Dave Smith and Ian Carroll Break Down Charlie Kirk Assassination Theories and Israel Connections

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I took a lot of acid before this [ __ ] >> Let's go. >> This is going to get deep. I'm just >> cool. Cool. I'm ready, dude. That's true. I had one whiskey and some nicotine. That's all I'm on. >> Well, if you want to do acid halfway through just to spice things up, that's fine, too. >> That's right. I'm still coming down for my 20s, so I'm not worried about it, dog. [laughter] >> Welcome to Ludy Lockdown. This is Clint Russell. You know, Joe Rogan does this thing called Protect Our Parks. I'm I'm starting up a a new operation. It's called Protect Our I don't know. It's a working title. Culture Nation. I something something >> protect our people. >> Protect our pe something. We're working on it. I don't know. Um I dropped a link to this stream to Nick Fuentes. We'll see if he shows up if he wants to round out the four horsemen of the woke right apocalypse. It >> is. Hold on. Is that how the show is going? That Fuentes could pop in stone cold at any time no matter what we're saying. >> That would be for the record. >> Keep that in mind. >> He has not responded to my email. I've never talked to the kid. He's probably not gonna show up. But I was like, I've got Dave Smith. I've got Ian Carol. I'm gonna I'm gonna try and just nuke the internet and see if I can get uh Nick Fuentes in here, too. But anyways, uh yes, there you go. I'm joined by Dave Smith and Ian Carol. Dave, how you doing, buddy? >> I'm good, man. I'm I'm I've been looking forward to this. This will be a fun show. >> Hell yeah. Ian, my guy, what's cracking, >> dude? It's great to see you again. It's cool to finally get to talk to Dave. I'm stoked. >> Yeah, this is >> crazy time in the world. I got a Santa Santa mug here. Just uh trying to trying to work on the Jewish stuff, you know. [laughter] Coming with the Santa mug. >> Couple more. >> Get through to you guys. >> I mean, I'm just we're just trying to make it to Christmas at this point, I think, in America. >> Yeah. I'm getting nervous, honestly. Um All right. So, >> you know, Dave and I talk offline a lot. Ian and I do, too. But I I do have a question for Dave that came to mind based off of a deep dive in my own mind about the Charlie Kirk case that I've been wanting to ask Dave about. So I'm going to do that right now. >> Okay. >> So we're going to start there. I also want to say this is very free flowing. Ian, please, you've done more work than I have on Charlie Kirk. So I don't want to drive this ship. If you have questions for me or for Dave, please just hop in anytime. >> Hey, right back at you guys. I'm happy to have the tin foil debunked and assessed and >> Yeah, exactly. See if we can >> There's all sorts of stuff floating. >> We can get you back under your skis or or whatever. >> I'm not afra Yeah. I mean, I'm way out over the skis. [laughter] So, okay. >> Um All right. So I based off of actually your telling of the story, Dave, you were basically saying, you know, like it just doesn't make any sense to me that you would have Josh Hammer be in this kind of coaching role for Charlie Kirk because obviously Charlie Kirk is a much more gifted orator. He's actually much more likable. He seems to understand the history and the narrative and and he's just much more capable than Josh Hammer. So >> like does any of this make sense? So, I started to extrapolate out because this is what conspiracy theorists do. And I'm sure I'm sure Ian probably did the same thing. And my immediate my immediate conclusion, and I actually came to this like mid-recording, but I thought to myself, does Josh Hammer seem like an adviser that Charlie Kirk would have actually brought on to assist himself, or was that a funding requirement? Was he essentially a handler? And I All right. The reason, just to extrapolate a little bit further, the reason I say that is because at the penultimate event for TPUSA of this past summer, you you have this opportunity to either go along with what your donors want or go along with what the audience wants, which is to have Dave Smith and Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly, or you can get rid of all those people, appease your donors and make peace with the world, right? He goes the opposite direction. He brings on all the people and he tells Tucker Carlson, "Take the gloves off. Say whatever you want." And then he feeds, and this is how I framed it, so tell me if you disagree. He fed Josh Hammer to you because you had already defeated Josh Hammer in that debate and then you obviously did what you do and you devoured him again. So my question for you, Dave, is do you think this was Charlie Kirk standing up for himself? That he was intentionally basically spitting in the faces of his donors who had been pressuring him for the past two years since he questioned the false flag narrative potential about October 7th. >> Well, okay, there man, because there's a lot of questions there. So I and I want to I think I've I've kind of like probably talked about most of these things publicly, but I don't know if I've like put all of them together. But so there's a few things there. So first of all, okay, Charlie had texted me about um doing a podcast with him. It was after uh I did it was like shortly after I did the podcast with uh Rogan and Douglas Murray where we did the big debate. So shortly after that, he had texted me. I did share this text text message publicly where he had been like, you know, I forget exactly what he said, but it was basically like, "Hey man, like you did a really good job on that." Like, you know, I thought Douglas was really it was stupid what he was saying here and I actually agree with you a lot more than I disagree with you. Or something like that. And then he had said, "Hey, why don't we do a podcast, but it could be like what that was supposed to be, like it could be like a real respectful back and forth, like let's really talk this through and hammer out this issue together." And I was like, "Absolutely. I'd love to do that." And then he was like, "Okay, hey, it was like a lot of like thinking out loud." And then he goes, "Hey, well, I'm doing this uh what was it called? The student actions summit. Hey, maybe you want to come here and and I could moderate a debate and then we could do a podcast. That was like how it originally started was like we were going to do a debate and then a podcast and then you know there's all just like logistical issues and traveling and I couldn't come in till the Sunday. It was a full weekend event. So it ended up just being the debate. Now at first he was like he was like who do you want to debate? Who would be a good opponent? And I told him, I go, "Well, how about Dave Rubin?" Because f he live I knew he lives in Florida and me and him had just been talking [ __ ] online. So I was like, "Maybe him." And then he both him and Patrick Bet David had both told me no answer back from David Rubin. Uh in fact both of them were like did he change his number? And >> [laughter] >> uh >> good good career saving decision Dave Rubin. >> Yeah. So again, this is just full disclosure and I think that um I I think this might actually maybe take away from the case you were laying out that I don't know. It doesn't really disprove it. But then it was supposed to be Tim Kennedy and I agreed to that just because I'm a UFC fan and I'm a fan of Tim Kennedy and then also I thought that would I thought that would be like a good faith interesting kind of debate. So I was like, "Okay, I'm down to do that." Then for like whatever scheduling reason, he couldn't do it. And then he goes, "Okay, how about Josh Hammer?" And I, if I'm being completely, the truth is I said, "No." I went, "Nah, that doesn't really [laughter] interest me." Well, it was just at the time, if you could think from my perspective at the time, I was like, I just came off the Douglas Murray debate, which was the biggest show I've ever been on in my life and was like this huge thing. And I had already [ __ ] up Josh Hammer at at an Oxford style PR at debate at Princeton University where it was like and and I it was just like it couldn't have gone better than that. And then in my mind, I kind of felt like, well, at least what I said was I went, "This doesn't really make any sense because I already beat this guy and he's got nothing for me." So, like, what is this? But in my mind, >> you straight up said that to him, right? Like, you kind of said that in [clears throat] less words to Charlie, right? >> I mean, it look I have I have the text messages. I think I said I don't really think that makes sense cuz I already debated him and I already beat him, but I I probably didn't say, which is also, I don't know, weirdly a part of our world sometimes. I went, "Well, what's the point in that?" Like, I already won. That doesn't do anything for me. And I also I you could justify it. Like, that doesn't do anything for the cause or whatever. But, so I said, "No." And then Charlie came back and he goes, "Come on, dude. This will be so much bigger than that. This will be in front of the Turning Point audience and it'll get way more eyeballs." And then when he said that, I was like, you know, the truth is these young right-wingers are really who I am trying to reach. So, all right, fine. And so, then we worked out. So, look, I'm just adding that to go. It's not like Charlie's master plan was you'll come in here and debate Josh Hammer. >> It was a plan D. >> I I think that in a way maybe the easier explanation here is that Charlie, like I said, Charlie's between this rock and hard place, which is much bigger than me or you or Ian. Like, it's it's not any one of us. It's that the entire youth are turning against Israel. and his job is to be the Christian Zionist guy. And so I think he felt like he had to host the debate like and maybe that was a good way to plate everyone. You know, you got your donors here, you got your kids here. H maybe if I just moderate the debate and so but that again I don't know the answer to your your broader question here. But that being said, he ultimately did put on the debate versus being Josh Hammer. And yes, it did seem like he's feeding his boy to like the wolves. And yes, to your broader question, does it make any sense at all that Charlie was going to Josh for talking points and messaging? No. I mean, come on. Like the just objectively speaking, no. That was Charlie was much better at that than Josh Hammer is. And okay, and I'm sorry, I don't want to ramble for too much. This is the last thing I'll say and turn it over to you guys. But I think that, you know, Candice recently said some proverb, which I won't be able to repeat, but it was like, you take the king's money, you you fight the king's war type [ __ ] And I do think that there's a dynamic where Charlie got a lot of advantages that the three of us have never gotten, you know, like and and I never I don't want to speak ill of the dead and Charlie was a really good guy to me and I think a good person. So like I'm not like saying anything, but he was very talented and very hardworking and all those things, but he blew up younger in life than any of us ever did. and and he got a lot of funding from this >> cabal >> apparatus. >> Yes. Yes. And there is something to be said for like you know and I'm not saying that like Charlie Kirk had the right to say the right thing and break from them but at the same time you know the example I always use is like uh you know um if you guys are wrestling fans at all um you know the Montreal screw job the famous story about Brett the Hitman Hart >> and I just never in all those documentaries and all the retellings of the story I was never on Bret Hart's side. I always thought he was crazy. Like it was like, "Dude, what are you out of?" He's like, "I'm not gonna lose the title." You're like, "Dude, you didn't win the title. What are you talking about, dude? It's not yours to decide whether you lose it." like we scripted that you won it and now we're script and and look I'm not saying it's an apples to apples but you can understand where if billionaires are going to put you into prominence they're also going to put the people around you who they think ought to be the people and so what exactly was Josh Hammer's role I don't know he seems awfully close to Israel and then awfully close to Charlie's inner circle and I'm not exactly buying his story that it's that Charlie was so smitten and taken by his book. >> I don't know. I haven't read his book, but I debated the guy twice and he's got nothing to say about the subject. >> I mean, for example, you would have probably way rather debated Charlie than Josh Hammer. And I I think we can all assume that Charlie would have given you a way more intellectual and and cogent debate than Josh Hammer would have probably, right? >> In a way, yes and no. But then the no side to that, yes, he was capable of it, but at the same time, the difference is that Charlie would admit when you have a point. >> Exactly. >> And like and and Josh wouldn't, you know, Josh would deflect. He He's doing that. Charlie the the reason why I was actually really It would never happen. But the reason why I was really into doing it like a a conversation, not even a debate with Charlie Kirk about it, is because he was the type of guy that I almost feel like you'd be like, but but I could go, but Charlie, you know, like you get this and he would get I even I had a few moments like that with him offstage and he would just kind of smile and look away and kind but like you just >> I don't know. So So like I get your point, but at the same time I think Charlie wasn't dishonest enough to actually do that and not admit. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get your point on that. [snorts] >> Well, I see. I think this is kind of what I'm what I'm hinting at is that Charlie Kirk was kind of like Bret Hart in that he was telling Vince McMahon, I'm not giving up the belt. And they're like, this is not your organization. You don't get to decide to hold the belt and to continue to go off script and say whatever you want. >> You have to walk away. But he's like, "No, I'm not going to walk away." >> For the for the record, I was just using that as like a way to think about it. Like it I I side with Vince McMahon in that, but I side with Charlie Kirk and that. Like I'm But to be fair, Vince McMahon wasn't genociding anybody. You know what I mean? He was just He was [ __ ] on [ __ ] evidently. [laughter] But that's a separate story. And I don't approve of that either. But it is it's not as bad. But yes, that's right. That's right. >> Unsanitary. And Charlie signed that deal, so to speak. He made that agreement when he was a kid. Like he was 19 and got scooped up by Bill Montgomery who's in his 70s. Um and and then this whole apparatus of 501c3s and 501c4s and all these other organizations sort of spring to life around him over those next like eight years. And it's I mean show me a 19-year-old kid that understands the implications of that of what that agreement is going to come down the line. But I think that I mean I would assume I certainly don't know but I would assume that Charlie felt like he was at least you know the major contributor to building the organization. Like certainly I I would assume that he felt like his vision should be steering the ship probably. But >> well, look, but I mean that's one of those things where >> and I' I've experienced this in life before. Everybody reasonably probably felt like they were responsible for building it, you know, and like the funders and the backers also probably reasonably thought they were responsible cuz look, I mean, >> look, I don't know and I don't know anything about him, but what's the new kid who Turning Point's trying to push? >> Hollyand Brian Holly like the the >> All I know is that his sign has to cost like $5,000. I'm sure that the sign he's touring with costs more than my car. though. [laughter] >> Well, look, I don't I don't know. I mean, look, he see he kind of seems like he's AI. I mean, but I'm I'm sure he really exists, but it kind of seems like he's an AI video, but like there is a thing about him where you're like, look, I don't think that is exactly going to work. But you are like, yo, he is really talented actually. Like, I saw him say thing. You're like, well, this is like kind of weird. It's kind of weird to have a kid spitting like this kind of perfect script at you that you So anyway, I guess my point is Charlie was crazy talented. He was an unbelievably talented guy. He also had a thing that I'm not sure any of us have or actually I'm sure none of us have where you know where there's this certain talent and by the way Ben Shapiro had this too where you know there's this thing when there's a certain talent when like when you're 18 you're already 50. >> He's already like a 50-year-old man. He's already wearing a suit and tie and he's already like, I just want to get up and work all day long and all toward this. And like Charlie was incredibly driven in a way that I think people on the outside looking in think we're all the same. But like no, there's a real difference between what he was doing to what the rest of us were doing to find guys like that. >> Quick interjection like the only person I've ever met that reminded me of of him is Vive Ramaswami. I went on the campaign trail with Vake. Just >> I've heard that from other people too. are charging, super brilliant, polished. You're like, "Are you a robot?" Like, I'm not even sure you're a real person, but sorry. Go ahead. >> Yeah. And and and like No, but it's just it's an interesting thing cuz I I'll be the first to say I have none of that in me at all. Like I I mean I am like I want to like I want to hang out with my wife and kids and then I want to read a book before I fall asleep and maybe talk to you two guys and then but that's I'm just I don't have that like I'm going to conquer the world type energy and I want stuff. I mean, I want to be successful, but I don't have that. And so, they find people like that, but at the same time, there's also a lot of people like that who never do anything. But you find someone like that, and then they decide, we're going to launch you into superstardom. Who's Yeah, you could say it's really you. Sure, it is. It is you who built that. At the same time, would you have built anything like that if those guys hadn't like all aligned behind you? Probably not. Probably not. In a way, that is the most impressive thing about the Nick Fuentes phenomenon is that you're like, "Oh, [ __ ] You like actually built this." But again, Nick hasn't built what Charlie what Charlie did was a different [ __ ] thing, dude. Like you that that is, you know, it's it's um it's one thing. Believe me, I >> hundreds of millions of dollars backing him whereas you had tens of millions of dollars going against Fuentes. >> Exactly. Like that's pretty crazy. Now, that being said, as big as Nick is now, he's not going out and selling out um you know, Charlie was doing how many people were at those goddamn events, these events with 50,000 60,000 people there. I mean, this is this is like uh >> not, you know, I mean, it's it's there's really almost nothing else in this realm in our space that's comparable to that >> other than all the mega Zionist conferences that happen every other month, right? Every other week basically at this point. Well, megaurch churches, mega, you know, basically, yes, all within that same realm, but um or or Trump or Trump campaign rallies. I mean, there's really like almost aside from that, there's really nothing that was on that level. And yes, all of that is funded [laughter] by very similar sources. Um, >> but but once once you start to put that kind of money behind somebody, >> sure, they're going to think that they're a real boy, and yes, he was very talented, and yes, they don't get to where they get without Charlie Kirk, but they all know if you get out of line, we're going to rug you. Like, we're going to rug you. And if you don't accept being rugged, then we might do something really dramatic. And I think that's the point that Ian has been making since day two. and you know um >> by the by the world for doing so. Um but I just want to like elaborate just ever so slightly on why I feel like Josh Hammer is a handler. >> I know I sound like a crazy person, but um >> I don't think you do. >> Yeah. Well, I know you don't, but the rest of the world might. We'll see. Um you know, Josh Hammer, he has been on he's like a repeating guest on all of the biggest shows in right-wing media. And if you look at his podcast, it has as many episodes as mine. >> Wait, what shows? What shows is he a repeating guest on? >> Well, sorry. Not not on not not on Joe Rogan or any of those. But I'm saying like >> No, no, no. But I No, I just genuinely don't know. What shows is he a repeating guest on? >> Because you've never seen the episodes. >> I know. I know. He uh he writes for Newsweek or whatever. >> No, he goes on he's been he's a regular guest with Megan Kelly. He was a regular guest with Charlie Charlie Kirk on his show. Regular guest with Glenn Beck, I think Pobic as well. He's like he's like a a >> just a basically, you know, he's in that orbit, right? Um >> right. No one gives a [ __ ] about him. Like he's literally he's literally a non-factor. Like if you were to if he were to try and sell tickets to an event, he would get none. He would get like I have more of a following than he does by a lot. And that's crazy because I've never been on any of those shows. None of those shows have given me. Dude, did you see he was uh whatever his his podcast that was like the response to the Tucker Fuentes episode I saw had like on Newsweek's official YouTube channel and it's Josh Hammer the guy who's involved just just off look Ben Shapiro had like great numbers on his latest one. The whole comments section is against him but at least people wanted to watch people [laughter] don't even want to watch what Josh Hammer has to say. Like people wanted to hate watch Ben Shapiro his last episode. No one even. It is crazy that dude with in this moment it seems like he can't even like get a few thousand extra views. That's what I'm saying. He's just so mutable. It's like [laughter] you don't even care to respond and get clicks off the responses. It's >> But I will I will say just to cuz I look I'll just say that to the framing aspect. I I get your point with all of this and we could go down all these these like, you know, down these paths, but also I would just say that it's a little bit subjective or from your perspective to say who got what type of push back cuz like if you're saying Ian got a whole bunch of push back for saying it, you know, it was Israel who did this like 48 hours after this. Believe me, I got a lot of push back for saying that there's no evidence that Israel >> did. Exactly. I think you probably got more push back than me. I mean, like, if we're talking about in in the world of people who are watching this show and in the world of people in my my comment section, it was dude, it it might have been Ben Shapiro's last uh last episode or Steven Crowder when he debated me in his comment section. My whole comment section turned on me for that. So, just saying I actually think in a weird way that was the more, you know, like, you know, that'll get you [ __ ] hated, at least in our neck of the woods. >> Let me let me just finish my point and then I want Ian to hop on this. >> Sure. Sure. Because so the I look at like the reviews for Josh Hammer's podcast. He's he's the editor-inchief of Newsweek. He does all of the biggest hits in right-wing media. Um I do none of those. I don't work for Newsweek. I'm literally just a guy on Twitter with a podcast and a microphone. That's like all I do. I have more than four times or five times the reviews on Apple Podcast. I have way more viewership, way more listenership, way more followers. It's like there is zero organic support for this guy. He's a [ __ ] non-factor. He doesn't exist. He's just basically like, I am because of whatever the [ __ ] connections this guy has. He is in the orbit of all of the most powerful speakers on the right wing. And there's no audience to speak of. There's no drive. There's no demand. There's no audience that's following him around to listen to him. There is absolutely zero incentive for them to have him on. But they do. Why, Dave? Why the [ __ ] do they have Josh Hammer on their show over and over again? You see what I'm saying? And it just it just strikes me as like this guy is an up. Sorry. >> I don't think he's the only one either. I think there's a number of them just like that. >> Yeah. >> Well, I I I mean I guess the we could hammer down on like I don't disagree with any of that. I mean but what do you mean by an op? I mean like Yeah. >> I mean he was in a group chat and he lied about [ __ ] Charlie [laughter] Kirk saying he's going to abandon the pro-Israel cause 48 hours before he caught a bullet. You know what I Yeah, I was >> sure. Yes, I know. I thought that was wild. I talked about it a bunch on my show. This was that was an insane revelation that Candace brilliantly pulled out of him. But I don't know what exactly um I feel like it's almost saying with the tone that I'm arguing with you on that. I don't know what you mean by an op. I think that yeah, he was uh there's look what exactly the hell he's doing there and why all these people have him on. I mean, look, that's a good question. I really have absolutely no idea to that. And I think that the most probably aside from all the stuff we're saying, because there is an essence of it that's just kind of speculation where it's like, why would Charlie have this guy who sucks so much around him? Like, he's not even good at what he's supposed to be good at. How is he even helping? Um, but the fact that we have that he went out and lied through his [ __ ] teeth in the wake of the biggest like political uh assassination of our lifetime during an active murder investigation. That to me would at least make him a person that the uh, you know, the the police would like to have a word with. You know, I think in a way there's almost like, you know, I don't look, I don't have um any type of expertise in police work or how exactly you would be a detective, but then at the same time, just keep in mind Brandon Tatum was smart enough to be a cop. So, [laughter] basically anyone could do it. Like, anyone could. I don't mean that as an insult to law enforcement. if you're listening to this, uh, and particularly if you're in my area, I appreciate you protecting me, but I mean, if Brandon Tatum can do that job, but look, if you think about it like this, I think I'm right more or less about this, right? But if you were like doing detective work, there would be there, you know, there's like many different layers, right? So, there'd be, you know, you might say there was like a murder in an apartment building and then you came up and you were trying to ask people questions and someone like opened their apartment door and then slammed the door and went away. Like that might be enough to like raise the eyebrow of a cop and go, "Let's go ask that person some questions, but that's not evidence. That's not anything you could bring in front." And then there's like a level where, you know, they'd be like, like in the old cop shows, they'd go, "Will you come? We'd like to ask you some questions downtown." Now, you're not arrested. We don't have any probable cause or anything like we don't we can't make you come down, but we're like, "Hey, we'd like to ask you some questions." Then there's a level of being like a person of interest. Then there's a level of being a suspect. Then there's the prime suspect. Then there's we're going to get an indictment and arrest you. Then there's we've convicted you beyond a reasonable doubt of proof. Right? So I think what happens is sometimes when people are building these these theories and I'm not say it's not everyone's a conspiracy theorist and lots of conspiracy theories are real. But when people are building these theories, it's almost like if you go like, "Well, hey, there's this thing here that would make you raise your eyebrow or even there's this thing here that would make you go, we'd like to ask you some questions downtown." People will act like that is you were just convicted in a court of law. You It's like, "Hey, we're not anywhere near there." >> No, no, no. I I think just to clarify, he's a person of interest to me. Like that's where I'm at with it. >> I think that's reasonable. Look, I think I think what at least my and you guys can argue with me on this. I guess where I am in this is I would go just by lying the way Josh Hammer did and being so weird, you know, like it's almost like the way he was promoting his book in the interviews about it. It was almost like a wife getting like a life insurance policy. You're like Jesus Christ, dude. That would certainly be enough for me to go, we want to ask this guy some questions. >> But does it make him a person of interest? Debatably. I think the biggest, let me just say this and then I'll I'll shut up for a while. I'm sorry I've been talking a lot, but I'd say the biggest thing I heard is that there was the dude uh Harrison Smith, I believe his name is from Infowars, who I kind of dismissed at first, but he had said the one guy said Charlie um uh feared for his life. He feared that Israel was going to kill him if he came out against them. And then Candace, I know at one point, and I know Candace wouldn't say this, she like I trust that Candace wouldn't just lie and say this. She said three different people close to Charlie confirmed with her that Charlie was afraid that Israel was going to kill him if he came out against them. Now, I don't know who those three people are, and I don't have any trust in them, but I know Candace wouldn't say that unless three people had told her that. Like, I just know her. She was not lying about her friend like that. And >> two of them had it in writing. right now. We haven't seen that. >> No, we have not. >> But we do know that. [snorts] >> Okay. So, we have Candace saying that and we have the fact that his his right-hand man sent the screenshot of him saying, "I'm turning on Israel to the cops." Like, at least was concerned enough to go like, "You should look at this." So those those pieces of evidence to me and some detective could correct me if I'm wrong. I think if that's true that three different people said that about Charlie, that would make Israel a person of interest. >> Yeah. >> I'm just saying that alone would make them not a suspect, but a person of interest where you're like that's who we're going to be looking at now. But anything else you want to say, but Blumenthal jumped in on there, too, >> cuz Max Blumenthal and the Grey Zone also reported numerous uh sources corroborating that to them. And we don't really know if they're the same sources or different sources. I think it's likely there's overlap cuz often if a whistleblower is trying to whistleblow, they're going to, you know, get in touch with a few people maybe. But >> that's true. So for that's a fair point. And so I just assume always assumed those must have been the same three sources, but perhaps not. >> Yeah, it's hard to say. I think it very well could be. But um Blumenthal also elaborated on more reporting um that about Donald Trump apparently having a little bit of fear and other things in the Trump camp around this that um obviously, you know, you have to judge those sources for yourself. And I try not to base my arguments on uh sources that people have to judge for themselves. Um although I'll, you know, I'll think about it, but I try to judge my arguments based on things we can kind of all corroborate in the open air. Um, but I actually think that I would disagree with you guys. And I actually I'm not so suspicious that Josh Hammer is like necessarily a person of interest in the murder of Charlie Kirk. Um, like certainly sorry, I didn't I didn't mean to imply that. I just meant that I think he's a person of interest in the in the like overall >> greater kind of conspiracy control. >> Yes. Why is he actively lying about the mindset of Charlie? Why is he trying to deflect from a a obvious legitimate motive that we have evidence to know is real? >> Well, it just you know what it is is that the thing like the in a weird way and I think this is kind of at the heart of what's been going on in the last couple years and what's changed so much in the political dynamic. But like the the clear thing that Josh Hammer did was that he was rushing with his first and foremost priority was to protect Israel like and then to promote himself. But that the thing was to go like, "Oh, it's ridiculous. It's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory to think that Charlie Kirk was turning on Israel even are you surprised?" Right. With a Zionist, could there be any other response? >> But exactly. But in the same But the point is that in the same way as that might point toward a conspiracy, it also points against it because you go, "Yeah, that's how all of them are all the time anyway." Like, do you think like like you know what I mean? Like, >> but isn't that a conspiracy by nature? Isn't that a like duh conspiracy by nature? Like, isn't that the most taboo anti-semitic conspiracy in its nature? Is that unfortunately Zionists are inherently incentivized to protect Israel at all costs? And we all bear the brunt of that. When you say, I mean, Brett Cooper is currently bearing the brunt of that. She says like one thing that's totally reasonable about Randy Fine and you know, a couple [ __ ] and suddenly like all of these conservatives are trying to pretend like she's not a total sweetheart that it was beloved yesterday. Um, >> first of that was I saw that. That was cool. And can I tell you, I don't know anything, which I'm not supposed to. I don't know anything about that chick other than I know she was the girl who everyone said looked like she was related to Ben Shapiro who was on Daily Wire [laughter] for a while. Like that's all I know. And all I know is that I saw one time I saw a clip of her. I don't know if you remember this, Clint, but there was one time like a few years ago where she just gave like Ron Paul a ton of love in some clip and then that went viral like in our circles because we're like libertarian Ron Paulians and I was like, "Yo, that's [ __ ] awesome." like the ch cuz you know Ben Shapiro the reason I've hated him for 15 years and I will never stop hating him is because the way he went after Ron Paul and so I was like oh that's so awesome that his daughter is [laughter] on his airwaves saying how awesome Ron Paul is but I never thought much of it and then one time I was having lunch with Candace Owens and she started bringing her up and she was like oh she's about to leave the Daily Wire and you know when Candace gives you gossip you're like I don't know if that's really true or not but this one turned out to be true and and She goes, "She's awesome. She's I swear she's really solid." And so after that, I was just like, "Oh, I I think she's cool, but I never knew it." But that was awesome what she said. Um I thought it was perfect and it was a perfect like totally reasonable point. And like to what you're saying, Ian, the thing about that being the most anti-semitic conspiracy theory of all is like, well, yeah, according to those [ __ ] liars, that's what they would tell you is the most anti. But of course, in reality, that's [ __ ] just obvious. The idea that like the the idea that Ben Shapiro or [ __ ] Ted Cruz or any of these [ __ ] have loyalty to Israel is like they [ __ ] say it in their own words and then if you turn around and say it that's like oh what now? Now now you're anti-Semitic or something. So that's no the whole point is that obviously all these guys like does anyone you know any of them dude but it's not it's it's not even a Jewish thing. It's I mean it's partially a Jewish thing, but it's like if Ben Shapiro or Ted Cruz or Lindsey Graham or Randy Fine or or or Brandon Tatum for that matter. If their wife on their on their deathbed said, you know, I've been thinking about it and I [laughter] think the way Israel is treating the Palestinians is just wrong and then died and then a camera asked them, "What did your wife say on her deathbed?" They'd go, "She said Israel was the greatest country ever." Cuz they will just protect them at all costs. And it's very bizarre. >> But that but that's literally what happened with Charlie. But this is not him dying of natural causes of old age. This is him getting shot with a high-powered rifle, you know? Like, this is a big [ __ ] deal, David. Uh, sorry. I know I sound like I'm yelling at you, but I'm not yelling at you. I'm just like I'm genuinely freaked the [ __ ] out that I saw a guy that I kind of knew a little bit that's in like basically a colleague of ours in this world get clapped for [ __ ] no reason. And he seems to be a really good guy in a family, man. And no one gives a [ __ ] The public doesn't care. Nobody [ __ ] cares. It's like, why do I care more than all of his friends? This is crazy. >> Yeah. And then and then Pobic just then goes on. So like you're going to contaminate the crime scene. You're going to contaminate the trial if you suggest anything. If you ask any questions, if you presume any anything like as in, you know, innocent until proven guilty. This is America. Yeah, that's true. So Pobic proceeds to go on to X and basically daily post, I saw a leftist shoot and kill Charlie Kerr, right? And I saw the left cheer. And it's just over and over and over that exact same sentence. Like, dude, did you ever leave the intelligence agency that you used to work for? Because this is weird, dude. And and there's so many other establishment figures like him that were supposed to be Charlie's best friend, not to mention all of the TPUSA insiders that have openly lied multiple times throughout this case and said things that are are physically impossible. >> They just left Candace Owens in the wind. She's like, she's like, Charlie was saying he was abandoning the pro-Israel cause and they all just go, "Ly [ __ ] crazy bitch." And you're like, "What?" And it comes out of this moves on. It's unbelievable. >> Like for example, board member goes on to PBD and says, "No, Candace has nothing to do with the company. She hasn't been there for years and years and years." And it's like not only was she there like this year, but she also Charlie was saying he was going to invite her back. >> Well, I know this I know this from in the last year just hanging out with uh with Candace and hanging out with Charlie. And both of them came up when I was hanging out with both of them cuz you know, of course, we talk about all this [ __ ] when we're together. And both of them spoke about each other with the utmost like just love and admiration. >> Yeah. >> Like every time I you know and I um more so you know it's weird now after someone's you know been killed like that but like I was more when I was talking to Candace I was like what the [ __ ] up with Charl you know like I was like what is up with you know and this before when I was talking to Candace about this this is before I kind of like became friends with Charlie. Um, but I was like, you know, what's up? And she's like, like, he's the greatest guy ever. And she she had never had a bad thing to say about him. She loved him. And that's real. And I think it's something you could see in Candace's coverage of this is that she's like, and something and it's part of the reason why she's had such high ratings. Um, this isn't to take away from like the quality of her show or anything like that, but there is something just really compelling about like you're watching. First off, Candace Owens is like, you know, you guys all know Candace, she's a [ __ ] pitbull who's just fearless. you know, she gets a hold of something, she's like, "I don't give a [ __ ] what you call me. I'm going to shake this thing till I find something out of here." And like, you know, I think probably every now and then she latches on to things where there's nothing to shake out of there. But then every now and then she latches on to things and you're like, "Oh, you shook a few [ __ ] solid pieces out of that thing." But the thing that's been crazy about her coverage of Charlie is that you could tell she's also like in deep grief. Like a real like I just lost my [ __ ] brother, you know, type of grief. Um, and he spoke the same way about her. So, Eric, that dude Eric on Patrick Beth David who's like, "Oh, she wasn't." That's [ __ ] dude. Charlie loved her. She wasn't out of his inner circle at all. I could tell you that for sure. And in terms of being rattled, >> believe me, I think I'm quite rattled by this whole situation. I mean, I again, on top of the whole other thing, I just I got to know Charlie this year. It's very [ __ ] weird. you were just with him two months ago and and the debate that you had think me being there is part of the reason why he was killed. This is why I'm trying this this is why I'm trying to clarify. >> But if we're building a [ __ ] case, look, if we're actually building a case to build a theory, like like you were saying, Ian, right? And there's always been and I said this look I know I I criticized you and I didn't mean to like go out of my way to like you go like hey dude like we can't just say Israel did this but when I've given you and I have given you a lot of credit um and given you props on my show before one of my favorite things about you uh was always that I loved that you didn't have >> the the fake certainty that Alex Jones always had. And I like Alex. He's been very cool to me. But it was always Alex always presented everything as if it was a certainty when he was right or when he was completely wrong. Like I I mean just so many whereas Ian would always like and and you know you would always have these things where it would be like now listen there's this declassified document. Isn't that interesting? Now we don't know exactly what this means but like look I mean that's pretty and I always thought that was a better way to do it. And so like if we're building a case here, we we can't just go, hey, this is weird and this is weird. We got to go, okay, let's really look clearly there's one element to this that's just undeniable. Charlie was going through a profound thing over this Israel question. You know, look, everyone is going through a profound thing over this. I I just had a post on Twitter today about and it's and people are giving me a lot of [ __ ] about this, but isn't it crazy? Donald Trump came in with the greatest opportunity in the history of the world a year ago and right now there's a [ __ ] communist mayor in New York City. The Democrats have had a good night. The Republicans are having a civil war. They're [ __ ] and it's all over the goddamn Israel issue. It's like the whole thing. And so obviously Charlie Kirk was also in the middle of that battle. But the fact that he was in the middle of that battle and the fact that all the [ __ ] handlers who had been placed around him all lied through their [ __ ] teeth and the fact that Netanyahu tried to use it and all of that. None of that actually proves anything about what happened. >> It it's just >> it doesn't it doesn't prove it. But man is it funny. >> But let's rewind to the Let's rewind to the beginning controversial tweet. Um because your your criticism was totally not not uh taken uh harshly and I like I love it when people that that are respectable that are that are thoughtful criticize because that's how you have good cut conversation instead of having like [ __ ] shills criticizing because then you can't actually have a conversation there. >> Sure. Sure. And so my thinking like when I post this very controversial tweet the day after um if I remember the wording correctly is that I had kind of watched the day before and I had actually purposely stayed out of it for for one day which you know took some doing um because I you know I am young and rash. Um, [clears throat] and on that first day, obviously the internet was going crazy and the internet was already speculating wildly about Israel and I was watching that happen. And in the morning when I woke up, I mean, my first thought here is that, and I'd be curious what your opinion is on this, both of you, is that when I look at a highle political assassination, kind of at the caliber of a JFK, maybe a little below, but certainly not a lot of comparable assassinations, in my mind, the chances of that being a lone nut versus an intelligence agency, it is already more likely that it's an intelligence agency without knowing anything else about it. just because of like how many times has a lone nut actually shot a high level political person and and gotten away with it because every single one that I know of in history was told that it was a lone nut, but it's like pretty well understood that almost every single one was. This is nearly a threehour interview with Dave Smith and Ian Carol. And hi, I'm Clint Russell. I'm the other guy. Um, look, I'm not putting any ads in here. That's how much I appreciate you guys' time. I'm going to keep this really short. If you want to support the show, [ __ ] like, subscribe, comment, and if you really if you really love it, obviously share it around. But even more importantly, you can drop a super chat down below or you can go to libertylock onx. You can subscribe there. I'll follow you back. You can go to libertylockdown.locals.com. I'm going to keep this really short. That's it. That's all I got to say. Oh, and if you want to just get cozy, go to mypillow.com. Use promo code lockdown. Let's get back into the show. That's exactly the point I was just going to make. It's it's the narrative is always lonut and then the conclusion is almost always not lonut and it's intelligence agency. So that I think that's the reason I didn't have so much of a problem with your tweet. I just would have been like I would have put a it looks likely. I should have said was if so then Israel just shot themselves. But I was feeling spicy. And part of that [laughter] was was intentional because I knew I knew that all of you guys that were closer to the matter needed to and were right to be more careful about your words and to think very thoughtfully about how you interacted. And I knew that Tucker, for example, wasn't going to come out firing. But like I knew that we were going to get mad Israeli propaganda. I knew that we were going to just be in it with Israeli propaganda. and and at a certain point like I am always willing to get into the mud and fight in the mud and just like >> get in it. And so I was like I'm perfectly okay with posting something that's a little more bombastic because we are about to enter the craziest mudslinging festival that we have ever seen. [snorts] Um and I certainly didn't want the conversation about maybe it's Israel to die on the vine while they produce the narrative that we're we're obviously about to receive. Um so that was my thinking at the time. >> Okay. So I can you well look I can understand all that and and look there's been many times that I've gotten a little out over my skis or said something a little so I'm not like holding that against you and and I would think that and I I I would like to think at least in my case and I think in your case too that usually even if we get a little out over our skis we're at least pointing you know in the right direction and so yeah right um and so so first of all I would just say Clint to your point I I get what you're saying, dude. But like we can't get emotional about this and start thinking like women here. So there's [laughter] I get like if you just go if you just go, "Oh, isn't that weird that all this was going on and then he got killed?" It's like, "No, dude. That's not >> Hold on, Dave. Let me let me This is what I've been trying to trying to get." >> Hold on. But I want to I want to hit both of these points, but Oh, okay. Go ahead. No, I Well, I just I just want to say the the whole reason I've been trying to give Ian the the floor is because I followed this, you know, I just I followed this closer than you have, Dave. Like there there are a lot of things that aren't just weird, but like there's so many [ __ ] Yeah. There's so many bullet points here and no pun intended that that once you look at them, you you don't you don't come away just saying this is weird. You come away going this is probable. Like that's really where I'm at with it. I'm not saying it's guaranteed. I'm just saying it's like >> No. Okay. But I'm just responding to what you had said before to go like, "Oh, but okay, so obviously he had these handlers around him and then they're going to react in this way when he dies and then you go like, okay, but dude, come on." I'm just saying if I went out and got shot in the head tomorrow, like if I just went and got in a bar fight and got killed tomorrow, it'd be very easy to go, really, dude? After all these public debates about Israel, then he happens to get shot in the head. So, I'm just saying that argument is just not an argument that that's just >> when I'm driving. I think about that all the time, dude. I'm always like, if I get an AR in a car crash right now on everyone's going to be convinced >> like there will be the craziest conspiracy. >> Dude, it was who was the one was it MGT uh or uh M I'm sorry, Marjorie Taylor Green uh MTG uh who said um or maybe it was someone else who goes uh if I die, Israel did it. And you're like, yeah, but how do you even know that? Because would wouldn't there be a point where like if just some random person is killing you, you'd be like, "Fuck, I shouldn't have said that." [laughter] All right. Well, no, it turns out it's just So anyway, I'm just saying all I'm saying is like again, I'm not saying I'm not saying you have no case here. I'm just saying I want to make sure we remove the stuff that isn't real evidence. Like I remember there was this guy um who Okay, he I really just stopped responding to him. Ian, you may know who this is because he he I think runs in >> No, but he he [laughter] made he made this uh like he made a documentary about how Israel killed uh JFK and did 9/11 and he was like, "Dude, you have to watch this documentary. It's going to blow your mind, Dave. I know you're not convinced of these two, but it's going to [ __ ] convince you. You got to look at this." And I watched the documentary and I I got through the literally the first three minutes of it. And the first three minutes were a thing where he goes into this whole thing about during 911 where they have that interview which you guys may have seen with the Israeli chick and she's on the ground and she's like smiling and he's like what is she smiling about? Blah blah blah. And it just made me turn the thing off cuz I just went, "Dude, this should be cut out of your documentary. I know this might like this isn't evidence. We have to think like grown-ups here." Like this this So again, I'm not saying there isn't any evidence. I'm just saying when you start with and then that same guy, this is all I remember about him is after Trump got shot in the ear, he was like, "Uh, Trump never got shot. It was Israel and there was no bullet and there was this." And I'm just like, "Dude, you guys are talking about I'm not sure. >> Well, I'm not I'm not a point. If you want to say, would you go, hey, highlevel political assassinations, >> right? >> Do they almost always end up being more than what they seem to be? Do there does there always end up at least being unanswered questions that really point in the direction of there are unanswered questions? You know, like I don't know what was ever proved about Henley shooting Reagan. But I do know that he had uh what's his name? Bush's uh brother's like name in his address book and that he had like all the and that's enough to make you go like I think there was some more to that. So if you want to go hey like to that point there is a more than 50% chance that like there is something more to this >> that I would go yeah >> yeah well it does seem it does seem like >> JFK RFK MLK Fred Hampton like all of these major uh political figures and you got to keep in mind too this is all pre- internet dude like they could get away with [ __ ] anything like it was so easy think about how how easy it is today because they just day lose you with like propaganda and [ __ ] They could still get away with crazy stuff. They got away with releasing a boweapon on the planet that was man-made and no one even gives a [ __ ] We've all moved on. It was the largest transfer of wealth in human history. No one gives a [ __ ] It's like it didn't even happen. My whole show is named after it. No one cares. It's [ __ ] crazy. [laughter] >> And we have the internet, right? We have the internet. I'm just saying that it's not exactly like it didn't happen, man. Like that's part of the reason why we're all like getting the traction we're getting, you know? >> That's true. Sorry. I just just the only point I'm making is that like almost all of those high-profile political assassinations were the government. Like I think it was almost always domestic intel. >> Well, were you know were were all of them the government? I mean I Yeah, probably a lot of them were. Um and then probably a lot of them were >> I think the government is kind of a misnomer in that case though. >> Yeah. really deep state is a better generalization, but even that is kind of >> and even that's a generalization and then like them doing it versus them letting it happen is an important distinction, you know, I think I think that the clarifying point there is that if you can kill somebody and get away with it like the president of the United States, you are the [ __ ] government. Like you're you're the real government. You're like all the other bells and whistles and [ __ ] the FBI, the CI, like the president of the United States, the Congress, none of y'all are the government. If you can murder people in front of the world and get away with it, you govern this [ __ ] Like, that's the real power. >> Well, that's the Well, isn't that the ultimate libertarian insight? Like, the real [ __ ] libertarian insight, right? That like it's just there's really what call it whatever the [ __ ] you want to call it, but whoever's in whoever is enforcing their will on someone else is essentially the government in that [ __ ] instance. So, yeah, that's on violence. And and and look, I think um I think we should all be open to the possibility too that like even within, you know, like even to like the point that you were just like getting at, Ian, where you go like even the deep state isn't quite enough, right? Because you all know there are people there are like people who work for the CIA who would swear and pass a [ __ ] polygraph test that they'd be like none of these conspiracies are [ __ ] true. Like the CIA doesn't do that. But that's just because you don't know about any of that [ __ ] like you're just not in that [ __ ] department group which in fact if I've to the best of my ability if my consp because like I said we're all conspiracy theorists. So if my conspiracy conception of the world is correct to the best of my understanding I think it's all at this point [ __ ] subgroups that have long almost been disconnected from actually the CIA and the MSAD. Like essentially they all started contracting their [ __ ] out to like smaller and smaller groups that almost operate above those organizations with the weight of them but completely separate from those organizations. And so it like it gets complicated. But at the same point, I would just say keep in mind that it could be completely possible. I'm not saying any of this is true, but just to like for the thought experiment of it, it could be completely possible that Josh Hammer is the worst of what you all think he is. And he still had no idea what the real [ __ ] plan is or what the real conspiracy is. Like he's just put in his position to play his role and then other Yeah. Really? I don't really see him as a mastermind. He's not red in that [ __ ] the plan. >> Yeah. No, I've never I've never implied he's read in. >> And then I also look I also think with a lot of these things it's kind of hard to tell. Um and I know there was a big I one one of the um uh things that well one of the things when when Nick Fuentes was coming at me uh earlier in the year before me and him we we're under a temporary ceasefire right now but before that it's holding on by a thread. >> Israel. Um, >> it's doing better than the actual ceasefire. >> There's been It is Well, it is doing better. No one's been killed on either side. So, it is doing better than that. No, but he one of the things he was uh there was a clip that you know about where I was saying and I probably didn't say this in the right way, but I was saying the thing where I was like, look, like Israel in a lot of ways is the satellite of the US empire. And that probably wasn't the right way to put it. And and obviously I think I've talked a lot over the years about how much influence Israel exerts on our government, but these things are also kind of hard to parse out. And what I think it was um oh Clint, you might know this, but I think it was Soberin's quote who said the best way to understand the neoconservatives is the Israel lobby's marriage with the military-industrial complex. And like really that was almost like the whole key to this whole thing was that the [ __ ] this this core component of the Israel lobby married itself to the military-industrial complex and actually got the whole goddamn thing on their side. And that was like a huge change like that that is that is how the neoconservatives got the poll that they got cuz those guys >> you're wrong Dave. I think you're wrong. >> Okay. >> Bankers in what way? >> Bankers. Bankers are in charge of both of them. the banker. They all answer to the bankers. Like the military-industrial complex works for the banks. They they do the dirty work of the banks and they're making money for the banks. Like the Israel lobby, they don't like they're not as directly affiliated because they're not exactly corporation, but but like try to tell me that they have more power than the bankers, right? >> No, it's not it's not exactly that. So, I think like the banks >> the bankers almost preceded the military-industrial complex. It was a creation of theirs. It was it was their creation. Right. >> They have background World War I industrial. >> Right. Exactly. Right. So you have you have the Federal Reserve comes in a few years later we're in World War I then we're in World War both sides like this is going really >> but if you look at say like in the post post World War II >> there's the essentially what Alex Jones was telling you the conspiracy was up until 2015 but hadn't been for quite a while actually was that the Council on Foreign Relations and the uh the what's it the uh the World Trade Organization and the um the um [ __ ] what's the one I >> the World Economic Forum and >> No, it was before the trilateral the trilateral commission I'm sorry it was the trilateral commission the builder group and the council on foreign relations and that was true for a while but those were all that was like the Rockefellers and the Morgans and the oilmen and the steelmen and the bankers and the neoconservatives if you look at the first group of they weren't the elitists like that. They weren't at Harvard and Yale. They were at City College. That's where they were all about. They were like at the the New York [ __ ] city college because they could were Jewish kids from Brooklyn. They couldn't afford any of that [ __ ] But what they did was because it was all Waspy and the Council on Foreign Relations and they wanted to get their own. If you look at all of it, they all their [ __ ] it's like every goddamn Bill Crystal or um um you know, all the all their think tanks, all the Project for a New American Century and all the [ __ ] they all were funded by weapons companies. Like they went and made their own relationships with the military-industrial complex, started their own thing, and they kind of took over. Now obviously they linked up with other you know like they were they were pushing in the direction the system wanted to go and so bankers got on on board and like all these other all the old guard kind of got on board but those guys made their own thing that was separate from kind of like the ruling apparatus. But if you if you read Webb's book, you know, one one nation under blackmail, and I know you you reference this all the time. >> Fine. I listen, I I'm down to do your show, but I'm not going to start reading women. [laughter] >> We can talk. We can talk part of it. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. But I mean, joking, Whitney. >> Yeah, that book's crazy. And but the point I'm getting to is that like what she lays out is the history of, you know, both the mob and the mafia and how they how they do that over and over and over again and different different communities, different cultures and they always they basically recognize both a market demand and also um the incentive structure of the government and then they basically find like a gray or a black market way to get in there and then they use the incentive structure of the government to reinforce and re-entrench their own position of power. It's just that the Israelis, the Zionists, >> do it better than [ __ ] anybody I've ever seen in my life. Like they like they [ __ ] came up with the plan almost. It's crazy. >> Yeah, that's it, right, dude? But it's always But even that is like there's different Zionist gangs, dude. Like the [ __ ] different Zionist G dude, you know, Yidak Rabbin is not exactly the peace that everyone makes him out to be, by the way. But you know what I mean? Like he was a pretty [ __ ] bad guy, too, because it's all gangster [ __ ] But he was the one who was at least like, "Ah, for [ __ ] strategic reasons, we got to stop doing this to the Palestinians and kind of move away from this because otherwise this is gonna all go so bad for us, too." Like, but you know, you know, Yeitzakin's wife to this day blames Netanyahu for his death. >> Like, cuz he dude, if you think, you think any of the talk, even what [ __ ] Mark Levin is saying about uh Nick Fuentes right now is not as bad as what um Benjamin Netanyahu did to Yeitakin. Dude, they were they were doing Imagine literally, you know, how Mark Leven's talking about Nick Fuentes right now and he's going, "Little Nazi Nick, little Adolf Nick. Someone ought to stop you. You want to come see me?" And it was the weirdest thing ever. You're 80, you [ __ ] weird. And also, what are you trying to out Fuentes? Nick Fuentes. It's just so weird. Like, what are you do? Like, anyway, but you know what Benjamin Netanyahu did? They led marches holding caskets that said Yeitzakra on the side of them. They [ __ ] were like they they did these crazy over the top and then a Netanyahu fan [ __ ] murdered Yitsac Rabin, right? So anyway, I'm just making the point that even within all these [ __ ] gangs, there's different gangs that rise up. It's all just gangster [ __ ] That's what all of it is. As my point is that the neoconservatives were they were their own [ __ ] gang that was almost like an offshoot, you know, the way Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. They were an offshoot of the Lakood party. They were like the American vanguard of the Israel lobby van, you know, lood party and then they got way in with the military-industrial complex and they ended up get But the point is that there were there were other Zionist gangs >> who [ __ ] thought the neocons were out of their [ __ ] minds who were like, "Yo, dude, don't let them what are you talking about, dude? You're going to let Paul Wolowitz decide shit?" like there were like and and even and then there were like there there were other uh you know there were other groups of just like hawkish Americans who were like