Charlie Kirk Defends Trump's Character and Challenges Liberal Interpretation of Faith and Welfare at Texas A&M

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[00:46] All right. I didn't I didn't even say

[00:47] anything yet. Um

[00:48] you guys have too much of this cyst

[00:50] thing, I'll tell you.

[00:51] U All right. So, my name is Jared Soul.

[00:53] I'm currently a senior here at&m. Um, I

[00:55] also had a question like I know you

[00:56] talked a lot about like your faith kind

[00:58] of driving your politics and how

[00:59] important that is to you and I think

[01:01] when I look at the scriptures and like

[01:02] Jesus in particular, I think there's a

[01:04] lot of admirable things about what Jesus

[01:06] talks about. Um, caring for the poor,

[01:08] uh, trying to heal the sick and things

[01:10] like that. I was just curious like for

[01:12] your faith and political beliefs, like

[01:14] how does that reconcile? Like I feel

[01:16] like taking away and like advocating for

[01:19] reducing welfare and advocating for kids

[01:22] not having free and reduced lunches and

[01:24] not not wanting to expand that program

[01:26] that kind of seems antithetical to the

[01:28] whole message of Jesus in my opinion.

[01:30] Yeah. So you're fine. Fair enough.

[01:32] You're ascribing an intent with our

[01:35] public policy position. Let me be clear.

[01:37] Welfare should be a should be a hand up.

[01:40] It should be a safety net, not a hammock

[01:42] is the best way I could possibly put it.

[01:43] But understand the scripture is equally

[01:45] safe. If a man does not work, he shall

[01:46] not eat. Repeatedly. Paul says it said

[01:47] throughout Proverbs. But I guess the

[01:49] question, we both want to help people,

[01:50] right?

[01:51] What is the best way to help people? So,

[01:53] we have a case study over 60 years. Is

[01:55] it good for people to be permanently on

[01:58] government assistance? No, it's not.

[02:00] It's really bad. It's bad for them. It's

[02:01] bad for their families. It's bad for

[02:02] their psyche, bad for their soul, bad

[02:04] for everyone. So then what is the

[02:06] solution? And we have to ask a question

[02:08] like, has welfare, since we've started

[02:09] this project in the '60s, good

[02:11] intentions, made us a better country? It

[02:13] really hasn't actually. So number one, I

[02:16] think a vast majority of what the state

[02:18] does, not the state of Texas, but the

[02:20] state should and can be done by churches

[02:23] and local municipalities. I fully agree

[02:26] that we should help every, you know,

[02:27] help anyone that in need. But the first

[02:29] cause to do that should be private

[02:31] charities and churches, not the

[02:33] government. We should not outsource our

[02:34] compassion to the federal government. It

[02:37] should be first and foremost the local

[02:39] churches. Secondly,

[02:40] would you say that the church should do

[02:41] more than they currently do?

[02:42] Say that again. I can't hear what you're

[02:43] saying. Do you call for the church to do

[02:44] more than they currently do?

[02:46] Oh, of course. Absolutely. But but this

[02:47] is what's important. The church does

[02:49] less as the state does more. We see this

[02:52] in Europe. Europe basically has shrunk

[02:55] the church where it is just a husk of

[02:57] its former self and it's basically do a

[03:00] couple services and they do almost very

[03:01] little charity. And the reason being is

[03:03] because the government is so big and

[03:05] they'll just say, "Oh, the government

[03:06] will provide the healthcare and the

[03:07] government will provide this and that."

[03:09] So this the church doesn't feel

[03:10] compelled to do that. said differently,

[03:12] the bigger the government, the smaller

[03:13] the church. So when you grow government,

[03:15] your church becomes small. We want a big

[03:17] church and a small government. We want

[03:19] the church to be more involved, more

[03:20] active. And so if I were just and and I

[03:22] think we both want to help people. So

[03:24] hypothetically, would I rather have

[03:26] somebody go to a church to go get fed or

[03:29] rather get food stamps? 10 out of 10

[03:31] times to a church. More human

[03:33] connection. They might get saved in the

[03:34] process. It's better for the church.

[03:36] It's better for everybody than just a

[03:37] faceless EBT card that quite honestly is

[03:41] nothing more than just a like digital

[03:43] transaction.

[03:43] So I think both of us would agree that

[03:45] the churches should do more to help

[03:46] those in need.

[03:47] Now can I ask one more thing I want to

[03:49] say? Um

[03:50] like I feel like someone embodying like

[03:53] Christ and a leader is important. So

[03:55] like as far as Donald Trump like what

[03:57] Christlike characteristics do you feel

[03:59] like he embodies? I feel like often

[04:01] times he uses hateful rhetoric or kind

[04:03] of the Bible talks about like the meek

[04:05] shall inherit the earth. I don't really

[04:06] see a lot of meekness in his character.

[04:08] Do you agree with that or is

[04:10] if if we're saying that is Donald Trump

[04:12] humble? No. Um

[04:14] but we're honest here. Yeah.

[04:15] I mean like but I also will say so I'm

[04:18] going to put this on you for a second.

[04:19] Can you can you think of anything

[04:20] admirable or Christlike that he's

[04:22] embodied?

[04:23] I mean I guess you could say he's bold.

[04:25] There you go. That's a fairly bold.

[04:27] He's a bold person.

[04:28] I would say he's courageous. I would say

[04:29] that he's a truth teller.

[04:31] I don't know if I agree with the truth

[04:32] teller part, but he is a bold person.

[04:34] Remember, they get mad at Trump not

[04:36] because of the lies. It's because of the

[04:38] truth that he tells they get really

[04:39] really mad. Remember,

[04:41] we don't we don't have to debate that.

[04:42] But we that's not that's not where this

[04:45] conversation is going. I don't want to

[04:47] derail it. But I would like Trump showed

[04:50] courage under fire literally in a very

[04:52] miraculous way. I will say this though,

[04:54] we all fall short of the glory of God

[04:56] when we try to elect political leaders.

[04:57] You're not trying to have a church elder

[04:58] board elected. You want to be president

[05:00] of the United States. Are there examples

[05:01] of people in the scriptures that might

[05:03] be a little rough around the edges that

[05:05] might be, let's just say, a little bit

[05:08] um difficult to understand that were

[05:10] also considered holy or good or

[05:11] faithful? Well, one I would I would

[05:13] posit to you is a man who made the Hall

[05:15] of Faith in the book of Hebrews is a guy

[05:17] who also had great hair. Samson. Uh

[05:19] Samson. Donald Trump and Samson both

[05:21] great hair. Samson was literally in a

[05:24] prostitute's bed when the spirit of the

[05:26] Lord came upon him and told him to

[05:28] basically go to war for the people of

[05:29] Israel because they were not willing to

[05:30] fight for themselves. Took a jaw, a

[05:32] donkey, and go and killed a bunch of

[05:33] Philistines. And what Samson was, he was

[05:35] ready, he was willing, he was able. So

[05:37] look, of course, Donald Trump has

[05:38] faults. I have faults. But I will say

[05:40] this that to have a president that does

[05:43] things in advancement of our value

[05:45] system, not just says things, I would

[05:48] consider be far better for those of us

[05:49] as Christians than, and I'm going to

[05:51] make some enemies here, than somebody

[05:53] like George W. Bush, who said all the

[05:56] right stuff, but he never spoke at the

[05:58] March for Life and gave us questionable

[06:00] Supreme Court justices and gave us

[06:02] unfortunately a very reckless foreign

[06:04] war in Iraq that caused a lot of unjust

[06:06] human suffering. So the question is and

[06:10] it's something to think about would you

[06:12] rather let's say it's George W. Bush or

[06:14] Donald Trump George W. Bush says the

[06:15] right stuff you know he's more

[06:18] Christlike in that presentation way but

[06:20] how he governed was actually I would say

[06:23] oppositional to what I would want. Guess

[06:25] I just also put a lot of value on the

[06:27] way that you present things and the way

[06:28] that you make people feel with the words

[06:30] you say and like speaking like like

[06:32] words like the Bible talks about like

[06:34] speaking life with your words and I feel

[06:36] like Donald Trump often does not speak

[06:38] life with his words and I get your point

[06:39] like it's all about action like actions

[06:41] speak louder than words.

[06:42] Words matter but action matter words

[06:43] isn't biblical which kind of is the like

[06:45] that doesn't represent what you feel

[06:47] like morality and the way that countries

[06:48] should be dictated.

[06:49] Well let let's play that out. So it's

[06:51] actually both. So what did Christ say

[06:53] were the two commandments, the two

[06:54] teachings that of all the cult teachings

[06:57] matter? They were actually action

[06:59] related. Love your neighbor as yourself

[07:01] and love the Lord your God with your

[07:03] heart, soul, strength and mind. Those

[07:04] are both action related. And so do words

[07:07] matter? Of course words matter. But I

[07:09] would argue the Bible actually does have

[07:11] a heavy heavy emphasis on action, on

[07:14] doing good and helping the poor and

[07:16] healing the sick, not just words. Words

[07:18] do matter. I totally agree. But words

[07:20] without action or words given more

[07:22] preference than action, I actually don't

[07:24] necessarily think is biblical.

[07:26] Okay, I understand that.

[07:27] Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks for

[07:28] your time. Thanks so much.