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Megyn Kelly Analyzes Joe Kent's Claims About Charlie Kirk Murder Investigation and Israeli Connection Theories
Megyn Kelly examines former counterterrorism chief Joe Kent's assertions that the FBI mishandled the Charlie Kirk murder investigation by failing to pursue potential international connections. Kelly discusses leaked text messages showing Kirk's frustration with Jewish donors pressuring him over Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, explores whether these leads warrant further investigation, and explains why Kent's testimony likely won't help Tyler Robinson's defense despite concerns raised by Turning Point USA staffers Andrew Kolvet and Blake Nefff about jury contamination.
Joe Kent's Investigation Claims Spark Debate
Michael Shellenberger interviewed Joe Kent, the former counterterrorism chief who resigned over Iran war policy, focusing on Kent's assertion that the Charlie Kirk murder investigation was mishandled by federal authorities. Kent suggested to multiple media figures, including Tucker Carlson, that potential international connections to Kirk's death were not adequately investigated, despite the case now being in Utah state authorities' hands with prior FBI involvement.
The discussion centered on a group chat Kirk participated in before his death, where he expressed frustration about pressure from Jewish donors. Kirk was angry about donors demanding he not platform certain individuals like Candace Owens at his events or feature Tucker Carlson. The texts revealed Kirk was considering returning donations from Jewish donors due to these pressures.
The Leaked Text Messages
The text messages, written 48 hours before Kirk's death, were provided to Joe Kent by Andrew Kolvet of Turning Point USA after Kirk's death. Kolvet believed these messages might suggest an Israeli connection to Kirk's death and felt obligated to inform federal authorities. Kolvet provided the text chain not only to Joe Kent but to at least one other federal official.
In the messages, Kirk wrote: "Just lost another huge Jewish donor. 2 million a year because we won't cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candace. Uggh." He continued, "Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause."
The correspondent replied advising against inviting Candace Owens, suggesting it might feel good short-term but wouldn't be beneficial long-term, noting that all groups have diverse opinions due to free will.
Additional Investigative Leads
Kent believes the possibility of an Israeli connection, whether domestic or international, was not properly investigated. There is at least one other lead on this front that cannot be publicly disclosed due to off-the-record constraints. The suggestion is that Kent likely knows about this additional lead that raises questions about potential Israeli involvement.
However, the prevailing belief remains that Tyler Robinson was the killer, possibly with help from Antifa, though questions about the thoroughness of the investigation persist given Kirk's importance to the conservative movement and his evolving position on Israel, which posed a political threat to Israel and its supporters.
Potential Impact on Tyler Robinson's Trial
Shellenberger questioned Kent about whether he had considered becoming a potential witness for Robinson's defense at the murder trial. Kent acknowledged the possibility, understanding the criticism that his public statements might derail the prosecution. However, he expressed confidence that what he knows won't significantly impact the defense's case or shock the jury.
Kent stated he has no desire to testify for the defense but would do so if called to discuss what he knows about whether federal authorities properly investigated the case. When asked about his specific involvement, Kent explained that investigating foreign involvement would fall under the National Counterterrorism Center's purview with more robust authorities for foreign angles, while the FBI handles domestic investigations.
FBI Interference and Bureaucratic Obstacles
Kent described being initially shut down from accessing case files, with the FBI stating his team could no longer work on the case. After arguing their case for continued involvement, they were technically restored but then experienced what Kent characterized as the government's effective method of making investigations "die in process." Their requests to investigate were systematically delayed and ultimately denied.
This would have been Kent's responsibility to investigate international connections while Kash Patel handled domestic aspects. Kent perceived a turf war that slow-rolled his team out of the case, making it extremely difficult to pursue leads even after receiving permission to investigate. Kent clearly indicated the FBI was responsible for these obstacles.
Reaction from Turning Point USA Staff
Andrew Kolvet and Blake Nefff, who worked for Kirk and now host his show following his death, expressed strong disapproval of the Shellenberger-Kent exchange. They worried about the potential to taint the jury pool and undermine Tyler Robinson's prosecution. Kolvet emphasized being open to questions and wanting answers if Israel had any involvement in Kirk's death, but stressed that six months of investigation had produced no corroborated evidence or actionable facts to support these theories.
Kolvet criticized the recklessness of making accusations without factual support, noting the real-world implications for the prosecution. Both Kolvet and Nef expressed complete conviction that Robinson pulled the trigger and killed Kirk, and their concern centered on anything that might help Robinson's defense.
Legal Analysis of Trial Impact
From a legal perspective, concerns about jury contamination, while understandable, can be managed through voir dire by prosecutors. Numerous high-profile cases have dealt with extensive media coverage and social media theories. The Bryan Kohberger trial would have addressed various media exposés and theories circulating on social media claiming his innocence, despite his eventual admission of guilt.
True crime communities regularly generate theories and podcasts about cases both famous and obscure, creating challenges prosecutors routinely handle. The notion that Kent's statements will undermine Robinson's prosecution appears overstated. A text expressing Kirk's frustration will not open the door to alternative theories at trial without actual supporting evidence.
For Kent's testimony to be admissible, there would need to be specific, actionable evidence of the alternative theory. Kent being able to identify "six major leads pointing to the Israelis" that weren't pursued might create an opening at a pre-trial hearing, but that's not what exists. When pressed by Shellenberger for additional evidence, Kent couldn't provide specifics beyond expressing that he was shut down from investigating something he wanted to pursue.
Expert Legal Opinion
Multiple legal experts, including criminal defense attorney Arthur Aidala and longtime criminal prosecutor Matt Murphy, unanimously agreed that this evidence has virtually no chance of being admitted at Robinson's trial. There is even less likelihood that Joe Kent would be called as a witness unless he possesses undisclosed evidence that definitively points to Israeli involvement that Kash Patel prevented him from pursuing.
Criminal defense cannot simply claim the government should have investigated other leads without presenting actual evidence of those leads. This standard protects the integrity of prosecutions while ensuring defendants receive fair trials based on facts rather than speculation.
Unanswered Questions About the Investigation
While Kent's statements likely won't affect Robinson's trial, legitimate questions remain about whether certain investigative angles were properly pursued. Kent's claim of being pushed off the investigation raises concerns about why that happened and by whom. His assertion that additional leads existed but weren't investigated deserves scrutiny.
The assumption that all leads have been corroborated and investigated over six months presumes facts not in evidence. Kent's statements suggest no such thorough investigation of this particular angle occurred. Additional questions persist about why members of Antifa who apparently had advance knowledge of the attack haven't been arrested. The fact that multiple people were posting on September 10th that Kirk would be shot raises serious questions about how they knew and whether anyone has been held accountable.
Conclusion
This situation represents a matter of government accountability, responsibility, and maintaining open-mindedness during investigations that should cover any and all potential leads. However, based on current evidence, this does not appear likely to provide any material help to Tyler Robinson's defense. Courts require actual evidence, not speculation about uninvestigated leads, to introduce alternative theories of culpability.
The alarm expressed about potential trial impacts, while sincere and understandable given the personal connection to Kirk, may not be warranted from a legal standpoint. Tyler Robinson's trial should proceed with the substantial evidence against him, likely resulting in conviction. The remaining questions concern what has been done to investigate Antifa connections and why the leads Kent mentioned, including at least one provided off the record, haven't been properly investigated by federal authorities.
Video Transcript
Something extraordinary happened
yesterday with many friends of this show
about Charlie Kirk,
you know, not even indirectly, pretty
directly. Um, Michael Shelonburgger, you
know him, he comes on all the time. Love
him. Great reporter. He interviewed Joe
Kent, the now former counterterrorism
chief who quit over the Iran war and has
make been making the media rounds,
including on this show last Friday.
And Shelonburgger
zeroed in with Joe Kent on Joe's
suggestion that the Charlie Kirk
investigation has been mishandled by the
feds. It's in the hands of the Utah
state authorities now, but the FBI was
very much involved in this. and he
suggested
to me, to Tucker, to others that
there were potential international
connections to Charlie's murder
around Tyler Robinson in tandem with
Tyler Robinson. Unclear. He's not saying
Tyler did not pull the trigger, that
were not adequately investigated in his
view. We talked in part about a group
chat that Charlie was part of prior to
his death in which he lamented what was
happening with the pressures being put
on him by uh Jewish donors. He was
angry. He wanted it to stop. And he made
clear that he was considering giving
back donations he had received from
Jewish donors because he was so sick of
being pressured not to have people like
Candace at at his events, not to
platform people like Tucker. And here is
in part what was written in the texts
that Joe uh has been discussing Joe Kent
and that we now know were provided to
Joe Kent by Andrew Kovette of Turning
Point after Charlie's death because
Andrew thought as well this may suggest
an Israeli link to Charlie's death and I
ought to tell the FBI about it or in in
this case the feds. I happen to know
that Andrew sent this um text chain not
just to Joe Kent but to one other Fed.
So, you know, those of you who are like,
"That must mean Joe Kent is the leaker
because it got leaked to Candace Owens."
Not necessarily. Um, it could have been
somebody who worked for Joe Joe Kent. It
could have been Joe Kent. He denied it.
And it could have been this other Fed
who Andrew provided the text chain to.
But here's what Charlie wrote. This is
48 hours before he died. Just lost
another huge Jewish donor. 2 million a
year because we won't cancel Tucker. I'm
thinking of inviting Candace. Uggh. Then
Charlie writes, "Jewish donors play into
all the stereotypes. I cannot and will
not be bullied like this, leaving me no
choice but to leave the pro-Israel
cause." And then the person he's
corresponding with says, "Please don't
invite Candace. That might feel good
short term, but it's not good long-term
in my opinion. Like all groups, you're
going to get a wide variety of opinions.
That that nasty free will thing that God
bestowed on us makes life frustrating at
times and goes on." Okay, so this was
turned over to the feds investigating
Charlie's death. And in Joe Kent's view,
the possibility of an Israeli connection
of some sort, whether you know a
domestic or an actual international,
like an Israeli an actual Israeli was
not adequately looked into.
And I happen to know that there is at
least one other lead on that front,
which I'm not at liberty to divulge
because it was given to me off the
record and you cannot report off
thereord information. That's all I'm
going to say about it. I have worked for
a long long time to get it on the record
and I cannot get the permission. That's
fine. But I I am guessing I've never
spoke spoken to Joe Kent privately. None
of my information comes from him. But I
am guessing that Joe Kent knows of this
thing. Um that does raise questions
about Israelis. Again, not to impugn
Israelis at all. I'm just saying it it's
not completely made up out of whole
cloth. There was at least one other
suggestion that that should have been
run down. That's all I'm going to say.
I don't believe the Israelis killed
Charlie. I think it was Tyler Robinson.
I think if he had help, it was by
Transifa, but I don't begrudge anyone
asking these questions because I've read
the Charlie text chain and I know some
other things and I just think it's
prudent. It's prudent given how
important Charlie was to the
conservative movement
uh and to the Israel issue and his
evolving state of mind on the issue
which was a threat to Israel and those
who support it you know politically I
mean that you you would have to look
into that you would he was assassinated
by somebody so in any event that Joe
Kent believes that too and Shelonburgger
asked him about whether now he's made
himself a potential witness for the
defense, meaning Tyler Robinson, at
Tyler's eventual trial for Charlie's
murder. Listen here.
>> I mean, have you thought about that the
that Robinson's defense attorneys may,
you know, call you an to be a witness?
>> Yeah. No, I've I've I've considered it.
I understand. Um
>> I think it's just a lot of people that
look at Tyler Robinson and go, "This is
not shocking at all. There's no there's
nothing missing from this. There's no um
there's no evidence that he had
accompllices
and now you're just kind of speculating
and and but more than because of who you
are that that could actually end up
derailing the the prosecution of the guy
that murdered Charlie Kirk.
>> Yeah, I'm sure that's fair criticism.
Uh, I I just I from from my vantage
point, I I don't see I did not see I
should say I did not see the the
investigation being thoroughly done. I I
don't think what I'm going to say is
going to knock the uh the defense's
socks off or the juries. So, I am
confident in in what I know and what I'm
saying. And if I end up having to go
play that role, then, you know, I'll do
it. But it seems to me that, you know,
your testimony,
you know, will be incredibly important
to the Robinson defense.
>> Yeah. I mean, then then then honestly,
so be it if it gets us to the truth.
>> So he says he has no desire to testify
for the defense in this prosecution, but
if called to talk about what he knows in
terms of whether the feds investigated
this or not, um, he he'll do it. Now, I
just want to follow up with we asked Joe
Kent when he was on about this issue
because the FBI was investigating this
case along with the Utah authorities and
kind of asked him what what he had to do
with it. Why why was the National
Counterterrorism Center involved?
Because what happened was he apparently
looked at some FBI file and got his hand
slapped by Cash Patel reportedly who
didn't want him butting in like a turf
war kind of thing. And I asked him about
that. Here's a little bit of that
exchange when he sat down with me less
than a week ago um in S 25B.
Would that have been your job, Joe, to
consider that piece or cash patells?
>> Uh a combination, but if there is
foreign involvement that that that's
where the National Counterterrorism
Center comes in because we have more uh
robust and broad authorities to
investigate the foreign angle. The FBI
has the more broad and robust
authorities to investigate the domestic
angle. So, who has the ability to shut
you down from that?
>> So, really, the way it happened was
initially it was just, hey, the FBI says
you guys can't look into the case file
when the case file is kind of where all
the data is and uh you're done. You guys
can't work here anymore. You guys can't
work on this case anymore. Um, we argued
that we should still be involved in that
case and we we won the argument. We got
kind of put back on the case. Um but
then after a while uh the government has
a great way of making things just die in
process and so essentially all of our
requests our ability to investigate it
was cut off. Our request to investigate
were kind of taken away and sort of died
in the process.
>> So you get it. It would have been his
job to in investigate the international
connection if any and cash Patel's job
to to investigate what was happening
domestically and he felt that there was
a bit of a turf war going on and that
they were slow rolled right out of the
case even once they had been restored as
having permission to look into it that
the government has a way of making that
very difficult for you and he felt that
that was done to him. Clearly he's
speaking about the FBI. Um I haven't
spoken to Cash Patel. I'm sure he would
deny that though I feel compelled to
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Nef, who are also on this show two weeks
ago, who worked for Charlie and are now
doing Charlie's show in the wake of his
death, were not happy with that exchange
between Shelonburgger and Joe Kent. And
here's some of their reaction yesterday.
>> I'd be shocked if Robinson's attorneys
don't use this.
>> Well, of course, this is the obvious
result of this. That's what infuriates
me is he's like endlessly he's like
someone who's vague posting on Facebook
where he's like there's there's things I
might know people should know I might
but I can't tell you what those are what
you actually think happened.
>> This really does have a potential to not
only taint a jury pool but to undermine
the very prosecution of Tyler Robinson
who I am 100% convinced pulled the
trigger and killed Charlie Kirk. I am
for asking questions. This is why I
shared the group chat with Joe Kent in
the first place. I'm not afraid of the
answer to those questions. If Israel had
a hand in killing Charlie, I want to
know. What I am telling you is that
we've had 6 months plus since that time
to track down all those leads. None of
which have been corroborated. None of
which have actionable evidence behind.
You have to have facts. And the
recklessness with which these
accusations are being thrown out now has
real world implications.
Okay, I completely understand Andrew and
Blake being upset about this. They do
not want to do anything to shore up
Tyler Robinson's defense, and I grant
them total and complete grace on that
reaction. But as a legal matter, they
really don't need to worry. Okay? And
I'm going to get to why in one second,
but before I do,
taint to the jury pool.
That's always something you have to
worry about somewhat. But in case after
case after case, we have seen very very
ubiquitous media coverage and it can be
handled in voadier by prosecutors. They
that's what they will do. That's what
they would have done in the Brian
Coberger trial where they would have
explored the many many media um exposees
on the case and the many many theories
that were circulating all over social
media that Coberger didn't do it.
There's a large faction that maintains
that to this day, they were very loud on
social media and had all sorts of
theories and podcasts and so on about
how he wasn't the killer. Now, he's of
course admitted he was, but that that
was something that the prosecutors were
going to have to deal with. And
prosecutors state-to-state in today's
day and age have to deal with that
anyway because it's a true crime
community now. You know, like I was just
talking to my well, I'll I'll reveal
this news later, but we we may have a
little true crime news for you uh coming
up, but it's it's growing and it's very
popular and it happens in cases that you
know about and cases that you don't
where there are very strong local um
there's very strong local interest in it
and becomes a podcast thing or internet
fodder in some way, shape or form. It
can be dealt with taint. But the notion
that um it's it's going to go beyond
that, that it's going to undermine the
very prosecution of Tyler Robinson, as
Andrew said, um and he said, who I'm
100% convinced pulled the trigger and
killed Charlie. Me, too. Same. And
Andrew and I have talked about it many
times privately and publicly. Um the
notion that it's going to undermine the
prosecution, I think, is incorrect. And
I think in Andrew and Blake's defense,
they were set up to get to this point by
the way Shelonburgger, who I love, um,
presented this. He presented it as,
"I've spoken with a constitutional law
attorney." And that person says this is
definitely going to play a role and this
is going to potentially help Tyler
Robinson at trial.
I think Shelonburgger spoke to the wrong
person. Um, he spoke to Sorry. Yeah, I
spoke he spoke to the wrong person. He
shouldn't have spoken to a
constitutional con lawyer. He should
have spoken to a criminal defense
attorney or a prosecutor. Criminal
prosecutor. Talk to an actual criminal
prosecutor or defense attorney. This is
not coming into evidence. It's not
coming into evidence. It's just not. The
only way this theory about whoever I
don't even know who it necessarily would
be. Is it Israel? Is it Jewish donors to
turning point? If you go off the Charlie
text, um I don't know who exactly the
people who completely buy this theory
think it is, but let's say it's one of
those groups. The only way that's coming
in is if there is actual evidence to
support it. A a text expressing
consternation by Charlie is not going to
open that door. It is not. Now, Joe Kent
saying there were six major leads that
pointed to the Israelis that were not
pursued. and here's what they were and
and can get really specific at maybe a
pre-trial hearing where they could get
into that. Maybe that could open a door.
That's not what he has. That's not what
he has at all. In fact, Shelonburgger
really pressed him on like what other
evidence is there? And he didn't cite
any. He wasn't able to say, "Trust me,
there's a lot." He seemed to just be
saying like, "I got shut down on the
investigation. There was something
there. I wanted to pursue it and I
smelled something, but I wasn't allowed
to do anything." Well, that's not going
to be enough. I mean, I'm sure Tyler
Robinson's attorneys are going to be sad
that it's not enough, but my own
instincts as a a lawyer for 10 plus
years, a litigator, and I've tried
cases. Um, and and then I check with
Arthur Idala, who is a legit trial
attorney, criminal defense, had one time
been a prosecutor, and Matt Murphy,
longtime criminal prosecutor. So, I've
got both sides weighing in with me. and
a couple of others who I called all
agreed, not one wiggled at all, saying
there is not a chance in hell that this
gets admitted by the Robinson defense.
And even less chance that Joe Kent gets
called at a witness unless there's some
treasure trove of other evidence that
Joe Kent remembers, oh gee, there were
those six clues. It were it was the
Israelis that I I did send to cash and
he didn't let me pursue that. That
that's not what's happening though here.
Okay. So, I don't think they need to
worry about what's going to happen at
the Charlie trial. And the last thing is
though on this. I also don't think this
settles the matter about whether some
place said clues might be present and or
why we haven't actually bothered to
know. We haven't bothered to actually
investigate because I believe Joe Kent
that he was effectively shoved off of
this. I don't know by whom. Um, I
believe it for many reasons and I don't
know why that happened. Um, but I'll
tell you that, you know, when I talked
to Joe Kent personally, he talked about
there being additional leads that were
not investigated. And that's why when
Andrew says, "We've had 6 months plus
since that time that I sent this to the
FBI and well to Joe Joe Ken and maybe
another Fed to track down all those
leads, none of which have been
corroborated. None of which has
actionable evidence."
um
that that presumes facts not in evidence
that that there has been an
investigation of this angle of the
story. And I would submit we just don't
know whether that's true. What we know
from Joe Kent is there wasn't.
And um it's one of the many questions I
think I still have about this case. Why
why would you shut that down? It's not
the only one. Where's the arrest of the
Transifa mob that clearly knew about
this beforehand? Who's investigating
that? Why does it take six months to
figure out whether all the people
posting that Charlie Kirk was going to
get shot on September 10th, whether they
how they knew that? Like, at least come
out and tell us why. Why hasn't there
been an arrest? Have you investigated
anybody? Who who have you spoken to? How
did they know this? Did they all just
get lucky?
All right. So, it it's not to stop with
like the is it anti-Semitic? It's not.
look at Charlie's texts. All
right. It's just let's let's just know
nothing should be off limits. So, I love
Andrew and I love Blake, but I I think
that they're not right that everything
has been investigated. And here's Joe
Kent again less than a week ago to me
directly 25A.
And all I can really truly say is that
there were additional leads that we
needed to run down and fully
investigate. And that's just simply was
not done. Um, basically from the time
that Tyler Robinson turned himself in
and was arrested and his fingerprints
were found on the um the rifle, they
basically they being the FBI said, "Hey,
this is now going to go over to the the
Utah law enforcement and we are we are
not investigating anything further." And
there was a lot of back and forth about
that because there were still and again
not just my opinion in in the opinion of
the National Counterterrorism Center,
there was other leads for us to run
down. Um, and I even spoke with members
of of the FBI or kind of at the ground
level and they they agreed with me and
we wanted to continue uh to investigate.
And so all I can say with with authority
right now is that there were additional
leads for us to run down the scope that
we had of foreign involvement. um we did
not get an opportunity to run down all
of those potential leads and and I think
Charlie Kirk deserves justice and I
think people deserve the truth about
what happened on that day. Not trying to
be cryptic. What I'm saying is that
there were things that we still needed
to investigate that were not
investigated.
So to sum up, in my view, this is a
matter of
government accountability,
responsibility,
and open-mindedness to a real
investigation that would cover any and
all clues around who might have had
involvement. But I do not think in any
way, shape, or form, as it looks right
now, this results in any help to Tyler
Robinson. You cannot just say there were
things the government should have run
down in my view but they didn't and get
that in front of a jury. That's not
going to happen.
So I think there was a level of alarm
yesterday on this that was perhaps not
warranted though completely sincere and
understandable.
And I think we should take a deep breath
on the trial of Tyler Robinson which I
think will be well handled. I think he
will be convicted. There is a mountain
of evidence against him and the only
questions I have are what's been done to
investigate Transifa
and why haven't those leads that Joe
Kent mentioned again at least one of
which I've been told about not by him
off the record aren't why aren't they
being investigated?
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