Erika Kirk Meets Candace Owens After Conspiracy Theories About Charlie Kirk's Assassination Escalate

[00:00] IDENTIFIED.

[00:00] THREE OTHER IOWA SOLDIERS WERE

[00:02] HURT IN THE ATTACK.

[00:06] NOW TO THIS.

[00:06] ERIKA KIRK, MEETING WITH

[00:08] CONSERVATIVE PODCASTER CANDACE

[00:10] OWENS TODAY FOR A PRIVATE

[00:11] CONVERSATION.

[00:12] OUR WINDS HAS BEEN PUSHING

[00:14] SEVERAL CONSPIRACY THEORIES

[00:15] ABOUT THE ASSASSINATION OF

[00:17] TURNING POINT USA FOUNDER AND

[00:19] AMERICA'S HUSBAND, CHARLIE KIRK.

[00:20] OUR WINDS SUGGESTED MEMBERS OF

[00:22] TURNING POINT USA, AMERICAN

[00:25] SUPPORTERS OF ISRAEL, EVEN

[00:27] MEMBERS OF THE U.S. MILITARY MAY

[00:29] HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN HIS

[00:32] ASSASSINATION.

[00:33] 22-YEAR-OLD TYLER ROBINSON IS

[00:35] CHARGE IN KIRK'S MURDER.

[00:35] HE WAS SMIRKING IN COURT JUST

[00:38] LAST WEEK.

[00:38] AND I DISCUSSED ALL OF THIS WITH

[00:40] ERICA ON WILL CAIN COUNTRY LAST

[00:43] WEEK.

[00:45] I HAVE NOT MENTIONED CANDACE

[00:46] OWENS BUT I DID NOT MENTION HER

[00:48] NAME.

[00:48] .net TO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T

[00:49] WANT TO FORCE YOU TO TALK ABOUT

[00:51] IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.

[00:52] BUT A LISTENING NOSE.

[00:52] I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS LAST

[00:54] QUESTION ON THIS AND WHAT I'M

[00:56] GOING TO SAY IS YOU HAVE MADE A

[00:57] CHOICE THAT HAS CHANGED IN THE

[00:59] LAST WEEK.

[00:59] IMAGING HAS BEEN TALKING AND YOU

[01:00] HAVE ALSO SAID THAT A BRIDGE HAS

[01:02] BEEN CROSSED.

[01:03] TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT YOU

[01:04] KNOW.

[01:05] BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS GOING

[01:07] FORWARD, WE WILL YOU AND THE

[01:10] TEAM -- DO YOU THINK YOU WILL

[01:12] TALK ABOUT IT MORE.

[01:13] >> THE CHARTER WILL ALWAYS BE

[01:15] THERE REGARDLESS.

[01:19] IF WE SPEND ALL OF OUR TIME

[01:21] GOING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE

[01:23] ACCUSATION, WE WOULD GET NOTHING

[01:25] DONE AT THE OFFICE.

[01:26] NOTHING.

[01:29] WE WERE TOLD THAT IF WE SAID

[01:34] STOP, THEY WOULD STOP.

[01:36] AND WE SHOULD STOP, AND I WILL

[01:39] SAY IT AGAIN.

[01:40] PLEASE STOP.

[01:44] >> Will: JOINING ME IS FOX NEWS

[01:45] CONTRIBUTOR JASON CHAFFETZ.

[01:48] BUT HE WAS AT THE UNIVERSITY

[01:49] WHEN CHARLIE WAS KILLED.

[01:53] THIS CANDACE OWENS ERIKA KIRK

[01:54] CANDACE OWENS CONFERENCE USA

[01:56] BACK AND FORTH HAS BEEN GOING ON

[01:57] NOW FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

[02:00] DOES IT SURPRISE YOU THAT ALL OF

[02:03] A SUDDEN ERICA HAS AGREED TO SIT

[02:04] DOWN TODAY WITH CANDACE OWENS?

[02:08] >> IT IS A LITTLE SURPRISING.

[02:09] IT IS DISAPPOINTING THAT IT HAS

[02:11] HAD TO COME TO THIS BECAUSE THE

[02:12] UNRELENTING PERPETUATION OF

[02:15] THESE SOMEWHAT RADICAL

[02:16] CONSPIRACY THEORIES I THINK HAS

[02:19] TAKEN ITS TOLL AND IT SEEMS VERY

[02:22] SELFISH ON THE PART OF CANDACE

[02:24] OWENS AND -- WHO WANTS QUOTES

[02:27] AND MORE VIEWERS AND SHE WANTS

[02:29] TO ESSENTIALLY MONETIZE THIS.

[02:30] AND I GET A LITTLE DISGUSTED

[02:32] WITH THE OVERTIME.

[02:33] EVERYBODY WANTS JUSTICE.

[02:34] EVERYBODY WANTS THE TROOPS TO

[02:35] COME OUT.

[02:37] THAT IS WHY WE HAVE LAW

[02:38] ENFORCEMENT AND PROSECUTORS AND

[02:39] A TRIAL AND WE GO THROUGH THESE

[02:41] THINGS.

[02:42] BUT.

[02:42] BUT I THINK ERIKA KIRK AND

[02:43] CERTAINLY HER KIDS SHOULD HAVE

[02:45] TO LIVE THROUGH THIS AND THE

[02:47] GOOD PEOPLE AT TURNING POINT I

[02:48] THINK WE ARE FED UP WITH IT

[02:50] BECAUSE IT JUST DRAWS ON YOUR

[02:53] MIND AND IN A WAY THAT IS JUST

[02:55] NOT PRODUCTIVE.

[02:56] IN FACT, IT IS

[02:57] COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

[02:57] AND IT IS HARMFUL.

[03:00] >> Will: YOU KNOW, JASON, I WILL

[03:02] ADMIT TO YOU AND TO THE AUDIENCE

[03:03] THAT I HAVE NOT PUT IN THE HOURS

[03:05] AND OURS AND HOURS OF CONTENT

[03:07] CONSUMPTION REQUIRED TO

[03:08] UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT HAS

[03:09] BEEN ALLEGED BY CANDACE OWENS.

[03:10] I REALLY SHOULD AT SOME PLAY TO

[03:13] FULLY UNDERSTAND THE INS AND

[03:15] OUTS OF THIS STORY.

[03:15] THAT BEING SAID, I DO KNOW THIS.

[03:18] IT IS INCREDIBLY POWERFUL,

[03:20] JASON.

[03:20] IT IS INCREDIBLY POPULAR, NOT

[03:22] JUST ON THE TOUCH, NOT JUST ON

[03:23] THE PODCASTS RANKINGS BUT IN

[03:26] CONVERSATION OUT HERE IN THE

[03:27] WORLD.

[03:28] IT IS BROUGHT UP TO ME OFTEN THE

[03:29] THEORIES OF CANDACE OWENS.

[03:30] DO YOU THINK THAT DO YOU THINK

[03:32] THAT IS PART?

[03:32] WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS DRIVEN

[03:35] ERIKA AND TURNING POINT USA TO

[03:36] SET THIS MEETING?

[03:37] >> I CAN'T TRULY GET IN HER

[03:40] MIND.

[03:42] I DON'T KNOW IF OF ANY OTHER WAY

[03:43] TO GET IT TO TURN OFF.

[03:45] SHE SAID ON YOUR PODCAST, WILL

[03:47] PRINT, IF YOU JUST SAID STOP,

[03:49] MAYBE ABLE.

[03:49] IT IS NOT.

[03:49] AND IT CONTINUES ON AND MAYBE

[03:52] JUST MAYBE, I JUST FEEL FOR

[03:54] ERIKA.

[03:54] I DON'T THINK SHE HAS TO GO

[03:56] THROUGH THIS BUT SHE SHOULD NOT

[03:57] HAVE TO RELIVE THIS.

[03:58] IMAGINE THE ANXIETY OF HAVING TO

[03:59] GO CONFRONT THIS PERSON WHO

[04:02] REALLY JUST IS MAKING STUFF UP

[04:05] AND PRACTICE IN MANY CASES AND

[04:07] CERTAINLY NOT WEARING IT TO THE

[04:09] PARK WHERE IT IS READY FOR

[04:11] PUBLICATION.

[04:11] SHE SEEMS TO PUT THIS OUT THERE

[04:12] IN SUCH RAPID FIRE THAT AGAIN,

[04:17] THERE'S SO MANY IS ALSO ITS THAT

[04:20] HAVE BEEN IN STRATA.

[04:21] THERE COMES A POINT WHERE YOU

[04:22] DON'T BELIEVE HER BECAUSE SHE

[04:24] CONTINUES TO PERPETUATE SO MANY

[04:26] FALSEHOODS WITHOUT ACTUALLY

[04:28] PACKING UP WITH REAL FACTS.

[04:30] >> Will: YOU MENTIONED THAT

[04:31] ERIKA HAS SAID ON MY SHOW AND

[04:33] OTHER SHOWS, SHE HAS ASKED AND

[04:35] PLAYED FOR IT TO STOP.

[04:37] IT HAS NOT YET STOP.

[04:40] YOU WERE THERE.

[04:40] AND ERIKA ALSO SAID ON MY SHOW,

[04:43] THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH

[04:45] ASKING QUESTIONS.

[04:46] EVERYBODY SHOULD ASK QUESTIONS

[04:48] TO ENSURE THE INTEGRITY OF THIS

[04:50] INVESTIGATION INTO THE MURDER OF

[04:51] CHARLIE KIRK.

[04:52] BUT YOU WERE THERE THAT DAY,

[04:53] JASON.

[04:53] THAT IS THE ME THAT YOU KNOW

[04:54] EVERYTHING ABOUT THE

[04:55] INVESTIGATION.

[04:55] BUT IT DOES MEAN YOU BRING A

[04:57] CERTAIN PERSPECTIVE TO THE

[04:58] ASSASSINATION OF CHARLIE KIRK.

[04:59] SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE

[05:02] INVESTIGATION AND THE KIND OF

[05:03] THINGS BEING SAID BY CANDACE?

[05:09] >> I NEED LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DO

[05:10] WHAT WE HIRED THEM TO DO.

[05:11] I BELIEVE IN THESE PEOPLE.

[05:13] I BELIEVE IN THE UTAH COUNTY

[05:14] SHERIFF.

[05:14] I REALLY AND THE FBI.

[05:16] I THINK KASH PATEL AND THAT

[05:18] GROUP THAT HE IS LEADING THERE,

[05:20] THEY WANT THE TRUTH AS MUCH AS

[05:22] ANYBODY.

[05:23] THE PROSECUTORS BELIEVE THEY

[05:24] HAVE A STRONG CASE.

[05:25] PEOPLE LIKE JONATHAN TURLEY

[05:26] SAYING THE EVIDENCE IS AMAZING.

[05:30] I WAS ONE OF 3,000 PEOPLE THAT

[05:32] WERE THERE THAT ARE TRAUMATIZED

[05:34] BY THIS.

[05:35] I CAN STILL HEAR IT.

[05:36] I CAN STILL SEE CHARLIE FALLING

[05:39] BACK.

[05:40] I DON'T WANT TO KEEP RELIVING

[05:42] THIS.

[05:42] BUT I WANT THAT MEMORY OF

[05:44] CHARLIE TO BE A REAL POSITIVE

[05:46] ONE AND I DO WANT TO GET IT

[05:47] RIGHT AND IF THERE ARE

[05:49] LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS TO ASK

[05:50] THOSE QUESTIONS.

[05:51] BUT WHEN THEY ARE PUT OUT THERE

[05:53] AS FACTS AND DISTRACTIONS TO

[05:56] HAVE TO RELIVE THIS DAY AFTER

[05:59] DAY AND CANDACE'S WORLD, I DON'T

[06:02] WANT