down and who are the first to sign up oh the good old boys people down here in Tennessee Alabama right and they hate you they hate you the most right they hate a white American straight male is like the number one person that they want to just like annihilate like every every sense of Amer well I felt yeah I mean I will say that I definitely felt like um yeah I I felt like during like the past eight or 10 years of uh mainstream media yeah like you were the one that got picked uh picked out uh picked on like people where I was from were the ones that kind of felt like got picked on uh by late night host you know you were the only person that was left to make fun of was uh white men right it was the only person so it was just like all your fault I hated that [ __ ] you know because I don't even identify with a lot of like your redneck or your maggots like I don't identify with any of it's like don't tell me who I am also like I didn't like that [ __ ] but yeah but that that should they should be angry about that so you you realize this is it's those people that are writing the articles that hate you who will be the first one to tell you to sign up to go fight the wars that enriches them it's a nonsense like who cares call call someone a redneck can I get on a t-shirt like who cares stop this cycle of abuse and they're and that's always what they try to do is they try to well you're ignorant I sip my uh is it chai chai latte in New York City I've never I I know nothing they these people who lecture you about the environment and lecture you about you know what we're so educated we write these articles about like green new whatever it is have never been in the environment man like they're Ling like a concrete jungle they would die they would literally die if electricity went out for longer than a week okay they don't know how to they make fun of people
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