FBI Director Kash Patel Reveals Investigation Details Into Charlie Kirk Assassination as Family Lays Him to Rest

[00:00] [Applause]

[00:00] All right.

[00:01] Wow, look at that. Beautiful.

[00:03] The investigation into Charlie Kirk's

[00:05] assassination, it's heating up with the

[00:07] FBI director revealing new details about

[00:10] what they've learned and what they've

[00:12] probed as Kirk's family and friends lay

[00:14] him to rest.

[00:16] I saw the wound that ended his life.

[00:19] I'll share the comment from Erica Kirk

[00:22] that stunned the world and go through

[00:24] the very latest in the case.

[00:29] [Music]

[00:34] Welcome to Crime Fix. I'm Anget Levy.

[00:36] Tyler Robinson is charged with murdering

[00:38] Charlie Kirk and he's in jail in Utah

[00:40] County, Utah, being held without bail.

[00:43] But just because Robinson is charged as

[00:45] a shooter, that doesn't mean the

[00:47] investigation is over. Far from it. As

[00:50] friends, supporters, and family of

[00:52] Charlie Kirk were honoring his life on

[00:54] Sunday, FBI director Cash Patel sent a

[00:57] post out on X about what the FBI is

[01:00] investigating. I'll get to that here in

[01:02] a few minutes. The county attorney says

[01:05] 22-year-old Robinson confessed to

[01:07] murdering Charlie Kirk using his

[01:09] grandfather's 306 rifle. But there are

[01:12] questions about how and why Robinson

[01:16] made the decision to take Charlie Kirk's

[01:18] life. What made a one-time straight A

[01:21] student and college scholarship

[01:23] recipient from a politically

[01:24] conservative family decide to take the

[01:26] life of a popular conservative activist

[01:29] because in his own words he spread hate.

[01:32] County Attorney Jeff Gray says Robinson

[01:35] was living with a roommate who was a

[01:37] male transitioning to female. and

[01:40] Robinson and the roommate were a couple

[01:42] and that Robinson's mother told

[01:44] detectives that her son had moved to the

[01:46] left politically over the last year or

[01:48] so.

[01:49] Robinson's mother explained that over

[01:51] the last year or so, Robinson had become

[01:54] more political

[01:56] and had started to lean more to the

[01:58] left, becoming more pro-gay and trans

[02:02] rightsoriented.

[02:04] She stated that Robinson began to date

[02:06] his roommate, a biological male who was

[02:09] transi trans transitioning genders.

[02:13] This resulted in several discussions

[02:15] with family members, but especially

[02:17] between Robinson and his father, who

[02:20] have very different political views. In

[02:23] one conversation before the shooting,

[02:25] Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk

[02:28] would be holding an event at UVU, which

[02:32] Robert Robinson said was a stupid venue

[02:35] for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of

[02:39] spreading hate.

[02:41] Now, Gray read text messages in which he

[02:43] said Robinson confessed to his

[02:44] partner/roommate

[02:46] to murdering Charlie Kirk. On September

[02:49] 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text

[02:53] message from Robinson which said, "Drop

[02:56] what you're doing. Look under my

[02:58] keyboard." The roommate looked under the

[03:01] keyboard and found a note that stated,

[03:04] quote, "I had the opportunity to take

[03:06] out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take

[03:09] it." Police found a photograph of this

[03:12] note. The following exchange, text

[03:16] exchange then took place. After reading

[03:20] the note, the roommate responded, "What?

[03:24] You're joking, right?" Robinson, "I am

[03:27] still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in

[03:30] Orum for a little while longer yet.

[03:33] Shouldn't be long until I can come home,

[03:35] but I got to grab my rifle still." To be

[03:39] honest, I had hoped to keep this secret

[03:41] till I died of old age. I am sorry to

[03:44] involve you.

[03:46] Roommate, you weren't the one who did

[03:48] it, right?

[03:50] Robinson. I am I am I'm sorry.

[03:54] Roommate: I thought they caught the

[03:56] person. Robinson: No, they grabbed some

[03:59] crazy old dude, then interrogated

[04:01] someone in similar clothing. I had

[04:04] planned to grab my rifle from my drop

[04:06] point shortly after, but most of that

[04:09] side of town got locked down.

[04:12] It's quiet almost enough to get out, but

[04:15] there's one vehicle lingering. Roommate,

[04:18] why? Robinson, why did I do it?

[04:21] Roommate. Yeah,

[04:24] Robinson. I had enough of his hatred.

[04:26] Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I

[04:30] am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will

[04:32] have left no evidence. Some thoughts can

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[06:17] to learn more and get connected to

[06:19] someone who can help. The text messages,

[06:22] they're a fullblown confession. There's

[06:24] no doubt about it. And there are

[06:26] separate groups of them in the

[06:27] information filed by the county

[06:29] attorney. In the last set, the public

[06:32] knows about. Prosecutor Gray said

[06:34] Robinson told his partner to not talk to

[06:36] law enforcement if approached.

[06:39] Roommate, how long have you been

[06:41] planning this? Robinson? a bit over a

[06:44] week, I believe. I can get close to it,

[06:47] but there is a squad car parked right by

[06:49] it. I think they already swept that

[06:52] spot, but I don't want to chance it.

[06:55] Robinson again. I'm wishing I had

[06:58] circled back and grabbed it as soon as I

[07:00] got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my

[07:03] old man would do if I didn't bring back

[07:05] Grandpa's rifle.

[07:08] ID EK if it's had a serial number but it

[07:12] wouldn't trace to me. I worry about

[07:15] Prince I had to leave it in a bush where

[07:17] I changed outfits. Didn't have the

[07:20] ability or time to bring it with I might

[07:23] have to abandon it and hope they don't

[07:25] find Prince.

[07:27] How the f will I explain losing it to my

[07:31] old man? Only thing I left was the

[07:34] rapple was the rifle wrapped in a towel.

[07:37] Remember how I was engraving bullets?

[07:40] The effing messages are mostly a big

[07:43] meme. If I see notice bulge UW on Fox

[07:49] Newing

[07:55] sucks.

[07:57] Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's

[07:59] Gun does just fine. IDK. I think that

[08:04] was a two thou a 2K dollar scope.

[08:10] Wink wink.

[08:12] Um, Robinson. Robinson again. Delete

[08:16] this exchange

[08:18] again. Robinson. My dad wants photos of

[08:20] the rifle. He says grandpa wants to know

[08:23] who has what. The feds released a photo

[08:26] of the rifle and it is very unique. He's

[08:29] calling me. RN not answering. Robinson,

[08:34] since Trump got into office, my dad has

[08:37] been pretty diehard MAGA.

[08:41] Robinson, I'm going to turn myself in

[08:44] willingly. One of my neighbors here is a

[08:46] deputy for the sheriff.

[08:49] Again, you are all I worry about, love.

[08:52] That came from Robinson. Roommate, I'm

[08:54] much more worried about you. Robinson,

[08:58] don't talk to the media. Please don't

[09:00] take any interviews or make any

[09:02] comments. If any police ask you

[09:05] questions, ask for a lawyer and stay

[09:08] silent.

[09:09] Now, as far as we know, the prosecutor

[09:12] and the FBI consider the roommate, who

[09:14] we've not named, a cooperating witness.

[09:17] But in the wake of Charlie Kirk's

[09:18] murder, several conspiracy theories have

[09:21] made the rounds on social media. Some

[09:23] suggesting men on the ground were giving

[09:25] hand signals to the shooter. The man in

[09:28] the white that you just saw is Dr. Frank

[09:30] Turk, a mentor to Charlie Kirk, who

[09:33] actually spoke at his funeral service.

[09:35] I start facetiming my wife. I'm saying,

[09:37] "Look at this. This is incredible." Then

[09:39] I start facetiming my son and my

[09:42] daughter-in-law while Charlie sits down

[09:44] and begins to ask questions. Now, this

[09:47] is where you may have seen an internet

[09:49] conspiracy. The man in the white hat was

[09:53] was giving signals to the shooter. Yeah,

[09:55] the man in the white hat was me. Okay, I

[09:58] did this with my hat. Maybe I touched my

[10:00] nose or something while I'm holding my

[10:03] phone because I'm FaceTiming my son and

[10:05] daughter-in-law.

[10:06] Now, Turk went on to say that the man in

[10:08] black that you saw was Charlie Kirk's

[10:09] main security guy. There has also been

[10:12] speculation that a private jet that left

[10:15] an airport after Kirk was shot was

[10:17] somehow involved in his murder. A man

[10:20] named Derek Maxfield was on that flight

[10:22] and he posted on Instagram that it was

[10:24] his company's plane. Maxfield wrote,

[10:26] "Any suggestion that the flights by N88

[10:30] kg yesterday are in any way connected to

[10:33] the tragic shooting of Mr. Kirk is

[10:35] inaccurate, false, and without any

[10:38] credible basis of any kind. So

[10:40] yesterday, as Charlie Kirk's friends,

[10:43] family, supporters, and even the

[10:44] president and vice president of the

[10:46] United States were memorializing Charlie

[10:49] Kirk, FBI director Cash Patel posted on

[10:52] X that every possibility is being

[10:55] investigated. Take a look. Patel wrote,

[10:58] "As the director of the FBI, I am

[11:00] committed to ensuring the investigation

[11:02] into Charlie Kirk's assassination is

[11:05] thorough and exhaustive, pursuing every

[11:07] lead to its conclusion. the full weight

[11:10] of America's law enforcement. Agencies

[11:13] are actively following the evidence that

[11:15] has emerged, but our efforts extend

[11:18] beyond initial findings. We are

[11:20] examining every facet of the

[11:22] assassination. We are meticulously

[11:24] investigating theories and questions,

[11:27] including the location from where the

[11:29] shot was taken, the possibility of

[11:32] accompllices, the text message

[11:34] confession that I just read to you, and

[11:37] related conversations. Discord chats,

[11:40] the angle of the shot and bullet impact,

[11:43] how the weapon was transported, hand

[11:45] gestures observed as potential signals

[11:48] near Charlie at the time of his

[11:50] assassination, and visitors to the

[11:52] alleged shooter's residence in the hours

[11:55] and days leading up to September 10th,

[11:57] 2025.

[11:59] Some details are known today, while

[12:02] others are still being pursued to ensure

[12:04] every possibility is considered. Our

[12:07] primary focus is to complete this

[12:09] investigation and deliver justice. To

[12:11] protect the integrity of the

[12:13] investigation and subsequent

[12:15] prosecution, we cannot release every

[12:17] piece of information we have to the

[12:19] public right now. We will ensure every

[12:21] question is addressed at the appropriate

[12:23] moment. regarding specific details such

[12:26] as questions about the plane that

[12:28] allegedly turned off its transponder

[12:29] after departing from an airport near the

[12:32] assassination site. We can share updates

[12:34] when answers are confirmed after

[12:36] interviews with the pilot and

[12:38] consultation with the FAA. We determined

[12:41] the transponder was not turned off.

[12:44] Incomplete flight data in rural areas

[12:46] caused the apparent gap. The entire FBI

[12:49] mourns the loss of Charlie Kirk. We will

[12:51] not rest until justice is served and our

[12:54] investigation into this assassination

[12:56] will continue until every question is

[12:59] answered. Now, this is very interesting

[13:02] because he's diving into these

[13:03] conspiracy theories. Patel testified in

[13:06] front of Congress last week and he said

[13:08] this about Discord, the messaging

[13:10] platform whose spokesperson has said

[13:13] Tyler Robinson did not plan the crime on

[13:15] the site but admitted to it after the

[13:18] fact on that platform. Reports have

[13:20] suggested that the FBI is investigating

[13:22] a broader network of groups that may

[13:24] have had some knowledge of the shooters

[13:26] plans. Can you give us any details on

[13:30] that? Following up what you've already

[13:31] said in public, how's the FBI working to

[13:33] find other potential accompllices, folks

[13:36] who may have known about the shooter's

[13:37] plans, folks who may have encouraged

[13:39] him? Any any update on any of that? So,

[13:41] in terms of what we do for an

[13:43] interrogation um perspective, we go and

[13:46] reach out to the family and community

[13:47] immediately. And we've conducted those

[13:49] investigations and interrogations with

[13:51] local law enforcement and we're

[13:52] continuing to do that because those

[13:54] closest to the suspect are going to

[13:56] hopefully know the most about the

[13:58] suspect and his beliefs and his

[14:00] ideology. On top of that, um,

[14:02] unfortunately, it has been leaked that

[14:04] there was a uh a Discord chat and for

[14:07] those unfamiliar with it, it's a gaming

[14:09] chat room online um that the suspect

[14:13] participated in. So, what we're doing,

[14:15] we've already done sort of legal

[14:17] process, not just on Discord, so that

[14:19] the information we gathered is sustained

[14:22] and held in a evidentary posture that we

[14:25] could use in prosecution should it be

[14:27] decided to do so. And we're also going

[14:29] to be investigating anyone and everyone

[14:31] involved in that Discord chat.

[14:33] Okay. Very good. I see the public

[14:35] reports that the Discord thread had as

[14:37] many as 20 additional users. It sounds

[14:38] like you're you're trying to run down

[14:40] all of that to see if that's accurate.

[14:42] Who else may have been on that thread,

[14:44] what they may have known. Is that fair

[14:46] to say?

[14:46] It's a lot more than that. We're running

[14:47] them all down.

[14:48] It's a lot more than 20.

[14:49] Yes, sir.

[14:50] And you're running all of that together.

[14:52] Every single one. Now, Erica Kirk,

[14:54] Charlie Kirk's widow and now the CEO of

[14:56] Turning Point USA, the organization that

[14:58] Kirk founded when he was just 18 years

[15:00] old, spoke at the service about the loss

[15:03] of her husband.

[15:06] On the afternoon of September 10th, I

[15:09] arrived at a Utah hospital to do the

[15:12] unthinkable,

[15:14] to look directly

[15:16] at my husband's murdered body.

[15:20] I saw the wound that ended his life.

[15:25] I felt everything you would expect to

[15:28] feel.

[15:30] I felt shock.

[15:33] I felt horror

[15:36] and a level of heartache

[15:40] that I didn't even know existed. Now,

[15:42] Erica Kirk says that doctors told her at

[15:45] the hospital that Charlie Kirk did not

[15:47] suffer. And from her, the woman who is

[15:50] mourning the loss of her husband and

[15:52] left to raise two young children without

[15:53] their father, she offered his alleged

[15:56] murderer words of grace. Take a listen.

[15:59] That young man,

[16:03] that young man

[16:05] on the cross, our savior said,

[16:12] "Father, forgive them for they not know

[16:16] what they do."

[16:20] That man,

[16:23] that young man,

[16:28] I forgive him.

[16:33] I want to bring in Mark Weaver. He is a

[16:36] prosecutor who practices in Ohio, but

[16:38] has also prosecuted death penalty cases.

[16:41] Mark, I want your thoughts on Cash

[16:43] Patel's tweet. He sends this out right

[16:46] in the middle of the Charlie Kirk

[16:48] memorial service and he's basically

[16:49] saying this investigation is not over.

[16:51] They're investigating everything. The

[16:54] the location of the shooting, the angle,

[16:56] the trajectory of course um that will be

[16:59] part of the case, the possibility of

[17:00] accompllices

[17:02] and the text message confession. Uh the

[17:06] text message confession between Tyler

[17:08] Robinson and the roommate, it is kind of

[17:13] interesting. I mean, it's really stuck

[17:14] with me and piqued my interest looking

[17:16] at that because it just seems like,

[17:18] first of all, not how 22-year-olds talk.

[17:22] And second of all, just weird that you

[17:23] would just spill your guts about this uh

[17:26] to somebody who's your romantic partner

[17:29] over text and that the roommate's not

[17:31] picking up the phone and saying, "What

[17:32] the heck did you just say?"

[17:35] This generation does more by text than

[17:37] by phones. We know that. Certainly a

[17:40] bizarre exchange, a bizarre relationship

[17:42] that and a bizarre actions that ended up

[17:45] in a public assassination. I think what

[17:47] the FBI director is doing here is

[17:51] understanding that political

[17:53] assassinations in America have a history

[17:55] of conspiracy theories with people

[17:59] thinking that not every lead was pursued

[18:02] or that some evidence was hidden or that

[18:04] there was some grand plot behind it that

[18:07] was never revealed. So the FBI director

[18:10] wants people to know that this is a case

[18:13] they're taking seriously. Now it won't

[18:14] be federal prosecutors bringing the

[18:16] case. It will be state prosecutors. And

[18:19] in death penalty cases, as you

[18:20] mentioned, I've worked on these. The

[18:22] jurors have to first come to a unanimous

[18:25] verdict that the the shooter is guilty

[18:27] and then they have to have a separate

[18:29] hearing where they have to unanimously

[18:31] decide for the death penalty. And so by

[18:34] shutting down any possible conspiracy

[18:37] theories, the FBI director is actually

[18:39] strengthening the ability of the

[18:41] prosecution to get the death penalty

[18:43] unanimously by both finding this shooter

[18:46] guilty and recommending the death

[18:48] penalty.

[18:49] And the FBI, of course, is assisting the

[18:52] Utah DPS and the prosecutors in Utah

[18:55] with this. They haven't ruled out the

[18:57] possibility of filing federal charges.

[19:00] They could always do that, but it seems

[19:03] like why would you do that if the states

[19:06] if the state's case is strong and they

[19:09] can get a conviction?

[19:12] That's true. Now, Charlie Kirk was not a

[19:14] federal official. So, in order for the

[19:16] federal prosecutors to take if there

[19:18] would have to be a basis under federal

[19:20] law because most crimes are state

[19:23] crimes. Uh now sometimes prosecutors

[19:26] will look at the jury pool, the

[19:28] respective jury pool and and which one

[19:30] might be more open to the death penalty.

[19:33] Uh and in when you get a federal

[19:35] district, you pull from a wider

[19:37] perspective, more people sometimes that

[19:40] might affect the decision about whether

[19:42] or not to pursue the death penalty in a

[19:43] state case, which is just the county

[19:45] where the crime occurred, or in a

[19:47] federal case, which is the entire

[19:49] federal district. I want to talk now um

[19:52] about the discord chats. There was a

[19:54] discord group chat with um more than 20

[19:58] people on it is what Cash Patel told um

[20:01] the judiciary committee last week and we

[20:04] know that the roommate was on part of

[20:06] that. I talked to Discord. Discord

[20:08] basically told me. Tyler Robinson did

[20:11] not plan this on Discord. Did not

[20:13] discuss it until after the fact when he

[20:16] told his friends he was turning himself

[20:18] in. Um, apparently the roommate

[20:20] discussed with another person what Tyler

[20:23] Robinson had told him, but we don't

[20:26] really know what Tyler Robinson who else

[20:28] he might have been talking to on

[20:30] Discord. Um, Cash Patel said they're

[20:33] chasing down more than 20 people. So,

[20:36] could he have been radicalized

[20:39] Tyler Robinson on Discord or other

[20:42] social media platforms? Because we have

[20:44] a kid who was 22 years old, a young

[20:48] adult who came from a conservative

[20:51] family, and then his mom tells law

[20:53] enforcement just in the last year or so,

[20:56] over the last year or so, he had started

[20:58] to move politically more to the left and

[20:59] become more, you know, pro- rights, gay

[21:02] rights, and protrans rights. And she's

[21:05] she makes it sound like he had become,

[21:07] you know, there had been a definite

[21:09] shift in his attitude and his ideology.

[21:13] For centuries, mothers have said to

[21:15] sons, "I think you're hanging around the

[21:17] wrong people. And up till about 30 years

[21:19] ago, mothers could notice physically who

[21:23] their sons were hanging around with."

[21:25] Now, with things like Discord and the

[21:27] internet, mothers have no idea who their

[21:30] sons are interacting with while they're

[21:32] gaming or chatting online. And so it's

[21:36] entirely possible that exposure to

[21:39] people from around the world with the

[21:40] same unbalanced views, deeply troubling

[21:43] unbalanced views that this shooter seems

[21:46] to have did radicalize him in a way that

[21:49] probably wouldn't have been possible if

[21:50] he'd walked down his street and looking

[21:53] looked for somebody who had a similar

[21:54] outlook.

[21:56] He also talked about Cash Patel did in

[21:58] this tweet um investigating how the

[22:01] weapon was transported, the hand

[22:03] gestures observed as potential signals

[22:06] at the time that Charlie Kirk was shot.

[22:08] We know that one of those was from one

[22:10] of Charlie Kirk's mentors, Frank Turk,

[22:13] but there have been some videos posted

[22:15] on social media of people appearing to

[22:17] do certain things. We don't know what

[22:20] those meant, but he's saying, "Look,

[22:22] we're investigating everything." Um, do

[22:26] you think this is because they don't

[22:27] want conspiracy theories floating around

[22:30] or simply because they're looking into

[22:32] whether anybody else was involved in

[22:34] this?

[22:35] I think it's great to chase down every

[22:37] lead and release the information.

[22:38] Transparency breeds credibility. Uh, as

[22:42] you mentioned, the man in the white hat

[22:43] is Frank Turk, who's a well-known

[22:45] Christian apologist and very close to

[22:47] Charlie. He has already publicly said he

[22:49] was facetiming with his son and

[22:52] daughter-in-law at that exact moment

[22:54] because he was trying to say, "Look how

[22:56] crazy the crowd is. We have so many

[22:57] people here. This is exciting." He had

[22:59] previously facetime with his wife and

[23:01] now he was facetiming his son. So the

[23:04] the man in the white hat holding the

[23:05] phone is not a signal. That's a a father

[23:08] who was sharing with his son an exciting

[23:10] moment because his son was a fan of

[23:11] Charlie Kirks. the the clip of the the

[23:14] man in the black shirt who was part of

[23:16] the security detail shows him just

[23:18] moving his arms and either scratching or

[23:20] or touching his arm. It's about a second

[23:23] and and we all know that a second of

[23:25] video can be so misleading. It could be

[23:27] anything. The notion that there needs to

[23:30] be a signal belies the fact that the

[23:33] shooter had a scope and a clear shot and

[23:37] could shoot it anytime he wanted to.

[23:39] There's no need for a signal because the

[23:42] shooter had a clear shot.

[23:43] What does your gut as a prosecutor tell

[23:46] you? I mean, you're privy to the

[23:47] information we have publicly, the

[23:50] information filed by the prosecutor. Um,

[23:52] do you think potentially there were

[23:54] other people involved or do you do you

[23:56] think it's just too soon to say?

[23:59] It is too soon to say, but I was more tr

[24:01] I was I completely dismissed the notion

[24:03] of signals. I hope that the FBI releases

[24:06] all the information that shows that

[24:07] that's ridiculous. But I was troubled

[24:09] that there was some chatter in some of

[24:11] these trans chat rooms that Charlie was

[24:14] in danger when he came to this college

[24:16] and that something bad was going to

[24:17] happen. Now, maybe that prediction

[24:20] happened every time he went to a

[24:21] college. That might be one explanation.

[24:23] But the notion of someone having it so

[24:25] much on the nose that is worth a visit

[24:27] by by federal investigators and and

[24:30] other investigators and someone should

[24:32] have to explain what led them to think

[24:34] that. As a prosecutor, I want my

[24:36] detectives and my investigators to do as

[24:38] much detail work as possible before I go

[24:41] to grand jury and certainly before I

[24:43] take it to trial.

[24:46] And you're right, there were some tweets

[24:48] and some other things, some posts that

[24:50] are floating around out there. I have

[24:52] screen grabs of them where they say, you

[24:55] know, Charlie, something's going to be

[24:56] bad's going to happen for Charlie Kirk

[24:58] on September 10th. And these were the

[24:59] day before and saying Charlie Kirk dead

[25:02] at 31, things of that nature. Um,

[25:06] that's really disturbing stuff. And

[25:08] these were days and days in some cases

[25:12] before the event. So, it really makes

[25:14] you wonder

[25:16] what was going on there.

[25:18] Yeah. when somebody is um controversial

[25:21] and it's it's a sad state of affairs

[25:23] when somebody who's speaking basic

[25:25] Christian faith tenets and basic

[25:28] American civics in a very civil way is

[25:31] controversial but that's the time we're

[25:33] living in when somebody is that

[25:34] controversial

[25:36] other people come together and try to

[25:38] find a way to silence him in this case

[25:40] they thought they were going to silence

[25:41] the message at least this shooter did

[25:43] and others who were happy about it or

[25:45] maybe talking to the shooter about it um

[25:47] may have been plotting and if they did

[25:50] then charges are appropriate but as a

[25:52] prosecutor I live in a world of proof. I

[25:55] don't want to make claims I can't prove

[25:57] and that's what the investigation is

[25:58] for.

[26:00] Erica Kirk told the New York Times um

[26:03] despite the prosecution already saying

[26:06] look this is a death penalty case we are

[26:08] pursuing the death penalty. She said she

[26:10] didn't want to be part of that decision.

[26:12] She didn't want to opine on that because

[26:15] she doesn't want that decision, the

[26:17] blood of that person on her hands. How

[26:20] much um does somebody like Erica Kirk's

[26:25] you know wishes factor in with a

[26:28] prosecutor? I mean this is what she's

[26:30] saying. She but she's leaving it up to

[26:32] them essentially. So, as the prosecutor,

[26:35] you know, you know that the defense

[26:37] attorney is going to come back and say,

[26:39] you know, at this point, they're going

[26:40] to just they're going to try to suppress

[26:42] all the evidence, of course, but they're

[26:44] going to try to save his life. That is

[26:46] going to be their end goal in a capital

[26:47] case. They're going to try to get the

[26:49] death penalty stricken. Do you just keep

[26:52] plowing forward with this no deals

[26:54] whatsoever?

[26:55] Well, the the notion of what families

[26:58] want was a a big issue in the Idaho four

[27:02] murders, which you covered probably

[27:03] better than any reporter, and you and I

[27:05] have discussed numerous times on this

[27:06] airway. Uh, and as a death penalty

[27:09] prosecutor, when I meet with families

[27:12] who who've uh seen their loved one

[27:14] killed, I want them to say what they

[27:16] want to do, and I want to listen to

[27:18] that. But I always have to remind them

[27:20] that the charges are being brought by

[27:22] the state. Prosecutors don't represent

[27:25] individual people. Prosecutors represent

[27:28] everybody and prosecutors have to make

[27:30] the best decision for everybody. So, I

[27:32] think it was wise beyond her years for

[27:35] Erica to defer that to prosecutors

[27:38] because it is their decision. Uh, and

[27:41] although I want to hear what the

[27:43] victim's family says, I can't be bound

[27:45] by it.

[27:45] Well, we will keep a close eye on it.

[27:47] Um, we're looking forward to learning

[27:49] who's going to represent this guy, Tyler

[27:51] Robinson. Uh, thank you so much Mark

[27:53] Weaver for your time. I appreciate it.

[27:55] Tyler Robinson remains in the Utah

[27:57] County Jail being held without bail and

[27:59] he'll be back in court next week. During

[28:01] his first court appearance last week, he

[28:03] only spoke when asked to state his name

[28:06] and showed little if any emotion.

[28:08] Meanwhile, Turning Point USA's American

[28:10] Comeback Tour, it's continuing. Monday

[28:13] night, the tour is going to the

[28:15] University of Minnesota Twin Cities for

[28:18] a rally event at that college campus.

[28:21] And that's it for this episode of Crime

[28:22] Fix. I'm Anget Levy. Thanks so much for

[28:24] being with me. I'll see you back here

[28:26] next time.