Well, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. Welcome to a very special episode of the Erin Mullen Show. I'm joined by Tarly Shine, uh, who I adore, and I know you guys do as well. Uh, we'll talk about the headlines in just a moment, but let me give you a little preview of my major interview that's coming up with Dr. Guard Sard. He is one of Elon Musk's favorite people. uh he was a very close friend of Charlie Kirk and he weighs into this whole oh there's two sides of violence when it comes to the extreme left and the right which we all know here not to be the case. He also goes into who could possibly replace Charlie Kirk and he says something about Candace Owens that you are going to want to hear. We'll talk about her but not too much. I hate giving her airtime and giving her oxygen. Not that what we do here makes any difference because she's obviously huge. So it's not like but still >> your audience is very big and and you've just started. So I predict that it's going to be bigger than Candace's very soon. >> That is a prediction I would love to see come to fruition. Let's hope. Let's hope. I mean people have generally good taste. >> Generally and and your numbers are big. I've seen them. So for a good prediction love >> it's real though. I never say anything uname here. I'll never say anything unnecessarily mean, but I'll only ever say things I truly believe. >> And that's why people listen to you because, you know, everyone says to me, Erin has a real conviction. You can't make her say something and what she says comes from the heart and it's genuine and people say, >> "Yes, we're right back at you, my darling." So, let's get stuck into these headlines and start off with these text messages that have just come out from the alleged killer of Charlie Kirk. And I guess this kind of uh sets up our conversation which we're going to have in a second about Candace Owens and this theory regarding Israel and billionaire Bill Aman has been brought into this and this this insane desire to blame everything and anything on Israel and the Jews. But but these are text messages that have been released officially from the FBI from the alleged assassin to his partner who was transitioning a a transgender man transitioning to a woman. and he said essentially uh "Drop what you're doing. Look under the keyboard." Okay. And then his partner, and I I don't say his name because I just hate giving any publicity to these people cuz a lot of them do it for that. Uh his partner says, "What? You're joking, right?" And then he says, "The alleged killer. I am still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orum for a while. Shouldn't be long until I come home, but I got to grab my rifle. To be honest, I'd hope to keep this secret till I died of old age. I'm sorry to involve you." Then his partner says, "You weren't the one who did it right." and he replies, "The alleged killer, I am sorry." And then it goes on something bizarre that I've just seen. A reporter on the ABC was doing a live cross on this in America and said how sweet and romantic it was. Tried to romanticize this this interaction as something we wouldn't expect, but really beautiful. I mean, it's twisted. That's really sick. And it's giving a rhetoric to the extreme left who we have seen with the most vile behavior actually celebrating. Now it's shocking. It shouldn't be surprising because these are the same people who celebrated October the 7th and the party that preaches kindness and tolerance have shown us yet again that they are anything but. You know, the the only good thing that I have seen out of this is there has been a split between the radical left who have just shown themselves to be the disgusting subhumans that they are celebrating a death of a father and an innocent man who just had conversations. And then the more moderate left who were saying, okay, we might not have believed in everything Charlie Ko said, but we do not believe he should have been killed and we are disgusted by the extreme left. And hopefully that will bring more people to the center and achieve some kind of rhetoric and peace and and coexistence because I mean even if you are a staunch locked on Republican, >> you want a healthy opposition who's not batshit crazy and actually have debate and engage rather than be so extremist that you you they're too hard basket you can't even work with them. And and that unfortunately is something we've seen. Generally speaking, Republicans like Charlie Kirk will have a debate. They want to speak whereas >> because they have substance to their argument, so they're not afraid of being exposed. >> Whereas Democrats will say, "We're not giving you any time. We're not speaking. We don't want to have a conversation. We're not going to sit with you if you're a Republican." And then you don't learn anything. There's no way to move forward on any issues. So you don't like here and sorry to cut you off there, but even like when the election was on, we heard all these stories of people saying, "Oh, I'm I've cut off my family member because they voted for Trump, but you never hear about it the opposite way." >> Never. >> Never. I want to talk about just this stuff that's going online on X at the moment on Candace Owen's podcast. Uh Tucker Carlson's just done a piece. I was watching that just before you arrived. this this insane obsession with trying to blame the death of Charlie Kirk on Israel, on the Jews, on pressure from donors. I mean, it is a disgusting uh b, as you've seen from those text messages, there is someone in custody now who they're saying is is clearly the alleged killer. >> Uh, and motivated by exactly by the extreme left. And I'm not saying there's other things that there are not other things that we don't know and that will come to fruition. Absolutely, there will be. But it is deranged this obsession. And I can only imagine how awful this must be for his family, for his wife to be watching. And the other point I'd make as well is Charlie, the entire reason he was famous is he engaged in robust debate. Of course, people who were either donating money to him, he had donors. Absolutely. Or people who who were friends with him or had a relationship would be robust in their debates and their arguments and trying to put forward their side. And he would have welcomed that. That's his thing. And I'm not saying that there weren't other things at play, but to try and link it to his death is what is absolutely disgusting >> and terrifying and also really dangerous. It's dangerous because someone like Candace has over 10 million views, followers, so she has a voice and when she spreads lies, whether it's about a politician, whether it's about a businessman, it's dangerous. I'm scared for Bill Aman. when she comes out and says these crazy defamatory things, it puts somebody's life in danger because there are crazy people out there that see it and it's terrifying and and she needs to be more responsible in what she says and not spreading dangerous lies. She said the only two people that could shut her up from this now are Erica Kirk and her husband. And I feel like, yeah, because that's really what Erica Kirk is going to be focused on now as she's trying to explain to her children why dad's not there anymore. I mean, come on. >> But interestingly, Charlie Kirk's producer, executive producer who was there, did come out and say what she's saying is not true. >> Correct. There are I think I saw someone has collated the responses that have essentially uh shown why hers are not true. And there's seven seven people that have come out and said not true, not true, not true, not true with evidence to back that up. Uh, let's talk about Qatar. And you sent this to me last night, an article where they are urging the world to punish Israel for the strikes on Qatari land. And I think, well, wouldn't this be a novel approach? Why don't we punish Qatar for harboring terrorists? >> Well, exactly. You know those kids at school that pretend to be the good guys and actually they're the baddies? Well, Qatar isn't even pretending. Let's ignore the fact that they own more land than King Charles in London. Let's ignore the fact of how much money they put into American universities and let's look at the facts right here that they have been the biggest state sponsor second to Iran of Hamas a recognized terrorist organization. They have harbored these terrorists and welcomed them to stay in Qatar after October 7th. >> Absolutely. They celebrated on Qatari land on October 7th. >> And they have allowed them to keep these billions of dollars that they have stolen from international aid and stolen from the future of the people of Gaza and kept for themselves. What other world leaders are worth billions of dollars that they have stolen from international aid and each worth billions. It is so disturbing. They are captured, aren't they? >> And Qatar has let this go on. They could have said release the hostages. They could have chucked them out of hosting them. They could have taken the money and given it to where it's meant to go and for their future rather than to harbor terrorism. They have all the power. They could end this in a second. But instead, they're attending the uh state funerals of recognized terror leaders >> whilst uh those in in other parts of the West are saying, "Well, now there'll be no peace because you've killed the negotiators. Are you kidding? We are nearly 2 years in. They are not the negotiators. They were not negotiating peace. >> President Trump has shown his continued support for Israel by sending Secretary Rubio to Israel this week. And Secretary Rubio has been very, very clear in saying there never should have been hostages. This should never have happened. Let's remember why we are where we are. And the only way for this to end is to end Hamas, to end the future threat, and to release the hostages. Unfortunately, he has said deceased and living. and he said deceased quite a few times which is heartbreaking than we know which is awful >> but but thank God despite Qatar's pressure and saying these things despite what's going to go on in the UN with the vote >> America has stood steadfast in its support and in remembering why we are in the situation that we are >> exactly right one of the reporters asked uh BB Netanyahu a question at that press conference with Rubio and it was something to the effect of can you guarantee that you won't strike another nation again. He's like, "No." And I just went, "That's the whole point. >> Don't harbor a terrorist." >> That's exactly right. And the whole point that wasn't a failure because they didn't wipe out every leader of Hamas. That was a we can get you and we have the willingness and the capability to get you anywhere. Uh Donald Trump, you just mentioned him, your favorite apart from me clearly. Uh just landed in the UK with Melania. Melania's had a win this week. Well, there is America has such a spectacular first lady and you know what? She doesn't sweat the small stuff. She can laugh off a fashion magazine that's failing trying to be political and not having her on the cover. But when you go after her integrity and after her dignity, she will hit back. She is not afraid as the Trumps are not afraid to take legal action against people that defame them or that act badly. And we've already seen a win that she had with the Daily Mail. We've seen the Daily Beast retracting. What we haven't seen is Hunter Biden actually apologizing for the defamatory lies he told. And you know, it was really interesting that they called it, I think, the return of Hunter Biden in the interview. And I had to ask myself, where's he returning from? Is it a strip joint that he's rehab or is it returning from court where he's being forced to pay his child support for his own child? >> I say all of the above. >> Exactly. once. >> You know, we're not talking about a man with any morals or struggles who has behaved absolutely well. >> And you you make a really good point about her her ability to laugh things off when it doesn't matter. But you're right. When it does, when it's integrity, when it's at the core of who you are and what you stand for >> and and something her son is going to look at and think, "Oh my god, how can they say this about my mom?" She says, "Absolutely not. I will hit this head on. I don't care if I have to go to court. I don't care if I have to testify. You will not tell these vicious lies about me." and power to her. >> She is amazing. Uh so she'll meet, I'm assuming, with Kate Middleton and uh the King and Camila. And I'm very excited to see those uh images and the wardrobe. I know. We're we're a show of substance here. We tap into college security. >> We have the most glamorous ladies. >> Exactly. So we're allowed to be excited about that as well. Now, finally, before we go, I just want to touch on Cash Patel in a Senate hearing and just just have a look at this quickly. Which field office, division or directorate has lost the most personnel since January 2020 25? And uh well, do you have the answer to that question? >> Yeah, actually every single field office in the country, including Hawaii, has received a plus up of FBI agents because we're pushing them out to the field. >> Okay. So, you're telling me that no field office division or directorate has lost any personnel since January 20th, 2025? >> That's your answer? >> In Hawaii, there's been a plus up. In every single state that I'm looking at, we have allocated a plus up for field offices across the country so that the FBI can continuing the historic achievements it's done in these last seven months. When you're talking about firings, you're looking for a media hit and a fundraising clip. And I'm not going to give it to you. It doesn't matter. I'm under what basis they left. I just want to know how many have left and I think your testimony is nobody has left. Next question. >> Nope. That's not my testimony. You asked it one time. I answered it one time. You didn't get the answer you wanted for your cliff. Keep asking it. And I told you I'd get you the numbers, but you can keep asking it. No, I think the American people believe the truth that I'm not in the weeds on the everyday movements of inmates. What I am doing is protecting this country, providing historic reform, and combating the weaponization of intelligence by the likes of you. And we have countlessly proven you to be a lawyer in Russia gate in January 6. You are the biggest fraud to ever sit in the United States Senate. You are a disgrace to this institution and an utter coward. >> I'm not surprised. >> I'm not surprised that you continue to lie from your perch and put on a show so you can go raise money for your charade. You are a political buffoon at best. >> Well, you can take an internet >> take it to the bank that the FBI is protecting this country and the state and citizens of California. historic reform internet point of order. >> But all you care about is a child sex predator that was prosecuted by a prior administration and the Obama Justice Department and the Biden Justice Department did squat. And what did President Trump do? Bring new charges courageously. And what have we done? I'm the most transparent FBI director in history. 33,000 pages of information to you. I challenge you to say anything credibly to the truth. Go ahead and run to the cameras where you want to go now. >> Now, thank goodness the Republicans have finally cottoned on to what the Democrats are trying to do every time one of these occurs. It is not about un uncovering the truth. It's not about exposing the lies. It's trying to get a 10-second sound bite on the news. CNN Exactly. NBC, MSNBC. There is nothing legitimate about it. It is an entertainment show where all they are trying to do is get their little face on the news in some clever smart alec. Oh, I took him down. Well, no, you didn't actually because Republicans stop playing their game. >> Exactly. Exactly. Good job. They finally learned and they're like, you know what? We are going to get the things done that we promised and we're not going to be distracted by your sound bites as you said. >> Amazing. Thank you, Tyler Sh. Thank you so much. Okay, it's now time for my main interview of the show and that is with uh Professor Gard Sard, one of the greats and he is a visiting scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom University of Mississippi and it gives me great pleasure to have him on. Enjoy >> doctor. Always wonderful to see you. Thank you so so much for joining us here. >> It is wonderful to be with you. Thank congratulations on your continued success. Very good. Oh, bless coming from you that that's means of the world. Thank you so so much. I I want to talk to you first of all about Charlie Kirk. Uh people are still shocked uh devastated. A lot of people are celebrating it. It's been unbelievable the reaction. What do you make of the way people have not only felt because that's one thing but been okay to express? >> Right. So to start with the people who are grieving uh it's unbelievable the number of emails that I've received from total strangers. I received an email today from a person in Malawi in Africa who was very very moved by uh what happened to Charlie. And so of course a lot of people even if they didn't know him understood that he was a positive light. He was a positive force. And so they grieve as though they're the brother, the son, the boyfriend that they uh that they wish that they had. And so and of course given that he was a personal friend, it was uh I mean I couldn't tell you. I was I was floating on a dark cloud of rage. Uh I continue to be whenever I see his image now. I mean we recently had a chat together. Uh it's just it's it's difficult to process. Of course, on the other hand, the people who are uh celebrating him, celebrating his death, it really makes you wonder what you know who raised these people. Listen, I I have a lot of people who send me a lot of hateful stuff who are really truly degenerate people. But I just don't have the reflex to ever think about ill will happening to them or celebrating and dancing on their grave. So, I guess we must be made up of different material. I often look at those people and I I look at who they cheer for and I take their hate as a badge of honor in many many circumstances because they're not the kind of people I would want to be fans. Uh doctor, there's a lot of talk about who fills that void left by Charlie and what he did was so incredibly unique in that he was willing to be vulnerable. He was willing to be engaged publicly and debated and challenged. Not a lot of people are. You're one of those people who are. Who who do you think can can slide into that spot if anyone? >> He's he's really irreplaceable in the sense that he had a combination of skills. Many people have one, two, three of those skills, but not all of them. So, he was very approachable. He was very humble. He was willing, as you said, to put himself out there. He was willing to be punchy, but always with a very warm smile. something that is difficult to pull off because often time when you're punchy you come across as moralizing or costic and you didn't get that with Charlie he's he was able to connect with the Tik Tok generation I've told the story before but it's worth repeating on your show uh when my daughter found out she's 16 years old when she found out that uh I was going to speak to him just earlier this summer she said daddy do you think that you could introduce me to him now I speak to a lot of very famous and very illustrious people. She never asked to meet them, but she did ask when it was Charlie Kirk, right? So, if I were to speak to 16 year olds, they might view me as the guy with the gray hair who's a professor. Maybe they might think that they can't connect with me, but Charlie was only a bit older than them and so he really had that unique touch. I'm sure there is somebody out there, but I'm not sure it's going to be easy to replace him. >> What do you make of Candace Owens? And I hate giving her air time, but but it's it's dominating so much on X, particularly at the moment, her theory and her her attempts to convince people that somehow Israel or the Jews were involved in this. I mean, what is your reaction? I'm not going to put words in your mouth. What do you what do you feel when you see that? >> Well, the first thing is, you know, I I spoke to Candace on my show many years ago when she was a much lesser figure, and I frankly I regret that. I I almost feel existentially soiled in the fact that I shared even though it was remotely that I shared uh the platform with her even if it were only for an hour because what she is exhibiting is exactly what happens when someone is paritized by what I call this is a game that I coined called six degrees of Jew. It's a play on six degrees of separation or six degrees of Kevin Bean. And so the way the game works, uh, Erin, is that I give you a calamity and you have to point it back to the Jews in six or fewer causal steps. And so, for example, if I were to say an Amazonian frog just died, how can we blame the Jews? Go. And I often will post this faciciously on on X and people do come up, even though they're just playing along, they will very quickly come up with six or fewer steps to blame the Jews. Well, it seems that much of Candace's brain has been taken up by six degrees of Jew. >> It's insanity, isn't it? and and even today, you know, we've just seen the text messages released of the alleged assassin had sent to his transgender partner essentially outlining what what occurred, what his reasoning was that he did it. Yet, that's still not enough. The other thing that I I find really interesting, and I don't know if you know Bill Aman, I know Bill Aman, I consider him him a friend. >> I I look at at at even what she is accusing him of, Charlie, and he has denied it and and there's no doubt in my mind that he is telling the truth. But Charlie wanted robust debate. People people would go to Charlie. He This is what he did for a living and argue their case if they believed vehemently in in in Israel or in in particular elements of the war in Gaza or in in a decision made by the government. That that's what Charlie did. Like like the thought of people going to him and and you strongly putting their position to him should not surprise anyone. I wouldn't have thought nor would it have offended him. >> Indeed. Uh look it this whole reflex comes in part from the idea that there are certain things that you sh that you say or positions that you hold that are so offensive that it amounts to a form of violence right that's what the left has promulgated uh for a while now if I were to link it back if I can be professorial for a second it really comes if we can trace it back to a specific idea pathogen known as deconstructionism. Deconstructionism is a movement that was I mean the real pioneer of it was a French philosopher by the name of Jacqu Derrida where he basically argued that language creates reality. And so if you put that there is no reality that exists outside of the things that you name that thing, right? And so once you actually internalize that framework, then you could potentially argue that saying something that I disagree with becomes a form of violence against me. Of course that's silly. Of course that we should be able to in a civil society to have debates and I constantly try to remind people about the difference between deontological and consequentialist ethics. If I could take a moment to explain it. C >> can you explain that? I'd love you to please. >> Thank you. So deontological ethics are absolute statements. So for example, if I say it is never okay to lie, that would be a deontological statement. If I say it is okay to lie to spare someone's feelings, then that would be a consequentialist statement. Now for many things in life, it makes perfect sense for us to be consequentialist. So I always joke, although I'm I'm being serious. If you want to have a happy marriage and you hear the following question, do I look fat in those days? then please quickly put on your consequentialist hat. And if you have to lie, then so be it because you're doing it for an important cause, which is to spare the feelings of somebody that you love. So that's okay. It's a white lie. But when it comes to foundational principles like freedom of speech, like freedom of inquiry, like presumption of innocence, those by definition cannot be consequentialist. So when you say >> yes, I believe in freedom of speech, and then you put the qualifier, but you're sinking into consequentialism, you shouldn't. >> Yes, that is that is so fascinating. Thank you so much for explaining that. I I want to get your take on this two sides argument that the particularly that the Democrats and the left are pushing at the moment about this violence on both sides. It looks very one-sided to me. Do you think that this this is an issue that both sides contend with equally? Uh, I mean, I don't have the empirical data, but certainly from having ears and eyes and a brain, I would think that it is much more likely to be on the left because they're the ones who have internalized that consequentialist ethos, right? They're the ones who uh burned down entire uh, you know, neighborhoods after his holiness >> uh, St. George Floyd was killed. He wasn't a particularly lovely guy. He was a hardened fellet. But him getting killed >> became completely justifiable for us to burn down the world. On the other hand, how many protests, violent protests have we seen when a genuinely beautiful gem of a human being got blown away, Charlie Kirk? Nobody did it. So, uh I don't believe that it is equally likely on both sides. Now, by the way, the fact that you could identify a singular exemplar on the other side doesn't make it equally likely. And again, this is something actually that I talk about in Suicidal Empathy, my forthcoming book. Uh, men are taller and heavier than women even though your aunt Linda is taller than your uncle Rosco. When you tell me that, professor, it's not true because Aunt Linda, you're simply advertising that you're a who doesn't understand statistical distribution. Nearly every single female player in the WNBA is taller than most men. But the statement holds absolutely true that men are taller than women. So this is exactly what they're doing when they are equivocating. You find a singular example where it is somebody on the right who killed and then you say you see it's equal on both side. We both do it >> and it's not true. Absolutely. So brilliantly put. Talk to me about moving forward in this space. Is there a chance of unity when you have people who are so deluded, so evil, so batshit, crazy? How does unity occur, particularly in a country like the United States post what's occurred? >> Well, look, I I wouldn't be able to get up in the morning with and, you know, with with, you know, and rub my hands with optimism if I felt that there was no chance to reach people. Now in any distribution there is a certain number of people that you're not going to be able to reach. Right? So if I want to dialogue with you and you either threaten me to death or you go la I don't want to hear it then there is absolutely no opportunity for us to have a meaningful dialogue. But if you grant me the courtesy to at least engage you and at least present you the evidence I'm of the opinion that I could flip you. And so I'll give you a very quick example about about 14 years ago almost 15 years ago now. And I mentioned this actually in the parasitic mind. A Jewish friend of mine wrote to me and said, "I'm currently friends with a doctoral student who's doing uh Islamic studies and she's telling me that there's absolutely zero violence in Islam. Islam loves the Jews." Well, you're a big expert on this. Uh, Professor Sad, can you tell us what you think? Can you tell me what you think? And so, I sent her a link with just a montage of imams across the world and what they say about the Jews. I didn't editorialize. She writes back to me and says, "Well, you sharing this clip proves to me that you are no different in your extremism. So, my sharing that meant that I was as extremist." Now, but I'm going to come to a point that's relevant to your question. It took her 15 years and she finally emailed me and said, "Hi, God. It's been a long time since we've last chatted. I just want to tell you that I feel so ashamed of how I had reacted to you back then and I now completely see, you know, how you were exactly correct. So, it took a while for reality right in the ass, but eventually it did. >> That is real. That's hanging in there for someone to finally come around, isn't it? That is patience. Who who do you think at the moment who poses the greatest threat to to the west and to all the things that we value and and that's peace, democracy, freedom? Is it Qatar and the Islamic extremists and terrorist proxies? Is it these nutcase influencers who are suddenly almost giving more validity and legitimacy to them by doing their dirty work? Who at the moment poses the greatest threat to all the things that we hold dear? >> Right. So the the equation for the catastrophe that the west is heading towards and it's not because I'm trying to plug my work. It's the parasitic pride plus suicidal empathy. >> So yes, Islam >> has many tenets that are inongruent with western values. >> But it only becomes a problem when we are paretized by cultural relativism that says, "Hey, who are we to judge the norms of another culture?" Number one. And then we say, and so here is a way that we could demonstrate that we're not bigoted. You know what's a great idea is to let in millions of people who don't share any of our values because then we could look at oursel in the mirror and really feel proud in our moral piety. Right? And so the combination of having a paracetized mind and a paracetized emotional system results in the hijacking of your survival instinct and then it results in the death of the west. You're seeing it in your country of Australia. You're seeing it in Sweden and in Britain and in France. So yes, there might be ideologies outside of us that are very dangerous. But what makes it dangerous is we say, "Hey, bring bring it in and let's show you that we can be killed honorably while not being racist." >> Insanity. Tommy Robinson, I I know, is a friend of yours as well. And what he did over the past weekend in terms of a show of force, people fighting back, does that fill you with hope? Does it does it give you confidence that that people are are cottoning on to their own suicidal empathy and the fact that it will destroy them and their children? >> It it does and actually one of the things that I think I will learn to deeply regret is the fact that I wasn't able to make it to speak at that event. Uh >> I nearly got there too. I booked accommodation. I sent him the screenshot. I was so close and then I couldn't. >> Well, then we could have finally met in person. Too bad next time. Uh look, it gives you some opt optimism. Of course, it does. But that has to that reflex of moral indignation has to happen in every nook and cranny of every interaction. Right? So when I'm sitting with someone at the pub and they say something that I think is uh challengeable, well, I won't keep my mouth shut because I want to be nice nice and be friendly. I will engage them politely. So yes, it's great to dedicate September 13th as the day of the Brits are coming back, but that's insufficient. Every single interaction where these dreadful parasitic ideas are spreading is where we need to have an inoculation center. >> What grade would you give Donald Trump thus far for his presidency, his second term? >> And of course, I am the professor of the people, so it is incumbent on me to give the grade. Uh, I will give him an A. Maybe not quite A+, but you know, somewhere between A and A+. >> And why? >> Uh, because on all the things that matter, he's done very well, right? Which is he's he's trying to crack down on crime. People have a right to walk around not feeling that they're going to be mugged and raped and shot. So, he is trying his best. He can't, you know, wave the magic wand and all crime is going to go. But he certainly is demonstrating the desire to do so. He has shut down the border. Uh that's a good thing. Uh there is no country if there is no integrity of the border. Uh you know, he is engaging all sorts of uh partners in the in foreign diplomacy. So on all fronts, I think he's doing a a great job. And I even feel, if I may say, Erin, I feel as though he's grown into his role in the second term. And and I think I want to offer a completely speculative uh theory, but I I think it it stands uh good on good merit. The first term, he was pissed off. People are coming after me. Nobody is giving me credit and so on. Well, now he's ascended to the mountain. Now he has won all that he has to win. Now he has lifted the World Cup and so that stress is off his shoulder and so I feel that even on the metric which he scored poorly in the first term which is he wasn't presidential enough. I actually think he's been very presidential this time around. So I think I might change it from A to A+. >> Well, I love that ever evolving. What What do you think of his successor? Is it JD Vance? Is it Marco Rubio? who I mean there's obviously time for both of them to grow and show what they can do, but who do you feel now would be the best candidate for the Republicans to to take over from him? >> I feel JD Vance. Uh I think Rubio's also great. I mean, when you hear him speak, he's spot on. I think he's doing a great job as Secretary of State. So, I think, >> you know, sort of the MAGA agenda is safe with both of them. But I think there's that extra little something that uh JD has. He's he's a bit punchy. Kind of not not unlike how we were talking about uh uh Charlie Kirk earlier, right? He could be punchy. He's a honey badger, but he's pleasant to look at. He's got a nice smile. He's good-looking. Not not to imply that Rubio is not, but he's got he's got the right mixture of stuff that frankly he looks presidential. Boy, he's very young. U so if I had to put my chips, please don't be upset at me, Secretary Rubio. I would say slightly more edged towards Jaden Bats. >> And just uh finally on world leaders who are not so impressive. In fact, the complete opposite. We see Donald Trump and Melania are in the UK at the moment. You've got Star Carney in Canada, Macron. Could you pick out potentially the weakest world leader that you think is currently in a position of power? Well, the weak I I know this is not answering your exact question, but the weakest would have been our fir former lady prime minister Justin Trudeau. Uh there is >> right. As a matter of fact, if you want to see an incredible clip in exchange between Megan Kelly and I when she had come on my show last and we were chatting, I don't have the exact words, but she said something like, you know, I can't stand Justin Trudeau. This is not a guy who can get on top of you and get the job done in the bedroom. But the only thing I could say is I love you Megan Kelly. >> I hope to never find that out ever. >> From your lips to God's ear. So, so, so I but I would probably say uh the British prime minister is probably top. Although, you know, Mark Carney is not ex does not exactly exude the model of masculinity, but you know, at least he's a globalist kind of banker type, a bit sleazy, you know, he he knows how to to to speak at the Davos encounter, you know what I mean? But I would say probably Starmer is the uh the king of the cast. Doctor, uh before I let you go, if you can just let us know when is suicidal empathy coming, how can people see you, watch you, hear you, absorb you in every way possible that is appropriate? >> Uh right. Uh well, so on on X, you could follow me at Gadsad. Um I have a show called The Sad Truth, S A D, both on YouTube and on uh podcast. Uh Suicidal Empathy. I was actually only supposed to submit the original manuscript by March 2026, but I've now sped up the timeline so that I'm about 6 months ahead of schedule. So, if all goes well, I'd like to think that maybe by late spring it will be in your hand on some beach where you're going, "God, I love Gad." I don't need to be on a beach or have your book to think, "God, I love God." But I'll love you more in that position. legend. Thank you for everything that you do, for the fight that you take up every single day. You're amazing. >> Thank you. You too. Cheers. Take care. >> Okay, time for fan mail now. And my farewell, which I'll keep nice and tight because it has been a super long show. Jay Tish says, "Aton's dad, speaker, who we head on, his son is a hostage, is hostage, too. My freedom feels hollow now. My cat, children's laughter, delicious food, cabbage garden, hugs, music, stars, Eton, trade me for a day. It's so true, isn't it? These little things that we just take for granted. And you're right, he is hostage. Everyone who loves someone who is currently in that situation is hostage until there is some kind of conclusion. That's a really beautiful way of putting it. Absolutely inspirational interview. What strong people. Yes, they are. They're amazing. Another wonderful interview. Erin lets her guests speak so the listeners can learn. God bless. Yes. It's always something that I've I've been big into and that's giving my guests space to speak. Uh I'm definitely not an interrupter or or someone who likes to dominate. I like to prompt and then I like them to give us their say and tell us what they're thinking. Uh here we go. Avocado man says, "If only she could spend one day in Palestinians territory as a Jewish woman." This is uh regarding the Emmy chick. I don't even want to say her name. who said, "Free Palestine and FIC ice. Uh, she won't last an hour." Really good point. Yes, I'd love to see how she goes in Palestine as a Jewish woman. Here we go. Oh, Steve says, "You're as much of a moral imbeicile as Trump." I mean, to be honest, that's quite the compliment. I I don't know what to say. That's That's actually really beautiful. Thank you. Thank you so much. Gosh, you guys, stop it. I need to remain humble and with things like that I won't. Please, please be brutal with me when one must be. Love you all. Thank you so much for watching and I will see you next week. Okay, time for fan mail now and my farewell which I'll keep nice and tight because it has been a super long show. Jay Tish says Eton's dad speaker who we head on his son is a hostage is hostage too my freedom feels hollow now my cat children's laughter delicious food cabbage garden hugs music stars Eton trade me for a day it's so true isn't it these little things that we just take for granted and you're right he is hostage everyone who loves someone who is currently in that situation is hostage until. [Music]
