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Angenette Levy walks through the latest developments in the Charlie Kirk assassination case, from the appointment of Tyler Robinson's defense attorney to newly revealed text messages that prosecutors say amount to a confession. She examines Katherine Nester's history representing accused killer Kouri Richins, breaks down FBI Director Kash Patel's sworn testimony on Discord chats and possible accomplices, and brings in Utah defense attorney Sky Lazaro to weigh the strength of the evidence, the odds of federal charges, and what a death penalty case against a 22-year-old actually requires. Erika Kirk's raw words of grief and forgiveness toward her husband's alleged killer sit alongside the disjointed exchange between Robinson and his roommate. Levy questions whether those messages tell the whole story and previews what happens when Robinson returns to court.
A Case That's Far From Over
It has been a little more than two weeks since Charlie Kirk's life was taken by an assassin's bullet. One minute Kirk was speaking to a large crowd on the campus of Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah, and the next he was gone, shot in the neck. His wife, Erika Kirk, said a doctor told her that Kirk died instantly. At his memorial service, tens of thousands attended, and a video of Kirk's final moments played for the crowd.
Not long after that footage was recorded, Kirk's life ended and a manhunt began. There were false starts, but investigators eventually identified a possible shooter through surveillance video. Photos were released, and a mother three hours south of Orem, in St. George, recognized the young man as her son. She explained that over the previous year her son, Tyler Robinson, had become more political and had shifted further left, growing more supportive of gay and trans rights. He had begun dating his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders, which led to tense conversations with family members, especially his father. Robinson's parents and a family friend ultimately convinced him to turn himself in, and the manhunt ended after 33 hours.
Text Messages That Read Like a Confession
The Utah County prosecutor filed charges against Tyler Robinson for aggravated murder, tampering with evidence, and witness tampering. County Attorney Jeff Gray read text messages he said Robinson sent to his roommate and romantic partner, who was transitioning from male to female.
On September 10, 2025, the roommate received a message from Robinson telling them to look under his keyboard, where they found a note reading: 'I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.' A photo of that note was later recovered by police.
According to the charging document, the exchange that followed went like this:
- Roommate: 'What? You're joking, right?'
- Robinson: 'I am, I am. I'm sorry... I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you.'
- Roommate: 'You weren't the one who did it, right?'
- Robinson: 'I am. I'm sorry.'
- Roommate: 'I thought they caught the person.'
- Robinson: 'No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing.'
Robinson went on to describe trying to retrieve a rifle he said had been given to him by his grandfather, worrying about a squad car parked near his drop point, and fretting over how he would explain losing the weapon to his father. He told the roommate to delete the exchange and, later, wrote that he planned to turn himself in because a neighbor was a sheriff's deputy. His final message read, in part: 'Don't talk to the media. Please don't take any interviews or make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent.'
Erika Kirk's Words of Grief and Forgiveness
Erika Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow and now CEO of Turning Point USA, the organization her husband founded at 18, spoke at his memorial service about the moment she saw her husband's body.
'On the afternoon of September 10th, I arrived at a Utah hospital to do the unthinkable, to look directly at my husband's murdered body,' she said. 'I saw the wound that ended his life. I felt everything you would expect to feel. I felt shock. I felt horror and a level of heartache that I didn't even know existed.'
In an unexpected moment, Erika Kirk then offered words of mercy toward her husband's alleged killer. 'That young man, that young man on the cross, our savior said, Father, forgive them for they know not what they do. That man, that young man, I forgive him.'
Tyler Robinson Gets a Lawyer
At Robinson's initial court appearance, he did not have an attorney. That has now changed. The county commission approved hiring Katherine Nester to represent him. Nester and her law partner also represent Kouri Richins, the children's book author accused of murdering her husband by poisoning him in March 2022.
Utah criminal defense attorney Sky Lazaro explained that Nester previously worked for the federal defenders office before moving into private practice, and that she has now taken court appointments in both the Richins and Robinson cases. According to Lazaro, the Utah County public defenders office determined it did not have the resources to handle the Robinson case and needed separately funded, court-appointed counsel instead.
Because prosecutors are pursuing the death penalty, Robinson's defense must be qualified under Utah's death-penalty counsel standards, meaning Nester will need co-counsel and mitigation experts. Lazaro predicted the case will be costly and lengthy, with a trial unlikely before late 2026 or even 2027.
Robinson is expected to make his first court appearance with Nester on Monday. Lazaro said she expects little more than a status update: confirmation that Nester has accepted the appointment, a discussion of discovery, and scheduling of next steps.
Kash Patel: Examining Every Facet
The investigation into Kirk's assassination is continuing well beyond Robinson's arrest. FBI Director Kash Patel posted on X that the bureau is pursuing every lead. 'As the director of the FBI, I am committed to ensuring the investigation into Charlie Kirk's assassination is thorough and exhaustive, pursuing every lead to its conclusion,' Patel wrote. He listed a series of angles under review, including the location the shot was fired from, the possibility of accomplices, the text-message exchange, Discord chats, the trajectory and bullet impact, how the weapon was transported, hand gestures observed near Kirk at the time of the shooting, and visitors to Robinson's residence in the days before September 10.
Patel also addressed online claims about a plane that allegedly turned off its transponder after departing an airport near the shooting site. After interviewing the pilot and consulting the FAA, the bureau determined the transponder had not been switched off; incomplete flight-tracking data in a rural area created the appearance of a gap.
Discord Chats and the Search for Accomplices
Testifying before Congress, Patel was asked about reports that the FBI is investigating a broader network of people who may have had knowledge of Robinson's plans, including participants in a Discord chat Robinson reportedly used. Patel said investigators had already gone through legal process to preserve that data for potential prosecution and confirmed that public reports the chat had roughly 20 additional users understated the real number. 'It's a lot more than that. We're running them all down,' Patel testified, adding that the bureau is investigating every person connected to that chat.
A Defense Attorney's Read on the Evidence
Sky Lazaro told Crime Fix the text exchange between Robinson and his roommate stood out to her as unusual and disjointed, with visible gaps suggesting the charging document contains only a partial snapshot of the full conversation. She said she expects further discovery to produce the complete text history, along with any communications on other platforms investigators may not have had at the time charges were filed.
Even so, Lazaro was blunt about the messages' weight as evidence. 'If those can be authenticated... those are really, really damaging text messages. I don't know how you get past them,' she said.
On the roommate's cooperation, Lazaro said it would be unusual for prosecutors to bring obstruction charges simply because the roommate did not immediately go to police, as long as they cooperated truthfully once investigators made contact. She said that pattern is common in cases involving partners, spouses, or close friends of a suspect.
Could Federal Charges Follow?
Lazaro said she sees no clear basis for federal charges against Robinson at this point, since there is no indication he crossed state lines or that a broader conspiracy involving interstate activity exists. She noted that federal prosecutors would need something establishing federal jurisdiction, such as evidence of a conspiracy or out-of-state funding, neither of which has surfaced publicly. Given that Utah County has aggressively pursued death-penalty cases and appears committed to prosecuting Robinson at the state level, Lazaro said federal charges are unlikely unless that changed.
What's Next
Tyler Robinson remains held in the Utah County Jail without bail. He is due back in court on Monday for his first appearance with Katherine Nester as his attorney, with the broader FBI investigation continuing in parallel.
Video Transcript
The man accused of murdering Charlie
Kirk now has a lawyer and he'll be back
in court soon as he faces the
possibility of the death penalty if
convicted. And the investigation is far
from over despite the arrest. I look at
the biggest developments in the case.
[Music]
Welcome to Crime Fix. I'm Anget Levy.
It's been a little more than two weeks
since Charlie Kirk's life was taken by
an assassin's bullet. One minute Kirk
was speaking to a big crowd on the
campus of Utah Valley University in
Oram, Utah, and the next he was gone,
shot in the neck. His wife Erica said
the doctor told her that Charlie Kirk
died instantly. At his memorial service
last weekend, tens of thousands
attended. A video showing Kirk in his
final moments played. First stop.
>> Wow, look at that.
>> Beautiful.
>> And that was just part of that video.
And it wasn't long after that that
Kirk's life ended and a manhunt began.
There were false starts as far as
arrests go, but then a possible shooter
was identified through surveillance
video. Photos were released and a mother
3 hours south of Oram in St. George
believed she recognized the young man in
the photos. She believed it was her son.
Robinson's mother explained that over
the last year or so, Robinson had become
more political
and had started to lean more to the
left, becoming more pro-gay and trans
rights oriented. She stated that
Robinson began to date his roommate, a
biological male who was transi
transitioning genders.
This resulted in several discussions
with family members, but especially
between Robinson and his father who have
very different political views. In one
conversation before the shooting,
Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk
would be holding an event at UVU, which
Robert Robinson said was a stupid venue
for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of
spreading hate. Tyler Robinson's parents
and a family friend convinced him to
turn himself in. The sheriff of
Washington County said there was a
negotiation of sorts because Robinson
was afraid of being shot. Ironically,
the manhunt ended after 33 hours. The
Utah County prosecutor filed information
charging Tyler Robinson with aggravated
murder, tampering with evidence, and
witness tampering. County Attorney Jeff
Gray read the text messages that he said
Robinson sent to his roommate, his
romantic partner, who was transitioning
from male to female.
>> On September 10th, 2025, the roommate
received a text message from Robinson
which said, "Drop what you're doing.
Look under my keyboard."
The roommate looked under the keyboard
and found a note that stated, quote, "I
had the opportunity to take out Charlie
Kurt and I'm going to take it." Police
found a photograph of this note. The
following exchange, text exchange then
took place. After reading the note, the
roommate responded, "What?
You're joking, right?" Robinson. I am
still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in
Oram for a little while longer yet.
Shouldn't be long until I can come home.
But I got to grab my rifle still. To be
honest, I had hoped to keep this secret
till I died of old age. I am sorry to
involve you.
Roommate, you weren't the one who did
it, right,
Robinson? I am I am I'm sorry.
roommate. I thought they caught the
person. Robinson. No, they grabbed some
crazy old dude, then interrogated
someone in similar clothing. I had
planned to grab my rifle from my drop
point shortly after, but most of that
side of town got locked down. It's
quiet, almost enough to get out, but
there's one vehicle lingering. Roommate,
why? Robinson, why did I do it?
Roommate. Yeah.
Robinson. I had enough of his hatred.
Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I
am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will
have left no evidence.
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Nation. The county attorney said that
rifle was a 30 six and had been given to
Robinson by his grandfather. Those text
messages continued. Roommate, how long
have you been planning this? Robinson, a
bit over a week, I believe. I can get
close to it, but there is a squad car
parked right by it. I think they already
swept that spot, but I don't want to
chance it.
Robinson again. I'm wishing I had
circled back and grabbed it as soon as I
got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my
old man would do if I didn't bring back
Grandpa's rifle.
ID EK if it's had a serial number but it
wouldn't trace to me. I worry about
Prince I had to leave it in a bush where
I changed outfits. Didn't have the
ability or time to bring it with I might
have to abandon it and hope they don't
find Prince.
How the f will I explain losing it to my
old man?
Only thing I left was the rapple was the
rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how I
was engraving bullets? The effing
messages are mostly a big meme. If I see
notice bulge UW on Fox Newing
sucks.
Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's
Gun does just fine. IDK. I think that
was a two thou a 2K dollar scope.
Wink wink.
Um, Robinson. Robinson again. Delete
this exchange
again. Robinson. My dad wants photos of
the rifle. He says grandpa wants to know
who has what. The feds released a photo
of the rifle and it is very unique. He's
calling me. RN not answering. Robinson,
since Trump got into office, my dad has
been pretty diehard MAGA.
Robinson, I'm going to turn myself in
willingly. One of my neighbors here is a
deputy for the sheriff.
Again, you are all I worry about, love.
That came from Robinson. Roommate, I'm
much more worried about you, Robinson.
Don't talk to the media. Please don't
take any interviews or make any
comments. If any police ask you
questions, ask for a lawyer and stay
silent.
>> And we're going to talk a little bit
more about those texts later on with Sky
Lazaro. There are still many, many
questions about what could drive a
one-time straight A student and a
college scholarship recipient to want to
take a person's life. An arrest may have
been made, but the investigation is
still ongoing. It's far from over. The
FBI has said that Robinson's roommate is
cooperating. Last Sunday, FBI director
Cash Patel posted on X that every
possibility is being investigated. Patel
wrote, "As the director of the FBI, I am
committed to ensuring the investigation
into Charlie Kirk's assassination is
thorough and exhaustive, pursuing every
lead to its conclusion. The full weight
of America's law enforcement agencies
are actively following the evidence that
has emerged, but our efforts extend
beyond initial findings. We are
examining every facet of this
assassination. We are meticulously
investigating theories and questions
including the location from where the
shot was taken, the possibility of
accompllices, the text message
confession and related conversations,
Discord chats, the angle of the shot and
bullet impact, how the weapon was
transported, hand gestures observed as
potential signals near Charlie at the
time of his assassination, and visitors
to the alleged shooters residence and
the hours days leading up to September
10th, 2025.
Some details are known today, while
others are still being pursued to ensure
every possibility is considered. Our
primary focus is to complete this
investigation and deliver justice. To
protect the integrity of the
investigation and subsequent
prosecution, we cannot release every
piece of information we have to the
public right now. We will ensure every
question is addressed at the appropriate
moment. Regarding specific details, such
as questions about the plane that
allegedly turned off its transponder
after departing from an airport near the
assassination site, we can share updates
when answers are confirmed. After
interviews with the pilot in
consultation with the FAA, we determined
the transponder was not turned off.
Incomplete flight data in rural areas
caused the apparent gap. The entire FBI
mourns the loss of Charlie Kirk. We will
not rest until justice is served and our
investigation into this assassination
will continue until every question is
answered. So right there, Patel is
saying they're investigating every
theory probably just to run down every
lead and every possibility to see what's
true and what's not. Patel testified in
front of Congress last week and said
this about Discord, the messaging
platform, whose spokesperson has said
that Tyler Robinson didn't plan the
crime on the site, but he admitted to
the shooting after the fact. Take a
listen.
>> Reports have suggested that the FBI is
investigating a broader network of
groups that may have had some knowledge
of the shooters plans. Can you give us
any details on that? Following up what
you've already said in public, how's the
FBI working to find other potential
accompllices, folks who may have known
about the shooter's plans, folks who may
have encouraged him, any any update on
any of that? So, in terms of what we do
for an interrogation um perspective, we
go and reach out to the family and
community immediately and we've
conducted those investigations and
interrogations with local law
enforcement and we're continuing to do
that because those closest to the
suspect are going to hopefully know the
most about the suspect and his beliefs
and his ideology. On top of that, um,
unfortunately, it has been leaked that
there was a uh a Discord chat. And for
those unfamiliar with it, it's a gaming
chat room online, um, that the suspect
participated in. So, what we're doing,
we've already done sort of legal
process, not just on Discord, so that
the information we gathered is sustained
and held in a evidentary posture that we
could use in prosecution should it be
decided to do so. And we're also going
to be investigating anyone and everyone
involved in that Discord chat.
>> Okay, very good. I see the public
reports that the Discord thread had as
many as 20 additional users. It sounds
like you're you're trying to run down
all of that to see if that's accurate.
Who else may have been on that thread,
what they may have known. Is that fair
to say?
>> It's a lot more than that. We're running
them all down.
>> It's a lot more than 20.
>> Yes, sir.
>> And you're running all of that to
>> every single one. Now, Erica Kirk,
Charlie Kirk's widow and now the CEO of
Turning Point USA, the organization that
Charlie Kirk founded when he was just 18
years old, spoke at his memorial service
about the loss of her husband.
On the afternoon of September 10th, I
arrived at a Utah hospital to do the
unthinkable,
to look directly
at my husband's murdered body.
I saw the wound that ended his life.
I felt everything you would expect to
feel.
I felt shock.
I felt horror
and a level of heartache
that I didn't even know existed. And
there was a really unbelievable moment
at this service where Erica Kirk, who's
mourning the loss of her husband
Charlie, and she now has two young
children to raise without their father,
she offered incredible words of mercy
and grace to his alleged assassin. That
young man,
that young man
on the cross, our savior said,
"Father, forgive them for they not know
what they do."
That man,
that young man,
I forgive him.
Now, remember, at Robinson's initial
court appearance, he didn't have an
attorney, but now that's changed. The
county commission has approved hiring
Kathy Netor to represent Robinson. She
has another famous or infamous client,
depending on how you look at it. in
Utah. Nester and her law partner also
represent Corey Richens, the children's
book author accused of murdering her
husband Eric by poisoning him back in
March of 2022. So Kathy Netor and
whichever co-consel she chooses are now
Tyler Robinson's lawyers and he's due
back in court on Monday. So to talk
about the very latest, I want to bring
in Sky Lazaro. She is a criminal defense
attorney in Utah. So Sky, I want your
thoughts first and foremost on the
choice of defense attorney here. You
know, they've they've appointed a public
defender. It is Kathy Netor. And I guess
she has co-consel. Um she's going to
need co-consel. She will need a lot of
help, a mitigation expert. So you are
familiar with her. She she is part of
the team that took over Corey Richen's
defense. So tell us about her taking
this case.
>> That's correct. Kathy's been uh in Utah
for a long time. She worked for the
federal defenders office doing public
defense work for them for a long time
and now she's out in in private practice
but has taken the appointment and in
both the Richens case and in the
Robinson case uh as courtappointed
counsel. Um I believe what happened is
the Utah County uh public defenders
office basically said we don't have the
resources to do this. you know, you're
going to have to get somebody else
appointed on this case and fund it
separately from what aotment is is given
to us already by the county. And so I I
don't know what that selection process,
you know, looked like, if if they
reached out individually to people. I I
believe that that they were reaching out
to people to see who had interest in it
or who would take it. Uh, and and I
believe Kathy
agreed.
>> Uh, and they'd have to obviously be
death qualified. They'd have to be, you
know, qualified to handle a case such as
this one. And as a former federal
defender, I'm sure she is. Um, this is a
lot to take on, though. I mean, she's
got the Richens case coming up next
year. This, of course, unless they say,
"Yeah, we want a speedy trial." I I
don't see this going to trial early next
year. Late next year, probably the very
earliest this could could happen, if not
2027.
>> That's correct. So, Utah, our statute
requires that people be qualified under
rule 8 uh to be death penalty counsel.
The ABA has uh standards out there for
the way these cases need to be defended.
She is definitely going to need
co-consel and mitigation experts in this
case. I think this is going to be a very
costly and timeconsuming case uh on top
of Richens. Uh, but you know, Kathy's
done this a long time and if if she, you
know, has things set up to have
appropriate counsel to help, you know,
because she has another practice as
well, private practice as well, you
know, to help with those cases to afford
the time for the both. I I would assume
she's, you know, looked at that closely
and the county doesn't seem to have any
uh issues with that as well.
So talk to me about what's going to
happen on Monday. Obviously Tyler
Robinson did not have counsel. Uh during
his first court appearance, Greg Scortis
appeared and said, "Look, I'm not
representing him, but I'm assisting and
helping find somebody." So he was kind
of a consultant looking to help find
counsel for Tyler Robinson council that
was qualified that could take this case.
Um maybe they even took bids. Who knows?
I don't know how they did this. but
what's going to happen on Monday when
Tyler Robinson appears.
>> This will be his first appearance with
his appointed attorney. And so I don't
expect a lot to happen in this case. My
guess is is um or what I would expect to
happen is that the court will put on the
record that uh Miss Netor has uh taken
on the appointment. uh she's willing to
abide by the standards and and the
statutory guidelines in defending him.
And I think they'll just sort of talk
next steps. Do we need to just set
another status conference? What's the
status of discovery? You know, I don't
think we're getting to a preliminary
hearing anytime soon in this case,
although, you know, he may assert some
speedy trial rights and decide that's
how he wants to do it. But I I think
this investigation is ongoing uh on the
on the part of the government as well.
And so there's going to be additional
discovery that continues to come out. So
my guess is is this is really just going
to be a status. This is, you know, you
get to come to court with your lawyer.
Here's the next steps. Yeah, that's what
it that's what I would kind of expect
because we're so early on in this case
and maybe they've turned over some
discovery already, but still the
discovery in this case will be
voluminous and the investigation is
really ongoing. I mean, they may have
some discovery to hand over right now,
but this investigation is far from over
the way the FBI director makes it sound.
>> I I would agree with that. in Utah, they
have to turn over uh any information
that they relied upon in filing the
information. So any discovery that was
relied upon in in filing the charging
document needs to be provided to the
defense within I believe it's 10 days or
a very short period of time. But in most
major cases or or major felony cases,
especially this case, discovery is
always ongoing. I I think there's always
things that come in late or things the
defense asks to go uh ask the state to
go get for them and and supplemental
discovery requests, things along that
nature.
>> So, the discovery is going to be
voluminous. And one thing that she is
going to receive in this discovery are
those text messages that the prosecutor
says are between
Tyler Robinson and his roommate who was
his romantic partner. And these things
read like a confession. It's so I mean
it's very weird to me, Sky. I don't
know. I mean, there's just something
about them that don't sit right with me.
And I I don't know if it's because I'm
just have a hard time believing that a
22-year-old texts his significant other
and says all this stuff on text. I I
don't know. There's just something about
it. It just seems very strange. The
roommate seems shocked. Like, what? that
was you on here. And he says, "Remember
when I was engraving bullets? Like
that's just something people sit around
and do. I don't think that's something
people sit around and do." What are your
thoughts on the text message confession?
>> These texts are different or weird. I I
don't know how to characterize them
either. Uh there also seem to be a
snapshot. I know, you know, we know that
the roommate uh was cooperating with
police and provided these. And so I
think what we saw come out through the
information is just a small snapshot of
these. I I agree with you. I don't think
the roommate, at least based on these
text messages, had no idea that any of
this was going to happen. Uh or even
after it did happen, that it was him
until uh you know, he said that yeah, it
was me and and then reacted with shock.
I would hope that through this discovery
process, they get a full download. Uh
they're at least probably going to get
one of Tyler's phone and they should get
the my guess is they'll go get the full
text string between him and uh the
roommate or anybody else he was
communicating with about this incident
as well because
they seem a little I don't want to say
disjointed, but they don't really make a
lot of sense. uh that that you just all
of a sudden would be, you know, I'm
gonna go do this and and not tell
anybody and not tell the people closest
to me. Um and and there may be other
there may be other communications on
other platforms as well, uh that maybe
they, you know, the state wasn't even
aware of at the time that they filed
charges. So, I think we're going to see
more come out of that to kind of
at least kind of build the picture of of
what it really was. We see we see text
messages and communications used in
cases all the time and it's easy to take
a a snapshot and and make it look maybe
worse than it was or better than it was,
you know, without getting the full
context of a conversation. I mean, but
he lit he literally admits to shooting
Charlie Kirk. I mean,
>> I think if if those are if those can be
authenticated and those, you know, I
mean, there's still there's still the
rules of evidence, you know, if those
are authenticated and those come in and
you can't keep them out, which I don't
think you can keep them out if they can
authenticate them, those are really,
really damaging text messages. I don't
know how you get past them. it
admission.
>> Yeah, you're right about those text
messages. Uh because those text messages
are definitely disjointed. The ellipses
on there, you can see that they're
showing, okay, this is one group of text
messages, then we have another group of
text messages, then another. Um it is
concerning
that the roommate I guess you know and
he's 22 years old but it you know the
whole thing about well there's been a
lot made of well he didn't go to the
police or the feds they had to find him
and interview him. Um, but if he's
cooperating, and they've been saying
that the roommate is cooperating,
um, I don't know if I expect really
anything to come of this as far as the
roommate goes, as far as charges go.
Could be just a cooperating witness who
was scared.
>> And I don't think that they will charge
him
unless something else comes out or they
become aware of more information. And
the fact that he didn't come forward
right away, I don't think that is
abnormal in cases. I see that all the
time. And in cases where boyfriends,
girlfriends, husbands, friends, they
know what people have done and they
don't come forward. Now, as long as they
don't lie, when police come and
interview them and they tell the truth
and cooperate, they're probably not
facing obstruction charges. As long as
they didn't do something to destroy
evidence or somehow impede the
investigation, simply not coming
forward, I don't think would be grounds
to charge someone. Uh although I mean
this case, you know, they they may be
more aggressive in it. But I would say
in most cases, unless there's something
more out there, I don't expect to see
charges on the roommate uh just because
he didn't come forward initially. They
had to go find him. Let's talk about the
possibility of federal charges now. That
that's been discussed. It sounds like
the feds really, really, really would
like to charge him, but Tyler Robinson,
as far as we know, there's no allegation
that he crossed state lines. He he was
from the St. George area. He drives up
north to Utah County and allegedly kills
Charlie Kirk.
there. You know, there's no I don't I'm
trying to see where the federal part of
this comes in. I, you know, it could
have something to do with if they fi
find out that he used an internet
platform to communicate with people
about this. At this point, they're
saying he only said after the fact that
he did it on Discord. Um, I I'm not
seeing anything that could be federal
here just yet. I agree with you and I
think that's why we haven't seen a
federal indictment come forth either or
or even just a charging document. Uh
they're going to have to find something
that's going to trigger federal
jurisdiction, some sort of interstate
commerce uh type movement. Now, if if
they go through his phone and and it
turns out there was a conspiracy or he
was paid by somebody out of state, you
know, maybe then you can start to get
there with individuals. But based on
what we know, I don't see a a federal
murder charge coming. And I don't think
that there's grounds for it based on
what they have or at least what we know
in the press right now uh on this case.
I do know that they would probably
really like to get him charged somehow,
but if the state's going to pursue the
death penalty, and Utah County has has
been very active in filing death penalty
cases,
I I think you're just better to let you
know, let the one prosecution run. if if
you were concerned that the state wasn't
actually going to pursue death penalty
uh or was going to cave on it, maybe
then you find a way to to charge them
federally, too. But, you know, at this
point,
as much as I think they'd like to for
political reasons, I I I agree with you.
I just don't I don't think that they
have the facts to support it right now.
>> Right now, I'm not seeing it, but
>> we should just wait and see uh what
comes of it. Uh you never know what they
could turn up. I guess they say it's an
ongoing investigation, but right now I
don't see it. Skylaro will uh we'll stay
tuned. Thank you so much.
>> Yeah, thank you.
>> Tyler Robinson is being held in the Utah
County Jail without bail. He'll be back
in court on Monday and Law and Crime
will have that appearance covered for
you, so stay tuned. That's it for this
episode of Crime Fix. I'm Anget Levy.
Thanks so much for being with me. I'll
see you back here next time.