Charlie Kirk Defends Trump's Justice, Abortion Rights, and January 6 Pardons at University of Tennessee Campus Dialogue

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What Russia did was wrong without a doubt. >> Yeah. So, do you not believe that we should continue monetary support to Ukraine? >> No. I mean, a lot of countries do things wrong. That doesn't mean we should be involved, right? I mean, Syria right now is killing a bunch of Christians. It's getting almost no press attention. There's a civil war right now in Africa that's getting almost no press attention. Not every conflict warrants American involvement. And right now, President Trump is trying to broker a peace settlement between Russia, Ukraine, which is the right move. And our perspective as conservatives is as follows. The amount of money we spent on Ukraine is about $300 billion so far. And during Biden, we didn't spend any money on our own southern border while we were being invaded on a daily basis. President Trump is instead saying American borders matter a lot more than the borders of Russia and Ukraine. Uh, so I definitely agree that the president of the United States should focus on America first, but I just feel that and I and I agree that we should honestly I agree that Europe needs to up their spending for the defense of Ukraine because it's right on their border. But I think that no matter where it is in the world, supporting somebody who I would believe is doing the morally right thing is the right thing to do. >> Okay. So I I that that's a fair position. I guess the question is at what point would you consider to be a success because right now Russia has more territory than it otherwise would have if we would have had a ceasefire a couple weeks in. Uh when when is it enough money to spend? We're at $300 billion. I mean we're not willing to send US troops, right? I mean that would probably be a fair line. >> Yeah. >> So what would success look like? >> That that is a really hard question. Um I I guess just my biggest the thing that I think of first is there's like that fear of I think that a peace treaty would go in the favor of Russia. And while I don't think like if we continue the support the war will continue and that's more lives being lost. I just think that it's it's a hard middle ground to find and I feel like Trump especially with the meeting with Zalinski just to the world shows more of a support to Russia than previous administrations. So, let me tell tell you how we view it. Uh, we've we thought Zilinsky was completely out of line. By the way, do you like my Zilinsky outfit, everybody? What do you think? I I I meant no disrespect to the University of Tennessee, but I thought I'd do my best Zalinski outfit. I'm a little taller, though. Don't you think I'm a little taller than Zilinski? I'm giving you a hard time. Um, first first and foremost, I I won't nitpick too much, but I will say if you do go into the Oval Office, you should wear a suit and tie. I I that that's my own personal perspective. I I understand his country's at war. That's just a little bit of a nitpicking. I'll be honest. I think that if you go into the sacred and I' I've had the honor to go in the Oval Office a couple times. I think you should dress up in a suit and tie. I think it's just a basic common courtesy. But that's not the bigger issue. The bigger issue is that Zalinsky in that meeting, we believe, and I encourage you to watch all 40 minutes. Uh >> yeah, you have. Good. Uh it it started pretty tepid and then it heated up and outside of Vice President Vance's back and forth on did you say thank you, there was this kind of insistence on Zalinski saying no, we really don't want peace. We really don't like that the idea of peace was almost a non-negotiable. >> I mean I think he views it Sorry, I didn't mean to. >> No, that's fine. Please. >> I I feel like he views it as a surrender and I think that's a fair position for him to take. >> Yeah. Well, so he has a choice. So and America then has a choice. So Zalinsky can keep on fighting. Here's some facts. The average age of a Ukrainian military member is 43 years old. They have basically destroyed the young men of their country. There's hundreds of thousands of young men that have died, millions that have fleeed their nation. The average age is 43. So they're doing conscripts of people in their late 40s and early 50s to go to the front lines. It's a meat grinder. So he can keep that going. But for what? To win back some land that you may or may not win. Then it's America's perspective. When we come at the perspective that number one, blessed are the peacemakers. Number two, what is good for our own country? And the Russian Ukrainian war has been bad for us at every turn. We're losing the US dollar as the world reserve currency status. It is getting us further and further away from having a back channel to Russia. It's actually put Russia and China closer together. And finally, the amount of money spent. You guys in this audience, you are going to inherit a nation that is $35 trillion in debt where we are sending money overseas and not securing over our own citizens. peace would then hopefully limit that from some permanency. And I I'll just say one final thing and we can, you know, disagree on this. It's easy to say it's a surrender, but it would be a victory for the United States to say that we're no longer sleepwalking closer and closer to a thermonuclear war with Russia because Russia is a nuclear arm power. And under Joe Biden, not under Trump, we had Americanmade missiles that were being launched into the interior of Russia. Imagine right now everybody if Russia was launching missiles into the interior of the United States. You opened up your question with a very fairly good faith question. You said why should we view Russia as an enemy? Let me give you more context to that. And I think this is where DC gets things totally wrong. While I don't like Russia, I don't like Putin. It's not a free society. I have no, you know, plans to ever move there or compliment them. I do think it's kind of weird the amount of money and attention that Russia gets when almost nobody in this audience has a friend that you've lost to the Russian government. But you do have a friend or a family member that has died because of the cartels and the Chinese Communist Party with a fentanel coming into our communities. And so a nation has to choose which enemies are you going to focus on because we have a lot of them. Is it North Korea? Is it Iran? Is it Russia? Is it China? I think the Mexican drug cartels have done a lot more damage to the people of Tennessee alongside the Chinese Communist Party than the Russian Federation ever will. So therefore, end the war and focus on our true enemies, the Mexican drug cartels and the Chinese party. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh just a reminder, if you guys disagree, you guys can uh work your way down. Uh and uh yes, we have a a disagreement and a poster and a visual here. >> Oh, yeah. Here's my visual. Hold on one second. And I have a petition. Uh, raise your hand if you're progressive. >> No, we have more. >> I love this school. This is a great school. >> I love this place. >> You don't have a lot of allies here. >> It's going to be a tough crowd. Well, my name is uh Davin Damian. I am non-binary. I am here with the Alliance. >> Hold on. What's up? Can I Can I interrupt you? Yeah, >> guys. Hold on. Hold on one sec. So, we outnumber uh what's your name again? I'm sorry. >> Davin. >> Davin. Uh we outnumber Davin. That's unusual on a college campus. However, let's do something that liberals never do to us. Let's give him I think um courtesy >> they >> uh courtesy that that we don't give them. How about that? Okay. So, is everyone cool with that? All right. So, so let's not heckle. Let's not interrupt. Let's be the ambassadors for freedom of speech. Cool. Okay, please continue. >> I I must say thank you. Thank you for that, Charlie. Um, so I'm here with the Alliance of Male Feminists defending women's bodies. Um, my main question is why are you so obsessed with legislating women's bodies. Um, it seems like you've made it your life mission to remove the choice of the woman and I just want to know why that is. >> Okay. So, your advocacy is male feminists for women's bodies, right? >> Her body, her choice. >> Got it. So maybe we can come to some common ground then before we talk about abortion. Would would you then agree with our position as conservatives that biological women should not have to share locker rooms with biological men? >> Because your position is all about her body her choice. >> Uh I think for the sake of argument I'll say yes. I'll say okay I'm okay with that. >> So let me again give you a further example. Uh, so therefore, you would agree that in sports settings, especially youth sports, but all sports, Tennessee's own Riley Gaines, for example, when she went to go compete at University of Pennsylvania, and had to share a locker room with a biological man, that was wrong because her as a female should be able to have a private space without men coming in there. Right. >> Uh, frankly, you know, I'm an old school feminist and so when I think of all this trans stuff, I think it's kind of wrecked us a little bit. And so I I don't think you'll trap me with that. I think I'm >> I'm not trapping. And by the way, I wish we had more people like yourself that we were willing to speak out. So you deserve credit for that. And I mean that now. So So we did find common ground on that. So now I want to actually approach uh the issue that you came here. So you're accusing me of wanting to >> legislate women's bodies. >> Okay. So do you mean legislate control over women specifically with abortion? >> Taking away her right to choose. >> Got it. Okay. So, I'm sure if I asked this question, the answer will be no. But you would say, does a mother have the right to kill her child, >> not kill, but I what I'm trying to raise awareness right now is that we need to abolish child neglect laws because that forces women to use their bodies even with babies. Now, I'm not saying they should be allowed to kill babies, but I'm saying they should be allowed to let nature just take its course. for example, that we're I'm just saying we we are saying that it's survival of the fittest. And what I'm saying is I think that the MAGA fascist I think you all are winning because because you at least are trying to be consistent on the life issue. But what I'm saying is we need to be as progressive consistent. That's why I've got this this uh petition here to get people to see that we must abolish child neglect laws if we're going to be consistent that it really is her body and her choice. >> So I I I I think uh I think you're doing a very good job exposing the hypocrisy left. I could tell that this is uh a stickick and I will say um it's very effective and I tend to agree with where you're trying to go. what he what he they them whatever is saying is the following which is to abolish child neglect laws is the furthest extrapolation of a pro-abortion view which >> that's consistent >> of course no and I don't know what you actually believe but your satire can sometimes lead you towards truth and you should show what he's what what he or show the poster what he's saying in a way is that in order for the left he doesn't actually believe this this is a shtick >> I got it so Um, but what what he's doing is trying to prove a point that if you are pro-choice, then therefore you should also get rid of child neglect laws because it means you actually don't care for the baby, whether it be in the womb or outside of the womb. >> Forcing women to use their bodies. >> Sure. Got it. So, uh, very good. Thank you and best of luck with your petition. >> Next question. Uh, disagreements welcome. And uh that was quite quite a dialogue. >> Okay. >> All right, everyone. Give uh give it a minute here. As much as I agree with being a progressive liberal, a lot of liberals do not associate with that person. And that sounds rude, but I just want to say that that is not the stance of a lot of liberals. However, my statement slashquest is would you agree slashdisagree that the make America movement, make America great movement again, you know, magnet movement is a cult. No. Uh, why don't you explain to me in the audience what is a cult? >> Of course. Okay. Do you know any characteristics of a cult? >> Um, sure. I mean, you could take the Jonestown death cult, uh, of which there was a, I don't know, a a a charismatic leader that constantly lied people and they took them out of everyday normal life and leads them towards ostraization and cutting off of family ties. Am I am I getting closer to describing Democrat party? >> According to the No, what I'm talking about is MAGA. >> According to the Buane Cook University website, characteristics of a cult include isolating members and criticizing them for leaving. Would you say that members of the MAGA movement will criticize others for leaving? >> Well, yeah. I mean, but you guys criticize players that transfer out of the University of Tennessee football team. That's not a cult. >> Okay. What about the absolute authoritarianism without meaningful um accountability? >> Okay. So, what you're trying to say is that like what the leader says, the leader gets basically Trump. We we have lots of disagreements in the MAGA movement. In fact, I'm more pro-life than the president is. In fact, a lot of people in this audience would have differing views maybe on where the president is at on Israel or Gaza or Ukraine or Russia. In fact, some people in this audience might say the president is not as pro- second amendment as they would like. I would argue that we actually have far more intellectual diversity in the MAGA movement than your traditional Democrat party. I see where you're going with this and sitting that not every person who I guess supports Trump is fully supportive of him, but I'm saying the MAGA movement who would agree with him no matter what. >> Well, I again I actually think that there's more depth and complexity to the MAGA movement than you would imagine. A lot of people here who would consider themselves to be part of the MAGA movement, they won't blindly sign on to everything that Trump does. However, they will say that they agree with them eight out of 10 times or nine out of 10 times. And so I would say though, you know what was a cult, what was a cult is what we lived during during co during co and allow me to build out the argument that no matter what the CDC or Anthony Fouchy would say, you would have the little talking heads on television parrot it back. No matter how insane it was, we must close the schools. Six feet to slow the spread. Wear a mask while showering. Okay, I made that one up. But I mean, the point being is that that far more had characterizations of what a cult would be than the traditional Make America Great Again movement. >> Okay. But you could also argue the side that Fox News does the exact same thing where they just regurgitate everything that the I guess the right media is saying and people on the right will believe anything Fox News says. And I'm not defending CNN. I'm not saying the Democratic party is perfect. I'm just saying that there is a movement of conservative people who support Trump who will do it no matter what. >> Yeah. So, I'm trying to get to where where you have come to this opinion. I'm trying to understand it because I see something completely different. >> I do not listen to I do not use CNN as my new source, by the way, just so you know. >> Good for you. Um, apparently you haven't been in an airport recently because the only people that watch CNN is if you're walking through an airport. Um, so I I I'm trying to understand where you're coming from. And by your own definition of a cult, >> it's not my own. It's a legitimate >> Fine. So, let me ask you a question. >> A cult would probably convince people to do something that would be against their humanity. Would you agree? >> Yes. A cult would probably get people to do something that they know is wrong even though they think they should do something is right. >> Maybe because some of these people are brainwashed into believing certain things that they don't actually agree with because they don't have the proper information. >> So for example, would you agree that when the Democrats sat during the State of the Union address to not applaud a kid with brain cancer, that is cult-like behavior? because their leader told them not to do it. I mean, >> well, who who told them not to? >> Exactly. I mean, their leadership told them. >> So, who's their leader? >> Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeff? They had strict orders. Do not stand in applaud for anything Trump does. They told us this. >> And so then Trump says, hey, can we just have a moment of non-political? Here's DJ Daniel. He's dying of brain cancer. He's now a ceremonial member of the Secret Service. and every Democrat sat with their arms crossed, not even being able to show the humanity. I mean, that's a cult. >> Okay. [Music] To respond to that, that is simply one example. And I'm sure you can pull a bunch other, but and I'm not saying that the Dem what the Democratic party did that night was correct. I believe that what they were doing was standing against Trump's hypocrisy and his narcissism and his way of like making himself look good by grabbing not grabbing by like using other people who are marginalized to make himself look good. >> So here's my suggestion and take it for whatever it's worth. uh calling the opposition political movement a cult when the other one that you happen to be more allied with is obviously much more of a cult is not helpful. >> Okay, then tell me tell me how it's a cult. Tell me how the Democratic Party compared to >> MAGA. I'll give you another I mean you asked me for more examples. >> Yes. >> The day of the State of the Union address, all 22 Democrat senators repeated the very same video on social media mindlessly like robots. >> What video? the video where they said something is effing out of control and this is not right. You guys all saw that video repeating the same incantation with not even like an iota of creativity or ingenuity. Like just repeating it like as if they've been hypnotized into a >> got it. >> I have not seen that video. >> Well, you should. Um, but again, I'm not even the one that is up here throwing around the cult word towards the Democrat party. I just think it's a supremely rich accusation to say the MAGA movement is part of a cult when evidently based on the own standard that you put forward, the Democrat party embodies those characteristics far more than Republicans or conservatives ever have or ever will. So, one of the main aspects of a cult is a leader, a charismatic leader that people will follow blindly no matter what. The leader of the MAGA movement is Trump. Who are you stating the leader of the Democratic Party is that people will follow blindly without questioning no matter what. >> Well, hold there's >> and I'm hearing tons of different examples, so that can just tell you there's not one. >> Okay. Again, so it could be Obama. It could be Rachel Matto. I mean, the the point the point being is that I don't even think it's the strongest argument to call either party a cult. That's not why I'm up here. I I'm simply just playing the same frequency that you're coming at. That based on the definition, the Democrat party is far more mindless and you and and far more of a Borg to use a Star Trek analogy than the Republican party or the conservative movement. And so, but here's something I do want to ask though. If you are positing that it is a cult, do you think this entire audience is part of a cult and they don't realize it? >> I think that my statement was the make America great, make America great again movement is a cult. I'm not saying the conservative party is. I'm saying the farright MAGA movement is a cult. I will say that I believe in my heart that there are certain people in this group who could be characterized as someone who is in a cult. [Applause] [Music] Okay. Um I mean I think that's insane and >> I I also it's also I I'm not here to give Democrats advice, but it's so destructive to our politics to call people that just won a national electoral landslide and the national popular vote as part of a cult. Maybe instead it should be maybe they have better ideas than we do. Maybe they just >> maybe they had billions of dollars to put into their campaign funding that got them >> the awareness. >> Hold on. I mean, you seem well-intentioned. So, who spent more money in this election, Kla Harris or Donald Trump? >> It's not even close. It's 3 to one more money was spent by Kla and her affiliated super PACs than Donald Trump. Do you have the numbers? >> Yeah, you can go to opensecs.org. You can look at all the outside groups, the hard money that Kamla raised, the super PACs that they raised. Democrats, by the way, do you know that eight out of 10 of the wealthiest counties in America vote Democrat? Do you know the wealthier you are in America, the more likely you are to be a member of the Democrat party? That the more if you work with your hands and you don't graduate from college, that you're less likely to be a Democrat. Now, one of your, you know, fellow cult members just screamed at me from the the audience saying, "Well, that's because, you know, they're so educated." Do never conflate everybody credentials with an education. Just because you have a lot of degrees does not mean you have the most important thing, wisdom. Wisdom is different than a credential. Now, I could tell that you're coming after this from a good perspective. So, my last homework assignment for you is this. I want you to go find five people with a MAGA hat once this event is over and talk to them. And then I want you to say what you said to me. I want you to first accuse them of being in a cult because if you can say it to me, you can say it to them. >> Sure. >> And then I want you to have a good fa faith conversation because we are not going to bring this country together of which is actually our goal here as part of the MAGA movement, which is why we have an open mic. If you go around accusing people as if we're follow following Charlie Manson, >> you just did the same thing to me. Well, in in in all fairness, I said if this is the standard of our dialogue right now, the Democrat party is far more of a cult than the Republican party. That is not a contention that I throw around lightly, but it is you satisfy the requirements way more than the MAGA movement does. >> You haven't asked me enough questions to know that. >> Well, I that's not that has nothing to do with what I've said. >> Yes, it does. I mean, >> you haven't asked me if I would blindly follow some leader of the Democratic party, which is no. I would only follow if I do the in-depth research of an unbiased source to get my information and then I base my opinion off of that. >> Fair enough. Can you give me an example of an unbiased source? >> I mean, like Mayo Clinic or just like any .edu DU source of college information. >> I'll end this if that's your idea of a biased source. >> Off the top of my head, >> you I I would encourage you to dig deeper and be more of a freethinker. >> And I will and I am a freethinker. And I grew up in a conservative household and once I left my parents and their beliefs and I moved to college in a very conservative state, I actually become more progressive. >> Okay. And so how is your relationship with your parents? >> I mean, it's fine. We don't agree on most things, but wait. So they didn't kick you out for having a different opinion that they're terrible cult members. >> Wait, they still love you for who you are. And >> uh >> do they pay your tuition? >> Nope. >> Okay. >> I pay my own tuition. I pay everything on my own. >> Well, good. Then they're even better parents. They make you pay for your own stuff. The point So you can't even point to your own family as being part of a cult. They still love you. They still talk to you. I I would go as far to say and if they're watching this, I do believe that my parents are in a cult. But >> do you understand how damaging that is to go around to say the people who raised you and nurtured you and brought you into the world that you're a cult because some professor told me the definition of a cult in a anthropology course? >> Nope. You're wrong. >> All right. Um, thank you. >> It was nice to talk to you though. >> Thank you for your time. [Applause] Okay, silence. >> Okay, thank you. >> Hi. Um, so I'm not technically I don't go to UT and I'm not the legal age to vote yet. Um, and my parents are divorced and both of my parents have separate political views. My mom's conservative and my dad's a liberal and my mom is always kind of pushing me to bring politics into my life. And I was wondering a should I care and if I should, why? And which parent should I lean more towards? >> Got it. So did you say your mom's liberal? >> Mom's conservative. >> Oh wow. Okay. That's that's opposite I would have thought. Okay. So >> I I see you have a shirt here that says whom whom shall I send? Here I am. Right. Yes. Um which I love. That is the Hebrew word hanei which appears many times throughout the scriptures. uh when Abraham, the binding of Isaac, Moses at the burning bush, the call of Isaiah, the call of Samuel, every believer here in the audience, by the way, the most important thing is to bring Jesus into your life. Let me just make sure I say that. Most important thing, it's way more important than politics. It's the most important thing. >> Amen. >> And so, I encourage every believer out here to learn what that word hain means. It means Lord, use me. Send me. And I could tell you're probably going through a trial right now because your parents are separate and it's not easy. >> So the scriptures are very clear about this. Uh Christianity has a heavy emphasis on honoring your parents. Now to contrast that with the prior questioner, I don't think she's doing a good job of honoring her parents because she's accusing them of being an occult. >> Even this is for very important everybody. Even if your parents share values and views and a worldview that you do not have, you are biblically obligated to honor them, which means to spend time with them and to love on them and to go visit them. Even if they are wearing a black lives matter and in this home that we have no hate and trans lives, you still go and spend time with your parents because if you are incapable in this case of honoring your earthly father, you will never honor your heavenly father. And it's very clear in the Ten Commandments, and I'll get back down to the specific advice. In the Ten Commandments, it is the only commandment. Honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in. It is the only commandment that deals with a promise and your country. You will cease to have a strong country, America, if we do not have kids honoring their parents. you everyone out there every day you you should call your parents on a weekly basis. I know college exists a lot of the times to separate children from the parents. They want to try to separate you from your upbringing. Your parents aren't cool. They don't understand you. They don't share your values. The closer that you stay with your parents, even though you have disagreements, the better you will be and your nation will be. Now, to your to your personal advice, find out what you believe and why you believe it. If a parent ever tells you to do something that is sinful or goes against God, that is a violation of what it means to honor them. It doesn't mean you have to blindly obey them, but you must honor them, which really means to treat them heavily, basically to treat that with a lot of weight. I would instead be close to both of them. It's a very difficult situation. You're going to grow up a lot quicker because of it. Um, and come to your own independent political views and let them be known to each appropriate parent. >> Well, I mean, it's kind of hard. So, how would I express the different views to say my mom or my dad? >> Well, your view should be the same regardless of who you're talking to. So, I think I I you're not you're not old enough yet to vote, so you're still searching. So, instead, I wouldn't even take strong political views. I would say, "Mom and dad, I don't want to talk politics. I just want to talk the Bible." My It's not a political thing, it's a biblical thing. That would be my advice to you. So, every time it comes up like, "Oh, you should support Trump. Oh, you should hate Trump." Say, "You know what? Can we just talk things from scripture? Always go back to fundamental scripture when you're talking to your parents. And when you do that, it could be very disarming. And then you both have something to appeal to. You have a greater truth that then you're able to look at, appeal to, um, and hopefully, you know, get you through this difficult chapter. God bless you. You want a hat? >> Thank you. Sure. >> Thank you. >> Disag Who has a disagreement? Anybody? Yes, ma'am. Uh, we'll go here and then we'll go to Yes, ma'am. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Yeah. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Okay. Can you hear me? Okay. Hi. How are you? >> So, my name is Tis. I'm originally from Washington DC. I'm technically a Democrat, but I have very conservative views because I'm faith-based all the way. Um, so I have a question which is also kind of a disagreement, but I want to build it up. Okay, so of course you just said Jesus is the most important thing for everyone out here. And so can you please explain to everyone out here what Jesus stood for and especially the qualities of love, how to love your neighbor even if they don't agree with you. >> So what what is your name again? >> Tiss. That's a beautiful question. I'm glad you came up to ask it. But I want to also just add something because you're right. Jesus fully embodied two things simultaneously that showed his divine and his godly nature because not thus Jesus said good things. Jesus is Lord, Christ is King, and Jesus is God on top of just being a guy with a lot of good ideas. >> So John 8, if I'm drawing from memory correctly, best embodies both Christ's mercy and love, but also his commitment to truth. And sometimes in the modern gospel, we overemphasize the grace and we underemphasize the truth. >> Yeah. >> And so we are far too willing to say, "Hey, Jesus loves everybody." But we don't get to the second part of the conversation that says, "Jesus doesn't want you to live in sin." >> So this is in John 8, it's best embodied, right? Almost every Christian in this audience will be able to tell you the first part of this, which is a bunch of Sadducees and Pharisees are sitting around standing around with rocks and they're about to stone um the prostitute woman. And Jesus comes up and says, "Let the first among you without sin cast the first stone." And everyone starts dropping the rocks. But what comes next shows that Christ is not just grace focused. He's simultaneously truthfocused. He goes up to the woman who had a career in selling herself for sex and said, "Sin no more." Now imagine today how much trouble you would get in if you would go up to somebody and say, "Stop sinning." That, "Oh, you're being too judgmental." No, no, you're actually being Christlike. So Jesus stood, he was 100% grace and truth. And that tension is very hard in a modern world because we want to overemphasize grace when in reality Christ loves us too much to have us continue to live in sin. He wants us to try to elevate our actions to glorify God in all that we do. >> I agree 100%. Um, and so to build on my question, I really want to talk about DEI. And so with our Christian I will agree with you a lot of I read the Bible for myself so I knew what that scripture said but my question is how can Christian teachings on love equity and justice inform and shape discussions on diversity equity and inclusion in today's society and so to also Jesus hung out with sinners he did not judge he told the truth and so I think that a lot of people in society today when we talk about political views that are opposition we judge them because we saying, "Oh, because you voted for Trump, you you agree on everything." When that's not the case, right? And and I want you to talk about that. I'll start with >> So So, and then I'll connect it to DEI and I'm going to make a case. I don't know if it'll be persuasive to you why I think DEI is unbiblical. And I'm going to try to make that case. Okay? But first, let me talk about let me comment on your astute point, which is that Christ wants us to be around people that are not like us. This is why I go to college campuses. But more and more I go to college campuses, I'm getting a lot of big crowds. So it's kind of unus I used to go here and you know get heckled and have very small crowds. But let me demonstrate this in an unusual way. Almost every person in this audience would say Christ wants us to be salt and light. Now what are the two characteristics of salt and light? They change the environments that they come in contact with. They do not affirm. They do not conform. They change for the better. That's very important everybody. we as Christians are called to change the environment that we come in touch with. Now, as far as DEI and why I believe it's unbiblical. Now, I'm going to go down to just the academic textbook definition of DEI. You might have a different um idea of what DEI is. You might have a different perspective. I'm willing to hear that. But the actual textbook definition as authored by people like Kimberly Krenshaw and Derek Bell as it came out of critical theory is essentially this is that instead of having a goal of race blindness they want a goal of race obsession and race consciousness that we should talk about race more not less. I believe the scriptures tell us firmly in many different verses that I could quote, but one in particular when the Apostle Paul wrote, he said, "Neither slave nor Greek nor Jew, but we are all one in Christ Jesus." Essentially stating that racial differences are indifferent or mean nothing to the almighty God. All that matters to God is not black or white or Republican or Democrat. It's saved or unsaved are the only things that matter to Christ Jesus. So therefore, and let me finish the point, what DEI does through hiring practices, racial quotas, and many other different ways that I could list is that it has an emphasis on things that the Bible does not categorize as important. In fact, it says the exact opposite, that we should only care about character and the soul of an individual, not the melanin content in their skin. >> So, I agree. Well, I actually don't agree because in Acts two, it talks about how when the Holy Spirit came upon the apostles and when the Holy Spirit came into the region that a lot of people who spoke different tongues that they could understand each other. And I think when we talk about the Bible and we talk about the spread of the gospel, you see that these people are going to different regions not only learning about their culture but adapting so that they could again spread the gospel. And I think that is important. And I think people get confused that DEI is only about race. It's it's about learning somebody's background. I'm not from a state. I'm from a territory. DC is not a state. However, DC is majority black. But black experience in DC is completely different from black experience in the south. So if you're gonna stereotype a black person, you can't because black people, I would say people everywhere. A white per a white person from the north is different from a white person from the south. So it's about talking to people and learning different perspectives. And I think the removal of DEI doesn't do that. >> Okay. So I don't want to debate it too much. I will say that >> but that was my perspective. >> Fine. And I'm happy to send you a lot more literature to look at it. What DEI means in practice is the vehement hostile treatment of white straight men to no longer be in institutions and to be actively discriminated against. You don't have to agree on that, but that's what it looks like in practice is that and and I will I will prove this in in allow me to prove this in the best way I can. I don't know if this is going to work or not, but do you think Friedrich Nichze used to say that every society has a central piety that you cannot touch? Something you're not allowed to make fun of? Are you allowed to make fun of white men or black people more easily in America? >> You shouldn't do either. >> Which one will get you fired? >> Making fun of a black man. >> Okay. So, but what if you make fun of a white person? Will that get you fired? >> It could get you fired, too. >> Probably not. actually will probably get you a professorship at your local university. >> You know, I'm being sarcastic. What I'm getting at is that the the influence of DEI have actually inverted the piety away from the promise of what MLK said, which was race blindness >> towards race obsession. What you are talking about is very admirable, which is understanding people's backgrounds. We're just going to not not even disagree. I don't necessarily have time to build out what DEI has meant in practice. And what the problem with DEI is it's taken a lot of well-meaning people like you and then taken you along to support it when in practice it's something completely and totally different. But here is something I will encourage you to do as a Christian. >> Care less about people's shared racial experience and look at them instead of just as their soul as God made them. We should try to strive towards a blinder race nation, not one that talks about skin color all the time. >> I agree 100%. And I think DEI does make us talk about skin color more. >> Thank you so much. Very sweet question. Thank you. >> Yes, sir. >> And the student question goes to >> I'm kidding. >> Um, yes, I'm sort of crashing the party, but >> but I was invited up here by a student. Okay. So, I'm glad to be an American. I'm glad to live in this country. There, as far as I know, there's no better country. Um, and and part of that is that we don't we don't prosecute people for things they did before it was illegal. Now, my question is, well, first off, I'll state um the law is to first off inform people. Secondly, uh persuade them. Um uh and thirdly, to >> you're going to talk about pro-life laws and potentially criminalizing women that get abortions, right? >> Right. And my question >> No, I I'm 10 steps ahead of you. Got it. So, let me tell you my position because we only have so much time. Right. >> My my question for you is why are you against abolition? >> Okay. No. So actually I am for the abolition of abortion. But let me tell you why I personally say if an abortion law was passed I don't think it would a be the right thing under the current way that abortion is practice in America to say that if a woman gets an abortion she should then go to jail. Let me tell you why is because the way abortion is practiced in this country women are not given informed consent. They do not know a lot of times what they are doing when they get an abortion. Now, that is a very important distinction. In order to criminalize somebody, you need in the criminal statute, not the civil statute, you need intent. Right. >> Right. Right. And and the law would cover that. >> Yes. So, this is a I think a largely unhelpful, very far-distant hypothetical that does a couple things. Not only do I disagree with it, but individuals like yourself are going around saying that we should put women in prison if they get abortions. >> And there's there's nothing that says what the punishment. >> Okay. But however, let me just pause and say, how about first can we at least agree the people doing the abortions like the abortionists, they should go to federal prison for the rest of their life. We can agree on that. >> And so I don't want to spend too much time on this. My perspective is very simple that if you do not have informed consent, then I have a very hard time using the criminal code to go after an individual. >> Our justice system doesn't work like that. If if there was not intent, then the justice system says you weren't a criminal. >> Okay, then then we agree then. Then therefore it shouldn't go after those individuals. If you can't prove intent, then it should not go after those individuals. Thank you so much for your time. I got to get to the next question. Right. Thank you. >> We should have laws against it. >> Thank you very much. Uh, who has a disagreement? Anybody? You have a Trump hat on, but yeah, you got a rainbow shirt. How about you? So, yeah. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. >> Billy string shirt. >> No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm giving you a hard time. >> Thank you. And everyone, please be respectful. All right, Charlie, I have a question for you. So, as a Christian, how do you justify campaigning for someone who was found civily liable for sexual abuse? >> Okay. So, well, first of all, we as conservatives believe that that was like a Moscow show trial. It made no sense. How much of the about the trial do you know? >> Um, I've read some of the witness transcripts. >> Yeah. So the main the main accuser is a woman by the name of >> uh Eene Carol. >> Yeah, exactly. And she said the following. A rape is sexy. She said that on air, right? She couldn't remember the time, the date, or the year that the incident happened. And even Anderson Cooper said this is not a credible witness that should be taken seriously. But let's pretend you're right because I don't want to get too far into the details, but let's pretend that President Trump was guilty of sexual abuse. Is there any example of somebody in the Bible that was guilty of doing something bad that still was after God's own heart? >> This is the Bible belt, but yes, the question is for you. >> Um, I'm not sure about that. >> Okay. Well, David would be the most obvious. So, how much do you know about the example of David? David and Ba Sheba? Probably not a lot, right? So, so David one day woke up and he was in charge of the Israeli army. I believe it was Uriah if I'm drawing from memory correctly, right? And uh Uriah was like the head infantry commander. Uriah had a wife very beautiful by the name of Ba Sheba. Uh Ba Sheeba woke up one day and was very provocatively showering for all to see. And David lustfully said, "I want that." In fact, not only did he say did he want that, he then commissioned Uriah to the front lines of a battle to then basically get Uriah killed. basically saying, "I'm going to kill your husband so that I could be with Ba'ath Sheba." Uh, he does that, he dies, he then weeps terribly, and God even draws him closer to him in this very, very difficult, mysterious story. A second example, of course, would be Samson. Uh, Samson is found in the book of Hebrews in the hall of faith. Um, Samson was lived such a colorful life um that God came to him when he was in a prostitute's bed. But God called Samson for a purpose greater than his and used the jaw of a donkey to go kill, you know, thousands of Philistines. What I'm getting at is we are all sinners that fall short of the glory of God and God can use imperfect vessels for righteous and good causes of which I think he used Donald Trump to help save the country. >> Okay. So you said that do you so you think the court case was a witch hunt? >> Yes, I think that case was absolutely a witch hunt. And so were the jurors specifically the ones who found Tim liable? Were they part of that? >> Well, so it's very important that this was a civil case, not a criminal case. This never reached this the threshold where any criminal um prosecutor wanted to bring this because they thought the evidence was so shoddy. But yes, the jurors got this wrong because they were all suffering from Trump derangement syndrome. This was a this was a New York City-based jury. And of course the jury >> they were New York City based. Well, yeah, but who picked the jury? >> Well, Trump's lawyer. >> Well, no, that's not true. They have input on the jury selection. Yeah, >> but they also they get three strikes. Those strikes were used. The judge was hardly fair. Again, I'm happy to go into all the individual minutes, but let's use reason. Can I be a little provocative on this for a second, guys? Okay. And I'm going to I'm going to try to prove you wrong using a little provocation, and I'm going to be politically incorrect. Is that okay? All right. Trigger warning. Okay. So, let me let me understand this. Here is the world's wealthiest man. One of the world's wealthiest men worth like 10 billion bucks. He's got a show on the NBC Apprentice. He's literally married to a supermodel. He can have any woman on the world. And I'm I'm supposed to believe at 2:00 p.m. at in a Tiffany store, he walks in and rapes Eene Carol, who is not exactly a supermodel, and risks his entire fortune, of which there is no accusation for 20 years. But he pops up and runs for the president. And all of a sudden, she says, "This guy raped me." Even though I can't remember the day, the month, the year, 2 pm in a department store at Tiffany's while he was at the height of his career. I'm sorry. That's complete rubbish and political nonsense. Well, so there was a law in New York up until 2022 or sorry before 2022 or during 2022 there was a law pass called the abuser I can't remember the name protection act or something like that. Um and there it removed the statute of limitation which was one year for civil cases for sexual abuse. So that's how she was able that's how she had to wait so long until 2022. but she she did not voice the accusation publicly till he ran for president which she did in 2017 2018. Second, the the trial itself was financed by Democrat donors. Thirdly, this is such a like superolous conversation. He's president of the United States. He won. We won. The American people saw this and did not care. So maybe we could talk about issues that are happening right now, not some fake accusation from 30 years ago. >> Okay. Anyone disagreements? Yes, ma'am. >> Again, anyone in the crowd, you can work your way up if you disagree. Yes, ma'am. >> Hello. Um, I have two main points I want to talk about. So, first off, I want to know your opinion on January 6 and the pardoning of >> Okay, that's a legitimate question. The pardoning is a legitimate question. >> How what's your opinion on that? >> Everyone should be pardoned. >> Okay. Here is my thing I'm going to say about that. My father is a police officer. So if you're saying that someone injures him or kills him in the line of duty, I should support pardoning them. >> So actually that's not my position. My position is very simple. >> You just said your position is everyone should be pardoned. >> Hold on. Allow me to finish. I got like I said everyone should be pardoned, but not because of what they were accused of doing. Because they were deprived of due process. And here's the kicker. That the January 6th defendants were put in pre-trial detention for nearly two years. Many of whom were not given attorney representation. One attorney in particular made his defendant go watch videos saying that MAGA is brainwashing you and say go unbrainwash yourself before the trial. A complete violation of the fifth, sixth, and seventh amendment. What I'm getting at though is that if you have Would you agree with the premise that if the tree is rotten, the fruit will be rotten? >> I don't even know what you're referring to for a metaphor. No, my turn. So I want to know I want to know if you think that what they did storming the capital in your opinion is that right or wrong? Yes or no? >> Well it depends. So they were only >> yes or no. >> Peacefully storming the c one second >> please. Just yesully yes or no. Do you agree it's a good thing that they did or a bad thing? Can I >> Yes or no? >> Can I can Can you >> You can answer yes or no. >> Yes. And I'm answering it. Yes. Because not everybody did that. So let for example, Siaka Masquai took three feet into the capital, said a prayer and went out. Do you agree he should be hunted bound by federal officials for three years and faced 10 years in federal prison? Yes or no? Yes or no? Answer. Yes or no. Okay. You say yes. Got it. So, but however, I think what happened on January 6, there was a lot of stuff I don't support. However, they were treated so terribly by our own government as political prisoners. Here is the truth. Even if you go do something as evil as shoot up a school, you deserve fifth, sixth, and seventh amendment protection rights. These January 6th defendants did not get their basic constitutional rights protected. They literally had to sleep on the ground of the G the DC jail as January 6 gulocks. You look at these pictures, they had to go sleep on the floor with no food for days, acting as if that this was some sort of Moscow internment camp. What President Trump did was very simple. This was a statement towards the justice system. You guys did not treat these people who, some of which did very bad things with basic constitutional due process rights. It was a pardon wiping the slate clean, saying even the person who does the grossest thing should be able to have the same rights of due process and the presumption of innocence of somebody who did absolutely nothing wrong. That's the position of the pardons. >> So, exactly what you just said to me, I'm going to use your words. If someone shoots up a school, they should be pardoned if they do not get due process. >> No, no. I I said if someone shoots up a school, they deserve a lawyer. And someone shoot >> But if they do not get one, they should be pardoned. >> Hold on. If that That's not what I'm saying. >> That is what you're saying. If someone if someone shoots up a school, they deserve to have a lawyer the same way as if someone runs a traffic light. This is a basic human right. And these January 6th defendants did not have their human rights respected by the Biden Department of Justice. That is what these pardons are all about. It's not about the merits of what they did or did not do. Many of which, by the way, is largely exaggerated because a thousand people peacefully walked into the people's house, said prayers, took pictures, and walked out. And the FBI sent on them as if they're narco drug criminals and cartel members. Many of them did absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, they were g the police actually showed them around the interior of the capital. Many of the police officers said, "Hey, would you like to go look in this part of the capital? Would you like to look in this part of the capital?" By the way, how many police officers were actually killed on that day? >> Is it peaceful to hurt a police officer? Is that what you're saying? >> I don't support peaceful to hurt police officers. >> Only a couple dozen out of the 1,800 have for the rest of their life. That's >> 36 individuals out of 1,800 criminal indictments actually laid hands on a police officer. >> But they should be pardoned is what you're saying. >> Because not because of what they did or they were accused of because they were never given a fair hearing. Let me give you an example. a young man who was part of the scuffle pushed back on somebody that he did not know was a police officer. He was facing 15 years in federal prison and never had an opportunity to defend himself in federal court because his lawyer sucked and the judge hated him and he was never given due process or the opportunity to look at the what what is what is a very basic constitutional right look at all of the January 6 footage which many of which is still under seal. So what the pardon is is actually a pardon saying our justice system will never be perverted for political aims again. I'm not saying I support the the the attacking of police officers. I am saying we must keep the American justice system the best on the planet unlike what Joe Biden and Merrick Garland did the last four years. >> Thank you. >> I have another question. >> Okay. >> So how many phases are in the menstrual cycle? Do you know? >> Well, I'm not a woman, so enlighten me. So there's four stages of the menstrual cycle. Okay? Ovulation, faucular, or sorry, I'm going to go in order. Menration, faucular, ovulation, and the ludal phase. In during which of those phases can a woman be pregnant? How when she can she get pregnant? Which of those phases? >> During ovulation >> and ludal. Yes. So tell you from experience. >> So I know the answer to this question. Have you ever had a menstrual cycle before? >> No. >> Okay, great. So knowing that and you just saying I don't know the phases of the menstrual cycle which I don't blame you for for being you know you don't have that. So then knowing this you don't know everything about the female reproductive system. How are you going to make legislation to hurt women and women's rights? >> Are men allowed to have opinions on abortion? >> You can have opinions on abortion but what I'm saying is how are these men going to create this legislation? >> Got it. So, well, men are allowed to have opinion on moral matters, too, right? >> Right. >> Got it. So, if I was a male OBGYn, is it okay for that person to make issues of legislation? >> Well, they're educated. They understand. They are educated on the female reproductive system. So, they can >> So, if I don't know everything intimately about the female reproductive system, sit down and shut up. You're a man. >> No, that's not what I'm saying. You can have an opinion. It's all right if you have an opinion. I'm saying it's not all right if you don't understand how the female reproductive system pop quiz. When does heartbeats begin for babies in uterero? >> Have you ever eaten an egg before? >> Um that's yes or no. Have you ever eaten an egg before? >> Uh scrambled. Yeah. >> Okay. So would that be you scrambled a full chicken? >> Well, hold on. Oh, you understand it takes an egg to be fertilized, >> right? Uh-huh. >> Yeah. Uhhuh. >> Your point. the whole you're making. >> Hold on. So, but no, since we're doing pop quiz on like human development. So, when exactly do heart waves begin in uterero, >> you know that, but you don't know the force. >> Hold on. Tell me when. Tell me when I don't know. >> Okay. You don't know? No. So, wait, hold on. So, you're trying to say I know more about the woman reproductive system than you do. >> I am a woman. So, yes. >> Yes. Okay. Well, but the point being is we could both go back and forth of like independent trivial facts when it comes to the woman's reproductive system. But here's something we all know because God wrote this on the human heart of every individual. As it says in the book of Romans, we know deep down it's wrong to murder a baby. >> You're not murdering a baby. It's not a baby. >> Okay. Well, let's let's play this out. What is it then? >> It is an embryo, which is not a baby. >> Well Well, okay. So, it's a fertilized embryo, >> correct? Which is not a baby. So, at what point does it become a baby? >> When it is born. >> Oh, [Applause] >> I don't agree with abortions up to fullterm abortions. >> But hold on. But but you said it becomes a baby when it's born. Then why would you have abortion limits before it's born? I thought it's just an embryo. So embryo rights. >> No, embryo rights aren't a thing. >> But then where would you draw a line for abortion then? And why? And under what moral standard? >> There are medical reasons, not the question. That's not the question. You just asked me why would I not have an abortion full term for medical reasons. >> Okay. So, at 29 weeks, the baby is nearly fully developed, can recognize the mother's voice, has a heartbeat, has brain waves. Is it okay to abort that baby? >> I don't like it's not okay. But you're going to say it's okay to have an abortion then? Like, I don't understand what you're trying to say. It's not okay to have an abortion ever. How about like 3 weeks in? >> Correct. No abortion. Correct. >> Why? >> Well, because your life started at conception. It did not though. It did not. >> Well, hold on. So, let's play this out. So, who are you as an individual? From your skin color to your eye color to your likes, your dislikes, from your temperament to your everything. >> I am not an embryo. I'm a person. >> Hold on a second. But it started with something called deoxoribo nucleic acid. And your own individual DNA started at the point of egg and sperm meeting. That's where your journey started. And so from that point in particular, life begins. Not not at birth, not at first words, not at first steps, but when your DNA, which is who you actually are. Your you are your DNA. Every one of your DNA cells is coded XX or XY. It's coded with all of your unique characteristics and attributes that God we believe God individually curated for the rest of your life. That doesn't happen at 8 weeks or 10 weeks. It happens at conception. >> What happens if you need a medical abortion? If the mother will die if she does not get an abortion, what's your stance on that? >> The only the only place where medical abortion is necessary is before 20 weeks, which is incredibly >> she will die. What if the mother so let's take they for example like this is a very important question. Let's say it's 27 weeks. Okay. And the mother will die. Why shouldn't you could agree why don't we just have the baby delivered by cescareian section? You know what a cescareian section is, right? >> Yes. >> What is a cescareian section? >> A c-section. >> Yeah. Wh why wouldn't we just put the baby up by C-section instead of terminating it? >> Because if the mother will die, it's not safe to do that. >> You remove the baby. >> I understand threat removed. I know what a C-section is, >> but it's actually safer than an abortion. So every time they say, "This is for you guys." They say, "Oh, you need to have abortion for medical reasons." Respond, "Then have a C-section." >> What if you're not able to have a C-section? What if you are on your deathbed? You need to have an abortion right now. >> Well, again, >> and it's illegal. You can't. So, you have to die. >> First, first and foremost, C-section is safer. C-section is quicker and a C-section saves both lives. A C-section >> the baby is already dead. You just said, >> "No, but even No, no, no. Hold on a second. You're saying if the baby's already dead, then it doesn't have an abortion, right? Then you're talking about a removal of a carcass, which is a completely different medical operation." >> So, you're saying that's okay. If you're having >> if you're rem Wait, hold on. If you're removing a carcass of a baby, that is not an abortion by definition. >> The same process. >> No, it it it's completely different. During an abortion, they actually inject the spinal fluid with cyanide poisoning as the baby squirms and tries to find its mother and it is gasping for air of life. Have you ever watched an abortion? It is one of the Yeah, actually I have and I encourage every human being to watch one to know what you are fighting against because when you see abortion, you will have your your life will be changed that we allow the massacre of a million and a half babies a year under the guise of woman reproductive health. We are allowing babies every single year to just say, you know, we're going to discard them. Why? Oh, they're smaller. They're not humans. You're using dehumanizing language saying, oh, it's an embryo. No, that's a baby made in the image of God deserving of protection. >> What do you do with those children once they're born into a bad household? >> So, now we've transitioned to like what do you do with the kids? Glad we're past the other part of the argument. Okay. What do you do with them? You know, there's twice as many people on the adoption waiting list than there are abortions every single year that >> and they're still on the list. So, you want to send a child into an orphanage? >> Is that what you want for a child? Is that a good life for a child? No, I'm not advocating that. In fact, I'm advocating for to make it easier to be able to adopt. Number one. Number two, there's no such thing as an unwanted child. Number three, it is never right to justify the mass elimination or termination of people under the guise of saying they're unwanted. That's how we get Oshvitz. That's how we get the greatest horrors of the 20th century. Those people are unwanted. >> So, you're comparing abortion to the Holocaust? >> Absolutely, I am. In fact, it's worse. It's worse. >> It's really not. I don't think >> it's 45 million babies. It's nearly eight times worse than the Holocaust. What's the moral difference between a small baby in the womb and a grown Jew who was killed at Oshvitz? What's the moral difference? >> One is older >> is a person. >> What species is the baby in the womb? >> It's a human. But >> therefore, they should have human rights. >> No, >> they should have human rights. >> I do not agree. Oh, so so small humans no human rights. Grown humans human rights. >> It's not a small human. It's an embryo. >> You just said it was a human species. >> It's not a living human child. >> Wait, it's not a what? >> It's not a child. It's not a living child. >> It's very It has a heartbeat. It has brain waves. >> Make it a child. >> But tell me when it becomes a child then. >> When it I already told you when it is born. >> Again. So under every other objective definition, do you see guys how quickly the proabortion arguments fall apart with just the slightest questioning and but it our position is one rooted not in feelings, not in personal autonomy, but one in biological consistency and reality that your life had an agreed upon starting point. That that starting point should be protected and preserved. And the excuses given for abortion is dehumanization. Oh, it's just an embryo. Guys, that's just using different language to justify the massacre of something smaller than you. That's all that it is. So, here are the big objections. Size. It's smaller than me. Then I should be able to to get rid of it. I'm 6'5. Should I be able to murder people smaller than me? Of course not. You don't believe that. Level of development. Oh, it's not as progressed as This is your argument. It's not as progressed as we are. Therefore, we have rights over it. So, my 10-month old baby, why should I not be able to eliminate my 10-month old baby? >> I have another question for you on the line of this. You will never be able to have an abortion, right? You will never be able to have an abortion. You will not. Okay. It's a fact. Everyone knows that. Okay. I'm not debating that at all. >> Make it quick. You could tell the audience is Yeah. But go. >> If I were to be pregnant right now and forced to have a baby, that would ruin my life. >> This is an important question. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Time out. So, so rape and incest are less than half of 1% of all abortions. >> I'm not talking about that. I'm talking if I just happen to be pregnant. >> Oh, you don't happen to get pregnant. It's like not like getting co >> I know how it works. I know how it works. >> You don't get the flu. >> I know. >> How about this? You take responsibility for your orgasms and stop eliminating people smaller than you. >> So, you're saying I should carry a baby and ruin my collegiate life? >> How about this? Instead of saying ruin, first of all, babies are a blessing. Stop talking at them as if they're some sort of annoyance. I will have to drop out of college. >> Number two. Number two. If you you play certain games, you win certain prizes. If you're going to go have sex. >> So, you're saying I should drop out of college to support my child. I'm supporting my life. >> I'm saying if you're going to engage in quitus in the practice of having children, you might end up with a baby. So, know that. And guess what? You don't need to have sex before you get married. It's not like showering. It's not like eating. >> Are you married? >> Yes. With two beautiful children. Wow. Good for you. >> I could