Charlie Kirk and Vivek Ramaswamy Confront Campus Protester on Debating Voters and Trans Rights Legislation

[00:00] Do you feel uh proud of yourself for

[00:03] debating college kids um who are

[00:05] unprepared to speak in front of an

[00:07] audience like yourself?

[00:09] >> Uh hold on, hold on, hold on. Um you're

[00:12] 30 years old. We we can agree you're 30

[00:14] years old, right?

[00:17] >> Do you think that's a little bit silly?

[00:18] >> Are you a voter?

[00:20] >> I am a voter. I

[00:21] >> So I vote and you vote. So I'm talking

[00:22] to voters of this country that will

[00:24] determine the future of Western

[00:25] civilization. That's what I'm doing here

[00:27] today.

[00:28] >> Yeah.

[00:30] Wait, hold on. How is it any different

[00:31] than a professor talking to you?

[00:33] >> Than a professor talking to you?

[00:35] >> Who Who are you?

[00:36] >> Well, enough important enough for you to

[00:38] come up to a microphone.

[00:40] >> She came in with

[00:41] >> Actually, when I first saw this ad, I

[00:43] thought it was like a like an improv

[00:45] comedy thing. It looked so ridiculous

[00:47] that I didn't even think it was real.

[00:49] >> Um,

[00:50] >> well, no, you could see, look how

[00:51] popular Trump is on your campus. How

[00:53] does that make you feel?

[00:57] >> That that's not comedy. That that is a

[00:59] five alarm fire for Kla Harris because

[01:01] she's probably going to lose

[01:02] Pennsylvania.

[01:03] >> Look,

[01:07] >> but no, I just want to be clear. Is

[01:08] there something wrong with talking to

[01:10] voters?

[01:11] >> No, there's nothing wrong with talking

[01:12] >> Well, that's what we're doing here

[01:13] today. It's an open

[01:15] >> I think that you push a dangerous agenda

[01:17] >> such as

[01:20] >> your stance on uh abortion rights, for

[01:22] example.

[01:23] >> Here we go.

[01:26] >> Okay. So,

[01:27] >> so let me ask a question.

[01:29] >> What is what is your name?

[01:31] >> Jean.

[01:31] >> Jean. And what is your understanding of

[01:33] the current Republican party's stance on

[01:37] federal intervention in abortion?

[01:39] >> Well, I know that they want to bring it

[01:40] back to the states, right?

[01:42] >> So, the So, it sounds like you do know

[01:44] that the Republican party's current

[01:45] stance on abortion is they're against a

[01:47] federal ban on abortion.

[01:48] >> I do understand.

[01:49] >> We're talking about a presidential

[01:50] election as the important election that

[01:52] we're talking about here.

[01:53] >> I understand that. Yes.

[01:54] >> Great. So again, I I think this open

[01:56] dialogue is great. I think it's great

[01:57] you're here challenging Charlie. And I

[01:59] think it's great that he's willing to

[02:01] travel campuses across this country to

[02:02] talk to the next generation. We need

[02:04] more conversation. Now, where's the

[02:06] disagreement though on content? Cuz you

[02:07] could criticize style or why you talking

[02:08] to people or dunk on someone personally.

[02:10] But where do you actually disagree with

[02:12] a substance with the way that you edit

[02:15] content and specifically frame it so

[02:18] that people look bad talking to you? you

[02:22] >> the way that you edit your content.

[02:24] >> We post unedited content.

[02:28] >> Let me just let me just ask you one

[02:29] thing though cuz we could you could

[02:31] personal personal insults can fly in all

[02:33] directions. Where is an area where you

[02:35] have a disagreement with the

[02:37] conservative movement with Donald Trump

[02:39] with Charlie Kirk perhaps with myself. I

[02:41] was a presidential candidate last year.

[02:42] I think we need to talk about that more

[02:44] in the open and the more we do the

[02:45] stronger our country is going to be. We

[02:47] got a long line of people but I want to

[02:48] hear from you. one substantive area

[02:50] where you have an authentic disagreement

[02:52] and I'd be glad to address it. I'm sure

[02:53] Charlie would too.

[02:56] >> Just in any

[02:57] >> anything

[02:58] >> any political

[02:59] >> relating to any political topic where

[03:01] you have a disagreement. Let's air it.

[03:02] >> Okay. Um, I disagree with uh the some of

[03:10] the uh laws that are being pushed in

[03:12] Congress um that are against the LGBTQ

[03:15] community and the trans community.

[03:18] >> Okay. So, let's talk about that. I'm

[03:21] going to give you my view and then I

[03:22] want to hear yours.

[03:23] >> Okay. My view is that if you're a fully

[03:26] grown adult, 18 or above, you're free to

[03:29] live how you want, dress how you want,

[03:32] marry who you want, if you want, if

[03:33] you're over the age of 18.

[03:35] >> I agree.

[03:35] >> But you are not free to indoctrinate

[03:38] children in schools who are not yet of

[03:40] the age of consent. You are not free.

[03:42] And just as you're a 17-year-old or a

[03:44] 15-year-old can't get a tattoo on their

[03:47] own, I don't think that you should be

[03:48] able to go or until the age of 18. And

[03:53] so the lines that I draw here is that

[03:55] men are free to claim to be women and

[03:58] swim in swimming pools. You're not free

[03:59] to claim trophies in a women's sports

[04:02] competition. You're not free to enter a

[04:03] women's locker room. You're not free to

[04:05] change a language. And you're not free

[04:06] to actually indoctrinate our children

[04:08] who are under the age of five in

[04:09] schools. Do we agree on the fact that

[04:12] adults should be able to live freely

[04:13] while still treating children

[04:14] differently? If so, we're on the same

[04:16] side of this issue.

[04:19] >> Listen, I agree with the majority of

[04:23] what you said. However, I I don't think

[04:25] that you're understanding the um the

[04:29] implications of the laws that are trying

[04:32] to be passed.

[04:34] >> Look, we got a head start on the

[04:35] conversation. We got a long line behind

[04:37] you, but my only ask is forget the

[04:40] personal attacks or the stylistic

[04:41] attacks. Focus on substance. The more we

[04:43] debate that, the stronger we're going to

[04:44] be as a country. Thank you for coming.

[04:46] >> Thank you.

[04:46] >> I don't think you're focusing on

[04:48] substance though. That's the issue.

[04:50] >> Hold on.

[04:52] >> Look, he he intentionally tried to

[04:54] provoke substance out of you

[04:57] >> and you said, "Well, I'm worried about

[04:58] some laws Congress should pass." I have

[05:00] to ask, what laws are you talking about?

[05:03] >> Can you be specific?

[05:05] I'm sorry. I'm very nervous. But uh this

[05:08] is what you do. This is what you do. You

[05:09] take people and you put them under the

[05:12] spotlight and you

[05:13] >> Well, hold on. I I didn't I didn't ask

[05:14] or you to come up here. You voluntarily

[05:17] came to the front of the line. You

[05:19] didn't have to do that.

[05:20] >> You're purposely antagonizing people on

[05:22] campus. Asking people to come up by

[05:24] spreading your weird agenda.

[05:26] >> How?

[05:27] >> What What agenda is I I'm confused

[05:29] though.

[05:31] >> So, Charlie, I'll I'll say this. We'll

[05:34] we'll we'll end on this and we'll go to

[05:36] the next question.

[05:38] >> When I was 18, and I'm not going to

[05:39] blame you for this, I also took for

[05:41] granted a lot of the stuff that the

[05:42] media forcefed me because that's what

[05:44] you know at the age of 18. You say there

[05:46] are some vague laws making their way

[05:47] through Congress. They're hostile to

[05:48] trans.

[05:51] But I don't blame you if that's what the

[05:53] cable media is feeding you, but let's

[05:55] get to the specifics and then we're able

[05:56] to actually have an open dialogue. And

[05:58] that's one of the things I've learned

[05:59] over the last 20 years. I think that the

[06:01] issue is is we're getting our media from

[06:03] different sources. Both people are

[06:06] getting media from these skewed sources.

[06:09] >> The facts that you're presenting are not

[06:10] always correct.

[06:12] >> And that's why we're here with no TV

[06:14] screens between us. So people who have

[06:15] policy based substantive disagreements,

[06:17] we invite those. I think that's how

[06:19] we're going to get our country back. And

[06:20] as it relates to trans, which you

[06:21] brought up, 18 or above, you're free to

[06:23] live how you want. You're not free to

[06:25] force that onto somebody else or

[06:26] especially kids. And if we agree on

[06:28] that, we can make some progress. Thank

[06:29] Thank you.

[06:30] [Applause]

[06:32] >> Disagreements.