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Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens Discuss Breaking Group Identities and Awakening Black Conservatives
Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens sit down to discuss Turning Point USA's explosive growth and the movement to challenge political orthodoxy in black communities. Owens shares her conversion story from apolitical to conservative activist, explaining how she realized her values aligned with conservatism. The conversation explores the three verticals controlling black political thought—family breakdown, celebrity culture, and education—and how Turning Point USA is disrupting the narrative that Republicans are racist while empowering a new generation of free thinkers.
Charlie Kirk reflects on an incredible semester for Turning Point USA, having spoken over 38 times since January first at venues across the country. The organization has made significant appearances at UCLA, Stanford, and UC Berkeley in just six weeks, demonstrating the growing appetite for conservative ideas on college campuses. Kirk notes that they're seeing a "not so silent majority" growing on college campuses, with a revolution brewing among students hungry for alternative perspectives.
The increased media attention, including a major New York Times piece, signals the organization's growing influence. Kirk embraces the scrutiny with his characteristic optimism: "No one hunts small deer." The addition of Candace Owens to the team has amplified their message significantly, giving students and members a powerful voice that resonates with this generation.
Candace Owens' Rapid Rise to Prominence
Owens has experienced a meteoric rise from complete obscurity to national prominence in just a year and a half. She reflects on the challenges of such rapid growth, noting that gaining 200,000 followers at a time requires constantly adjusting her approach. The scrutiny intensifies with each milestone—when she tweets something, it becomes national news, often interpreted in ways she never intended.
Despite the challenges, Owens finds the experience tremendously exciting. The impact is visible in the comments sections and conversations happening across social media. Black Americans are starting to debate political issues among themselves in ways they weren't before, moving beyond the assumption that all black people must be Democrats because Republicans are supposedly racist. People are viewing her as more thoughtful than they initially assumed, moving past the narrative that she's simply being paid to espouse conservative views.
The Road to Damascus: Owens' Conversion Story
Owens clarifies an important distinction: she was never a liberal in terms of actual political beliefs—she simply assumed she was liberal because she wasn't paying attention to politics at all. This assumption, she argues, reflects the reality for the majority of the black community, where communities are burdened by financial issues and the breakdown of the family structure, leaving little bandwidth for political engagement.
Her awakening came in July of the previous year while working in finance. The rise of Donald Trump forced everyone to develop political opinions and pay attention. When she examined her actual beliefs and values, she realized they aligned perfectly with conservatism. She had always worked hard, never received handouts, and graduated with $100,000 in student loan debt. Her grandfather was extremely pious, raising her with prayers around the dinner table and Bible stories in the morning—values that today represent conservative positions.
The Kanye West Phenomenon
The conversations with Kanye West caught most people by surprise, but not Owens. From her first minutes working with Kirk—who hired her four and a half minutes after meeting her—she predicted that Kanye would come out as a conservative Trump supporter. Kirk admits he was skeptical, even confusing Kanye with Jay-Z initially, revealing his lack of pop culture literacy at the time.
Owens persisted, getting Kirk to listen to Kanye's music and understand the cultural significance. When Kanye finally made his move, one of his first public statements was "I love the way Candace Owens thinks." She has since developed a friendship and relationship with him. The impact was immediate and powerful—Chance the Rapper came out supporting similar ideas, and though he faced pressure and denounced some of what he said, Kanye never apologized for his vocalization of support. His music is now doing better than ever, outperforming even Eminem, who tried to make a career out of opposing Trump.
The Three Verticals Controlling Black Political Thought
Owens breaks down how black Americans have been systematically influenced to believe all Republicans are racist, identifying three crucial verticals of control. Understanding these mechanisms is essential to comprehending how an intelligent, academically successful person like herself could have absorbed this narrative without question.
The first vertical is family breakdown. The epidemic of single motherhood in black communities removes fathers from the home, creating a vacuum of authority and guidance. When the traditional family structure collapses, young black people turn elsewhere for direction and values.
The second vertical is celebrity culture. When fathers are absent from the home, black youth begin idolizing cultural figures instead of parents. They listen to Jay-Z, Kanye West, and Beyoncé to tell them what's right and wrong. This is why Hillary Clinton threw a Jay-Z and Beyoncé concert instead of actually going into black communities to discuss their issues—she knew that if Beyoncé wore an "I'm with her" shirt, the black community would follow. While Owens disagrees with this dynamic, she acknowledges it's the reality.
The third vertical is education. Black students are learning their history incorrectly in schools. The narrative that the Democratic and Republican parties switched—the Southern Strategy—is taught as fact in educational institutions. Owens understood how to address the first two verticals but didn't know how to attack the education vertical until she partnered with Kirk, who was already working on that front through Turning Point USA's campus presence.
A Perfect Partnership for Cultural Change
The partnership between Kirk and Owens represents a strategic alignment of complementary strengths. Owens understood family breakdown and celebrity culture from her lived experience within the black community. Kirk understood the education system and was already establishing a presence on college campuses to challenge liberal orthodoxy. Together, they're attacking all three verticals simultaneously, creating space for black conservatives and free thinkers to emerge.
The work is making a measurable difference. Videos of their conversations with people who never would have considered conservatism before are proliferating online. These individuals are taking a second look at conservative ideas and engaging in substantive conversations. The Young Women's Leadership Summit and other Turning Point USA events are creating communities where these new perspectives can flourish, expanding to more campuses and building what Kirk calls the "not so silent majority."
