Exposing Israel's growing rift with Charlie Kirk

[00:00] Well, uh, should we talk about Charlie

[00:03] Kirk? you've been on a roll with all of

[00:05] your reporting uh on the pressure he

[00:08] faced in the last uh stages of his life

[00:12] from his pro-Israel donors, the second

[00:15] thoughts he was having about his uh

[00:17] prior support for Israel and and some

[00:19] really key details uh including that um

[00:22] you know he he refused a funding offer

[00:24] from directly from Netanyahu. uh that

[00:27] billionaire Bill Aman convened an

[00:29] intervention to try to lobby him and uh

[00:32] your most recent article was that a top

[00:35] donor to his his his group Turning Point

[00:38] USA stopped support for Kirk uh right

[00:41] before he died.

[00:43] >> Yeah. So, let's just go back to the

[00:44] beginning considering where we are right

[00:47] now on this story. So, we've

[00:50] demonstrated all of those.

[00:52] We we've reported all of that out

[00:57] and now it's up to Charlie Kirk's kind

[01:02] of comm's guy, Andrew Kovit, to kind of

[01:05] to spin all those stories that have been

[01:08] certified as fact. But it all started

[01:12] after Charlie Kirk's killing with

[01:15] Netanyahu coming out and trying to claim

[01:18] Charlie Kirk's legacy and blame Islam

[01:21] and blame the radical left before even a

[01:23] suspect was arrested.

[01:26] And I introduced this story showing that

[01:28] actually Charlie Kirk loathed Netanyahu,

[01:31] citing a longtime friend of Charlie

[01:33] Kirk, that actually Charlie Kirk was

[01:36] going insane from the amount of lobbying

[01:39] and pressure and manipulation that he

[01:42] was experiencing from Netanyahu's forces

[01:45] in the United States. And it was all

[01:48] borne out by Charlie Kirk's public

[01:50] statements. For example, he made one

[01:52] very uh important comment with Megan

[01:56] Kelly on I believe August 6 of this

[02:00] year.

[02:02] And then I learned that those comments

[02:04] on August 6 came after this Hampton's

[02:08] struggle session influencer summit which

[02:11] has so many layers to it. But what did

[02:13] we know about that influencer summit

[02:15] before I reported that? All we knew was

[02:17] what Bill Aman said, which is I was

[02:20] lucky enough to share a meal with

[02:22] Charlie Kirk.

[02:23] >> What a little what a little

[02:27] just how deceptive can you be? It was

[02:29] just a meal. It turned out that Charlie

[02:31] Kirk actually lost it and accused uh one

[02:35] of his interlocutors,

[02:37] a Zionist fanatic named Natasha Heddorf,

[02:40] who's a lawyer in the UK, whose job is

[02:43] basically to get as many protesters

[02:44] jailed as possible for Israel. Um was

[02:49] apparently screaming at Charlie Kirk

[02:51] according to one source who was there

[02:54] and he said that it would be moral, this

[02:56] is like moral blackmail. So, I reported

[02:59] all that. Bill Aman threw a tantrum. He

[03:01] wrote one of his textbook uh 7,000 or

[03:06] 5,000word

[03:08] uh Twitter posts basically spinning the

[03:10] whole thing and saying, you know, he was

[03:12] very close to Charlie Kirk and there was

[03:14] it wasn't an intervention, blah blah

[03:16] blah. And then we learn that Charlie

[03:19] Kirk.

[03:20] So, so and then and then Candace Owens

[03:23] goes live about that meeting and becomes

[03:26] the target. Like the target isn't really

[03:29] on me. It's on her because she has cache

[03:31] in that world. I don't come from their

[03:33] world. I'm just gathering sources there.

[03:36] Um

[03:38] she becomes the target of like the

[03:40] entire Netanyahu apparatus in the US.

[03:43] When I say Netanyahu apparatus, I mean

[03:45] like it it is representing Israel, but

[03:48] it's a faction within the Israeli power

[03:50] structure that has embedded itself into

[03:53] the Republican Trump wing of the of the

[03:56] Republican party. And we now know who

[03:58] they are through my follow-up reporting

[04:00] to the second piece. So, this the third

[04:03] piece I did, it's two parts. First,

[04:06] Charlie Kirk lost his biggest I one

[04:09] probably his biggest donor, one of his

[04:10] biggest donors. And there was there were

[04:13] rumors about it. I was hearing people

[04:15] say in his camp that he had lost a big

[04:18] donor. And I got a tip on who it was

[04:20] from a TPUSA insider.

[04:23] Then um

[04:27] I heard from a separate source who

[04:29] attended a gala dinner in Los Angeles

[04:33] that this

[04:34] donor whose name is Robert Schillman,

[04:38] very appropriate name.

[04:39] >> They've always got a name. They've

[04:41] always got a name that matches the

[04:43] persona. Yeah.

[04:43] >> Why don't you call him like, you know,

[04:45] Seymour Kleptoitz or Lan FTowitz? Yeah.

[04:50] >> Uh I mean, it's just too appropriate.

[04:52] Bill Aman's almost kind of like

[04:55] very um you know,

[04:58] >> it's benign in comparison.

[04:59] >> It's it's very it's kind of eva

[05:01] evocative in a way. But anyway, so I so

[05:04] I I find out that Robert Schillman at

[05:05] this banquet had actually complained

[05:07] about Charlie Kirk and said this was on

[05:09] September 6, four days before he was

[05:11] shot, that he was defunding him. He was

[05:14] not going to fund him anymore and he was

[05:15] going to be contributing elsewhere. So I

[05:18] called up not only Robert Schilman I who

[05:21] hung up on me when I asked him about his

[05:23] comments, but the president of that

[05:25] organization, the American Freedom

[05:27] Alliance, who got really upset with me

[05:29] and hung up. And then I called the MC of

[05:31] the dinner who said that, you know, I

[05:33] can neither confirm nor deny and got,

[05:35] you could tell he was really nervous as

[05:37] well. So I went with the story. And then

[05:40] since then, Laura Loomer has been kind

[05:42] of like trying to find some avenue to

[05:44] attack me because she is a long time,

[05:47] she's a Schillman fellow. She's a

[05:49] Schillw woman and Schillman was one of

[05:52] her longtime backers. And she's now

[05:54] claiming, which is really interesting,

[05:56] Laura Loomer, I mean, this is someone

[05:57] who's actually like making personnel

[05:59] decisions inside the Trump

[06:00] administration

[06:02] and um is very personally close with

[06:06] Trump. Um maybe I don't know, in some

[06:09] ways closer than Melania is. and she uh

[06:13] made an effort to kind of distance

[06:14] herself from Schillman, which is

[06:16] interesting because if you look at Laura

[06:18] Loomer's Twitter activity after the

[06:21] TPUSA summit in Tampa, Florida last

[06:24] summer in July,

[06:27] um when Tucker Carlson got up on stage

[06:30] and mocked Bill Aman as a scam artist

[06:32] and said, you know, Americans who go as

[06:35] foreign fighters for Israel should have

[06:37] their citizenship pulled and Epstein was

[06:40] a Mossad agent. and everyone was saying

[06:41] that on stage. Uh Loomer just went off

[06:44] on Charlie Kirk and said he talks out of

[06:46] both sides of his mouth. He can't be

[06:48] trusted. Um you know, basically setting

[06:51] kind of softening him up for what was

[06:55] going to be like a bigger Zionist

[06:56] campaign against him. And my you know

[07:01] what my theory is that she may have

[07:03] actually gone to Schillman and said

[07:06] defund this guy like destroy him. like

[07:09] he was under a

[07:12] a ferocious attack. And at the same

[07:15] time, this is the second part of my

[07:16] third story, fourth song off my third

[07:19] album. Um, the second part is about how

[07:22] I I learned more about these managers,

[07:25] these sort of Zionist managers that were

[07:29] con seeking to control Charlie Kirk's

[07:31] message as he embarked on his first on

[07:35] the first leg of his tour at Utah Valley

[07:37] University, speaking to him every day.

[07:40] They were trying to set up a WhatsApp

[07:41] group with him so they could speak to

[07:42] him every minute. Um, they were having

[07:45] Zoom calls. Uh, Bill Aman was on the

[07:48] Zoom call in this Zoom group. It was

[07:50] like 10 people. Uh, Joshua Hammer from

[07:54] Newsweek, who's one of Netanyahu's top

[07:56] uh, voices inside the US, who uh, on

[08:01] October 8th, 2023, the day after October

[08:05] 7th, called for Israel to flatten Gaza

[08:07] and turn Gaza into a football stadium

[08:11] and to uh, target its civilian

[08:14] population and expel them.

[08:16] uh you know he's a Newsweek editor at

[08:18] large but he's just a he's an Israeli

[08:21] plant and then Shawn Maguire someone to

[08:25] really keep an eye on who's a a VC he's

[08:27] a venture capitalist at Sequoia Capital

[08:30] who said that uh Zoran Mandani comes

[08:32] from a culture of lying and uh he just

[08:36] made several racist comments about him

[08:39] these guys are all targeting Manni too

[08:41] and they were trying to work through

[08:42] Charlie Kirk to they're obsessed with

[08:44] mom Donnie

[08:45] And uh part of the reason that the

[08:48] influencer summit was convened with AC

[08:50] by Aman and the Hamptons was to

[08:53] basically buy

[08:55] clicks by influencers who were

[08:58] disproportionately

[08:59] young, seemingly attractive women and

[09:02] minority males against mom Donnie to get

[09:05] them to do posts against mom Donnie.

[09:07] >> Uh and they're just straight up uh

[09:10] grooming them.

[09:11] >> Yeah. Then you know they all many of

[09:12] them went on a prop free Israeli

[09:15] government sponsored propaganda trip

[09:17] soon after. But back to the zoom calls

[09:21] the zoom there was one figure in

[09:23] particular named pesa wiki from a group

[09:26] called Israel 365 action which has a

[09:29] contract with the Israeli foreign

[09:30] ministry to send mostly conservative

[09:33] Christian influencers to Israel on

[09:36] propaganda tours. I got one of the the

[09:39] um invites that he sent to an influencer

[09:41] and published it in this piece. He said

[09:43] that he was on the phone daily with

[09:45] Charlie Kirk giving him talking points

[09:47] for his upcoming tour and that Charlie

[09:49] Kirk was pushing back and that he seemed

[09:52] frustrated and that he had kind of like

[09:54] um he was under the influence of people

[09:56] that Woolicki didn't like. So it was

[09:59] very clear Charlie Kirk was undergoing a

[10:01] transformation. And so if we start from

[10:03] the beginning, Netanyahu was trying to

[10:05] claim Charlie Kirk. he thought it was

[10:07] going to go very well and that uh none

[10:09] of this would come out. It all comes

[10:11] out. It's now at the point where like JD

[10:14] Vance on Charlie Kirk's show after Kirk

[10:18] was killed confirmed something I

[10:20] reported which is that Charlie Kirk

[10:22] personally went like stormed into the

[10:24] White House and demanded that they not

[10:26] attack Iran

[10:29] uh after like towards the end of the

[10:30] 12-day war that they not basically

[10:33] rescue Israel. Vance confirmed that. So

[10:37] Netanyahu had a real problem. And then

[10:40] something else was happening at the same

[10:41] time.

[10:43] And I have no control over this. Like I

[10:45] said in my first piece, there is no

[10:47] evidence that Israel play the Israeli

[10:50] government played a role in Charlie

[10:51] Kirk's assassination. And I called it an

[10:53] unsubstantiated theory. All right. So,

[10:56] just to be clear about that, um, other

[11:00] people drew the conclusion that Israel

[11:02] did kill him and they were getting

[11:06] millions of impressions on social media.

[11:08] >> And given what Israel gets away with

[11:10] every single day, you can understand why

[11:11] people would draw that conclusion. It's

[11:14] understandable in this context where

[11:15] Israel has impunity to do whatever it

[11:17] wants and is therefore accel

[11:23] for for for anything even if there's no

[11:25] evidence to support it.

[11:26] >> Yeah, of course. I mean, who they are

[11:29] the

[11:30] they hold the record for global

[11:32] assassinations.

[11:33] >> Yeah,

[11:33] >> that's their mo.

[11:35] >> Uh and they take credit for

[11:37] assassinating journalists every week in

[11:39] the Gaza Strip. They boast about it. Uh

[11:42] but here this provoked Netanyahu not

[11:47] once but twice, the second time on his

[11:50] personal prime minister social media

[11:52] channel to declare

[11:56] uh to categorically deny that he

[11:58] assassinated Charlie Kirk. I mean when

[12:01] have you ever seen a foreign leader come

[12:03] out on his own valition and volunteer

[12:06] that he didn't assassinate a US

[12:08] political leader? It's never happened

[12:10] before. Yeah.

[12:11] >> And so many people actually took that as

[12:14] a confession of guilt. I saw it as uh

[12:17] for once Netanyahu may not have

[12:19] assassinated someone and he just wanted

[12:21] everyone to know uh that for once he

[12:24] wasn't guilty. But I don't uh I'm I'm

[12:27] struggling increasingly to accept the

[12:29] official story as it the the official

[12:32] story grows murkier and murkier about

[12:35] this assassination. And I'm just uh I I

[12:38] would like to see a better investigation

[12:40] and more evidence and the internet is

[12:42] definitely not buying it. So these

[12:44] theories are going to abound and run

[12:46] wild and you know for all I care uh you

[12:51] know I I I really don't care if people

[12:53] blame Netanyahu or not. I just don't

[12:55] have any evidence of that. Ben Shapiro

[12:58] also came out and deni denied that

[13:00] Israel did it. Yeah.

[13:02] >> How would he know anyway? Yeah.

[13:03] >> I mean he's just a tool. But this is uh

[13:07] it this was deeply deeply damaging to

[13:11] Netanyahu's PR

[13:13] uh and his ability to claim Charlie

[13:16] Kirk's legacy. And why why did it matter

[13:18] so much? Because Charlie Kirk stood a

[13:22] top the base the last base of grassroots

[13:26] support that Israel commanded inside the

[13:29] United States and it's falling apart.

[13:31] There's a conservative revolt against

[13:33] Israel and Israeli influence inside the

[13:36] US and they need that base because they

[13:40] need those young white Christian men to

[13:43] go to war for the self-proclaimed Jewish

[13:45] state.

[13:46] >> Yes. Yes. And that to me is the

[13:48] significance of your story. I um you

[13:51] know that to me is what this is all

[13:53] about. It shows that just the very thin

[13:56] grasp they have over the uh American

[13:59] right and how they're scared of losing

[14:00] it and they need that to be able to

[14:02] continue being the Jewish supremacist

[14:04] state that they are. And the

[14:06] intimidation tactics they go to against

[14:08] people, the combination of bribery,

[14:11] funding, and then blackmail by taking it

[14:14] away. I mean, that's how they operate.