[00:00] Well, uh, should we talk about Charlie
[00:03] Kirk? you've been on a roll with all of
[00:05] your reporting uh on the pressure he
[00:08] faced in the last uh stages of his life
[00:12] from his pro-Israel donors, the second
[00:15] thoughts he was having about his uh
[00:17] prior support for Israel and and some
[00:19] really key details uh including that um
[00:22] you know he he refused a funding offer
[00:24] from directly from Netanyahu. uh that
[00:27] billionaire Bill Aman convened an
[00:29] intervention to try to lobby him and uh
[00:32] your most recent article was that a top
[00:35] donor to his his his group Turning Point
[00:38] USA stopped support for Kirk uh right
[00:41] before he died.
[00:43] >> Yeah. So, let's just go back to the
[00:44] beginning considering where we are right
[00:47] now on this story. So, we've
[00:50] demonstrated all of those.
[00:52] We we've reported all of that out
[00:57] and now it's up to Charlie Kirk's kind
[01:02] of comm's guy, Andrew Kovit, to kind of
[01:05] to spin all those stories that have been
[01:08] certified as fact. But it all started
[01:12] after Charlie Kirk's killing with
[01:15] Netanyahu coming out and trying to claim
[01:18] Charlie Kirk's legacy and blame Islam
[01:21] and blame the radical left before even a
[01:23] suspect was arrested.
[01:26] And I introduced this story showing that
[01:28] actually Charlie Kirk loathed Netanyahu,
[01:31] citing a longtime friend of Charlie
[01:33] Kirk, that actually Charlie Kirk was
[01:36] going insane from the amount of lobbying
[01:39] and pressure and manipulation that he
[01:42] was experiencing from Netanyahu's forces
[01:45] in the United States. And it was all
[01:48] borne out by Charlie Kirk's public
[01:50] statements. For example, he made one
[01:52] very uh important comment with Megan
[01:56] Kelly on I believe August 6 of this
[02:00] year.
[02:02] And then I learned that those comments
[02:04] on August 6 came after this Hampton's
[02:08] struggle session influencer summit which
[02:11] has so many layers to it. But what did
[02:13] we know about that influencer summit
[02:15] before I reported that? All we knew was
[02:17] what Bill Aman said, which is I was
[02:20] lucky enough to share a meal with
[02:22] Charlie Kirk.
[02:23] >> What a little what a little
[02:27] just how deceptive can you be? It was
[02:29] just a meal. It turned out that Charlie
[02:31] Kirk actually lost it and accused uh one
[02:35] of his interlocutors,
[02:37] a Zionist fanatic named Natasha Heddorf,
[02:40] who's a lawyer in the UK, whose job is
[02:43] basically to get as many protesters
[02:44] jailed as possible for Israel. Um was
[02:49] apparently screaming at Charlie Kirk
[02:51] according to one source who was there
[02:54] and he said that it would be moral, this
[02:56] is like moral blackmail. So, I reported
[02:59] all that. Bill Aman threw a tantrum. He
[03:01] wrote one of his textbook uh 7,000 or
[03:06] 5,000word
[03:08] uh Twitter posts basically spinning the
[03:10] whole thing and saying, you know, he was
[03:12] very close to Charlie Kirk and there was
[03:14] it wasn't an intervention, blah blah
[03:16] blah. And then we learn that Charlie
[03:19] Kirk.
[03:20] So, so and then and then Candace Owens
[03:23] goes live about that meeting and becomes
[03:26] the target. Like the target isn't really
[03:29] on me. It's on her because she has cache
[03:31] in that world. I don't come from their
[03:33] world. I'm just gathering sources there.
[03:36] Um
[03:38] she becomes the target of like the
[03:40] entire Netanyahu apparatus in the US.
[03:43] When I say Netanyahu apparatus, I mean
[03:45] like it it is representing Israel, but
[03:48] it's a faction within the Israeli power
[03:50] structure that has embedded itself into
[03:53] the Republican Trump wing of the of the
[03:56] Republican party. And we now know who
[03:58] they are through my follow-up reporting
[04:00] to the second piece. So, this the third
[04:03] piece I did, it's two parts. First,
[04:06] Charlie Kirk lost his biggest I one
[04:09] probably his biggest donor, one of his
[04:10] biggest donors. And there was there were
[04:13] rumors about it. I was hearing people
[04:15] say in his camp that he had lost a big
[04:18] donor. And I got a tip on who it was
[04:20] from a TPUSA insider.
[04:23] Then um
[04:27] I heard from a separate source who
[04:29] attended a gala dinner in Los Angeles
[04:33] that this
[04:34] donor whose name is Robert Schillman,
[04:38] very appropriate name.
[04:39] >> They've always got a name. They've
[04:41] always got a name that matches the
[04:43] persona. Yeah.
[04:43] >> Why don't you call him like, you know,
[04:45] Seymour Kleptoitz or Lan FTowitz? Yeah.
[04:50] >> Uh I mean, it's just too appropriate.
[04:52] Bill Aman's almost kind of like
[04:55] very um you know,
[04:58] >> it's benign in comparison.
[04:59] >> It's it's very it's kind of eva
[05:01] evocative in a way. But anyway, so I so
[05:04] I I find out that Robert Schillman at
[05:05] this banquet had actually complained
[05:07] about Charlie Kirk and said this was on
[05:09] September 6, four days before he was
[05:11] shot, that he was defunding him. He was
[05:14] not going to fund him anymore and he was
[05:15] going to be contributing elsewhere. So I
[05:18] called up not only Robert Schilman I who
[05:21] hung up on me when I asked him about his
[05:23] comments, but the president of that
[05:25] organization, the American Freedom
[05:27] Alliance, who got really upset with me
[05:29] and hung up. And then I called the MC of
[05:31] the dinner who said that, you know, I
[05:33] can neither confirm nor deny and got,
[05:35] you could tell he was really nervous as
[05:37] well. So I went with the story. And then
[05:40] since then, Laura Loomer has been kind
[05:42] of like trying to find some avenue to
[05:44] attack me because she is a long time,
[05:47] she's a Schillman fellow. She's a
[05:49] Schillw woman and Schillman was one of
[05:52] her longtime backers. And she's now
[05:54] claiming, which is really interesting,
[05:56] Laura Loomer, I mean, this is someone
[05:57] who's actually like making personnel
[05:59] decisions inside the Trump
[06:00] administration
[06:02] and um is very personally close with
[06:06] Trump. Um maybe I don't know, in some
[06:09] ways closer than Melania is. and she uh
[06:13] made an effort to kind of distance
[06:14] herself from Schillman, which is
[06:16] interesting because if you look at Laura
[06:18] Loomer's Twitter activity after the
[06:21] TPUSA summit in Tampa, Florida last
[06:24] summer in July,
[06:27] um when Tucker Carlson got up on stage
[06:30] and mocked Bill Aman as a scam artist
[06:32] and said, you know, Americans who go as
[06:35] foreign fighters for Israel should have
[06:37] their citizenship pulled and Epstein was
[06:40] a Mossad agent. and everyone was saying
[06:41] that on stage. Uh Loomer just went off
[06:44] on Charlie Kirk and said he talks out of
[06:46] both sides of his mouth. He can't be
[06:48] trusted. Um you know, basically setting
[06:51] kind of softening him up for what was
[06:55] going to be like a bigger Zionist
[06:56] campaign against him. And my you know
[07:01] what my theory is that she may have
[07:03] actually gone to Schillman and said
[07:06] defund this guy like destroy him. like
[07:09] he was under a
[07:12] a ferocious attack. And at the same
[07:15] time, this is the second part of my
[07:16] third story, fourth song off my third
[07:19] album. Um, the second part is about how
[07:22] I I learned more about these managers,
[07:25] these sort of Zionist managers that were
[07:29] con seeking to control Charlie Kirk's
[07:31] message as he embarked on his first on
[07:35] the first leg of his tour at Utah Valley
[07:37] University, speaking to him every day.
[07:40] They were trying to set up a WhatsApp
[07:41] group with him so they could speak to
[07:42] him every minute. Um, they were having
[07:45] Zoom calls. Uh, Bill Aman was on the
[07:48] Zoom call in this Zoom group. It was
[07:50] like 10 people. Uh, Joshua Hammer from
[07:54] Newsweek, who's one of Netanyahu's top
[07:56] uh, voices inside the US, who uh, on
[08:01] October 8th, 2023, the day after October
[08:05] 7th, called for Israel to flatten Gaza
[08:07] and turn Gaza into a football stadium
[08:11] and to uh, target its civilian
[08:14] population and expel them.
[08:16] uh you know he's a Newsweek editor at
[08:18] large but he's just a he's an Israeli
[08:21] plant and then Shawn Maguire someone to
[08:25] really keep an eye on who's a a VC he's
[08:27] a venture capitalist at Sequoia Capital
[08:30] who said that uh Zoran Mandani comes
[08:32] from a culture of lying and uh he just
[08:36] made several racist comments about him
[08:39] these guys are all targeting Manni too
[08:41] and they were trying to work through
[08:42] Charlie Kirk to they're obsessed with
[08:44] mom Donnie
[08:45] And uh part of the reason that the
[08:48] influencer summit was convened with AC
[08:50] by Aman and the Hamptons was to
[08:53] basically buy
[08:55] clicks by influencers who were
[08:58] disproportionately
[08:59] young, seemingly attractive women and
[09:02] minority males against mom Donnie to get
[09:05] them to do posts against mom Donnie.
[09:07] >> Uh and they're just straight up uh
[09:10] grooming them.
[09:11] >> Yeah. Then you know they all many of
[09:12] them went on a prop free Israeli
[09:15] government sponsored propaganda trip
[09:17] soon after. But back to the zoom calls
[09:21] the zoom there was one figure in
[09:23] particular named pesa wiki from a group
[09:26] called Israel 365 action which has a
[09:29] contract with the Israeli foreign
[09:30] ministry to send mostly conservative
[09:33] Christian influencers to Israel on
[09:36] propaganda tours. I got one of the the
[09:39] um invites that he sent to an influencer
[09:41] and published it in this piece. He said
[09:43] that he was on the phone daily with
[09:45] Charlie Kirk giving him talking points
[09:47] for his upcoming tour and that Charlie
[09:49] Kirk was pushing back and that he seemed
[09:52] frustrated and that he had kind of like
[09:54] um he was under the influence of people
[09:56] that Woolicki didn't like. So it was
[09:59] very clear Charlie Kirk was undergoing a
[10:01] transformation. And so if we start from
[10:03] the beginning, Netanyahu was trying to
[10:05] claim Charlie Kirk. he thought it was
[10:07] going to go very well and that uh none
[10:09] of this would come out. It all comes
[10:11] out. It's now at the point where like JD
[10:14] Vance on Charlie Kirk's show after Kirk
[10:18] was killed confirmed something I
[10:20] reported which is that Charlie Kirk
[10:22] personally went like stormed into the
[10:24] White House and demanded that they not
[10:26] attack Iran
[10:29] uh after like towards the end of the
[10:30] 12-day war that they not basically
[10:33] rescue Israel. Vance confirmed that. So
[10:37] Netanyahu had a real problem. And then
[10:40] something else was happening at the same
[10:41] time.
[10:43] And I have no control over this. Like I
[10:45] said in my first piece, there is no
[10:47] evidence that Israel play the Israeli
[10:50] government played a role in Charlie
[10:51] Kirk's assassination. And I called it an
[10:53] unsubstantiated theory. All right. So,
[10:56] just to be clear about that, um, other
[11:00] people drew the conclusion that Israel
[11:02] did kill him and they were getting
[11:06] millions of impressions on social media.
[11:08] >> And given what Israel gets away with
[11:10] every single day, you can understand why
[11:11] people would draw that conclusion. It's
[11:14] understandable in this context where
[11:15] Israel has impunity to do whatever it
[11:17] wants and is therefore accel
[11:23] for for for anything even if there's no
[11:25] evidence to support it.
[11:26] >> Yeah, of course. I mean, who they are
[11:29] the
[11:30] they hold the record for global
[11:32] assassinations.
[11:33] >> Yeah,
[11:33] >> that's their mo.
[11:35] >> Uh and they take credit for
[11:37] assassinating journalists every week in
[11:39] the Gaza Strip. They boast about it. Uh
[11:42] but here this provoked Netanyahu not
[11:47] once but twice, the second time on his
[11:50] personal prime minister social media
[11:52] channel to declare
[11:56] uh to categorically deny that he
[11:58] assassinated Charlie Kirk. I mean when
[12:01] have you ever seen a foreign leader come
[12:03] out on his own valition and volunteer
[12:06] that he didn't assassinate a US
[12:08] political leader? It's never happened
[12:10] before. Yeah.
[12:11] >> And so many people actually took that as
[12:14] a confession of guilt. I saw it as uh
[12:17] for once Netanyahu may not have
[12:19] assassinated someone and he just wanted
[12:21] everyone to know uh that for once he
[12:24] wasn't guilty. But I don't uh I'm I'm
[12:27] struggling increasingly to accept the
[12:29] official story as it the the official
[12:32] story grows murkier and murkier about
[12:35] this assassination. And I'm just uh I I
[12:38] would like to see a better investigation
[12:40] and more evidence and the internet is
[12:42] definitely not buying it. So these
[12:44] theories are going to abound and run
[12:46] wild and you know for all I care uh you
[12:51] know I I I really don't care if people
[12:53] blame Netanyahu or not. I just don't
[12:55] have any evidence of that. Ben Shapiro
[12:58] also came out and deni denied that
[13:00] Israel did it. Yeah.
[13:02] >> How would he know anyway? Yeah.
[13:03] >> I mean he's just a tool. But this is uh
[13:07] it this was deeply deeply damaging to
[13:11] Netanyahu's PR
[13:13] uh and his ability to claim Charlie
[13:16] Kirk's legacy. And why why did it matter
[13:18] so much? Because Charlie Kirk stood a
[13:22] top the base the last base of grassroots
[13:26] support that Israel commanded inside the
[13:29] United States and it's falling apart.
[13:31] There's a conservative revolt against
[13:33] Israel and Israeli influence inside the
[13:36] US and they need that base because they
[13:40] need those young white Christian men to
[13:43] go to war for the self-proclaimed Jewish
[13:45] state.
[13:46] >> Yes. Yes. And that to me is the
[13:48] significance of your story. I um you
[13:51] know that to me is what this is all
[13:53] about. It shows that just the very thin
[13:56] grasp they have over the uh American
[13:59] right and how they're scared of losing
[14:00] it and they need that to be able to
[14:02] continue being the Jewish supremacist
[14:04] state that they are. And the
[14:06] intimidation tactics they go to against
[14:08] people, the combination of bribery,
[14:11] funding, and then blackmail by taking it
[14:14] away. I mean, that's how they operate.