Dave Smith and Candace Owens Discuss Charlie Kirk's Legacy, Israel Lobby Pressure, and Conservative Media's Future

[Music] Hello. Hello. What's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. Ooh, do we have a good one for you today. Uh, very quickly before we get the show started, I do want to remind everyone, uh, well, thank you so much, I should say, to everybody who's already pre-ordered my amazing wife's wonderful new children's book, uh, which was up at the top of the the new releases for children's books on the Amazon charts. Healthy Hibernation. My beautiful wife, Lauren Smith, just wrote it. It's her first children's book. It's very sweet and it's all about just talking to kids about eating healthy and stuff like that. So, it's not it's not any of the controversial things that we're about to talk about uh today, but I will say I saw this this morning and this really tickled me, but because I've promoted it on this show, um now when you go on Amazon, uh it's like if you click on my wife's adorable children's book, you know, Amazon does the thing where it goes people who pre-ordered this book also read and all of the books are like the Israel lobby up in by way of deception, but it's just anyway. Okay, that was funny to me. Moving on from talking about uh one mother to another one, my good friend uh Candace Owens, who has been just on fire in a way that is hard, almost impossible to overstate over the last uh I mean, really, look, you've been a huge force in in conservative media for for many years now. Over the last couple years after, you know, leaving parting ways with the Daily Wire, you got even bigger. Um, but now just over this last stretch, uh, you've really become the mover of the the narrative, at least on the conservative side of the aisle. And I really, you know, I've talked to Tucker this week and I really wanted to talk to you also about this massive kind of cancellation attempt. So, Candace Owens, thank you so much for for coming on the show. Great to see you. I'm so excited to do it. One day we're going to have to do it in person, but on your show, but um, yeah, I'm excited to be back. Well, next time next time we're in the same city, we'll make sure that happens. Whoever show it's on. Um, maybe we'll do it on your show seeing how big that show is these days. I should probably be focused on that one. It has been there's there's been something that, you know, I've been thinking a lot about this because obviously there's been this big cancellation attempt primarily against you and Tucker. Um, although by proxy I guess I've been caught up in it a bit. Obviously both both you and Tucker um well Tucker was fired from Fox News. you were fired from the Daily Wire. Both went on to be much bigger uh after getting canned. And yet now there's this attempt again to cancel you. And we're all kind of wondering like from what? Like what would you even cancel them from? And I just thought, you know, I was very I was uh I was very close friends with Joe Rogan when he was uh going through that major cancellation attempt in in the 22 in the height of COVID insanity. I was I was the first one on his podcast after all that stuff really went down and I was out doing shows with him and I remember at the time having this feeling where all of them kind of hadn't admitted it yet. The the corporate media hadn't admitted that Joe Rogan is the biggest thing in media. They did eventually after the 2024, but at the time it was like so weird cuz you're like wait Brian Stelter is trying to cancel Joe Rogan doesn't he know? And so anyway, as Mark Leavvin is openly calling for you and Tucker's cancellation and Desh Duza, people like this are openly call, it is just funny because you're like objectively right now, you and Tucker are the two biggest conservative political commentators. This is just undeniable. And so their plan right now is we want to cancel number one and number two. This is just like how do you even get away with doing that when the people have already told you they're on their side, not yours? What's it been like for you to just kind of watch this? Well, yesterday was a fantastic day. I mean, to to get the email from Podscribe, number one podcast in the world. And and I don't of course I I am humbled by it truly because the audience is the reason. Like this truly was a free market response. And to go back and find the people who worked day in and day out uh to ruin my life. It wasn't like they just wanted me gone from the Daily Wire, which they got and they celebrated and effectively danced on my grave. It wasn't. They then were trying to get my speaking events canled. They were the ones that put pressure on Charlie not to let me speak. And I said to him, "Dude, I got enough going on. Like, I don't want you to also just by proxy catch a flame because they're so they want to cancel me." They got me banned from Australia. I had to cancel a tour, right? Simply because I didn't agree with Israel. that you would think that I I harmed somebody uh by having a different opinion. And I think the reason why yesterday was such a win was be precisely because they worked so hard and tried to destroy me and we survived. That's where their true hatred and vitrial is coming from is the fact that we survived a virtual assassination attempt, right? It's like we shouldn't have survived it given everything they did. Uh, and even the element of how they wanted me to be fired, like the element of surprise for Tucker to be fired. He's doing a show on a Tuesday. Suddenly on a Wednesday, he doesn't get to get to say goodbye to his audiences. I really do believe even that was a part of their like sadistic effort to be like, you are no more. And so, yeah, it feels good. And I'm I'm really happy uh to say all I did was commit to the truth and I didn't allow peer pressure uh to to come to something that's actually evil. We're not even that's like do you agree that Palestinians should be genocided? No. Okay. Well then you're going to be cancelled. You're never going to be on a Republican stage ever again. Okay. Bye. I'll just do my own show. Okay. You're not going to be allowed uh to speak at the CPAC or the RNC. You're not going to get an invite to the White House. Okay. by I'd like to keep my morals and my principles in line. If I never get to go to Mara Lago again, at least I can lay my head in the pillow and know that I'm not cheering for children to die. Irrespective of whether they're Palestinian or Israeli, I'm not going to root on children dying. Uh and so I think also something that's important to remember, Dave, is these people do not believe in the free markets. That's the number one thing to remember. They want people to be artificially pushed out of the free markets so that they can say they're number one. They love a world where like what happened back, what was it in in 2020 when people were getting knocked off of platforms left and right. Maybe it was earlier than that actually. It was uh before Trump was president. They love that world where you're artificially kicking out the gateway pundit. You're not allowed to be on Facebook anymore. You're artificially kicking out Alex Jones. You're not allowed to have platform. And then they go, we're number one. We are we are the number one most listened to conservative news podcaster. It's like, no, you're not. You're there's there's no market here. And that's what they want right now. They want they want their markets to be restricted so that they can be number one again. Yeah, it is. Um well that's that's right and and because in a way if they make look if the punishment let let's say like for whatever like it was in the old guard where like if you canled someone that was it there wasn't like another they couldn't just go start their own podcast or something like when Bill O'Reilly got fired from Fox News. I mean I guess he did go start a podcast but even back then it was like it just wasn't as big of a market and also his audience was a lot older. they weren't getting into like the technology. So, so he goes from being a guy who's speaking to like 5 million people a night to being a guy who's speaking to like 80,000 people when he does a show. And that's like that sucks. And you know, you could see where the pressure would be like, "Hey, look, are you sure you want to say this one thing that'll piss everybody off?" Cuz then you lose the right to say all the other things that you also might think are important. And you make people make these calculations in their mind, but you going to number one, it's like, oh no, not only is there not a price to be paid, there's a reward in the market for people going like, oh yeah, she stood up for what was right. And as you you talk like when when you get down to the specifics of it, you're what you're talking about is like I mean, I don't know, me and you've been reading the news for for two years on this. You're talking about what? Children being shot at as they desperately try to get food because they've been starving for like I'm sorry. The American rightwing is still made up of a lot of Christians and a lot of people who are just like what? No, they're decent people. They're not going to go along with this. And the thing is like they kind of never got presented the opportunity to hear from people who were going to make that argument. and you've been a part of this huge like test study of like, well, how would it work if there was actually a market? And yes, I I think it's um it's incredibly rewarding for me to see you being the number one podcast because it just it shows that like yeah, there is there like you demonstrated that people could have the courage to say the right thing and then the audience demonstrated that like yeah, and there's a lot of people who will have your back if you do that. I just think that's a great precedent to be set. It it is and and I'm so grateful because I want to remind people, you might think of me now as anti-Israel, but when they came after my entire life, I just wanted to learn about the topic. I was I actually didn't have a perspective, but I knew that I didn't know everything. And they were just so vicious with no, you have to come out and you have to say these things. And I was like, look, I don't know anything about this. Let me speak to some other like speak to other people. Like I watched Bassam go viral, the clip go viral where he was holding up the chart and I was going whoa that is kind of crazy. Like are this many gazins dying? Then I went back and I watched some old content of you on Joe Rogan speaking about the topic. Then I hosted you at the Daily Wire and that was a a big wakeup call and I I really was coming from a place it's still one of my favorite episodes. I don't think I think they pulled all the content down but just learning about Middle Eastern politics. I'm not presenting myself as an expert. And I think that is what also the market is responding to is at least I want to learn. At least I I I am showing that I will correct where I was wrong. I was working for Prageru, Daily Wire. I was working for with Zionist. I obviously had no hatred in my heart towards the Zionist cause and uh and then it was just asking the question like I was messaging with Max Blumenthal because you know, strange allies, right? and um and he has done some really incredible work. And I went back and I found these messages from a time where I simply retweeted Max Blumenthal on something that he said about Kyrie Irving that I agreed on. So it wasn't even about Israel. And I got messages like all I can tell you is like Agent Smith. I sent it to him. It's crazy. Like Marissa Strait, Dave Dave Rubin. And I actually apologized to them cuz I was like wow this guy must literally be Hitler. Like I didn't know. I just saw it trending. And I retweet him. That's what kind of goes on behind the scenes like they are actually presenting themselves as free speech thinkers and then they put pressure on people and tell them hey even listening or retweeting Max Blumenthal you don't may not know it and they told me this he's an anti-semite like he's a committed anti-semite Max Blumenthal like so it's um it's a different time now and that that sort of we're going to tell you what to think and you're going to like it is not like people aren't buying it anymore. All right, guys. Let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Cove Pure. You may have seen this. Utah and Florida recently banned fluoride in their drinking water. Now, ask yourself, why are they doing a massive U-turn on a chemical that's been pumped into our water for over 80 years? Well, I don't know, but if you're anything like me, you'd rather not have your family and your children drinking that stuff. So, you got to check out Cove Pure. 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And I think I think one of like there's a lot that's just been revealed and there was a lot of things about like even you know the conservatism inc online type people like Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro and and even Steven Crowder and like a lot of guys like this who who really rose to prominence during the the craziest woke years. um they were kind of the figures who were speaking up against the the insanity, you know, like being like, "No, actually, you're a dude in address. You're not a chick." And you know, I that was necessary to some degree. It was pretty crazy what was going on in college campuses and the whole left-wing wokeism stuff in general was crazy. But because that was the dynamic and because you know for whatever reason while tons of other right-wingers were being deplatformed those were the ones who weren't and in fact were very pushed by the YouTube algorithm and I mean I remember for year I always hated Ben Shapiro and for years YouTube was like I know you want to watch Ben Shapiro and I was like I do not I've never told you that YouTube but YouTube kept insisting I did. I always now you do. Yeah you do. Well, I was aware of this as I've been talking about lately because I was a Ron Paul supporter back in the day and I remember Ben Shapiro saying like that Ron Paul wants to strangle Jews and that he's a vicious anti-semite and I'd be like, whoa, like and and you realize you're like, oh, it was easy in those years for them to pretend like that wasn't actually all they cared about. But actually, that's all they care about. And I mean all they care about. And this has been revealed. This is the thing with the neocons. This is why even the the you know the the original core neocon group they were all a bunch of uh commies who then became Democrats who then became Republicans and then became Democrats again and what they they when they were George W. Bush Republicans they were like marriage is between a man and a woman and our culture is getting out of because they just thought that was the best way to get votes for their wars. And then when Donald Trump ran against Hillary Clinton, they went, "Okay, she likes the wars. We'll go support Hillary Clinton." Marriage, gay marriage, anyone who's against gay marriage is a homophobe or what? Like, but they don't actually. And so, look, just think about it, right? Why would someone like Ben Shapiro at the very least wouldn't have he have liked a lot of things about Ron Paul. Oh, he's the most fiscal conservative guy. He's the strict constitutionalist. He's a devout Christian who, you know, believes in traditional values. He's a There's a million different things that you would look. He would go, "Oh, I like a lot of his thing. I do disagree with him on foreign policy. Nope. He's evil. As soon as you're not on board with Israel and Israel's wars, you're evil. And I think part of what happened here is that you just by doing what you did, it demonstrated that not only it's not like it went from like Candace is great. She's been heroic on all these issues. We really disagree with her on this one. It went all of that's gone in one day. You go from being like our favorite person who we champion, who we put billboards up on to you are the most vicious evil human being in the world for saying, you know, I just had some babies and I'm seeing this mom holding her dead babies and I'm thinking to myself like, oh my god, what would it be like to hold your dead baby? Geez, that's horrible. Like that's enough to make and just just people seeing that like can't pretend they're not seeing what they're watching. It's so true that that is how gentle it was. I had seen uh it was a dead Palestinian child and she looked like my daughter and I was going this is crazy like this is not just a black and white issue. I need to actually learn about this issue and as soon as you express a feeling I describe it very much it is a psychological operation uh that is meant to break you and they there's no question in my mind that they had done experiments to see I mean this is really going back to what Kanye was saying and he's not the greatest ortor of our time but this is what he was describing was happening to him in Hollywood where he was try this is what he was trying to break free from and of course he notoriously says I'm about to go defcon 3 on some Jews and they made it seem like char like you know, he had tanks and he was going to come in and he was going to start like, you know, just like lighting up dues in Los Angeles. But in reality, everyone ignored the fact that Harley Pastnik was, and this was one of the people he was referring to. He was also referring to at that time, Scooter Braun. Uh Justin Bieber has now kind of said things about Scooter Braun. Who knows what's true and what's not. I I mean, I've had friendly conversations with Scooter. I so I don't have a horse in the race. But the point is is he was trying to say that there is this psychological operation that sweeps in if you do not actually um pedal certain talking points or certain perspectives particularly in Hollywood. I didn't understand what he was saying at that time. Then I went through it politically and I was going what is actually happening? I mean the peer pressure uh you're going to do this or you're going to lose everything. We saw that even in Charlie Kirk's text messages. There is not a single person that bent over more for the pro-Israel cause than Charlie Kirk. But it wasn't enough because they were so angry, Dave. Particularly Josh Hammer was angry, Dave, that you annihilated him in a debate on stage. And how did you annihilate him? I don't know. Just by being a human, a human being. I don't know. Like and and Tucker Carlson gets out there and Charlie was going through it. Okay. And that shows you they do not care. Everything instantly gets wiped. And for me, the the attack they always do is they they kind of try to make it seem like you're going crazy. That's the wildest part to me is reading back the messages and they're like, "Oh, like you know, like we're your we're your friend." They always come at you as a friend. Like I care about you. Like are you are you okay, Dave? I saw you wrote that tweet about like, you know, that Palestinian child and you said it looks sad. Like are you okay? Like is your marriage okay right now, Dave? Like are there some things going on at home, Dave? Like the I'm your friend. Like you know, you can always call me. This is their strategy behind the scenes. And it's also their strategy in front of the scenes. I think Seth Dylan is a literal demon. I will never like I can't explain to you like there's something very dangerous like psychologically wrong with him. Um this is the this is what they this is how they behave and um it's important for people to see that I'm obviously at the time it wasn't fun to go through it but I am I am ever resilient on topics when it comes to principles and I would rather burn everything to the ground and make new friends. When I realize that I am in a toxic relationship, whether that's an employment, whether it's a personal friendship, it has to go. And people now know that it can be done, you can survive it, and people will be with you. Even if it's not immediately, they'll start to wake up and see that repeated pattern that you always talk about where someone says something completely normal and then it's like a button gets pressed. Yeah. and just all of that, you know, like as when I was saying back when back say 2017 or 2018 or something like that, the the energy that Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson were able to kind of um take hold of was that they were they were the ones saying like, "You guys are afraid to debate. You guys need to rely on censorship. You have to rely on demonizing your your opponent rather than just addressing their ideas." and now they just can never say that again because we saw what happened as soon as they their ideas got questioned and then they all turned into the exact same thing. Um, and that's just, you know, that hypocrisy like that is very hard these days in this media environment, in this spiritual environment, whatever exactly it is. It's just very hard for people to keep their own lies from being exposed. Um, right. So, I wanted to obviously I want to talk a bunch about um Charlie and what because you've been doing a lot of shows on this and so it seems to me and a lot of shows that I mean I shows that have been some of the most highest rated part of the reason why you're the have the biggest uh podcast right now. I was remember I was I was talking about this on on the show a few weeks ago, but I was watching one of your shows, but I was like I had it on my phone and then I was kind of like wrangling kids also while I was doing. So, I'm watching the show and it's live and there was like over 300,000 viewers live and then I I paused it because I had to go do something with the kids and then I came back and like when I came back the show wasn't live anymore. Um, but it was still like I had it paused where I was in the stream and I looked down and it was I mean it was only 15 minutes after the show had been live and it was over a million views already on on just on YouTube on it. I was just like yo there's so many people watching this right now. It's really unbelievable. And you've been there's been something very interesting about the way you've been covering this. Well, I mean, look, I it's a little uncomfortable to say, but like part of what's interesting and part of what's compelling about it is that you're clearly you're Candace Owens. You're this this pitbull who's got a hold of something and everybody knows you're not letting go until you shake out everything that there is in there. Then you're also like a woman who's in deep grief very clearly over losing like a very close friend. Um, and so that's it's just like it's it's very, you know, real and human people can relate to it. Um, it seems to me and I I kind of want to talk to you almost about like what you think the biggest things are that that you've revealed so far, like where we are now if we try to put this all together, but it seems to me the things that I the the takeaway that I find the most interesting so far is that, and correct me if I'm getting any of the chronology of this wrong, but I think I got it pretty much right. So, you basically come out in the wake of the biggest political assassination in modern American history and a good friend of yours and and you go, "Look, here's the deal." Um, Charlie was really at war with the Israel lobby and with all of the Zion the Zionist handlers around him. They were threatening him. They were pulling funds from him. He had basically gotten to the point where he was like, "I don't support any of this anymore." And immediately that was met with accusations of she is out of her mind, she's lying. This is a I believe Josh Hammer called it an anti-semitic conspiracy theory. Uh there was all types of that. Of course, Benjamin Netanyahu is selectively reading lines from Charlie's letter. Now, he doesn't, by the way, he doesn't mention that the rest of the letter, at least the rest of the letter that that we've seen produced is like the whole theme of it is like this Hasbro [ __ ] is not working at all. we need to deal with the I'm getting killed out here is the whole letter. He omits that and just reads the part where it's like, I sure do love Israel so much, blah blah blah. But anyway, all of them are saying the idea that there was a a a Jewish donors were pulling money or that he was in some war. Now, the thing that always at the very beginning made it very believable that you were saying this is that well, number one, you're good friends with him and number two, we all saw that Megan Kelly interview so like we all kind of know what's going on a little bit to he was hosting you on stage. I mean, if you're like so committed to the pro-Israel cause, you got you stay away from Dave Smith, right? I mean, that's a pretty easy thing to not invite Dave Smith to do a debate on stage when you know he's going to win. Well, that was and I I mentioned this also at the thing. There was something about me because look, obviously he had Tucker and he had Megan Kelly there who both essentially said Msad was abstain and were very, you know, Tucker certainly was very critical of of the Israeli government, but Tucker and Megan are Tucker and Megan. So, like, you have to have them at a conservative conf. Who could tell you you're not going to have them? They're like legacy icons of the conservative movement. But there was no need to have me. Like that was a choice. Like that was just you could he could have just not invited me. But anyway, so then this all gets exposed or or this you get attacked for making up this nonsense. And now all of the receipts have been produced that what this is just this part I don't even think is in dispute by anyone at this point that yes millions of dollars had been pulled out of Turning Point USA over platforming Tucker Carlson and maybe to some extent me or whatever. And then um also this the the biggest one is this this thread uh this group chat where he actually literally says in writing that I'm forced I have no choice other than to abandon Israel. And then the other thing that is a real important detail here which really you know can't be overstated is that um Charlie's right-hand man there uh I'm sorry I'm blanking on his name. Uh um Andrew is it at a turning point? Yes. So Andrew, who I met down at that event, who was always by Charlie's side, he he confirmed not only that the group chat was real, that he's the one who took the screenshot of it and that he sent it to the authorities, which is like, look, it's just I'm not saying that proves anything about who done it. But it is like the the fact that the closest guy in the organization to Charlie found that information to be relevant enough that he's like, "The authorities should know that he just said he was turning on Israel." Now, Correct me if I'm getting any of the chronology of this wrong or if there's more stuff you want to add, but that at least is like that at least justifies your entire investigation into this that you're like, "Hey, you guys were saying this whole thing was crazy and we're at least at the point where like no, it's pretty much confirmed by all that that's exactly what was going on." All right, guys. 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BB Netanyahu calls, invites him to Israel. Charlie says no, offers to fund uh Turning Point to the next level, which is totally normal for like a sitting prime minister of a country that's fighting a 97,000 front war. Um and uh Charlie said no. Okay. And if they had been like forthcoming and everyone had just kind of told the truth, I would have just been like, okay, like this is like some crazy lefty that did this. There's there's just never a reason to lie. Even if I get into a fight with Charlie day before he dies, I would be like, I my biggest regret is that my last words to Charlie were, "F you." And this shows you life can be taken from you at any moment. Like, I am just beside myself. They were obsessively lying trying to bury this thing. And it made me go, "Something's just not right here." Okay. Then I learned thanks to the Turning Point people like uh the younger people at the organization were just like there's a lot of lies being told. Charlie was concerned about finances particularly. He didn't know where the money was coming from. That's a very strange thing. I saw evidence of that. I obviously then presented the Doge email. He 7 days before he dies says I'm going to start, you know, audit like a personal audit campaign inside a Doge committee inside to figure out things where it was going, where it was coming from and and who it was going to. That's not a normal thing for somebody to be wondering about their company and then they're dead. So, it was everything was a lie. And honestly, the one that struck me as the oddest was them lying about the Catholic thing. Okay? And I'm I'm including Andrew Kova in this because what's this got to do with anything I'm thinking, right? We all know Catholic gang gang. We knew he was going to mass daily sometimes. We knew he had the St. Michael pendant. I knew that Eric had flown a priest um right when he died. And they're getting up here and they're like, "No, he just liked the architecture." and he would sometime architecture and sometimes he would go in there and because he he just liked pretty walls. I'm like, what is this lie about? Right? So, I'm putting together a picture and the obvious thing to me if I am a detective is you're only lying because you're hiding something, right? And it seems to me like they're trying to not upset the very people that were pressuring him. They want him to be this committed Christian Zionist. He never faltered on it. if you want that money to keep going, are these donors still pressuring you? Now, why is BB Net and Yahoo lying? I don't know. But what I do know is we aren't getting the truth about anything. Then you couple that with uh Turning Point is lying, covering that could just be financial, trying to protect the finances after Charlie. Who knows? But then you add the Fed messages that they didn't want to give us a time about. The persons writing like they're in, you know, 1887. these just young gay 20-year-olds writing like we're in 1887. It's a nonsense. They have no explanation for that. Um I know that that makes no sense. The persons I've got contact with the family. They're telling me that the feds are even lying about why he turned himself in. They basically were told, you know, we'll slam we'll slam down your doors or you can come in peacefully. What what are you going to do? Like hey, we got you no matter what. You have two options here. You know, he turned himself in. The family friend. I mean there isn't a single thing they have told us unless you know believe in the fantasy of the Superman neck because Charlie ate healthy um and a 30 six which would have decapitated him as every hunter knows um he he stopped it. He saved lives and he stopped it and this was just your regular Christian miracle. It's all nonsense. Okay, we don't know what happened, but we certainly know that what they're telling us is [ __ ] right? And people are not we're just so tired of being sold slop. Another thing that struck me as very odd was they were pushing this kid Breyn Holland. You may have seen this like nice kid. He's like young and Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it looks like he was made in an AI lab or something like that. Yeah. Like just nice kid. Trump mentions this kid in his speech at the memorial. Okay. Donald Trump mentions this kid who he doesn't know and he's like, "Charlie interviewed this kid who was only in fourth grade, blah blah blah." Um, hi. I was there for the interview. Trump wasn't. Why is Trump mentioning this? It was a random side podcast that we did when we did an event down in Alabama. Who put this in your speech? Okay. This is nothing to do with you, Trump. You didn't even know that I was there, right? Cuz somebody put this in your speech. that seems to me like you're just kind of trying to set the stage for this kid who's controlled by Israel narratives to become the new Charlie Kirk. So, it just smells and I'm covering it meticulously and there obviously is an emotional investment here. Um Charlie was an amazing person, you know, he really was. He held the line and when he gave an inch like, "Okay, I won't have Candace." There's a reason he then said, "And now you get Dave Smith, Tucker Carlson, and everybody else who's anti-Israel." That's how he was. He was very strategic and he I know he pissed off BB Netanyahu and his boys because he is the single reason okay that we did not go to war with Iran. You guys may think that's crazy. It's a fact. No, it was a big No, that was a big deal. And look, I remember it. But I I remember texting him and giving him a lot of credit for it at the time because it was like what happened was as Trump is flirting with what it turned into the 12-day war or around the time when Israel starts first bombing and it wasn't clear whether or not we were going to get in on it. It was like again like it was you Tucker uh like all these people Steve Bannon there were all these people who I mean like really really influential like highle I remember talking about at the time and being like I've just never seen anything like this before like I never this this would be like in 2004 like Bill O'Reilly and Shan Hannity and Rush Limba all turning against George W. Bush's policy in the war. Like what would that look like? You can't even like imagine it. Or or Rachel Maddo and all of them turning against Obama or something. You never saw. But here you have this. And then Charlie who was more look obviously he was more he he was in a slightly different game than the rest of us are in. Like he wasn't just doing a show. He was doing a get out the vote youth organizational big tent Republican thing. So he was always the most just proTrump of the group. Like not that all all of you guys might have supported Trump but that was Charlie's identity and then when even he came out and was just like no dude like we are not this is not what the Trump base wants like this is not that that is a huge look again for to some degree you it's hard to prove the counterfactual or what influence everything had but that made it that there was such a political price for Donald Trump to have escalated the thing and he was saying this to his face at the White And Charlie was someone said to me, and this is a perfect way to put it, Charlie was a maestro, right? So he would play like I'm, hey, you know, Mr. President, here's why and here's whatever. And then he'd go and he'd call me and he'd call like Matt Gates and Tucker. He'd be like, hammer him, hammer him, hammer him, you know, showing you like, you know, the market, they don't like this, whatever, whatever. And he won. Like in a room full of people who wanted him to go to war with Iran, Charlie Kirk made the difference. And I don't take BB Netanyahu as someone who would take that lightly. Right? And I just everything he has done since Charlie has passed trying to assert his legacy as he never blinked on Israel. It makes me uncomfortable. Okay. Now, that's a feeling and I've expressed that feeling and I but I've also been meticulous about delivering a timeline of the facts and it is very clear that some funny business started happening um after the notorious event where you and Tucker spark uh spoke at and they were enraged and the donors were enraged. They took millions of dollars and he said after that he said no to BB Netany and Yahoo. He said no I don't want your money. I don't want to take Turning Point to a next level. I've now recently which I haven't presented yet um am learning how much money each person at Turning Point lost when BBNet and Yahoo said when Charlie said on BB Net and Yahoo because they were going to get a percentage of that. Um and that's interesting. Anybody investigating a crime knows look at financial motives, right? Common sense. Look at financial motives and they're emotionally manipulating us. Like it's disrespectful to his legacy to pursue truth. I knew Charlie. I'm not listening to them. It it you do one of two things when you go through something like that. I suffered a real trauma. I had to take two weeks off because I was just I couldn't even process what was happening. And the way they were trying to get us to just forget about it, Dave. Like just like move on. Move on. His legacy is he loves Israel. It's over. And here's what you can do. If you love Charlie, donate. Okay. No. I was behind Turning Point because Charlie was there. He's not there. I need to know what and who is running this organization now behind the scenes. Um, and I'm not going to accept that. Okay. Well, Erica Kirk, yeah, on paper she's a chairman and she's a CEO, but you don't learn how to be a chairman and a CEO overnight because your husband died, right? That's that's just a fact. I couldn't be a chairman and a CEO. Um, and I've been in business. I I'm my husband does all that because it's not my natural interest. You have to actually like the mundane. You got to read the contracts and what everybody you got to understand the LLC structures uh the con the contractors that you're bringing in for a company that's worth $100 million Dave like no. Okay. There's some snakes in the garden and I'm here to cut the grass and figure out where they are. All right, guys. Let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is Kelshi. I've been telling you about them for a while. 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That's that's the way things work with really talented people. like you don't they make it look kind of easy and then everybody else kind of you know doesn't really but it's like just to be like people don't understand how how good you have to be to go just like do what he would do and hold court with all of these students and debate a thousand different people and then go like you got to be really good to do that but then also people in a weird way go like Charlie did what all of us do and then he ran this gigantic organization which really I mean really moved the needle in a very powerful way. fact might be the reason why Donald Trump is president. I mean there's it's no if you go look at the the polling data from 2024 moving the youth movement was a huge difference for Donald Trump and might I'd have to double look at that might have been the margin of of victory. It was a big deal and by the way that all those youth are now going back uh to the Democrats at least that's what it looks like as of this week which is an interesting thing to think about. I'm not going to vote. So there's that. You know, there is there's there's a real interesting dynamic there that I kind of uh that I do want to talk to you about a bit where it it seems like it's almost and and in a way I think this was something that was one of Charlie's big concerns. Um okay, we'll we'll get to this in a sec, but you know, it was like I know so essentially right like everybody started kind of releasing messages and you know Netanyahu is selectively reading from the letter, Bill Aman's releasing text messages. you end up releasing some group checks and you had that one show where you called on you were like hey Dave Tucker like whatever you guys got like and I was like okay so I looked through my text message with Charlie not now I didn't know we became friends over this last year but I didn't know him like the way you knew him we weren't like close like that but I was like I wonder if there's and I didn't really have much but I had that one text message that he did send me right after I debated Douglas Murray where he was like ah this Murray guy was really full of [ __ ] and he goes you know I actually agree with almost all of what you were saying there and I did release that because I just I do think like look even if let's just say there is a thorough investigation it gets done we you know there's cameras in the courtroom we all get to see the evidence and we really are at the end of this like 8 months from now me and you are talking and we're like it was Tyler Robinson and it was you know like this is just the evidence does look like he was a lone left-wing nut okay fine we're it's still the fact is that when when somebody When somebody young who's so beloved by millions of people gets killed in such a public gruesome way in such a highprofile political assassination that people trying to hijack his legacy like that matters and I'm sorry like if you're going to tell me that Charlie Kirk there is no daylight between him and Ben Shapiro or him and Josh Hammer or him and Benjamin Netanyahu let me tell you what none of those guys do is text me after my debate with Douglas Murray and go, you know, I really agreed with most of what you said there. They don't say that. You're you're an evil enemy to them at that point. And that wasn't Charlie's attitude. Charlie's attitude was like, I get what you're saying, man. Let's talk about this more. Like, we should hammer this out. And so, at the very least, even if it's not something to do with the actual like crime, this is all still very relevant to get to the bottom of like what was going on here. And then of course, by the way, you're speaking to his character. And that's what I wanted people to understand for the people that were like, "Oh, Charlie was just doing whatever for Israel." Charlie said Charlie was pro- Israel. Like I was pro Israel because he actually believed it at that time. He was an authentic human being. It was not this like hardcore political. He wasn't in a cult. And he was transformative. If he thought something and he was wrong, he would change his mind and he would tell you how he got there. And they knew that about him. They knew that he was not a cult member and that money was not going to be something that was going to make him go, "Okay, well, I'm just going to say the thing and look like a fool." What Charlie wanted more than anything else was to win. Okay? In order to win, you have to be right. And in order to win, you have to be right long term. And so Charlie would do the due diligence. He would study things. He would have the conversations. And he was landing up. He he he was just winding up on the other side of this thing like I did where it's like, "Hey," and that's what I said to And I was like, "When you start looking into this, you're feeling the pressure. You're going to see something's very wrong. We did not have this right, Charlie. We did not have this right." And because he had that humility to admit that he was wrong. Um, he no longer served their purpose. Right. That's what you I realize they will throw you out. And um, coordinate behind the scenes, have all their sickop fans go after you, take quotes out of context, start with the articles. He This is, you know, he's flirting with anti-semitism. You know, he put on a hot dress and he saw anti-semitism, whatever. um like like that's kind of where they start and it's like that's like the threat of the articles that are about to drop and Charlie said no. And so that is one of the things that makes me just so happy and like you know when I just pray I just want him to know like you you died with your soul intact. And something that brought me um such peace was u a donor to turning point USA who was very close with Charlie said to me in the immediate aftermath um a soul that is in struggle will free itself. right? One way or the other, it will free itself. And I think for Charlie, his soul was starting, he was starting to struggle. And to know that his last things that he said to them was like, "No, f you keep your money." Like he died a free man. And I think that that's really important for people to know. Yeah. Yeah. And like if if um I just can't imagine, you know, like for say for to Josh Hammer who supposedly was a a close friend of Charlie Kirks and he's and according to him was the which is I think very weird to be saying right after he died. Like even if this was true, I would find this very bizarre to be say like if you um if if I if I just uh like the first podcast just knowing Charlie the way I knew him if I like the first I'm so sorry Dave Smith died. You know, the last thing Dave Smith said to me, the last thing he said to me, we had this conversation. He was like, "Candice, your feminism book was amazing, and I want to go to make him a sandwich.com and buy your feminism book." And that's that's it was the last loving conversation really close to Dave, by the way. And I I like your book on feminism, but like if I died and then you did a show about it afterward, I'd find it kind of weird if that was not one show. It was his first tweet after Charlie died. First tweet, he did multiple shows about it. Oh my god. And it he almost even the way he says it like I pointed this out on the show at one point that every single interview he always says um the uh the horrific murder of my friend Charlie. It just always in those words. It's always the horrific murder of my friend. It's like why are you talking to me like you focus grouped says that? Like I don't want the global language dictionary here. Dude, be a human being. talk about what and and I would just imagine like you know whatever it is like me and you we agree on all types of types of issues and like let's say like right before like you know god forbid something happened to you the the night before you were texting with me and you were like I don't know Dave I mean you you know I I know you've been saying we should end the Fed and have like a free market and money but I'm really thinking we need a central bank and blah blah blah and I was like oh shoot like Candace is like you know diverting from the thing that we agree on or whatever and then like god forbid you got killed and they'd be like oh Candace was turning on the idea of Ron Paulie and you know free market economics I'd be like well you know she was exploring other ideas it was a it was a time when there was a lot of like but to just lie like I would find that to be such a betrayal of my I'd be like yeah it was a shame I would have convinced her though you know I I' we were going to argue about it and I bet she would have come back to agreeing with me after that like just say something like that why like why you know there's just something very profoundly wrong about lying about profoundly wrong. It is demonic. That's what I'm saying. Most of us have something spiritually that would stop us from doing it. So, we either don't want to talk about it at all cuz we're embarrassed, right? Like, I don't even want to talk about the fact that we were fighting, which is fine. But to race out of the gate before anybody even cares about what your last conversation was and to lie about his state of mind, to lie about and knowing he was feeling so much pressure too, like he was like hurting over this, like you know what I mean? And you just lie. There is something spiritually wrong with Josh Hammer. So, I don't even I don't even accept that. Like, oh, like it's it's disgusting. It's wrong. It's like, no, this is actually demonic. Okay. A regular human being can't do that. There's certain things you just go, I'm sorry. I just I that makes me really uncomfortable to do something like that. And you could see that. That's why Megan Kelly, I didn't I didn't expect her to be, you know, such a a stalwart on this thing. And she was like, no, he was definitely going through something towards the end because he died. And that normal spiritual thing came on where Megan was like, "Hey, these lies are actually not I'm not okay with it and I want to make sure the truth gets out there." And so it did present an opportunity for people to see that we're not being dramatic when we say that these people are evil. Like that is an evil to do that to your quote unquote friend, to lie about him because you want to protect your identity um as a you know a pro-Israel psychopath, which is kind of what he is. He's a pro psychopath. There's not the other way to say it. Yeah, pretty much. Um, and yeah, I should I should go out of my way as you said that just to give some credit to Megan Kelly because she has been really solid on this and obviously like you know there's there's you know I've always liked Megan and I've done her show a few times. Um, and I' I've always liked her. Um, there's always a lot of issues I disagree with her about, I'm sure. But just like having the basic principle of being like, "No, I'm not going along with this this like mob and saying I'm supposed to now throw my friends under the bus and pret this whole thing where we're supposed to pretend the people who were like you everybody loved five minutes ago are now now just like, you know, possessed by evil almost, you You know, it was so I thought it was so funny listening to um to Mark Leavvin and Lindsey Graham at this uh this genocide uh fest 2025 um where they're all just they're like, you know, like if you if you were to hear them talk about it, it's like, dude, just I guess everybody just got possessed by Israel hatred over the last couple years. And nothing else was going on in the news with Israel, Candace. It's just that I don't know some everybody just kind of there I guess Qatar must have sent a lot of money around and then everybody [ __ ] was just all you know all all that's what happened is that like all these people like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and all the people who have been household names now for many many years who you know is very successful at the top of the conservative most popular like commentators they yeah they all just sold out their soul for Qatari money and just and and every and their whole audience is possessed by it and nothing. And then they just like they just leave out that part where like you guys committed a genocide in 4K and forced us to pay for it. Like you don't think that had a little bit to do with this? You don't think that had something to do with where we're at today? And this this like, you know, so one of the things, this is what I was getting at before, because Charlie was Charlie was a movement guy. Charlie was a big tent guy. Charlie was a guy who wanted to find a way for us to not lose to like the crazy progressive leftists. And you've heard this brought up a lot by Mark Levin and by Ben Shapiro and people like that over this last week. You know, we just had an election. The Democrats had a good night. Um you go, look, there's this infighting on the right. And so if we keep doing this, we're going to end up losing and AOC is going to be president or something like that. Now, of course, they just take it as a given that like I guess we're just supposed to shut up and they get their way. That's which, you know, like why is that the way it works? But at a certain point, I actually think they're in a sense they're right about that one argument and Charlie was right to like be concerned about this. But here's the thing, right? And you being number one and you and Tucker are the biggest two. You're the biggest two conservative uh people in the news. And like then the as as Charlie noted, as Megan Kelly's noted, nobody under under 30 supports Israel anymore. Barely anyone under 40 supports Israel anymore. It is the essentially my point is that you're right. We if we fracture up this coalition, we'll end up losing to the Democrats. But the only way the only way to overcome that and win is to obviously go with the wind. It's like it's like saying in 2016, hey, there's a big divide between Donald Trump and the entire GOP establishment on immigration. They want open borders and he wants to build a wall. And it's like, yes, but you've got him and 100% of the base against you. So, the only option here is to go with his immigration policy and then you could win the election. And I I do think this all comes down to the war party and to Israel, which are kind of, you know, one and the same in this country. And it's like JD Vance, you can embrace that and lose or you can come over here with the people and have a real shot of winning. What do you want to do? And look, we have the Republican party, we have a Democrat party, and then we have the Nessid party, and they're in they've infiltrated both of the parties actually. And what's happening right now is left and right, people are saying no to that. Um, the reasons might be different, but it's a populist movement one way or the other. And it's hilarious to me that they think after me watching Charlie Kirk get assassinated, them spitting in our face and telling us that it's raining about everything that happened here, um the viciousness that they themselves um directed toward me in the aftermath. I mean, people like they tried to say that I didn't even like know Charlie. I mean, it was so they were so intent on making sure that not one drop of Candace being anti-Israel um was a part of his legacy that they just lied. They lied in a way that for the grief that I was going through, like I'm not a crier. I mean, it was like it was a lot. You know, I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, it was a lot for me to go through. And I look back and I'm like, "Wow, the nastiness of of them doing this." And then like a couple of weeks later being like, "And now we demand you tell your audience to go vote for who we want you we want them to vote for." Yeah. F you. F you. I am not doing anything. Okay. Here's the way it works. Here's how common sense is. Okay. You tell me I can do this job. I can I can I can build your house. I can do this. I hire you. Okay. I get behind it. I say, "Okay, I hire you. Go do that job." You then don't do it. You look at me and you say, "Epsteeen who?" Okay. You you you're at the top of the FBI and you say, "Oh, these are the real messages." You're blocking people as Cash Patel is from looking into uh Tulsi's team and and and Joe Kent. You saw this playing out in the news. They won't even let them look into whether or not foreign people could have been involved in this. And then you're like, "And now go get out more people to vote so that we stay in power." No, buddy. Okay. In your famous words, you're fired as far as I'm concerned. Okay? And so I don't know what's around the corner, but I do know that my platform is not yours. Okay? My platform belongs to the truth left and right. Okay? And so it was just incredible to me. They were like, and not even that, they were like, get out people and tell them to vote against mom Donnie and to like, you know, get behind in. Okay, if you want to do that, that's your thing. But I'm telling you, I'm not doing anything because for me, life stopped. Political life stopped when Charlie Kirk was murdered and you wanted me to move on. I'm not moving on from it. By the way, it wasn't because of Nick Fuentes and um Tucker Carlson sitting down that MAGA got splintered. It got splintered when you said Epstein who. That's it. Literally for me on my show when I said, "Okay, what is this? Did the swamp the Lochness swamp monster come up and swallow the MAGA party?" Actually, who is the Lochness monster? I think it's Israel. Okay, I think it's Israel, actually. And if Trump suddenly joined the never Trump party, which he did, right? Trump joined the Never Trump movement. That's what's happening right now. And now they're trying to tell us to join it. I'm good. I was I've always been uh against the Never Trumpers and I'm going to stay that way even if Trump has joined them. Yeah. Well, let there's Okay, I really that's such an important point and so I want to but I just real quick before I get to that, I just do want to say and I made this point uh last night. I was on um on my my buddy uh Clint Russell's podcast uh Liberty Lockdown. Oh, Clint Russell, by the way, criminally underrated. He's great. So, it was me, him, and Ian Carol uh and we did it was trending. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was a great show. I think I I uh I bowled over everyone. I talked too much on the show. I apologized for it afterward and I was like, I bet I'm gonna get [ __ ] in the comments for this and I did today. So, sorry about that guys. It was late. I'd had a couple whisies. I was ranting a bit. Um, but it was a great show and you should go subscribe to to Clint Russell's channel if you get a chance. Um, but I said this to them on that show and I wanted to just make sure I say this again while you're on on my show that look, I don't know everything about everyone here, but one thing I do know is over this last year, I mean, me and you have become friends over the last couple years. Me and Charlie became friends over this last year from hanging out with both of of you. And I remember talking to you because you know we'd all talk about all this stuff and I remember talking to you about Charlie years ago uh uh when we were hanging out and you were just just had you were like Charlie's the greatest guy. Just had nothing but like I love him to death. He's the greatest guy ever. And I talked to Charlie about you briefly when we were down at the uh the student sum student action summit whatever the big event where me and Tucker Megan were and literally just all he had to say was how much he adored and loved you. Like, so the idea of people going like, there was this distance that had been growing between like, okay, actually, I know both of them. You don't know what the [ __ ] you're talking about. That's just a fact. And I really I genuinely challenge anybody anybody in Charlie's inner circle, tell me wrong. Even e I I swear even uh um Josh Hammer wouldn't have the goddamn balls. Maybe he would, but he's lying. Um so that's one thing. But then on this other thing, you know, it's uh it's very interesting and you know that you're absolutely right that it really was the Epstein thing. I said this at the time, too, that people do not understand how profound what he's done here is to to and it may not even show up in a in a poll, you know? I mean, his numbers did go down after that, but I'm not sure the polls can because a lot of people who support Donald Trump, they supported him, they voted for him. If you asked them, they'd probably still say, "Do you support Donald Trump?" Yeah, I'm a Trump guy. I'm not a Camala Harris Democrat or something. But the energy and the loyalty and the enthusiasm were just tremendously degraded by by him is the whole political raison detra of Donald Trump was to drain the swamp and this is the swampiest of the swamp a pedophile ring connected to government and foreign intelligence asset like come on this and and I will say weirdly that at that event um which it was a thing that in a way I think saved me because Josh Hammer, which was somewhat crafty of him. Um, cuz it's the best he's going to do debating me. But so what he did for the whole opening of his statement was, you know, like I'm I'm a me. So I get up there and I'm like, the neoconservatives were a marriage of the Israeli lobby and the military-industrial complex. And their clean break strategy is what we embarked on after 9/11. And that's this is the war in Iran. It's the culmination of the seven countries in five years and all this [ __ ] And then his whole opening statement is just every nasty thing I've ever said about Donald Trump and just look, hey Charlie Kirk, turning point audience, we love Trump. How about this guy? He don't love Trump. And that was which is a powerful way to to win over an argument. I mean, it's a lame and uh dishonorable way to do it, but it is how politics works. You know, you get these people like, "Well, what do you want to be? You want to be a leftist Kamala Harris supporter?" You go, "Oh, no. We're not that. Okay, we'll be the other thing. And then I just went, "Yeah, I'm talking about the guy who just covered up the Epstein story. Sorry, I'm going to criticize that guy." And the whole crowd was back with me because there was something about that moment. I had this experience recently where I did Steven Crowder's podcast and that's all we had this debate. All he tried to argue with was you called for impeaching Donald Trump. You said Donald Trump's a war colonel. You and then someone showed me the other day, go look through the YouTube comments. Everybody's reject like everyone's like, "No, like it's it's kind of like look the the Trump loyalty thing is played out. They are public servants. They work for us. I'm loyal to God. Yeah. I I'm loyal to God. I'm loyal to my wife. I'm loyal to my friends. I'm not loyal to an administration." And and to your point, it's like this is not and JD Vance or whoever it is is not going to have that type of loyalty from a lot of us either. Like you got to deliver on what we want. like and and what we want is not bombing Iran and threatening to overthrow Venezuela. He didn't want war and we were totally fine like the pro-Israel. He's always been pro- Israel, but it wasn't a relevant topic in the way that it is today. Like are you going to stand up when BB Netanyahu says that he wants immediately wants your bombers to go take out and like you just go do it and you were going to do more if Charlie Kirk didn't stop it? You were actually going to do more. Um okay. Uh that seems pretty corrupt to us. Like the way that BBNet and Yahoo is just on camera being like we're going to take over. I need this deal to go through with Tik Tok. I got And you're not saying anything. He's You were supposed to be the free speech enthusiast and you're going after college kids. You got Pam Bondi who's like blanking us when it on on Jeffrey Epstein but responding to like a kid that gets shoved by a girl on a college campus. He's wearing an IDF. So he