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The New Reality of Political Violence Against Families
The conversation begins with a stark acknowledgment of how political discourse has descended into tactics designed to make public figures feel unsafe. Candace Owens describes the escalating nature of modern political attacks, particularly when adversaries post addresses and location details of people with children. For Owens, the turning point came when she changed her perspective on Israel and Gaza, resulting in what she calls "the New York Post treatment" and coordinated attacks aimed not at debating her views, but at destroying her.
Hunter Biden shares his own harrowing experience with this phenomenon, tracing its origins to Donald Trump's rally chants of "Where's Hunter?" What began as call-and-response crowds evolved into merchandise—t-shirts, hats, and mugs—before culminating in protesters with bullhorns and MAGA hats showing up at his door. The situation escalated dangerously when the New York Post published an aerial view of his home with his address on the front page, including details about floor-to-ceiling windows and the best vantage points for viewing inside.
Biden recounts how his wife Melissa, six months pregnant at the time, was alone when protesters arrived. She fled in her car, but they followed her, eventually running her off the road and surrounding her vehicle. This wasn't political discourse—it was intimidation through violence.
The Security Breach and Tim Pool's Declaration of War
Owens reveals a disturbing pattern where information about her home security became public knowledge. She describes learning before sitting down for this conversation that people knew where she lived, what security she had or didn't have, and the perimeter details of her property. The question she poses is chilling: How is it remotely safe that strangers possess this information about someone who simply spoke their truth?
The situation reached a critical point when Tim Pool, during what Owens describes as an impassioned rant about her position on Israel, detailed her address, who lives there, and the level of security she maintains. Owens is unequivocal about Pool's intent: "It was so obvious what he was doing... it's a declaration of war."
She emphasizes that Pool knew she homeschools her children, making the revelation of security details particularly sinister. "There is zero reason that you would be describing the perimeter of my house outside of wanting someone to get harmed," Owens states. Her response is equally direct: "We will shoot you. I will shoot you and I will kill you and I will happily go to prison before you have one opportunity to even make me think about whether you're going to hurt my kids."
Unlike Tucker Carlson's "happy warrior demeanor" when accosted in public, Owens makes clear she will respond with lethal force to protect her family. "I will smile in my mugshot, okay? Because I did the right thing and I have no qualms about that."
The Purpose Behind the Intimidation
Biden identifies the core strategy behind these tactics: making targets afraid not for themselves, but for their families and the people around them. Even if the chance of actual violence is small, the psychological impact is substantial. The goal is to weaponize fear.
Both Owens and Biden acknowledge they're now constantly talking about violence—defensive violence, but violence nonetheless. When they raise these concerns, they face gaslighting accusations that they're overreacting, that they're wealthy enough to protect themselves. Biden's response cuts through that deflection: "Did you see what just happened to my best friend?"
The Charlie Kirk Assassination and the Unanswered Questions
The conversation turns to what both describe as the Charlie Kirk assassination, an event that fundamentally changed their perspective on the political establishment. Owens notes that Kirk had a full security apparatus, yet was still killed under circumstances that remain murky. "We still don't know what happened to Charlie Kirk," she states flatly.
What troubles Owens most is the complete lack of interest from the very people Kirk worked tirelessly to elect. She describes Donald Trump Jr. as "like a brother to Charlie literally like a brother to him." She recounts how Kirk pushed for Kash Patel to lead the FBI, had him on his podcast, and worked around the clock to elevate JD Vance when he "came out of nowhere."
Despite this history, Trump, his sons, Patel, Vance, and others have shown "zero interest in the obvious holes in the story." Even if those holes eventually get filled with a coherent narrative—which Owens puts at "0% chance"—the fact that Kirk's supposed friends aren't demanding answers is damning.
The gaslighting element particularly infuriates Owens: people noticing that none of the official narrative makes sense are labeled as crazy, while everyone else is expected to "turn the chapter a week later" and accept that "it's all solved" despite nothing making sense.
The End of Left Versus Right
For Owens, the Kirk assassination removed the scales from her eyes regarding partisan politics. "I'm just done with politics," she declares. "I've stopped with this left versus right, Democrat versus Republic. I'm like, this is sheer evil versus good. This is like sheer evil."
Biden emphatically agrees: "It is good versus evil." He describes how powerful interests have "torn the mask off" and reveals his hope that by the end of this situation, Owens will consider him a friend. His reasoning is darkly pragmatic: "If anything ever happened to me, I want you and Melissa to team up" to get to the bottom of it, unlike what's happening with Charlie Kirk.
The criticism Owens faced for asking questions about Kirk's death particularly galls Biden: "You're coming from someone who you've attacked and you've politically had all of your criticism, which I have no problem with and we disagree on so many things, but I listen to you and I go, 'Right on.'"
Protecting the Donors and the Epstein Connection
Biden draws a direct line between Trump's refusal to release all the Epstein files and the people standing behind him at his inauguration. "All you got to do is literally look at a picture of Trump standing on at his stage at his inauguration and look behind him," Biden suggests, implying that "every single person" visible has a vested interest in keeping those files sealed.
He believes Trump is "protecting his donors without question," referencing figures in Trump's orbit with potential Epstein connections. The pattern reveals what Biden calls "a really horrible group of people that are pulling strings that impact us all."
These powerful interests manipulate the public into believing that disagreements over tax policy or social issues make ordinary citizens "sworn enemies"—not just political opponents, but people who "deserve violence."
A Divided Audience Waking Up
Owens notes that her audience is now split, though she hasn't changed her positions. "I haven't changed my position on abortion. I'm Catholic," she states. She believes her audience is simply "hearing me for the first time" now that they're looking beyond partisan narratives.
She identifies the Kirk assassination as the moment when people on both sides "just sort of looked up... at the machine and was like wait a second what is this?" The expectation was that Trump would be "ride or die" for Kirk, that Kash Patel would ensure the investigation was handled properly "because the entire political apparatus that has the power in the Department of Justice is in the hands of Charlie Kirk's friends."
Instead, they got silence and obfuscation from "the people that Charlie Kirk made." As Owens emphasizes, Kirk "led a youth revolution to get these people elected in power. He was ride or die."
Disloyalty or Fear?
Biden and Owens debate whether what they're witnessing is pure disloyalty or disloyalty guided by fear. Regardless of the motivation, Biden is clear: "It's disloyalty. It's disturbing."
Owens goes further: "I cannot forgive Trump, the Trump family, what they have done or what they have not done for Charlie." She fully embraces being called a conspiracy theorist, noting that such labels have become meaningless shame tactics. "You'd be a fool to believe the stuff that they're telling us today, the stories they're telling us."
An Unlikely Alliance and a Productive Awakening
Despite acknowledging that Kirk "was so Republican, conservative," both Owens and Biden believe his assassination "has brought people together in a productive way." Biden sees their conversation as emblematic of a broader shift: "I'm like let's put the past, you know, not behind us. Like I'll explain anything you want. I'll talk about anything that you want to talk about that you still have questions about or that anybody is but like this isn't right."
What they're witnessing—the corruption, the obfuscation surrounding Butler, Charlie Kirk, and other incidents—"is not right." More than that, "it's so glaringly not right. It's almost as if they're just saying f you."
The message from the political establishment to ordinary Americans, according to both Owens and Biden, is one of contempt. They're not even trying to hide it anymore.
Video Transcript
[00:00] I do think there was something about the
[00:01] Charlie Kirk assassination that everyone
[00:03] just sort of looked up.
[00:04] >> These are the people that Charlie Kirk
[00:06] made.
[00:06] >> He was ride or die to
[00:08] >> the level of disloyalty.
[00:10] >> Mhm.
[00:10] >> Or fear. I don't know what it is.
[00:11] >> How it's getting dirtier. The games
[00:14] people are playing are dirtier. And it
[00:15] is about wanting you to feel unsafe. And
[00:18] I think that is something that is so new
[00:21] when you have people posting your
[00:22] address, posting where you are, knowing
[00:24] that you have children. And yeah, I I
[00:28] really do. And it is over perspective.
[00:30] Like for me, it was me changing my mind
[00:31] on Israel and suddenly I'm getting the
[00:34] New York Post treatment and uh I'm
[00:36] getting all these people coming after me
[00:37] and I'm going, "This is my perspective.
[00:40] You're welcome to try to debate me on
[00:41] why I feel the way I feel about what is
[00:43] cuz I have two eyes about what's
[00:44] happening in Gaza." But to do these
[00:46] tactics where you're trying to destroy
[00:48] people uh is that feels very very new to
[00:52] me.
[00:52] >> Yeah. And that that let's be not let's
[00:56] be honest. I hate that phrase. Okay. I
[00:58] got it from my perspective is this. I
[01:00] know where that started. And that
[01:01] started when uh uh Donald Trump from
[01:06] rally stages started the where's hunter
[01:10] or yell where's hunter call and response
[01:13] crowds and then they printed t-shirts
[01:15] and then they made hats and then they
[01:17] made mugs. Where's Hunter?
[01:20] And then they showed at my door. I
[01:22] didn't have any security. I didn't have
[01:23] anybody. I can't afford uh that in in my
[01:26] life particularly at that time. and they
[01:28] literally showed up on my door with with
[01:30] bullhorns and mega hats and uh on the
[01:33] the direct and the the way that they got
[01:36] there is the New York Post published on
[01:40] the front page on its cover an aerial
[01:43] view of my home with the address and
[01:46] then in the thing said and you could if
[01:48] you stand here at this uh you know on
[01:50] this part of the street you can see and
[01:52] there are floor to ceiling windows and
[01:54] you know and so they they showed up.
[01:57] Wow.
[01:58] >> And Melissa was what, six months
[02:01] pregnant at the time, you know, she got
[02:03] in the car because she was alone at the
[02:05] time and and and
[02:07] sped off and they followed her and they
[02:09] ran her off the road. You know, she
[02:11] panicked and then, you know, she got and
[02:14] they did it again and they surrounded
[02:16] her and
[02:18] that's new, man.
[02:20] >> That is new. And and like similarly to
[02:23] you is it like before I sat down I heard
[02:27] where you live, what your the level of
[02:30] security that you have or didn't have
[02:32] and you know what your perimeter of your
[02:34] property is like. How the hell do I know
[02:37] that? And how is that even remotely
[02:40] safe? How? because you have people who
[02:44] now you're um you basically spoke your
[02:47] truth and they decided that you cannot
[02:49] exist and so therefore I don't know if
[02:51] it's going to happen but for some reason
[02:53] I think it's appropriate for me to say
[02:55] uh tell you what what Candace's address
[02:58] is
[02:59] >> who lives there and the level of
[03:00] security she
[03:01] >> Tim doing that was one of it was so
[03:03] obvious what he was doing
[03:04] >> my dad said to me is I have to stop
[03:06] saying the f- word
[03:08] >> but it was no like seriously that to me
[03:11] was like it's it's a declaration of war.
[03:13] Like they know I homeschool my kids.
[03:15] They know and he's describing the
[03:16] security apparatus and he's doing it in
[03:18] this rant trying to be impassionate
[03:19] about the fact that I don't support
[03:20] Israel or I don't support whatever his
[03:22] whatever his motivation was.
[03:24] >> There is zero reason that you would be
[03:26] describing the perimeter of my house
[03:27] outside of wanting someone to get
[03:29] harmed. And like I first first of all
[03:31] like I'm not like Tucker Carlson and I
[03:34] say people all the time. That's why I
[03:36] get so worried because when Tucker gets
[03:38] accosted in public, he just has this
[03:40] like total happy warrior demeanor. I
[03:43] will call someone's eyes out for my
[03:44] kids. Like I like I am not the property
[03:46] to try. We will shoot you. Like I I will
[03:47] shoot you and I will kill you and I will
[03:49] happily go to prison before you have one
[03:51] opportunity to even make me I'm not even
[03:53] going to think about whether you're
[03:53] going to hurt my kids.
[03:54] >> You sound exactly like
[03:55] >> and that's just that's me. That's just
[03:56] me. And I've said it over and over on my
[03:58] podcast. I will I will smile in my mugsh
[04:01] shot, okay? Because I did the right
[04:03] thing and I have no qualms about that.
[04:04] So when he did that, I I was like,
[04:06] "Okay, this little beanie boy, okay,
[04:08] little beanie boy, I see exactly what
[04:10] you're doing. The whole world sees what
[04:11] you're doing, and you are doing
[04:13] something that you because you want my
[04:14] children to get harmed." And then if
[04:16] something happens to them, you're going
[04:16] to go, "Well, I don't know how that
[04:18] happened." As I was describing the
[04:19] perimeter of her home and talking about
[04:21] what her security is, um, which was
[04:23] inaccurate,
[04:24] >> Candace, but that's but that's what like
[04:26] what are we even talking about? That's
[04:28] exactly why they do it
[04:29] >> is that even if the chance is this
[04:31] small.
[04:32] >> The reason that they do it is exactly
[04:34] that is to is to make you really afraid.
[04:38] Not for yourself, for your four kids.
[04:41] >> Mhm.
[04:42] >> For your family, for the people that
[04:44] work around you. It's like I and by the
[04:47] way I'll tell you is that I have the
[04:50] same approach that I think Tucker has to
[04:52] it which is and I don't know it is which
[04:55] is basically like I can handle like I
[04:58] can diffuse the situation I can do it
[05:00] Melissa he will kill you.
[05:02] >> Yeah I'll kill you and I'll ask
[05:04] questions later. and she did exactly the
[05:06] same. And I you know what really worries
[05:07] me is that
[05:10] is that is all of a sudden
[05:15] we're we're we're all talking about
[05:17] violence.
[05:18] >> Mhm.
[05:19] >> Like you're talking about violence.
[05:21] Violence is defense, but now you're
[05:23] talking about the violence. And then
[05:24] they kind of like go, "Oh, you're
[05:26] gaslighting us. This is You
[05:28] don't you you're fine. You really rich
[05:30] and you this and that. You can take care
[05:32] of yourself." It's like Did
[05:34] you see what just happened to my best
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[06:42] Yeah, look. I mean, we just watched
[06:44] Charlie get and he had a full security
[06:46] apparatus. We still don't know what
[06:48] happened to Charlie Kirk. Um there's
[06:50] zero interest. That's another thing that
[06:52] just completely for me was like done
[06:54] with Trump whatso like I mean there's
[06:56] there's just no way for someone who came
[06:58] from the inside and watched the work
[07:01] that Charlie did to get these people
[07:02] elected. Don Jr. was like a brother to
[07:04] Charlie literally like a brother to him.
[07:06] >> Um and to see the Trump brothers to see
[07:10] Donald Trump himself Cash Patel who
[07:13] Charlie pushed for him to lead the FBI
[07:15] had him on his podcast. JD Vance like
[07:18] you know came out of nowhere. Charlie
[07:20] was like not sleeping to make that
[07:22] happen. And to see all of these people
[07:24] have zero interest in the obvious holes
[07:27] in the story, even if ultimately the
[07:30] holes get filled and there's a picture
[07:32] that makes sense, which I put that at 0%
[07:35] chance. But let's just, you know, the
[07:36] fact that they have zero interest and
[07:38] they're just accepting the narrative.
[07:41] Like what this has done to me, and I've
[07:42] said this, I'm just done with politics.
[07:44] I'm just done with politics because I
[07:46] can't even begin to comprehend it. And
[07:49] again, that element of gaslighting
[07:51] that's happening here where they're
[07:52] pretending that the people who are
[07:55] noticing that none of this is making
[07:56] sense are the crazy ones. And everyone
[07:58] else who's like, "No, turn the chapter a
[08:00] week later, it's all solved." Uh, and
[08:02] this is how it went down and and none of
[08:04] it makes sense, but just accept this
[08:06] slop. It It is the most infuriating
[08:09] thing. And it's it's just fully removed
[08:10] the scales in my eyes. And I've stopped
[08:11] with this left versus right, Democrat
[08:13] versus Republic. I'm like, this is sheer
[08:15] evil versus good. This is like sheer
[08:19] evil.
[08:20] >> By the way, for real. Exactly.
[08:21] >> Like
[08:22] >> Exactly. It It is It is good versus
[08:26] evil.
[08:26] >> Yeah.
[08:27] >> It the they they have torn the mask off
[08:31] of this. I said to you before is that I
[08:34] pray to God that by the end of this that
[08:37] you you think of me as a friend because
[08:39] if anything ever happened to me, I want
[08:41] you you and Melissa team up. You f like
[08:45] oh my god.
[08:46] >> The bottom of it. not happening with
[08:47] Charlie
[08:47] >> Kirk and the criticism of you for asking
[08:49] the questions for someone who was like a
[08:52] brother to you. It's like, what the f
[08:55] are you talking about?
[08:56] >> Yeah, that that's the talking about. How
[08:58] dare you?
[08:59] >> You're coming from someone who you've
[09:01] attacked and you've and and politically
[09:04] you've, you know, had all of your
[09:06] criticism, which I have no problem with
[09:08] and we disagree on so many things, but I
[09:11] listen to you and I go, "Right on."
[09:14] Like, Epstein, like, you want to figure
[09:17] out why they don't want to let the the
[09:19] the release all the Epstein files? All
[09:22] you got to do is literally look at a
[09:23] picture of Trump standing on at his
[09:25] stage at his inauguration and look
[09:27] behind him.
[09:28] >> Yeah.
[09:29] >> I mean it's like every single person
[09:31] >> he's protecting his donors without
[09:33] question.
[09:33] >> I mean it's crazy like Paulo and Poli
[09:36] and this and that and the other thing
[09:38] and all of these things. It's like,
[09:39] okay. And by the way, I like anyway, my
[09:44] point is is Yeah. is like when is it
[09:46] when are people going to kind of wake up
[09:49] to the fact and it's not left or right.
[09:52] This is a really really horrible group
[09:55] of people that are pulling strings
[09:59] >> that um uh that impact us all and they
[10:02] make us think that because you and I
[10:05] disagree on um you know the the
[10:08] graduated tax rate
[10:11] or some social issue is that we are
[10:14] sworn enemies. Mhm.
[10:16] >> Not I mean not just you know like sworn
[10:19] enemies that I deserve violence
[10:22] >> and I and I could see them and it does
[10:24] seem like both sides have woken up
[10:25] without question. My audience is now
[10:27] split and I still say what I believe. I
[10:29] haven't changed my position on abortion.
[10:30] I'm Catholic. I have you know there's
[10:32] nothing that has changed. I think
[10:33] they're just hearing me for the first
[10:35] time. And I I do think there was
[10:36] something about the Charlie Kirk
[10:37] assassination that everyone just sort of
[10:40] looked up you know we just sort of all
[10:42] looked up at the machine and was like
[10:43] wait a second what is this? Because they
[10:46] expected Trump to be ride or die. They
[10:48] expected cash. I mean, wow. This is
[10:50] going to be solved in in the clearest
[10:51] way possible because the entire
[10:53] political apparatus that has the power
[10:54] in the Department of Justice is in the
[10:56] hands of Charlie Kirk's friends. Like
[10:57] that was how I felt, right? This is it.
[10:59] No, whoever did this is never going to
[11:01] get away with it because these are
[11:02] Charlie's friends. And what did we get?
[11:04] >> These friends, they're the people that
[11:06] Charlie Kirk made.
[11:07] >> Charlie Kirk made these people. That's
[11:08] exactly right. Led a youth revolution to
[11:11] to get these people elected in power. He
[11:13] was ride or die to
[11:15] >> the level of disloyalty
[11:17] >> or fear. I don't know what it is.
[11:19] >> Disloyalty
[11:20] >> is
[11:21] >> disloyalty maybe guided by fear. But
[11:22] it's disloyalty. It's disturbing. And I
[11:24] I I cannot I can not forgive Trump, the
[11:28] Trump family. Uh what they have done or
[11:32] what they have not done for Charlie.
[11:34] >> Can I keep one of these?
[11:35] >> Yeah.
[11:36] >> Yeah. And I'm full on. I'm like, call me
[11:38] a conspir. I'm like you where I'm like,
[11:39] oh that what is the shame tactic of the
[11:41] day? You're calling me a conspiracy. is
[11:42] great. I mean, like, you'd be a fool to
[11:44] believe the stuff that they're telling
[11:45] us today, the stories they're telling
[11:46] us. Um, I mean, it's it it is something
[11:49] that is just so disturbing. And I think
[11:51] that the Charlie assassination has
[11:54] >> was just so crazy like cuz he was so
[11:57] Republican, conservative, but I think
[11:58] it's brought people together in a
[11:59] productive way. Yeah. Um
[12:01] >> I look what I'm I'm I'm here and you're
[12:04] here and the um
[12:08] I I really think that we're not unique,
[12:12] you know? I think very very kind of
[12:14] emblematic is that like I'm like let's
[12:17] put the past, you know, not behind us.
[12:20] Like I'll explain anything you want.
[12:21] I'll talk about anything that you want
[12:23] to talk about that you still have
[12:24] questions about or that anybody is but
[12:27] like this isn't right. this what we're
[12:31] witnessing right now is not right.
[12:34] >> The level of corruption, the obuscation,
[12:37] the um I mean whether it's Butler or
[12:41] Charlie or
[12:43] these things that that
[12:45] >> it's just not right. And I mean it's so
[12:47] glaringly not right. It's almost as if
[12:50] they're just saying
[12:52] >> f you.
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