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Charlie Kirk is the Founder and President of Turning Point USA, the largest and fastest growing conservative youth activist organization in the country with over 250,000 student members, over 150 full-time staff, and a presence on over 2,000 high school and college campuses nationwide. Charlie is also the Chairman of Students for Trump, which aims to activate one million new college voters on campuses in battleground states in the lead up to the 2020 presidential election. His social media reaches over 100 million people per month and according to Axios, he is one of the "top 10 most engaged" Twitter handles in the world. He is also the host of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” which regularly ranks among the top news shows on Apple podcast charts.
Subscribe on YouTubeCharlie Kirk Answers Questions on Faith Office, NATO, Israel, Drug Trafficking and College Education at UCLA
Charlie Kirk fields challenging questions from UCLA students on topics ranging from the White House Faith Office and America's NATO involvement to the Israel-Hamas conflict and the fentanyl crisis. Kirk defends the Faith Office by noting every administration has maintained one, argues for limiting NATO expansion to avoid antagonizing Russia, and calls for an unconditional surrender from Hamas. He addresses concerns about raising Christian children in California, advocates for dramatic restrictions on immigration, and warns students that AI will eliminate most jobs within a decade. Kirk emphasizes securing the border and implementing the death penalty for drug dealers as solutions to the fentanyl epidemic.
Faith Office and First Amendment Concerns
A student who openly disagreed with Kirk on many issues raised concerns about the White House Faith Office established in February to combat Christian discrimination, viewing it as a potential violation of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause. Kirk responded by pointing out that Biden had a faith office and every administration has maintained one for the last hundred years. When the student expressed skepticism that Christian discrimination exists in America, Kirk maintained his position, and the two agreed to disagree respectfully.
NATO Expansion and Russia Relations
A Mormon student asked about Kirk's position on NATO after he suggested Turkey should be removed from the alliance. Kirk acknowledged that countries cannot simply be kicked out of NATO but expressed conditional support for the organization. He argued that NATO has generally been beneficial but criticized its continued expansion, calling it an unnecessary irritant to Russia. Kirk emphasized that America should not go out of its way to antagonize Russia and should instead focus all attention on what he considers the true enemy: the Chinese Communist Party.
When asked whether America would benefit more economically from aligning with Russia than NATO, Kirk clarified that he supports maintaining friendships with both. He noted that Russia wanted to join NATO in the early 2000s and argued that Russia is largely an unnecessary enemy created by the US Security State. Kirk pointed out that Russia is not killing Americans or poisoning American youth with fentanyl, unlike other adversaries.
Israel, Hamas and Path to Peace
An Israeli Persian Jewish student who identified as a Zionist asked how Israel can obtain peace and diplomatic ties with its neighbors. Kirk's response was unequivocal: Israel must first destroy Hamas. He emphasized a point he believes is being overlooked in current discussions—Hamas should be required to provide an unconditional surrender, similar to what occurred with Japan in World War II. Kirk stated that absent an unconditional surrender, he does not believe peace is possible. He criticized the fact that no one has mentioned the term "unconditional surrender" and called for its reintroduction into the conversation.
Raising Christian Children in Modern California
A Christian woman who has looked up to Kirk for eight or nine years expressed her concerns about starting a family in California. She described her fears about what her children might be exposed to, mentioning a six-year-old she lives with who might be influenced to become a furry or adopt other ideologies she finds troubling. Kirk provided several recommendations for preventing children from being influenced by what he considers harmful ideals while maintaining proper Christian values.
His advice included:
- Don't send children to government schools
- Maintain a robust church life and attend regularly
- Honor God in everything you do
- Marry a godly man willing to defend your children and wall off negative content
- Consider leaving California due to the cultural environment
Kirk also encouraged the woman that if she is called to be a stay-at-home mom, it is a beautiful thing and she doesn't have to enter the workforce to be a godly woman. He recommended being a stay-at-home mom, calling it one of the most underappreciated elements of American life.
California's Systemic Problems
A student agreed with Kirk about tariffs and cutting government spending but expressed concern about waste within California, particularly regarding homelessness and the fires. The student noted that California has no infrastructure or system to address these issues and asked what could be done to minimize the waste. Kirk's response was direct: stop electing Democrats in the state.
Kirk listed California's problems:
- Highest poverty rate
- Highest homelessness
- Highest wealth inequality
- Highest cost of living
- Second highest home prices
- Highest quality of life crime in the country
He emphasized that change starts with the California Democrat Party and noted that the student needs to change who is running the state.
The Future of College Education
The same student raised concerns about dropping college enrollment rates and the state of education, noting that the university they attend promised to raise tuition by 35% over the next five years (7% annually). The student asked for recommendations on getting educated if college isn't the best path. Kirk acknowledged that the answer depends on what someone wants to do but made a stark prediction about the future.
Kirk stated that in the next ten years, colleges will become completely irrelevant. He explained that AI will take away 90% of jobs and advanced robotics will basically take over the world as we know it. His best advice for young people: find something to study and be good at that AI cannot do. He acknowledged this is a short list because AI is getting increasingly advanced.
Merit-Based Admissions Versus Context
A student asked about Kirk's stance on diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) policies, confirming his opposition to DEI based on race, religion, ideology or political beliefs. The student then asked about considering context or circumstances in admissions, using JD Vance as an example—someone who grew up in difficult circumstances and attended an underfunded school versus an applicant who went to private school with more opportunities and higher-level courses.
Kirk rejected the idea of context-based admissions, explaining that universities are trying to get around affirmative action rulings by using what they call "context cultural scores." He stated that circumstances should have no bearing on admissions because the system needs to be based on excellence. If it is not, it will discriminate against people who are otherwise very qualified. Kirk argued that the goal of institutions should not be to open doors to as many people as possible, but to be the most excellent possible institution that protects and pursues knowledge.
When pressed on what the best solution is for people without opportunities, Kirk offered general life advice: graduate high school, make the most of your life, consider two-year college or technical school. He outlined how to stay out of poverty in America:
- Don't commit crimes
- Get married before you have kids
- Get a job, any job
- Don't be awful with money
When the student reminded Kirk that he had previously said character can be part of merit, asking if someone from harder circumstances demonstrates character, Kirk agreed that character matters but noted that weighing it in the admission process is very complicated.
Trump's Tariff Policy
A student asked for Kirk's definition of a tariff and his thoughts on Trump's tariff policies. Kirk said they would need to see how the tariffs work, explaining that an equitable agreement is needed. He stated that import tariffs are necessary and the American people voted for them, supporting the idea of bringing back American manufacturing and putting American workers first. However, Kirk added a caveat: if tariffs raise prices, which they might, then they should be pulled back.
Confronting Pro-Palestinian Protests
A student who had his nose broken at a pro-Palestinian protest in the Pico Robertson neighborhood of Los Angeles asked how Jewish people, Christians and Arabs should respond to protesters who want to deny Israel's right to exist and who make Jewish students uncomfortable on UCLA and other campuses. Kirk's first response was that Israel has to defend its homeland.
For Americans, Kirk said that anyone who participates in flag burning or anti-American behavior while on a student visa should be sent back to their country of origin and should not be allowed to attend school in the United States. When asked about Christians who say they're dealing with their own problems and don't want to get involved, Kirk stated that Christians should be involved in the public square, serving as salt and light and engaging in public discussion rather than being quarantined to one area.
The student also asked about the situation with Arabs and the perception that they're taking over European countries. Kirk agreed it's very disturbing and stated that America should dramatically restrict immigration.
Solving the Drug Crisis
A student asked about a legitimate fix to the drug problem in the United States, specifically mentioning heroin, fentanyl and cocaine, noting that the prohibition method hasn't been working. Kirk outlined a multi-pronged approach:
- Close the southern border
- Implement the death penalty for drug dealers
- Impose much harsher penalties for anyone involved in drug trafficking
- Go after the actual supply, which is the Mexican drug cartels
When the student compared this approach to alcohol prohibition and mentioned the organized crime that resulted, Kirk pushed back, stating that alcohol prohibition actually worked in reducing alcohol usage and that crime went down across the country. He clarified he's not advocating for banning alcohol but emphasized that people should stop acting as if heroin and alcohol are on the same level. Heroin, methamphetamine and fentanyl are far worse, according to Kirk.
He reiterated that President Trump is doing the right thing by securing the southern border, implementing heavy penalties for drug traffickers, and going after the source of where drugs originate.
Video Transcript
all right uh good afternoon Charlie how
are you um I was wondering to I want to
start by saying I don't agree with you
on very much but I hope we don't see
each other as enemies uh I just want to
have a discussion about something that I
am a little concerned about um I I do
feel a decent uh deal of concern about
the White House Faith office um which
was recently I believe established
around February 7th um to combat uh
Christian discrimination uh I I see it
as sort of a a violation of our first
amendment rights particularly the
establish Clause I wonder if you could
uh give me a little more information on
that Biden had a faith
office every Administration has had a
faith office the last 100 years is that
true well I guess I don't have a whole
lot more to a faith outre that's right
still I I don't particularly agree with
the idea that there's Christian
discrimination in America I think
emboldening or establishing um chist
establishing something that's supposed
to combat Christian discrimination which
is not particularly an issue in America
I I feel like it steps too close to
establishing the Christian religion to
not be somewhat of a violation of the
First Amendment we'll just disagree on
that but thank you well agree to
disagree appreci thanks for being here
thank you thank you sir any
disagreements guys we got to wrap soon
yes sir all right um so I just want to
we might have opposing views on this I'd
like to extend my gra I'd like to extend
my gratitude to you as like an advocate
for the voice as a voice for the
voiceless such as me I'm morion you
always voice your thoughts on us but my
question stems down down to this um what
are what is your position earlier you
said you think turkey should be kicked
out of NATO for this but I don't think
countries could be just kicked out of
NATO like that so what is your position
on America's involvement with NATO do
you think we should like stem away from
NATO because they're kind of leechy I
mean if NATO is going to get us involved
in this Ukrainian War unnecessarily yes
but NATO's generally been a good thing
but why do we keep on expanding NATO
NATO is an irritant to Russia we should
not go out of our way to try and
antagonize Russia it is stupid it is
self-defeating it's not good for America
period end of story and what we should
do is we should configure all of our
force and our attention against our true
enemy the Chinese Communist Party the
Chinese Communist party is our true
enemy not the people of Russia but
moving forward um Russia and China have
always enjoyed like very good relations
with each other in recent times we've
seen uh Trump has been trying to get
closer to Putin and you know potentially
establish a connection with Russia do
you think that would be more
economically beneficial to America as in
contrast to us being with NATO which
part uh us aligning more with Russia
than we are with NATO well we're not I
mean I think that but first of all
remember Russia wanted to be part of
NATO back in the early 2000s there is
not a good argument to overly antagonize
Russia the way that we have we should be
friends with both but like Russia is not
killing Americans Russia is not
currently involved in like poisoning our
youth with fentanyl or Russia is an
unnecessary enemy largely created by the
US Security State yeah 100% thank you
appreciate it man I signed please yeah
you bet anybody dis any disagreements
you got an IDF search no he's already
gone yeah yeah can I come sure hi
Charlie my name is sh I have some notes
real quick let me just pull them
up hi Charlie I hope you're doing well I
wanted to start off with that I admire
you a lot regarding your logic and your
thoughts on wokeism I think wokeism is
very bad especially for the minors of
our country
my name is sharifi and I'm a proud
Israeli Persian
Jew as a Zionist I want the best for
Israel which includes bringing the
hostages home and Israel and Israel
obtaining peace with its neighbors I
hope one day to see a world where Jews
and Arabs can coexist in the Middle East
how can Israel obtain peace and more
diplomatic ties with its neighbors
surrounding them I mean Israel first and
foremost has to destroy Hamas and by the
way you know what no one's talking about
is Hamas should have to do an
unconditional surrender no one's not a
peace deal we need an unconditional
surrender like we had in Japan absent
and unconditional surrender I don't
believe peace is possible you notice no
one has mentioned that term
unconditional surrender that needs to be
reintroduced we did it in World War II
we need an unconditional surrender okay
thank you Charlie may I please have a
high yes thank you all right have a
great day absolutely anyone disagree can
I get it pleas hi there Charlie I just
want to say I've looked up to you for
many years you're the one who got me
into the conservative movement about 8 n
years ago I really love
you and out of everyone in the
conservative movement you're the one who
I feel matches my moral ideals the most
one thing I just want to ask you as a
Christian woman who wants to start a
family and I look around me nowadays
especially living in California I'm
really afraid of what my child's going
to be exposed to I live with a
six-year-old and every time she comes
home I worry that she's playing dogs
she's going to pretend to be a furry
someday or I don't know I get scared of
that stuff honestly what is your best
what do you think is the best way to
prevent our children from being
influenced from those ideals and growing
up in a with the proper Christian ideals
even though we keep it in our household
they're still exposed to it outside yeah
first of all don't send your kids to
government schools that's number one
number two have a very robust Church
Life and attend church regularly honor
God and all that you do and also marry a
godly man that was willing to defend
your kids and to wall off all of the
negative poisonous content that might
come after your future children it's
very very important and then and then
finally I I don't want to say leave
California but it's getting worse around
the cultural poisons and toxins that are
out there is so Dreadful it is so heavy
uh so that would be my piece of advice
for you thank you so much and and if you
are called to be a stay-at-home mom
that's a beautiful thing you don't have
to go into the workforce to be a godly
woman in fact I recommend being a
stay-at-home mom it's one of the most
underappreciated elements of American
life thank you thank you so much can I
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anyone disagrees yeah sure hey Charlie I
just want to say I'm a big fan of you
bro I really appreciate everything I
just got a quick question all right what
do you think of the aeran and Armenia
situation going I already answered it
you already answered have by I'm on
Armenia side thank you yep yeah I've
been waiting here for like two hours
what's up Charlie um so I agree that
Trump's tariffs will make America rich
and I agree cutting outside spending is
a good way to kind of counteract
inflation but I think there's a lot of
waste and spend inside of our country is
majority California um a lot with
homelessness a lot with the fires uh
there's no infrastructure there's no
system here and California dollars are
getting wasted every day on a lot of
things what do you recommend we do to
minimize that I mean you got to stop
electing Democrats in this state right I
mean I
um here in California you guys have the
highest poverty rate you have the
highest homelessness you have the
highest wealth inequality you you guys
have the highest cost of living um you
have the second highest home prices and
you have the highest what we call
quality of life crime in the country
Breakin Burger Lees thing that nature
even just fires by homeless people you
what even just fires by homeless people
there's a lot of waste on on resources
that are getting sent out and so and so
you you need to change who is running
your state and that starts with the
California Democrat Party all right and
then last question uh college enrollment
rate has been dropping every single year
for the past few years uh education
feels much less regulated not up toate
and uh pretty not Advanced anymore what
do you recommend if you want to get
educated but don't think a college
education is the best way it's a good
question it depends on what you want to
do right it depends on what you want to
actually you know for example this sorry
to interrupt but this college here has
uh promised to raise their tuition 35%
over the next 5 years 7% and it's just
it's incredible I'm going to be honest
in the next 10 years we're not there yet
these these colleges are going to be
completely irrelevant
a is going to take away 90% of the jobs
and advanced robotics is going to
basically take over the world as we know
it so find something to study and be
good at that AI can't do that's the best
piece of advice I have for young people
find something to be good at that AI
cannot do it's a short list by the way
cuz AI is getting pretty Advanced as you
well know thank you appreciate it yes
sir if you guys disagree make your way
to the front thank you hi Charlie first
I want to thank you cuz you're a big
reason why Trump on the election in the
youth vote so I just want to thank you
for
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that now now I know your stance on Dei
is you know no Dei based on race
religion you know ideology political
beliefs which I 100% agree with my
question for you is what are your
thoughts on Dei that's B I don't know if
Dei is even the correct term but based
on context or circumstances so I just
want to use like applying to college for
example so let's say someone like JD
Vance who grew up in a very circumstance
probably went to an underfunded School
versus just another applicant who maybe
went to private school had more
opportunities had the opportunity to
take higher level college courses and
succeeded so on paper you could say that
the one that took harder classes has you
know more Merit but would you also
consider the fact that the other
applicant didn't have the opportunity on
the surface it sounds good so number one
this is the way they're getting around
affirmative action is they try to have
these what they call context cultural
scores m and they try to get around that
way the answer is no that should have no
bearing because you need to have a
system based on excellence and if you do
not you will then discriminate against
people that otherwise are very qualified
to be there in those positions it is not
the goal of the institution to try to
open the door to as many people as
possible it's to be the most excellent
possible institution and be able to
protect knowledge and pursue knowledge
that is what the goal of college should
be but what do you think the best
solution is for people that don't have
those opportunities to begin with I mean
first and foremost try your best to
graduate high school make the most of
your life you know maybe go to two-year
college or technical school I mean
there's these are just general life
advice I mean the if you want to stay
out of poverty it's not hard in America
by the way and everyone in this audience
you might it's not hard it's very easy
to not to stay out of poverty you want
to know how to stay out of poverty don't
don't commit crimes get married before
you have kids get a job any job yeah
exactly get a job any job right and be
like not awful with money you do those
four things you can stay out of what is
classified as poverty in this country
okay just one last point cuz I remember
you were talking about or at least I
heard that you were talking about that
character can be a part of Merit could
you make the argument that someone has a
lot of character if they do come from a
harder circumstance and we're still able
to potentially yeah I mean I I think
character does matter a lot um how you
weigh it in admission process is very
complicated though I agree thank you
very comp appreciate it hat yes thank
you thank
you thank thank you I just want to send
greetings from Pastor Jesse as well U
from Legacy Family Church I'm under his
leadership he just says his uh his
greetings but I did have a question I
just wanted to know your stance on uh
tariffs like what would you define a
tariff is and also um what are your
thoughts on the tariffs that Trump is
doing like he's imposing on yeah I mean
we'll see how it works I mean I think we
need an equitable
um agreement I will say this the import
tariffs are necessary and the American
people voted for them the the idea
bringing back American manufacturing and
try to put America workers first but if
they raise prices which they might then
they should be pulled back awesome would
I be able to get a red hat yes I'll sign
it for you too thank you yeah good job
hi Charlie I'm a big fan I just want to
say and I want to tell you I was at a
protest on Pico Robertson which is in La
they came the pramas guys they came to
our neighborhood to our synagogue and I
got my nose broken and it was all
because of them and here's my question
my question is for the people who are
Christian for the people who are uh
Arabs or or whatever and the Jewish
people also how are we supposed to go
about all those uh people like that are
right in the back right now that are
chanting that they want for for us to
not have a land for us to not be living
comfortable in UCLA campuses and over
here all over so I'm asking you how
should we go and re and and respond this
is to the Jewish the Christians and the
Muslims how do we go about this I mean
Israel has to defend its Homeland first
and foremost what what do we do what do
we do I mean I wouldn't give them too
much oxygen but what we as a what what
yeah exactly what we as Americans need
to do is if any of them participate in
flag burning or an anti-American
behavior and they're on a student visa
they should be sent back to their
country of origin and they should not be
going to School here in the United
States of America and and let me ask you
for if someone is saying cuz I hear this
a lot a lot of Christians say that I'm a
Christian I'm dealing with my own
problems I don't want to be involved do
you think that that's the right thing to
say because you're Christian no
Christians should be involved in the
Public Square they should be Salt and
Light they should be engaged in the
public discussion not just quarantined
off to one area and what about Arabs
what I look should they should cuz they
could say like oh okay these are my
people listen
yeah I mean look they're entitled to
their opinion um but it just seems as if
they're they're taking over every
European country right now and it's very
disturbing and should we fight back as I
mean I think we should say we should we
should we should absolutely dramatically
restrict immigration yes I hope IOP
there was going to be some kind of
disagreement but I agree with you sir
thank you I'll give you a half thank
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you hey
Charlie uh I just got a question
regarding the uh uh drug problem within
the US how what's like a legitimate fix
to
this what which which drug problem
specifically I think anything heroin I
think marijuana is being already like
know legalized being fine when it comes
to like fentanyl heroin cocaine cuz the
probation method we've been taken isn't
really working
out but we can't really just let any I
mean we first need to close the southern
border that's number one we need to have
death penalty for drug dealers that's
number two um and we need to have much
harsher penalties for anyone that is
involved in the trafficking of drugs and
then we have to go after the actual
Supply which is the Mexican drug cartels
I think that's true but isn't that Taken
like a alcohol prohibition type method
where that mean it worked alcohol
prohibition worked in one way people
alcohol usage went
down but there was still
Mass from what was the problem with
alcohol prohibition tell me uh the major
Gams that came up during Chicago New
York some bootlegging but actually crime
went down across the country okay you
can look at it I mean I'm not all for
like Banning alcohol but there's a lot
of lies about Prohibition that are told
but also let's just stop acting as if
heroin and alcohol are on the same level
heroin's way worse right meth is way
worse fentanyl is way worse of course
but yeah I think we have to be more
serious about what actually creates the
Cascade of effects of people that want
to be able to use these horrific drugs
yeah I just want like is like a plan we
could go down to fix yeah I I think
president Trump's doing the right thing
secure the southern border heavy
penalties for drug traffickers and going
after the source of where all the drugs
are coming from origination so thank you
very much great question thank you I
mean we have class okay thank you thank
you can I get a hat
yeah thank you thank
you okay thank you