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Charlie Kirk exposes the hypocrisy of billionaire elites like LeBron James who refuse to stand for the national anthem while benefiting from American prosperity. At Turning Point USA's America =Fest, the largest multi-day conservative event in history with 13,000 attendees, Kirk tackles IBM's exposed discriminatory hiring practices, the Senate hearing room scandal, and the weaponization of AI through woke ideology. From discussing the future of American education to calling out corporate America's embrace of divisive racial policies, this conversation reveals why loving America has become radical while hating it is considered fashionable.
The Biggest Conservative Gathering in American History
At 1 p.m. Eastern on a Saturday night in Phoenix, an unprecedented gathering took place. Turning Point USA's AmericaFest drew 13,000 attendees, marking the biggest multi-day event in conservative history. Charlie Kirk, joined by podcast hosts and special guests, delivered an electrifying message about the state of American culture, education, and values.
Kirk credited the Turning Point USA staff for their tireless work throughout the year, noting that the event represents a culmination of grassroots organizing on college campuses and in churches across the nation. The team worked sleepless nights to ensure attendees had a life-changing experience, executing on a standard of excellence that few events achieve.
LeBron James Refuses to Stand: The Ingratitude of American Elites
The conversation turned to LeBron James' refusal to stand during the national anthem at an NBA game. While everyone around him rose with hands over hearts, the billionaire basketball player remained seated in his pink sweater, visibly unmoved.
UFC fighter Colby Covington delivered a scathing response: "If you hate America so much and you don't like this country that gave you a billion dollars, leave it or come deal with me. Go to China, go to these sweatshops that you employ, all these laborers, use these women and pay them pennies on the dollar to make your millions. You're a coward, you're a spineless coward."
Kirk explained why this seemingly small gesture matters so much: "It's a micro of the macro. The macro is we have the richest people that have benefited so greatly from this country that are filled with ingratitude and they've become bitter brats. This country has treated LeBron James so well, has blessed him beyond his imagination, and he can't even stand."
He contrasted James with basketball legends Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan, both of whom would never disrespect the country that made them successful. Kirk noted that James appears more loyal to the Chinese Communist Party than to America, stating that if Xi Jinping walked into a room, James would say "sir, yes sir" to his true master.
The discussion highlighted a fundamental shift in American culture. A century ago, the robber barons like Carnegie, Rockefeller, and JP Morgan, whatever their faults, loved America. Today's billionaire class, with rare exceptions like Elon Musk, demonstrates open contempt for the country that enabled their wealth.
IBM's Shocking Discrimination: The Ten Commandments of Woke Ideology
James O'Keefe, present at AmericaFest, broke a massive story exposing IBM's discriminatory practices. An internal video showed IBM CEO Arvind Krishna openly discussing giving bonuses only to Black employees while withholding them from white employees, and firing executives who refused to discriminate in hiring.
Even more disturbing, IBM maintains an official "Allyship Ten Commandments" document that includes statements like "understand that only white people are racist" and "accept that white people are responsible for dismantling racism." The full list reveals a deeply troubling corporate ideology:
- Openly acknowledge privilege and systemic racism exist and result in trauma
- Never question the reality of our black friends and colleagues
- Reject the idea that race is political
- Accept that white people are responsible for dismantling racism
- Understand only white people are racist
- Know the black community owes us nothing in this work
- Require acknowledgment and repair of inevitable mistakes
- Is never rooted in white saviorism
- See the black community as a group of individuals and not as a monolith
- Does not seek recognition or praise for a job well done
Kirk connected this to IBM's massive investments in artificial intelligence, explaining the danger: "AI is becoming a woke super weapon. At some point, something has to tell the AI what is true and what is good. The IBM code of ethics, these Ten Commandments, are quietly going to be inputted into the AI of tomorrow."
He warned that while AI's Terminator-like potential is concerning, the more immediate danger is giving the woke mind virus a thermonuclear weapon to redesign society. When people ask AI questions about racism, truth, and morality, the answers will be filtered through these deeply flawed ideological frameworks.
Elon Musk responded to the IBM story, recognizing the connection between woke culture and AI development. Kirk praised Musk as having prophetic ability to see dangers before they materialize, noting that Musk's urgent warnings about the "woke mind virus" stem from understanding that AI could become an authoritative source of misinformation, presenting ideologically driven answers as objective truth.
The Senate Hearing Room Scandal and Elite Depravity
A Senate staffer was caught on video engaging in sexual activity in a Senate hearing room. NBC News' headline described the individual as "alleged by conservative outlets" to have committed the act, despite video evidence. The staffer worked for Senator Ben Cardin.
Kirk called it "pure and simple Sodom and Gomorrah stuff," noting a pattern of desecrating what was once sacred. He pointed to other examples: a transgender individual going topless on the White House lawn, the pride flag displayed center stage at White House events, Dylan Mulvaney receiving special White House access, and cocaine being found in the West Wing.
What made the scandal worse was the staffer's response. Rather than taking responsibility, he issued what Kirk called "the most millennial response," claiming to be a victim of homophobia and threatening legal action against those criticizing him. He wrote: "This has been a difficult time for me as I've been attacked for who I love to pursue this political agenda."
The group discussed how America's enemies use such incidents for propaganda. Kirk explained that Russia doesn't just mock these events, they use them to rally domestic support. Vladimir Putin gives speeches telling Russians that America's "overtly aggressive gay agenda" is what they're fighting against in Ukraine. He shows them examples like this and says the West wants to bring this depravity to Russia.
Kirk noted that the Ukrainian Armed Forces spokesperson for two years was Sarin Ashton Cerillo, a transgender individual, which Putin uses to frame the conflict as traditionalism versus the excesses of modernity. While not endorsing Putin, Kirk acknowledged that when Russia makes it illegal to perform transgender surgeries on children, that's actually a good policy, regardless of the source.
Building the University of Tomorrow: Elon Musk and Educational Reform
The conversation turned to Elon Musk's announcement that he's investing $100 million to establish a new university in Austin, Texas. The university will focus on STEM education, offering instruction in math, science, engineering, and physics with hands-on learning experiences and simulations. Additionally, Musk plans to build K-12 schools that will teach subjects beyond STEM, initially enrolling around 50 students with plans to scale over time.
When asked what kind of school they would build, each participant offered unique perspectives:
Kirk emphasized combining mind, body, and soul. Students would need to maintain physical fitness and a certain BMI, commit to spiritual development, and develop their minds through classical education. The key foundation: acknowledging objective truth exists in the universe. He explained that wokeness falls apart the moment you accept natural laws that transcend individual existence. As Western higher education has dismissed objective truth, woke ideology has become ascendant.
One participant suggested bringing back formal debate traditions, where students present arguments, hear counterpoints, offer rebuttals, and receive peer review. This teaches logic and critical thinking rather than just loud arguments.
The idea of body cameras for teachers generated strong support. Parents should be able to log in and see what's being taught to their children, just as dog owners can check on their pets at doggy daycare. If taxpayers fund public schools, they have a moral right to know what's happening in classrooms.
Kirk proposed requiring parental involvement as a condition of enrollment. Parents would attend monthly sessions to learn better parenting skills, share successful strategies, and stay informed about their children's education. The focus would be leadership development, with parents taking responsibility rather than outsourcing education entirely to schools.
The consensus: traditional university education may not survive another generation in its current form. The current system is unsustainable, with teachers outnumbering conservatives 11 to 1, creating indoctrination factories rather than education institutions. The college debt crisis, combined with worthless degrees, has made the return on investment questionable for many majors.
The Housing Crisis: 90% Increase in Mortgage Payments Under Biden
Average monthly mortgage payments on new homes have surged 90% since the start of the Biden presidency, reaching $3,322 in the third quarter of the year. Interest rates exceeding 7% combined with rising housing prices have made homeownership increasingly unattainable for average Americans.
The discussion revealed that in 47 of the top 50 metropolitan areas in America, renting is now significantly cheaper than buying, often by $1,000 or more per month. Only three metros—Pittsburgh, Birmingham Alabama, and Jacksonville Florida—still favor buyers financially.
Kirk's team explained that while the government claims inflation is down and the economy is fine, this represents one truth and one lie. Yes, inflation is coming down, but the economy isn't fine. The Federal Reserve's aggressive interest rate increases to tame inflation have made housing unaffordable for millions of Americans.
Even if rates decline to 5.75% or 6% over the next year as predicted, they won't return to previous lows. The math simply doesn't support buying for most Americans right now. The American dream hasn't died, they argued, but it has changed. It's now about mobility, flexibility, and low overhead rather than traditional homeownership.
Instead of building equity in a house, young people should focus on building wealth in investment portfolios, digital wallets, and savings accounts. When the market eventually turns in 2, 5, or 10 years, they'll be cash-rich and able to buy. Meanwhile, they'll have extra capital to support churches, private schools, or organizations doing good work in America.
The conversation noted that 94% of Americans believe owning a home is a fixture in the American dream, yet less than half believe they'll ever be able to afford one. This represents a fundamental shift in what's possible for average Americans under current economic policies.
The War on White People: From Boston to New York
The discussion addressed what many see as systemic discrimination against white Americans. Kirk pointed to the mayor of Boston holding segregated Christmas parties where white people aren't allowed, and dozens of colleges establishing black-only dormitories.
Perhaps most disturbing, New York City prioritized people of color for life-saving monoclonal antibodies during COVID until they got caught. The headline read: "New York City will consider race when distributing life-saving COVID treatments." They were literally distributing medical care based on race, with white people forced to wait.
Kirk warned this is heading toward an AI-based social credit system where white people have points docked against them while people of color receive special tokens. He called it "a reconfiguration of racial apartheid, the death of meritocracy, and a backdoor way to destroy Western Civilization."
The University of Michigan's new Hippocratic Oath for doctors and nurses was cited as another example of how medical professionals are being trained with woke ideology rather than focusing on treating all patients equally based on need.
Kirk emphasized this is a top-down revolution, not a grassroots movement. Regular Americans of all backgrounds reject this toxicity. The elites are pushing an anti-white, anti-Western, anti-Christian agenda that will eventually reach a boiling point as grassroots Americans refuse to tolerate it.
Standing for America: The Message of AmericaFest
Kirk concluded with a powerful observation about what separates AmericaFest attendees from the elite class. When celebrities like Bette Midler, Barbra Streisand, or Cher threaten to leave America if their preferred candidate loses, they never follow through. But the Americans at AmericaFest take the opposite position.
"If the bad guys win, we're not going anywhere," Kirk declared. "That's what makes us different. I'm going to raise my grandkids here. It might become a dystopian hellscape, but I'm not leaving. You can't force me out. I'm never going to give up. I'm going to be an annoying mosquito in your ear for as long as I have breath."
This encapsulates the spirit of the event and the broader movement. AmericaFest isn't about partisan politics in the traditional sense. Fifty years ago, such an event would have included Kennedy Democrats and Rockefeller Republicans united in love of country. The fact that loving America is now considered radical while hating it is fashionable represents a fundamental problem.
Kirk noted this isn't good for the country. Patriotism should transcend party lines. Yet it's become abundantly clear that Republicans and conservatives love America more than liberals and certainly more than progressives. In elite society in places like Aspen, Martha's Vineyard, and Sun Valley, you get extra points for hating America and weird looks for saying the country is amazing.
The 13,000 people gathered at AmericaFest represent something different: everyday Americans, plumbers, electricians, welders, parents, and students who are done with powerful elites using their platforms to destroy the country. They're the people who understand that ingratitude from billionaires who've benefited enormously from American opportunity represents a sickness that must be confronted.
As Kirk put it regarding LeBron James and others like him: "Leave the country. You have a billion dollars. We don't need you. The country has not been enriched by your dribbling around and shooting. You're a bad person. We don't need you. In fact, the country would probably be better if you went to mainland China."
This message resonated throughout AmericaFest: America's future belongs to those who love her, not those who despise her while enjoying her prosperity.
Video Transcript
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that's a joke YouTube that's a joke everybody I don't want people to uh go so Charlie how you feel right now with the you got you know we uh first of all credit to the staff uh the Turning Point USA staff they work their tail off uh they work all year first on campuses and in churches and this is a culmination of all it it's a celebration of the Grassroots Army that we've built at Turning Point USA but pbd you host amazing events honored to speak at one last a couple months ago you know what it takes to put on events like this uh and to have to execute on a standard of Excellence uh like the Turning Point team does is not easy and I'm so thankful for our team um from the graphic design team to the social media team to people that have been here literally sleepless nights for a week to make sure that everyone here can have a uh life-changing experience so I'm thrilled for our team um glory be to God he's blessed us amazingly here it's the biggest event uh multi-day event in conservative history and also obviously the biggest event in Turning Point USA history that's powerful to hear that seeing the energy and by the way if you're here you know what I'm talking about if you not if you saw it online it was absolutely electrifying uh we want to get into some topics we're doing podcast right we got some stories uh one of the stories I think we can get into we'll get into here in a minute is what Kobe C said about LeBron James not standing up in the NBA game the standing ovation we'll talk about that there was some extracurricular activity uh by a senate staffer I don't know if you guys heard about this is that what you call is that what you call it yeah by a senate staffer alleged allegedly by conservative Outlets to have had sex in a hearing room hold on read that how sick is that headline though Senate Stafford this is by NBC News the word allegedly when it was on video conservative Outlets to have had out have to do with this all of a sudden they're making it into a rightwing thing we'll talk about that we'll talk about that to see what's going on Zuckerberg is building $100 million house in Hawaii compound with massive underground bunker maybe he watched this movie Leave the World Behind and he's a little concerned or Civil War who knows musk is starting a university I wonder how people feel about it we'll talk about that I think he's putting a $100 million into it IBM did you see the IBM video that was released by the way James O'Keefe is here at America Fest and we should have his back he's had a tough year and he just posted a big win that was a massive win we'll talk about that as us mortgage payments on a new home have seen 90% rise under Biden's uh uh presidency and then we got a couple other stories we'll get into one of the ones I want to get into which is kind of an interesting story they ran numbers on the top 10 male models what they make in total versus top 10 female Mo models again Top 10 male models top 10 female models what the 10 make against each other and I think it's unfair if you ask me from your face I can tell from your I can tell when you look at the numbers I think we need to do something about it so we we need Congressional hearings I agree so so before we talk about that stuff let's first go to our sponsor Rob if you want to play this clip American Harford gold and we'll get on to all these stories so look I've been in the financial industry since 911 the day before 911 and I've owned stocks bonds mutual funds real estate crypto gold you name it I've owned it but the one thing that's very important part of my portfolio all these years is gold I love having a percentage of my network in Gold that I have access to in case of many different things that's why we chose to work with our new sponsor American hardford Gold if you have retirement funds that you cannot afford to lose American Harford gold will ship physical gold or silver directly to your door also if you have retirement funds that you can't 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every $1 of Revenue spend on these platform results in $3 and $5 additional spending on SP on software and between $6 and $8 additional on on uh Services rap I don't know if this story matches the other actually I can connect the two though pbd because it's really it's super important okay so then let me read the whole thing and then I'll turn it over to you IBM while offering its own public clown Computing uh platform partners with leading technology companies like AWS Microsoft and others these Partnerships have driven significant bookings for IBM with Kavanaugh stating our strategic partnership we've got multibillion dollar book of business with WS with Microsoft and sa and samp and next up are going to be Salesforce with Oracle and Adobe coming up so tell us more about the story so so that story didn't get a lot of headlines about AI it's developing but what the other IBM story is which is going viral thanks to James O'Keefe is this one where IBM was caught on camera uh their CEO saying give bonuses only to Black employees and don't give them to white people we should actively discriminate against white people America First legal has um slammed IBM they're potentially going to sue over at title six complaint so what do the two have to together right anti-white attitudes IBM and AI tell us well AI it's who who's going to write the ethics and the morals of the AI of tomorrow so a AI is going to become a woke super weapon oh so think about it who's going to tell AI right from wrong well the code of ethics that govern IBM is going to be infused into the operating protocol of AI so that's story doesn't seem like it's related okay they have a press release they're making all this money on AI so let's pretend you go into the AI that IBM is developing a chat GPT gbt type model right yeah you ask the question can black people be racist and the IBM aai would eventually say no they would say uh what is racism and they'd say racism is not individual prejudice but a power struggle of what I'm getting at is that to seemingly disconnected stories here IBM making a ton of money on AI and their woke culture this is the danger the the clear and present danger of artificial intelligence is less about Terminator that's a thing but it's more about giving the woke mind virus a thermonuclear weapon to redesign Society because at some point something has to tell the AI what is true and what is good and the IBM code of ethics I kid you not I have it in front of me and you guys can look it up IBM has a like a Ten Commandments Elon Musk just responded to this a Ten Commandments a a a Dei 10 commandments alley ship Commandments this is IBM openly acknowledge privilege and systemic racism exist and result in trauma two never question the reality of our black friends and colleagues three reject the idea that race is political except that white people are responsible for dismantling racism five understanding only white people are racist this is an official document of IBM IBM's document can Rob can you pull this up so we can show this to the audience if you have this document sit right there this is O'Keefe broke the story number six knows the black community owes us nothing in this work seven require acknowledgement and repair of inevitable mistakes eight is never rooted in white saviorism nine sees the black community as a group of individuals and not as a monolith 10 does not seek recognition or praise for a job well done so this is called alley ship so I want to just emphasize one of them and I was just spotting up to my head no understanding that only white people are racist that is the Ten Commandments of IBM so the Ten Commandments of IBM are quietly going to be inputed into the AI of tomorrow that's connecting those two stories Patrick AI is becoming a woke super weapon this this won't work though because this is again another one of those ideas that's just not going to work folks if you're looking at this online Rob can you do me a favor play the first minute of O'Keefe's clip while the CEO of IBM is speaking we just want to play the first arid Krishna yeah goad and some low person the co ofm go ahead so we take under represented and gender you got to move both forward by a percentage that leads to a Plus on your bonus by the way if you lose you lose part of your bonus I'm not trying to finesse this so for blacks we should try to get towards 13 something per on Hispanics you got to get into the mid but let me say it Asians in the US are not an underrepresented minority in a tech company James o'keef here outside of IBM's corporate headquarters in armun New York an IBM Insider has provided us with an internal video showing the CEO of IBM arban Krishna using coercion to fire people and take away their bonuses unless they discriminate in the hiring process let me go deeper in the red hat multiple leaders over the last year plus that were held accountable to the point that they're no longer here at Red Hat because they weren't willing to live up to the standards that we set in this space this conversation takes place every single day and and a lot of it's behind the scenes they terminated Executives that didn't discriminate yet another violation of title 7 one of the biggest companies in the world one of the most valuable and recognizable brands on Earth IBM Insider has provided us with an internal video showing the CEO of IBM arban Krishna using coercion to fire people you can pause it here you can pause it here so um okay Tom here's a question for you I got I got a question for you you you've been around a block and a company this is a Dow 30 company they're worth $150 billion they're not a small company they're $150 billion company they may do something like this is this this is as of when Rob this is one day 148 billion how was right yeah can you do me a favor go to a five day go to five days to see what happens to their stock not a big movement go to one month to see what's happened really not a big they're up over the last year by the they're up 40% over the last year how how uh suain go to five years yeah Tom how sustainable is this to have ideas like this within a company as big as IBM well first of all Charlie makes a good point I'll connect back to do you and just just quick yes or no and we'll nod here do you remember when chat GPT first came out and kids were asking it like questions and then people ask questions about faith and suddenly it was clear that chat gbt had a bias remember this we all discovered it and it was it was almost uh seen as you know no big deal nothing to see here you're just using chat gbt online to get something answered oh wow it's got a bias now you can see where the bias goes how deep it goes but let me tell you take you know my first job out of college was with IBM I went to IBM sales School finish number one in my classes you you know you know what back then that it this didn't exist there was a thing on the wall simply said respect for the individual whoever the individual was just respect for the individual this is what year time what year is this this is 1987 and right underneath it it says our motto is simply think and that's where it was and that company has has devolved CEO head on his desk just think think and that's what it was that's devolved I don't think this is survivable long term the company IBM's not going away but it's not survivable in its current state it's going to change it's going to be hit because you know what if IBM has an office in Oklahoma there's a certain Governor that just signed an executive order you can't do this specifically and there's a Supreme Court case this year that started with the um Asian suing uh Yale Yale Yale for Yale for admission they lost and they went to the Supreme Court and then we got the uh the anti-discrimination in admissions it's all connected IBM this is going to cause cracks some people have they they can't continue this it's not sustainable in its current you know how they say you know go woke go broke what's actually going to happen to IBM what are the ramifications of something like this coming out Charlie yeah it's it's not like Bud Light because there's not IBM is not used by the everyday person right IBM is a lot of um tailored type of contracts it's literally called International Business Machines that's what IBM stands for and that red hat is their Hiring Agency red hat is the tech sourcing firm for them so what's going to happen I don't know but it should be a reminder that as we Barrel towards artificial intelligence we have to figure out very simple answers to the question of what is true what is good what is right or wrong by what is the code of ethics that we operate and this is something that you look at what IBM believes in they believe their 10 commandments are understand that only white people are racist except that white people are responsible for dismantling racism so on and so forth and so artificial intelligence is going to be used as a way where an 8-year-old is going to type in very basic questions and they are going to socially reprogram millions and tens of millions of people and this is why Elon I think I think Elon with his prophetic ability to see things before they happen and immense amount of Courage I'm a huge Elon fan I think Elon what keeps Elon up at night and the reason he's acting the way he is is he's connecting dots woke mind virus with AI he has said this as much where what is going there will be a time where you ask AI something and will give you an answer as if it's authoritatively true even though it isn't can say one what so we we keep hearing all this type of stuff you hear see what IBM you just see this anti-white rhetoric is happening there's a war on white people well and here's my thing what's the overall go like what the hell are they trying to do like what what what's going on they're AC trying everywhere all over Europe everywhere it's just an influx of everybody else and and and to hell with us and to hell with our country so part of it is very masochistic there are some people that just hate themselves honestly and they've been told to hate themselves filled with guilt it it's basically soow Mo slow motion suicide however whiteness is a filler term to just say power structure those people in power right so it is a Marxist framing of the world oppress or oppressed and they say white people are the majority therefore they are in control um and we must try and dismantle them look at the mayor of Boston you're pulling it up right now uh Boston woo uh who has segregated Christmas parties where white people are not allowed by the way there are black only dormitories at dozens of colleges probably hundreds now dozens that I know of black only dormitories um and this is where it ends up it ends into this really sick racial apartheid state where white people have less rights I'll give you another example when monocolonal antibodies were distributed in the city of New York until they got caught they were prioritizing people of color in the city of New York life-saving monoclonal antibodies were distributed and were prioritized to people of color and white people had to wait now they got caught it's against the law and you know they ret they retreated go look up the new University of Michigan hypocritic oath where the doctors and nurses of tomorrow see look at that New York City will consider race when Distributing life-saving covid treatments so where are we heading we are headed to an AI based social credit system where if you are white you have points docked against you that if you're a person of color you get special tokens this is a reconfiguration of racial apartheid it's the death of meritocracy and it's a backdoor way to destroy Western Civilization because Western Civilization is against this crap it's against the toxicity that Race Matters one more thing on this topic so a month ago maybe even two weeks ago they can hear us now hi everybody see now we can get some Spirit going right Fant I'm glad we got that night and day yes that's good shout out to James o'keef because why is this so important a month ago not even less a month ago the biggest story in the news was what what was going on with chat GPT and Sam ultman right the Hostile takeover of the company in he was out he was in he was out now he's back in officially but these types of conversations especially around AI need to be had now the sooner the better for the sake of humanity yes and so the what Elon wants is he says why can't we have an AI that is not program political as if you're asking MSNBC the questions or you're asking Nicole Hanah Jones you're asking Robin D'Angelo that's a good goal whether it's achievable or not and so Patrick that's a question is the question for you because you alluded to this we didn't really land the plane is this popular is this going to continue here's the issue the regular people here at America Fest by the way people of all different skin colors and backgrounds and diversity they think this is terrible the question though is that the elites they're buying into this the elites are bought into an anti-white anti-western anti-christian agenda this is going to reach a boiling point because the the Grassroots the people aren't putting up with it this is a top down Revolution I don't disagree I don't think it's sustainable I don't think it's going to work I think it needs to piss off uh the people who are wanting to fight for and stand up kind of like what Elon is doing we talked about it earlier today where there is three different ways to contribute one is with your time one is with your money one is with your voice if you have a platform talk about it if you got time give your time to somebody if you got the money make the right investments into companies that want to do something about this and that's what Elon Musk is doing Elon just spent $100 million I want you to think about this he put $100 million into a new UN University Elon wants to open up a new University in Texas this is according to the story uh The Verge so Elon Musk plans to establish a university in Austin Texas with a $100 million contribution from his charity the foundation the university will focus on stem education and offer instruction in subjects like math science engineering and physics it aims to provide Hands-On learning experiences and simulations while seeking accreditation from Southern Association of Colleges and Schools commissions on colleges in addition to the university musk's plan includes building stem focused primary and secondary school schools that will teach subject Beyond stem these K through 12 schools will initially enroll around 50 students with the intention of scaling up over time this is an example of somebody that's making their money and using their money to fight the elites when you see Elan doing something like this time for somebody whose daughter we cannot publicly say it yes or no we cannot say it or we can't say it don't say the school don't say the school okay Tom's daughter had a school she wanted to go to yeah I'll give you where it's at it's in America okay narrows it specific not Oxford no it's not Oxford she got a 1560 out of her 1600 as a parent time when you hear somebody like Elon Musk who's got few hundred million he's putting $100 million into schools what does that make you think about because if he's the pay or maybe other people are going to say I want to start my my own school as well what does this make you think about well this this makes me think about and I I've had this discussion with my daughter and my wife and I said I think you're the last generation that goes at least from our family into a traditional education institution as we know the structure today I don't think my grandkids will do this I think that you have people like Elon Musk like you and me that feel passionate about education that are going to build a Next Generation a next level of Education in America and what I think about I really think this is the the last generation at least I'm going to be involved with that that goes through these traditional colleges in a traditional way and and by the way it's really sketchy right now you know but she's got a very specific major she wants to go follow that but that's what I think about I got a question and I love what he's doing I love what he's doing I want to support him let's be creative let's be creative and let's get some ideas here okay let's just say we have an unlimited checkbook we can use some of our resources to start a school what would you build as a school to be unique and different than other schools out there how would you build a school what would you do in your school this goes to everybody here Tom I'll start off with you I I'd go right back to the tradition of debate because debate has become you know just loud argument there is a tradition of debate where you had a elegant way and there was rules of debate to come bring in a point have a Counterpoint a rebuttal and then a review by your peers at the conclusion of that debate called the discussion of your of your classmates or a discussion by a panel I would bring back debate of both sides bringing both sides in so people could see the logic and the true winner rather than being told who the winner is Vinnie what would you do serious I mean I remember what pledge allegiance they took did they take that out of school too just something in the beginning where you where you shot out your country and you you basically get everybody on the same team they stopped doing all that Charlie you got a school we're whatever we want to call the school we can call it what would you have in your school that would be different than other schools yeah first I think Hillsdale does a great job uh and I think Hillsdale is America's greatest college and they're a sponsor here and I I love them hillsdale.edu they're amazing actually the website is Charlie for hillsdale.com if you really want to check it out but um I would make a different I I would I would combine Mind Body Soul um if you the theoretical school is you have to be physically fit uh you have to have a certain BMI you have to commit to a spiritual life and you also have to develop your mind and I would do it in a classical way uh the whole Center of higher education should be that there is a truth and let's figure out out what that is the reason the woke stuff has started is they start from a truth claim saying there is no truth as soon as you acknowledge there's an objective of truth of the universe it destroys all woke I hope everyone understands that how do you beat the woke as soon as you get people to acknowledge that there are natural laws of the universe that transcend Your Existence and some things are objectively true it it absolutely o obliterates the woke so as higher education has dismissed that the woke has been ascendant so that's what I would do Adam let's by the way how many you guys want to hear what Adam has to say about the school anybody wants to hear Adam thoughts here what would you do with your school so I have a feeling if Adam started a school yeah 9 10 ratio I believe 100% you not 100% it' be like a nightclub in Miami 90% women 10% guys it's going to be the best college of all time but with that being said number rule number one rule number one no dudes are allowed to play sports with the females I like that straight up I like that okay like just not happening idea this is like man that's understand so you're saying we will do like we did back in the day and Little League Cup check let's see what's going on here got you number two when we started the podcast in 2020 I think the number was like 11 to1 liberal teachers yep versus conservative teachers that's right 111 can we just get that back to an equilibrium situation where there's an equal amount like you talked about debate conservatives liberals talk to each other because what's going on with these smartest useful idiots in the world at Harvard MIT pen we're seeing what's going on there these kids are geniuses but they're being fed a ball of crap from these teachers because how many kids in college are actually going to stand up and confront their teacher on maybe some ideology that they perceive as wrong they're going to shut the f up and follow along and then just go along that path so I think it's problematic that there's so many teachers that are just basically indoctrinating kids there's no more education is just indoctrination in school now back in Florida State when I was there playing ball having fun we didn't really have to get into all this uh woke situation they go to class in Florida State no but Charlie that's how you end up in a podcast with TVD and Pat Pat I think especially in the younger age like you what what what do cops walk around that what about Arizona State guy what are you talking about I didn't go to college he didn't even go to college yeah here go to college it's a scam everybody college is a scam the university system is broken the college Deb is ridiculous a good book it's the college scam the college scam you did write a book about it P what what do what do cops wear on their on their Jack the cameras that body cam the body cam kids up to a certain age like when they're young I want body C all the they have cell phones that's no no no I want a c like you you as a parent to see what the hell they're teaching the kids I totally agree have a have a camera go like a GoPro on your kid I want to hear if I want to tap in during the day and see what the hell you're teaching my kid I want to be able to come in and watch here's the best argument you drop your dog off for Doggy Daycare and you can log into an app to see if your golden retriever is being pampered get abused when you drop your kid off to a public school you have a moral right to find out what that teacher is teach thank you and Charlie even if it's one camera in the classroom if like you're a dad want to sign up for me yeah if you're a dad in your home Adam I want to be able to just go okay what are they doing if you go in there and everybody's wearing rainbow and dancing around I'm coming to the school you know what I mean Tom CL what the hell's going on you want me to put this out there you go Phoenix welcome to the West people guys that's the first Middle Eastern Cowboy ever I love hey we put the college scam written by Charlie Kirk here you got your book autograph I want to hear your answer to this question how would you you're not going be form the college sign but your hair still looks good ask the question no yeah because we've had this conversation before but I think with Charlie here and obviously in the light of this book what would you do because you have four kids some may go to college some some might go on a sports scholarship you've thought about this one that's going to be slightly different here's what I'm doing if you go to my school if if your kids are going to my school I need your involvement the parents involvement period okay if the parent is not involved your kids can't go to my school because I'm going to need your help if we're going to spend time challenging your kids pushing them driving them you have a certain responsibility every month for you to come to school what do you mean by this the kid the parents need to parents are coming like Rodney Dangerfield and back to school that's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about you're coming model that works in the inner city charter school you're coming to school because we're going to also work on you becoming a better parent because we're going to become collectively with the team so we'll update you hey let me tell you what's going on here's what happened this week this is what we're working on these are the things that we want to talk about what parents are working hey Johnny can you tell us what you're doing with your kids that your two kids that go to our school to have straight A what are you doing Mary can you share with us what you're doing with with your kids that they got straight A as well and then all of a sudden you're like oh you guys do that yeah that's a great idea I'm going to use other parents that are raising their kids well to develop other parents that are also holding their kids accountable this idea about let me send my kids somewhere you do your thing with the kids it's parents responsibility so we would put a bit of the onus also on the parents the focus would be leadership development the way he had it I love the idea but uh can I can I add one more thing that I think is would be right up your alley what's that I think kids need to understand that their major has an Roi attached to it and I think they need to eliminate whatever Majors have no like kids are going into 50 100,000 A4 million of debt before they even made a dollar in their life and it turns out that basket weaving or underwater sewing I'm going to tell you does not make money you know it's crazy though here's here's one thing we're not even thinking about like look at all the industries that are about that have disrupted in the past before okay look what this is okay no I I never went to Columbia University to be a you know podcast or journalist we're here doing a podcast people watch this millions of people give their opinions thoughts do you know some of these guys that are used to reading a teleprompter right there yes next today at 8:00 John J from the and you're just kind of reading it yeah the disruption did this to mainstream Media newspapers internet Twitter social I believe the next 10 20 30 years one of the one of the Industries that's going to be disrupted in ways we don't even know ourselves is going to be education and it's going to be so painful by the way we saw what happened with MIT we saw what happened with pen we saw what happened with Harvard they didn't fire the president gay right we're not going to be doing that they redefined plagiarism yesterday in their bylaws by the way you know what I love I love that they did that you know why if you're a parent and you're still thinking Harvard is the Pinnacle of school to go to you are a fool this is not the same Harvard of 20 30 40 years ago they're being exposed that's the beautiful thing about what's going on there now gentlemen I have something I want to share with you guys I don't want you to be offended or upset but I think it's not fair and in about two minutes I think you're going to be very upset with this one area if I were to ask you right now the top 10 male models in America how much they make versus the top 10 female models a year a year total what's the ratio let me ask you one more time Top 10 male models good-looking men right versus top 10 female models what do you think the disparity is this is a travesty 10 to one I'd say it's 75 to one 75 to1 Rob can you please play this clip I wish you guys could see it but you you'll be able to hear it Rob go Ahad and play this clip for us please 10 top earning mail models earned a combined total of 8 million from September 2012 12 to September 2013 a fraction compared to the 83 million their female counterparts raked in over the past year sha oy is currently the world's highest paid male supermodel earning 1.5 million last year Gap this and it's there for a reason and it's been there I don't think it can be closed females for example have a lot of platforms that they can use to jump off of like Victoria Secret contracts cosmetic contracts males don't have that but o isn't complaining top 10 8 million versus women 83 million 10 years ago do you think folks do you think it's fair that women top 10 women models make 10 times the amount of money top 10 men make is that fair yes or no do you think it's fair how is that fair why isir so sexist are you not offended by this V I don't like it the market decides men men are visual that's that's one of that's one of the main reasons I left the industry I was like I'm not doing this anymore by the way shout out to Vinnie days Vinnie Vinnie just become trans and go get the paycheck Vinnie mulany ladies and gent there anybody that knows about that it's you will you sponsor my boobs I'll get a really nice I'll get a rack $10,000 today so wait wait wait I I thought Iraq was a country no notq not Iraq anyway so you know you know what is funny though as much as we're having fun with this and we're joking around this is when somebody sits there and says well look who wants to go watch male models the way they want to watch female models you know back in the days there was Mr Universe who follows bodybuilding anybody who knows Mr Olympia no okay back in the days used to be something called Mr Universe and it was something called Miss Universe guess what no longer exists Mr Universe guess what still exists today Miss Universe unfortunately Miss Universe is being ran by man today transwoman I don't know if you guys have seen that video or noten transen trans byen that's right but is it still run he's still he she whatever he's about to go bankrupt he bought it for $20 million he's going bankrupt they don't know what they're going to be doing with it I wonder why this is another example NBA instead of boobs when you show the numbers somebody can look at it and say give me a flipping break it's the market capitalism whatever's getting more eyeballs let them play ball Adam well look this might be a little controversial but this goes down to basically what Charlie always talks about traditional gender rules it's no secret that women through all of history have been be objects and men have been success objects I live in Miami believe me I see fat sloppy dudes worth a billion dollars hanging out with supermodels how did that thing work out if you want to take if you want to look at deeper thing in the numbers because natal and I covered this look at the disparity in the NBA versus the WNBA talking about putting butts in seats the top NBA guy makes $50 million a year okay the top WNBA player gets a pack of tzers and says goes make a layup baby I think she makes maybe a 100 Grand so it's the same if you want to use Sports success as an analogy and a metaphor to what's going on in modeling men in the NBA are making 1050 million a year $5 million is the mid-level exception if you're average 5 million bucks in modeling I think Kendall Jenner Bella Hadid Gigi Hadid these people are making 20 40 $50 million a year where hot bill over here makes a cool Mill and that's all he's going to get what's wrong with hot bill there's nothing wrong with good looking guy for me he's a good looking guy all right let's go to the next story this is the Senate story so Senate Stafford you guys okay with this Charlie I'm coming to you for ready for this dudes oh yeah it's a subject matter I'm really [Music] familiar I'm the subject matter expert Senate staff are alleged by conservative Outlets to no no no you got to dwell on the headline you have to well listen I'm reading what NBC if they say it it's correct right if they said you got to believe them no I know but the fact that what the heck does a conservative Outlet have to do with this Charlie I know you are dying to give us your feedback on this let me first read the story now let me read it you're right fired up folks uh Senate staffer alleged by conservative Outlets to have had sex in a hearing room is no longer employed NBC news so Aiden a senate staff Accused by conserva out and engaging in sexual activity in a senate hearing room has been confirmed as no longer employed by the US Senate according to a statement by you know his office the allegation stem from a video published by The Daily Caller claiming to show a congressional Snapper involved in sexual activity within a senate hearing room now listen I don't know if we want to show this clip or not but I yes Rob Rob has been showing it to me all day listen we're all grown up here we're going to show you the clip and you're going to like it if you haven't seen it we're not going to show it to you I'm sure you've seen it here's a question I got for you when you see some like this okay and by the way did you see his response what he said I I have the whole read his response the most Millennial response it's our fault he had gay sex in the Senate hearing it's homophobic how dare you make this and you will be held accountable by a court of law for judging me and by the way can we at least show an image we don't need to see the video no no no so uh this has been a difficult time for me as hold I'm going to read it like him as I've been attacked for who I love to pursue this political agenda while some of my actions in the past have shown per judgment I love my it would never disrespect my workplace any attempts to characterize my actions otherwise are fabricated all right and I will see by exploring what legal options are available to me in these matters wait wait fabrication no no called fornication Tom that's what it is thoughts on this charart yeah man this is Sodom I mean pure and simple this is Sodom and Gomorrah stuff I mean we will be judged I mean the the desecration the depravity of what was once sacred but honestly this is a pattern the what is Holy and in Hebrew holy means separate elevated is being desecrated on a daily basis Joe Biden had uh alleged not alleged but not this like transgender stripper goes topless on the White House lawn alleged by conservative no no no me meaning alleged being I don't use the word transgender I think it's all fake but um the the right there right the Joe Biden stripper on the White House lawn they had that was trans day right or Pride day they had the pride flag Center Stage uh Dylan Mulaney is given special access into the White House cocaine is being done in the west wing it shouldn't surprise us that Senate staffers are not just having gay sex in the Senate hearing room they are filming it they're filming it and then he has the G yeah or some Anatomy it's our fault Patrick how dare you how dare dare you you you made me do this look what you made me do look what you made me do you made me have live by the way let me just be hold on one a second this is this is a pattern I'm seeing from the media the very similar look at the political Story by the way of the Virginia House candidate it came out recently Virginia House candidate sex tape um this whole profile piece in Politico yep that's right here uh no should be more recent yeah this is it her online sex life was exposed she lost her election now she's speaking up nowhere do they mention she live streamed it she live Streed her sex life they didn't find it on some sort of internet thing Rob get the link she posted no stop it stop it this is a family by the way can somebody help find Vin and Adam a wife please this is America Fest familyfriendly wholesome got it think homeschool okay that's America Fest this we're out of Miami okay got it what's wrong with Miami Charlie no there's plenty wrong with Miami anyway the point is this is a pattern okay the degeneracy the depravity ask you a question Charlie how how does the enemy how does the enemy process this so let let's just say x China Iran Russia looks at us good what do you think they see what does the see this so I we know it I mean if you read Putin's speeches again I'm not like a big Putin fan but you should know he uses it as an internal rallying cry to consolidate power and this is something that we need to talk I said this all along that the subtext of the Ukraine war is like gay agenda versus traditional if you read the actual Russian Federation speeches Putin says they're transing their kids and they're chemically again I'm not aan of Russia it's not a free Society it's not an ideal Society but it's true that the trans thing is pushed by NATO it's pushed by our Intel agen the pride flag is shown prominently by our government and if you look if you actually read deeper the spokesperson for zalensky was a transperson for the last two years so in some ways Russia uses this as an excuse to say hey people of Russia I guarantee you and they're by the way they're going to show this like non-stop if you R watch RT which I don't if you watch any of these Russian television stuff I guarantee you they're going to say see look at the Americans this is why we have to reject the West you have to understand the The Narrative going on in the East is that America is the leader of modernity and modernity gets you the following gets you live stream gay sex in your Capital it gets you lots of suicide it gets you a lot of depravity it gets you lower birth rates it gets you pornography it gets you transgendering of kids some of that is true some of it's an exaggeration but what do our enemies the easy answer is that they're laughing at us no no no no you just gave Vladimir Putin a gift where he is now going to give a speech and say by the way the people financing this war against you where you people of Russia where they took the vote at night they are live streaming gay sex that's what this war is all about yeah it is the internal rallying Cry of the Kremlin and and by the way it's such an easy argument to make to make fun of the enemies like look at these clowns over there in America they was one say no it's not a mockery though they use it as fear the people of Russia actually they don't laugh at it they're like yes pu and stay in power because we don't want that here and so it it laughter yes but it's more like they use it as this is coming when they hear Lady Graham Lindsey Graham say we're going to come after you know this is a war of offense what they Lindsay Graham AB kachar Ukraine war of offense a couple years ago um I didn't mean to interrupt you Patrick but what I'm getting at is the mockery by some but the rank and file people of the Mainland of Russia are terrified that the overtly aggressive gay agenda is going to come into Russia and this certainly helps the argument look right there the sarin Ashton cerillo is a person born a man who became a became a woman who thinks are a woman who is the spokesperson of the Ukrainian Armed Forces the true conflict unfolding in Ukraine is the trans agenda the excesses of modernity and traditionalism that doesn't mean I'm on the side of Putin that doesn't mean I'm on the side of the Russian Federation but you have to understand that is what is rallying Russians domestic I fully agree with you Charlie because two things can be true at once number one Putin is a thug and dictator and obviously an enemy of the United States but we're embarrassing ourselves when we are endorsing and Co signing the lgbtq I A plus whatever parts of the alphabet you want to throw in there so yes he's wrong yes he's a bad guy but yes he has a point he does have a point like I mean are we allowed to have a thought crime that like Putin has a point are you allowed to say that no you can't he's the worst person ever course that doesn't mean we're endorsing here's a fact Russia has said it's illegal to have transgender surgeries for kids good for Russia good honestly that's a good thing people say no everything Russia does is bad like that what a stupid way to look at the world yeah like no it's good and by the way there's some things Russia that doesn't do do so I got in this debate and they say well Russia puts their political opponents in jail yeah you're right we would we would never put our political dissident in general we would never have Googs or have Donald Trump face 700 years in federal prison or lock up people because of thought crimes are making memes you're right Russia is so bad that we would never put political dissidence in federal prison or kick down their doors with or kick down their doors or have a drag net because someone took a selfie in the capital maybe we're actually more like Russia than Russia is well you interviewed one of the most famous Russian athletes ever the UFC fighter fighter um norov what's it what does he go by kabib and you asked him how many genders are in Russia he probably like laugh he thought about it for like literally a half a second what did he say I I asked him I said in America we're very competitive we have like a 100 different genders how many genders you guys got in Russia and he said we only have two it's kind of disappointing at first you like I thought Russia would be more competitive but they have something called common sense and they believe in science the real signs not the kind of signs that were being by the way I just want to say one last thing I think it's sick and disgusting that these guys did this in the Senate hearing Room everybody knows what should happen everybody knows that's what goes down in the house what should happen well he's he got fired but I don't think the the the senator that he works for I mean he's saying Senator Ben Carden Ben card personal matter should criminally charged for defecating the Holiness and the sacred tradition of our legislative body he should be put in federal prison for having gay sex and filming it yeah cuz January January 6th was an Insurrection what was this Tom sort of an aurre but no but if and and and no it's just by the way so did you know this too Charlie he actually did another photo this came out today on Laura lum's uh on her page he's taking a photo at work like this from behind with the mirror saying I'm waiting in my office for Lindsey Graham to show up he post that somebody searched in his like went back he was posting all that stuff at work back in the day and guess what Vinnie what Lindsey Graham showed up he probably did that's for sure by the way Charlie got to ask you this disgusting horrible what have you what happens if it wasn't gay sex if it was of course it's still an a it still be a federal crime course it's desecrating of course it is absolutely but here's what bothers so many people about the point of it is that he he probably thought he could get away with it because like the whole gay agenda gets special rights right now in this sick world okay so let's be honest like and then then he plays victim like oh I feel so sad for like wow like that is weaponized n me ask you let's do this let's say but yes to answer your question would be wrong let's say a trump was president today and that happened well he doesn't control Congress but yeah but what what do you think what would you think his first reaction would be if that were to happen What would he say what would he I would live for that tweet oh my God I I don't even want I mean I would just it would be it would be it would be Michelangelo material it would would be something that we remember 600 years from now and we display in the streets of Florence and we say You Remember When Donald Trump reacted to the gay sex film in it would be a wing smithonian with exctly I don't even want to guess I don't even want to guess what it would and mind you guys he would tweet something like her here things are happening in the Senate right now he would do something like that demic Democrats he was just he was fired he hasn't been charged or anything he should be no he's Democrat at him he'll be fine trust me he got fired cuz they have to fire him see what happen he did is worse than what 99% of the people on January 6 what he did is worse than what 99% of the people did on January by the way that's not even that make of a shocking statement it's I'm going to get clipped that's why I repeated it for the degenerates at Media Matters that probably enjoyed the video yeah let's let's talk about let's transition into the next topic I thought transition was a right appropriate War to you here mortgage payments on new homes have risen 90% under Biden's presidency 90% in 3 years average monthly mortgage payments on new homes have surged by 90% since the start reaching 3322 in the third quarter of this year driven by interest rates exceeding 7% of rising housing prices the Federal Reserve aggressively aggressive strategy to raise the rates has caused it to be where it's at right now Tom 90% so if somebody was paying 1,600 bucks a month 1,700 bucks a month now they're paying $3,300 a month H H how the average and then they say the econom is doing better gas prices are doing better all these things are doing better how does the average middle income family afford raising mortgage rates by 90% well first of all the government likes to tell a um One Truth and One Lie the that is inflation is down the economy is fine no it's not the truth is inflation is coming down the LIE is it's not good in the economy because all prices haven't come down houses have gone up in value and new houses that have been built so you have Construction in cities building new homes out there people are trying to get out there so the house is a bit more expensive and then the interest rates are more expensive because the FED raised interest rates very aggressively over the course of a year to tame inflation you raise the interest rates and inflation eventually comes down um I won't go deeper into that but what has happened is now people go out to buy a new home a starter home or something and the interest rate has effectively doubled the payment in some places with a national average of 90% so it's like this is Biden nomics but all the all the government will say hey interest rate excuse me inflation is down the economy is fine no it's not fine this is a net new change and people now can't afford a home Tom the stock market the other day with Jerome Powell got up Market rallied up five 600 points in a single day what did Jerome pal say on that day that got the market to respond the way that it did I think inflation is reacting to the the interest rates going up so I think over the course of the next year interest rates can gently come down but they're not going to go back down to where they were they're just going to today mortgages are like seven and a half depending on what you want to look at and by the end of the year next year all things held constant although we have a giant election in the middle of this they think that interest rates will be down at 5 and 3/4 6% or something so the market was like woohoo it's going to cost us a little bit less for companies to borrow money over the course of next year and interest rates are not going to go up any further so I called the market to get happy because they're thinking about big companies borrowing money to buy new factories machines for the factories and it's going to cost a little less because the interest rates will be down a little bit predictably over next year but it doesn't mean a lot for the consumer because they're not coming back down to some bottoming out that's going to take pay mortgage payments back to where they were two years ago so I've been following this story very closely because I'm constantly having conversations whether it's better to buy whether it's better to rent and you know who's done the best job of basically highlighting what's going on America right now Wall Street Journal if you pull up Wall Street Journal you'll see the headlines saying things like there's never been a worst time to buy okay and also headlines like the math just does not add up to buying a home right now could it be any clear uh 47 of the top 50 metros in America there's never been a worse time to buy instead show the chart below by the way there's aart below if you can find that in 47 of the to at you 47 of the top 50 metros in America it is significantly ,000 or more cheaper to rent you're talking La Phoenix Miami DC Boston New York NE City there's three Metro areas where it is actually financially better cheaper to buy what are those three things Pittsburgh uh Birmingham Alabama damn right and then I think um Jacksonville Florida I want to say but but the the reality is if at this point in your life if you're looking to rent or buy and you're not a person that sort of has those 3% mortgages been grandfathered in it's not even a debate at this point the math is not on your side couple that with the fact that mortgage rates are at what seven seven and a quarter now I think it went to 6.95 this week the math is not there to buy whatsoever well is it ever is it going to I mean he's saying it might go down if everything stays the same in a year but Tom it'll never ever go back to what we were used to I I think what it would take to go back to what we were used to is not something is something we've experienced once before which is a cataclysmic event in the economy that no one wants to see what you also have to remember here is for so long and I think this is something I've been saying over and over again uh on the podcast and other places it has been beaten into people's head that being a renter or renting is somehow a dirty word no it's not it can be a it's a personal financial choice where you can actually conserve your resources be more flexible of where jobs might be or not be and be able to move and versus and then taking savings out that might be earning some interest and permanently embedding them in your house that might not go up in value and also you know the difference there is just the payment once that the value of the house has gone up as if you're going to own that house if the hail damages the roof you know that's yours to repair well let me add one more thing there's the mathematical side of things and there's the emotional side of things so we've all been told forever and ever that the American dream is to basically own a peace of America own a home right 94% of Americans believe 94% of Americans believe that owning a home is a fixture in the American dream but yet less than half believe they'll ever be able to afford a home so what's happening to the American dream people say the American dream is dead the American dream is dead the American dream especially for young people Everyone that listens to Turning Point USA with Charlie here all the college students out here the American dream is not dead it has just changed it's all about Mobility it's about all about flexibility and it's all about low overhead so what does that mean when you build when you when you buy a house what's the goal right to build equity in your house so if you're just renting and you can't and you don't have a mortgage you don't have a house and you can't build equity where can you build equity well your Investment Portfolio your digital wallet hell even your savings account build that bad boy up and when the market turns in two 5 10 years boom your cash Rich you can buy something at that point and maybe you have a few extra dollars to support your church private school or Turning Point things that are doing good stuff in America great plug Tom you're hired Tom that's it Tom is hired officially campaigner for all let's go to that with all my heart actually let's go let's go to the next story here Rob do you want to pull up the picture with uh the second greatest basketball player of all time LeBron James can you just pull out this picture real quick I just have to put that up there so that's LeBron they're singing a national anthem you see everybody with their hands on their chest except for the guy with the pink sweater which is kind of weird but he's sitting down LeBron and he walks up doesn't stand up at all doesn't stand up for the national anthem sits down doesn't get up nothing Kobe has something to say about a Rob do you have the Kobe Covington clip and I don't know if you've seen this or not Rob can we even play this or not he's fighting tonight but pbd I uh I I disagree no Kobe's the second greatest basketball player LeBron you put Kobe head or LeBron LeBron's a brat he's awful you put Kobe head of LeBron absolutely okay but that's a different debate I'm actually very impressed by you saying that I'm very impressed by that not even close but I want you to play this clip and and folks I I if you hear what he has to say I'm I'm curious to get your reaction go ahead Rob can we hear Rob if you hate America so much and and you don't like this country go back a little bit yeah go for it play again can you turn my mic on if you hate America so much and and you don't like this country that gave you a billion dollars leave it or come deal with me you go go to China go to go to these sweat shops that you employ all these laborers and use these women and pay them Pennies on the dollar to make your Millions you Lam James you're a coward you're a spineless coward and you're a by the way I don't know if he said Lan James or Lebron James but I think he was trying to say fact that he didn't say it right even makes me like him more that's the best part that's the best part he didn't even respect enough to say his name here's a question for you here's the question for you say the average person's watching and saying listen man you got 200 other stories to pick from you're choosing this why is it such a big deal to stand up for you know the the you know the Ovation that they're doing why why should he stand up for it why is it so important for National anth it's a huge story why is that it's a huge story because it's a micro of the macro the macro is we have the richest people that have benefited so great from this country that are filled with ingratitude and they've become bitter brats now is it is it like civilizational altering that he didn't stand or not but no it's a picture it shows you how the people that are worth a billion dollars that have been given so much this country has treated LeBron James so well this country has blessed him Beyond his imagination and he can't even stand because and by the way it's not some like I didn't hear it or not no because he has bitterness in his being like LeBron James has never stopped being this like resentful driven like America systemically racist I think he we obviously know that LeBron James has some like inner demons he has to work out right but contrast that with Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan which again Michael Jordan better basketball player Kobe Bryant better basketball player but also better people I mean M Michael Jordan would never do this are you kidding me Michael Jordan loves his country Michael Jordan bashes victim mentality and LeBron James is going to get away with it because there's this slobbering media that supports whatever LeBron James does and LeBron James is more loyal to the Chinese Communist party if XI ping walked in a room he would say sir yes sir that's his true master and so it is a picture of exactly what the average Elite in America feels which is why should I stand for this there's nothing great about this country and part of why we have this event America Fest is that the everyday person the plumber the electrician the welder the parent the student we are done with the most powerful people using their power on a downward campaign to destroy our country like leave the country LeBron like leave the country you have a billion dollars like we don't need you like the country has not been enriched by your dribbling around and shooting you're not allowed to say that because it's racist I don't care that's what you do okay you have a talent for basketball you're a bad person we don't need you in fact the country probably be better if you went to Mainland China like you I can't think your school is not even functioning in Cleveland like kids are killing other kids you know he's like he's not even a good philanthropies and so look I I get pretty fired up about this because we used to be a nation 100 years ago you could say what you want about Carnegie and rockerfeller and JP Morgan and melon who made billions of dollars the robber barons right say what you want about them but they love the country they loved America rockerfeller loved America JP Morgan loved America now the people that have it best absent Elon Musk he is the exception praise God for him McKenzie Bezos LeBron James Loren pal jobs Reed Hoffman Mark bennyhoff Reed Hastings they don't love the country that gave them so much and we are here in America Fest that say go to hell go to hell we're taking back this country yeah great Point Charlie Adam yeah I I mean this isn't I don't know what LeBron's going to do but this is an inflection point in his career and his life if LeBron actually loved America and he actually paid attention to what people are saying about him this would be a great time for him to say look I'm LeBron James I love the hell out of America this made me the billionaire this made me the man I am imagine LeBron giving a speech like like that like Jordan famously said I don't pick sides Democrats Republicans why because Republicans buy tennis shoes too but LeBron is an opportunity here to be like you know what F all of you I love America but I don't see that speech coming of that's the problem and then I'll add one more thing and shout out to you guys here and this is the problem that I have with my Democrat buddies out there it's become abundantly clear that Republicans and conservatives love America more than liberals and certainly more than progressives and that's Bas hate America that's a bad thing man America Fest should be people of all political affiliations if we had this event 50 years ago we would have Kennedy Democrats and Rockefeller Republicans it's not good that America Fest is partisan it's 100% it's true it's real but like loving the country is considered radical and hating the country is considered fashionable yeah you get extra tokens and points in Aspen Elite Society if you hate America you get you're at like weird looks if you say this country is amazing are you saying you're not going to askp him for Christmas oh no I I don't I'm invited to a lot of Aspen parties at New Year's on Red Mountain Patrick these people that go to Aspen you got to be careful with by the way bunkport Martha's Vineyard Aspen Sun Valley I've been to all your vacation not that nice guys don't follow my Instagram stories during Christmas you are one of the elites PB but you but you made a good point Charlie and it's like he's obviously the the China situation we see with other athletes too who was the who was the WWE guy that John Cena John Cena stuck up for Taiwan he had to speak in mandering to the camera and apologize to the to his to his Masters and you nailed it and it's just I'm sick and tired of this anti like by the way he joined the NBA when he was in high school LeBron what what struggle what what what have we done so wrong to and I think when Trump God willing Trump wins that attitude of people saying like a b Midler or Barbara strien or share if Trump wins I'm leaving this country we have to put in law that if you said that get the out when when it happens you got to leave you said it your word is binding Bye by the way I want to contrast that with something though that the attitude here if the bad guys win we're not going anywhere nope that's what makes us different is that I'm going to raise my grandkids here yeah it might get like to be a a dystopian hellscape I'm not leaving you can't force me out I'm never going to give up I'm going to be an annoying mosquito in your ear for as long as I have not going to leave yes that's Charlie's Wolf of Wall Street speech right there I love it which I love but I I I I'm the what's going on with Jen Z when he we see them sort of parading for Hamas there's