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Glenn Beck and Friends Mourn Charlie Kirk Following His Assassination, Reflecting on Faith and Legacy
Glenn Beck sits down with Liz Wheeler, Steve Deace, and Ellie in the raw aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination to process grief, anger, and hope. In deeply personal conversations, they share memories of Charlie's kindness, his unwavering faith, and his relentless commitment to engaging those who disagreed with him. They reflect on what his death means for the nation, how evil is permitted but not caused by God, and why Charlie's martyrdom will inspire millions to step up. This is a moment of mourning, but also a call to action rooted in faith, not vengeance.
A Nation in Mourning
Glenn Beck begins the conversation with Liz Wheeler, acknowledging the rawness of the moment. Liz describes being in a "fog of grief," feeling as though she's floating outside her body while watching the American reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination unfold. She agrees with Glenn that the country has changed forever, calling this one of the most significant political events since the nation's founding.
Liz shares that she has been praying constantly for Erika Kirk and her two young children. But beyond personal grief, she observes something profound happening across the country. People are realizing that Charlie was not radical, extreme, or bombastic. He was normal, kind, and principled. And he was killed for those beliefs. For many Americans, this is the first time they truly understand the nature of the political enemy they face. The realization is jarring and gut-wrenching because it reveals that the same forces celebrating Charlie's death would do the same to anyone who shares his values.
Faith in the Face of Evil
Glenn expresses his deep faith in the Lord, acknowledging that while he doesn't know how things will unfold, he trusts that everything happens for God's good. There is no way to thwart God's plan, and though the path may be painful, great and glorious things will emerge from this tragedy.
Liz recalls that when Charlie was once asked what he wanted to be known for most, he said his faith. That answer was powerful, especially now. She reflects on the question of why God allows bad things to happen to good people. Citing Father Mike Schmitz, she explains that evil is not God's perfect will, but His permissive will. God values human freedom and can bring about a greater good through allowed events. While God does not cause evil, He uses it to achieve a higher purpose. Charlie is now in eternity, and Liz believes he is praying for those who killed him.
The Real Irony
Liz addresses the cruel irony some on the left are pointing out—that Charlie, a champion of gun rights, was killed by a gun. But she offers a different irony: Charlie, in this moment of eternity, is praying for his killers. She declares that they will not be silenced by an enemy who seeks to harm them. They will not back down. They will honor Charlie's legacy, care for his family, and understand more clearly the forces they are up against.
She predicts that Charlie's assassination will awaken the nation in a way similar to the Black Lives Matter riots or COVID vaccine mandates, but magnified a thousand times. People who were politically apathetic, lukewarm, or simply not active will now see that subversive forces want to harm and kill them. Churches will fill with people turning to God. Politics will see a surge of good people standing for normalcy and common sense. Two million, five million, ten million new Charlie Kirks will rise because of this.
Steve Deace: Devastated but Resolute
Steve Deace joins the conversation, admitting he has sobbed more in the last 18 hours than at any time since his own conversion. He is angry, but he knows that mourning must come first. Otherwise, the anger will come out destructively rather than constructively. Charlie's legacy as a father, husband, friend, and patriot merits that mourning, and his family and Turning Point USA need it.
Steve reflects on how Charlie was the best of them. Behind the scenes and in public, he was genuinely kind and generous. Too many pastors and ministry leaders thought they were too good for Charlie and TPUSA, claiming to be "seeker friendly" while Charlie was the one who actually sought out the seekers. He went to the places those pastors didn't go, and he took the bullet that was part of their calling. Steve hopes this moment shames some of those pastors into realizing they have slept on the job and that someone like Charlie had to do their work for them.
Steve emphasizes that this is a turning point. America will never go back to the way things were. What happens next will decide whether things are better. He quotes a text from one of Charlie's biggest donors: "We can only pray that out of one many will rise up." Steve affirms this is a guarantee. When the tyrant is killed, his reign is over. When the martyr is killed, his reign has just begun. Charlie Kirk was martyred for liberty.
A Generous Man Who Healed Divides
Glenn wishes America could have known Charlie the way they did. He was generous, and it didn't matter who you were or what rank in life you held—if you needed help, Charlie was there. No matter how busy he was, everything stopped. Glenn saw it over and over again. He laments the cartoon character the media has made Charlie into, calling him a bombthrower, when he was anything but. Charlie had the greatest conversations with people, even those who despised him. He could logically and peacefully engage with nonsense Glenn himself couldn't tolerate. That was so important for the healing of the nation, and Glenn believes it's one reason Charlie was killed. Not just because he was effective, but because he was healing divides.
Steve agrees, noting the testimonies flooding social media from people who interacted with Charlie. He recalls the divisive presidential primary and admits he didn't always handle it well. One of the first people to reach out afterward was Charlie, who texted, "Don't give up. We need you." Charlie didn't have to do that. He had won, had the bigger platform and show. But that's what leaders do.
Steve shares a profound moment from his lowest point of faith when the Lord told him, "Stephen, I need apostles, not assassins." He urges the audience that to win the fight ahead, they must be apostles. Apostles rebuke but don't seek revenge. Apostles confront but don't condemn. The apostles conquered the Roman Empire without military might. They built infrastructure, led, and guided. Charlie did the same, and Steve compares him to "Rush Limbaugh and the Heritage Foundation having a baby."
A Call to Generation X
Steve issues a direct challenge to his generation, Gen X. No more grunge. No more "we're too cool for school." No more complaining that everything sucks and nothing can be done. Charlie was a 31-year-old man doing work that wasn't yet his time to do. He had primary duties as a young husband and father. But Gen X has sat on the sidelines too long. They are the ones with free time and discretionary income. It is their time to lead, to stop complaining about boomers, and to step to the forefront. This is their moment.
Beauty from Ashes
Ellie joins the conversation, affirming that God is in the business of redemption, thwarting Satan's schemes, and bringing beauty out of ashes. If Charlie had been given the choice and told what his death would accomplish—more people hearing the gospel, more people waking up—she knows he would have said yes. He would have said, "Yes, Lord, send me." And he did. He went into the lion's den, and now he is with the Lion of Judah. Everyone will know who he was, why he lived, and the gospel that motivated him. That is the only thing giving her hope, peace, and comfort.
Glenn reflects on how glorious the greeting must have been on the other side. "Well done, good and faithful servant." Ellie agrees. Before anyone heard the news, before Erika got the phone call, Charlie was already hearing those words. She is happy for him, happy that he is with the saints, martyrs, and the persecuted through whom the church of Christ has advanced for millennia. But she is sad for those left behind. Heaven gained an incredible person, but they lost a huge presence.
Faith Transforms Grief
Glenn observes that people of faith don't weep for the dead. They weep for the loss to themselves, the world, and the families who are hurting. They mourn that loss but know exactly where the person has gone. He reflects on knowing Charlie since he was 17—a good kid who transformed into someone on fire for Christ.
Ellie agrees. Over the past five to ten years, Charlie grew into a theologically deep and apologetically astute man of God. That inspired her. When she first heard the news, she thought, "That's it. I'm done. I'm throwing in the towel." But then she went through texts Charlie had sent her over the years—always encouraging. He had sent her an article from a liberal outlet that took jabs at her, and he wrote, "Well done. Keep slugging." She knows that if he were here, that's exactly what he would tell everyone: "You can't get out now. You got to keep going."
Glenn has received emails from people who don't know how to get back up again. He tells them the answer is faith in God. If their side didn't have God, they would be mired in anger and screaming for vengeance, very much like the left. But they do have God.
Jesus Is the Answer
Ellie emphasizes that if Jesus wasn't raised from the dead, they have no hope of resurrection. If He didn't defeat death, they can't defeat death. If Jesus didn't live forever, they can't live forever. That's what Charlie always preached, posted, and said. If you could text him right now and ask what to say about this tragedy, she knows exactly what he would reply with one word: Jesus. Just tell them that. Jesus is the only way.
People may not realize it, but every time Charlie went on a college campus, he wasn't just talking about capitalism or Donald Trump. He shared the gospel. He knew every person in front of him was made in the image of God with a soul destined for eternity in one of two places. He desperately wanted those who hated him to go to heaven. Ellie prays she can have that same boldness for the rest of her life.
Video Transcript
Hello, Liz.
>> Hi, Glenn.
>> I spoke to you yesterday and we were
both pretty raw at the time. How are you
doing this morning?
>> I
I'm in a fog of grief, Glenn. I think
that a lot of us are. I feel it still
feels very unbelievable what happened to
our dear friend Charlie Kirk. feel like
I'm floating up outside of my body in a
sense watching all of this unfold.
It's quite something to see the reaction
from the American people um over this
assassination. I think you're correct
when you say that our country has
changed forever.
I think this is one of the most
significant not just political
assassinations but political events that
we've experienced since the inception of
our country. And I think I've been
praying about this since you and I spoke
for so long yesterday. I've been
thinking about this endlessly. Obviously
on my knees praying for sweet Erica and
Charlie and Erica's two babies. But I
think one of the things that has
happened in the last 24 hours is
people in our country, and I don't even
want to say conservatives, I don't want
to say right-wingers because it's not
just that, have realized that Charlie is
so normal. He's not radical. He's not
extreme. He's not bombastic. He's not
edgy. He's just a regular guy. and he's
kind and they killed him because of
those beliefs and opinions, those
principles and values, Glenn, that we
share with him. And you and I work in
this industry and we've written a lot of
books about this political enemy that we
face and we talk about it a lot. But for
the majority of the American people,
this is the first time, Glenn, that
they're realizing exactly who this
political enemy that we face is. And
it's jarring and it's gut-wrenching
because they realize that just as easily
as they assassinated Charlie Kirk and
are now dancing on his grave, they want
to do that to us, too.
Liz, I um
and I know you do. I have such
faith in the Lord
and I know I don't know how our lives
end. I don't know how things work out,
but I know
everything that happens is used for his
good. There is no way to thwart God's
plan. You can make it You can make
getting there harder. You can make
getting there more painful.
But if we trust in him,
great and glorious things are going to
happen.
because of this.
>> Charlie,
>> go ahead.
>> Charlie once said when someone asked him
what he wanted to be known for the most,
and he wore a lot of hats, so he could
have picked a lot of different
accomplishments and identities, and he
said he wanted to be known for his
faith. And
there that's I mean, it's so powerful.
You and I are clinging to God right now.
Everyone sitting here with us is
clinging to God. I'm literally sitting
here gripping a rosary as we talk. Evil
happens in our world. And we all ask
that question. Why? Why does God allow
bad things to happen to good and
innocent people? And you know, as Father
Mike Schmidtz reminded us yesterday,
when evil happens, that is not God's
perfect will. It is God's permissive
will which is very different. God
allowed
Charlie's death to happen but he did not
want it to happen. God values human
freedom and can bring about a greater
good through these allowed events. But
God does not cause evil. He uses it to
achieve his higher purpose. When
sometimes we don't know what that is.
And I I'm human. I find it very
difficult not to have an immediate
answer to okay, what is that higher
good, but it could be testing faith or
demonstrating compassion, teaching
people how to uphold his perfect will of
good. And if God were to remove evil
from the human existence, he would also
be removing our free will to love him
and to love others. And he knows that
despite the evil that he allows to exist
in the world, this greater good can be
achieved for eternity, which is where
Charlie is now. And Glenn, there are a
lot of bad people online right now, you
know, celebrating Charlie's death and
saying how ironic it was that Charlie
was killed by a gun when he was a
champion of gun rights. But do you want
to know what the real irony is? The real
irony is that Charlie at this moment in
eternity, I guarantee to you, Glenn, is
praying for those who did this to him.
We are not going to be silenced by an
enemy who harms us. We are not going to
back down. We are not going to be quiet.
We are going to honor Charlie's legacy.
We are going to care for and love
Charlie's family. We are going to
understand in a clearer sense exactly
what we are up against. And it's going
to
with God on our side, it is going to
lead us to victory in a way that our
country has not yet experienced because
we do have this binary choice. The left
wants violence. The left wants civil
war. The left wants to hurt us and kill
us. But what's going to happen instead
is these people in our country, people
who are politically apathetic or
lukewarm liberal or, you know, maybe
right-wing but not that active in
politics, the same thing is going to
happen as a result of Charlie's
assassination that happened after the
Black Lives Matter riot or after the
COVID vaccine mandates where people
realized that the other side does not
want the best for us. that the other
side during the Black Lives Matter riots
was willing to falsely accuse us of
being racist when that wasn't true or
during COVID to tell us that we couldn't
go to church and worship God and we had
to take their medical product because
they said so and they didn't care about
the harm. Glenn, this is that times
1,000. People are now looking out across
our country realizing that there are
subversive forces and not just a radical
lunatic madman isolated incident. There
are radical forces who want to kill us
and the the awakening that's going to
happen, the eye opening. You are going
to see churches filled with people
turning to God. You are going to see
politics a swell of good people who want
to stand for normaly and common sense.
2 million, 5 million, 10 million new
Charlie Kirks are going to be minted
because of this.
And that's hard to picture in this
moment. And there will be hard choices
to make because we're angry right now.
And the left is taunting us.
But I have so much faith.
I have so much faith
in what Charlie did and in the prayers
that he is going to be bathing our
country in now from eternity.
>> Another friend of Charlie Kirks and a
good friend of our program and and mine,
Steve Dace, who follows me on Blaze TV.
Steve,
I know it has been a hard 24 hours. Um,
how are you holding up?
>> I'm pretty devastated. Um, I think I
have sobbed more Glenn in the uh last uh
18 hours uh than I probably did since
the night of my own conversion.
>> I'm angry
and I know a lot of people are and there
will be a time after we've had we need
to mourn first, Glenn, because otherwise
the anger will come out destructively.
Um, and it needs to come out but
constructively. And I think we have to
mourn first.
>> I think um Charlie's legacy as a father,
husband, friend, patriot uh merits that
and I think TPUSA and uh um his family
need that. But in the not too distant
future,
uh we're going to have to get the
message that was sent here. He was the
best of us. Um, when you saw him behind
the scenes or in public, genuinely kind,
generous, I I too many pastors and
ministry leaders thought they were too
good for Charlie in TPUSA. Didn't want
to get their hands dirty. And yet he and
claimed they were being seeker friendly.
And yet he was the one that sought out
the seekers. He went to the places that
those nicer than God pastors didn't go
to. And he took the bullet. Uh, that
frankly that's part of their calling
that they're supposed to take. And I
hope in a good way it shames some of
them this morning that they wake up and
they realize that they have slept on the
job and that's why somebody like Charlie
had to do their job for them. And as um
as Charlie him you know named his own
organization. This is a turning point.
We're never going back to the way things
were before. What we do next will decide
whether or not they are better. And as
uh one of Charlie's biggest uh biggest
uh supporters and donors texted me this
morning, we can only pray that out of
one many will rise up.
>> That's a guarantee. That is an absolute
guarantee
uh that that is going to happen. Um
you know uh when the tyrant is killed,
his reign is over. Mhm.
>> When the martyr is killed, his reign has
just begun. Um, and make no mistake, for
liberty, Charlie Kirk was a martyr. Um,
he was assassinated and martyed
yesterday. And um
and I you know and I I I
think I I hope that
um America
I wish America could know him the way we
knew him because he was a he was such a
generous man. Um, it didn't matter who
you were or what rank in life you were.
If you needed help, he was there. And at
the
>> no matter how busy he was, everything
stopped and he would help you. And I saw
it in him over and over and over again.
And I wish people could see that because
it, you know, this cartoon character
where they're making him into this
bombthrower, he was anything but. I
mean, he would have the greatest
conversations with people. I mean, I
couldn't have done it. I couldn't do it.
I couldn't sit through that nonsense.
Um, but he could. And he could logically
and peacefully have a great conversation
with people who despised him. And that
was so important for the healing of our
nation. And I really think that that's
one of the reasons why he was killed.
Not just because he was effective at
what he did, but because he was healing
us.
Something that is really vital to
happen. He was healing all of those
divides.
>> I couldn't have said it better myself.
And if you just look on social media and
see so many people in our movement who
have such incred people I don't know,
people that don't know me, such
incredible testimonies of everything you
just said in their interactions with
Charlie. You know, we had a a very
divisive presidential primary. And to be
honest, I didn't always handle it well.
One of the first people I heard from
when it was over was Charlie. And he
texted me and he said, "Don't give up.
We need you."
He didn't have to do that. He won and
he's got the bigger platform. He's got
the bigger show. He didn't have to do
that. But that's the kinds of those are
the kinds of things leaders do. And the
the void that is left here is massive.
And um
at my lowest point I've ever had in my
faith,
um the Lord said something to me that
will stay with me the rest of my life.
And he said, "Stephen,
I'm sorry.
Stephen, I need apostles,
not assassins."
And I want to share that with your
audience because to win the fight that
is going to come after this, that is
what will be required.
If you know me, you know this isn't
about being a pansy. Apostles rebuke,
but they don't seek revenge. Apostles
confront, but they don't condemn. The
apostles did something that Hannibal
couldn't do. No other civilization in
the fertile crescent could do. They
conquered the Roman Empire.
Um, they set the stage for Western
civilization.
And they did not do it because they were
passive and they sat on the sidelines
and they were nicer than God and they
wore pleated khakis and Hawaiian shirts
year round with sweater vests. They did
it because they got their hands dirty.
They did it because they did the kinds
of things we saw Charlie do. Build
infrastructure, direct, lead, guide. I
mean, we would have to have a literal
conclave, Glenn, and and and come with
literally everyone in our business and
movement and come up with divisions to
do all the various things Charlie
himself was leading and doing. And that
organization was I told Charlie at
dinner recently, it's like you are like
if Rush Limbaugh and the Heritage
Foundation had a baby. This is what you
and TPUs are. And
that's what it's going to take to fill
that void. And I I I can't I'm sure with
the size of your audience, my inbox, my
wife is going through it as we speak. It
is full of people. You were right. I
have to get off the sidelines. I have to
do something. My buddy Sloan over at
TPUSA texted me yesterday. He goes,
"Steve, I can't tell you how many
pastors we're hearing from. They thought
they were too pious for us, too good for
us. And now the stakes have been raised.
They're getting it. And I'm just so
sorry that it took two little children
and and their and their and their mom's
family away from them for two for more
people to get the message. And I want to
I want to specifically challenge my
generation, Gen X. No more grunge. No
more we're too cool for school. No more,
well, everything sucks. Nothing we can
do. No more. That was a 31-year-old man
doing the work. as a young father and
husband. Frankly, it wasn't his time to
do yet. He has other primary duties that
he should have been given the benefit of
of devoting to as a husband and father.
But our generation has sat on the
sidelines for too long. We must lead. It
is our children now that are grown, that
are leaving the nest. We are the ones
with the free time. We are the ones with
the discretionary income. It is our time
now to lead. to stop bitching and
complaining about boomers. And I say
that to me more than anybody else. And
to stop looking around like we're still
listening to Pearl Jam and Stone Temple
Pilots and and and Sound Garden, and
nothing's going to get better. It is
time now to lead. This is our moment. Um
and we are the ones that are in place to
do this with the positions of our
families and with our productivity and
prosperity. We have to step to the
forefront now.
>> Such great good will come out of this.
Ellie, I know this is a tough day for
you and thank you for joining me.
>> Yeah, God is in the business of
redemption. He is in the business of
thwarting Satan's schemes. He is in the
business of bringing beauty out of
ashes. He is in the business of bringing
glory to himself and bringing people to
himself. And if Charlie had had the
choice, if someone had been able to come
to him and say, "Okay, this is what your
death will accomplish. It will
accomplish more people hearing the
gospel. It will accomplish more people
waking up. I know that if Charlie had
had that choice, he would have said yes.
He would have said, "Yes, Lord, send
me." And not only would he have, but he
did. He went into the lion's den, and
now he is with the Lion of Judah. Now he
is with Jesus. And everyone is going to
know who he was and why he lived and the
gospel that motivated him. And that is
the only thing right now that is giving
me any hope or any peace or any comfort.
I know that um all I could think of
yesterday
was how glorious
>> the uh greeting must have been on the
other side, you know, good well done,
good and faithful servant.
>> Yes, absolutely. And before any of us
heard the news, before his sweet wife
Erica got the phone call, he was already
hearing those words. And I am so happy
for him. I'm so happy that he's with the
saints and the martyrs and the
persecuted through which the church of
Christ has been advanced for millennia.
I'm so happy for him. But I'm so sad for
us. I'm so sad for us. Heaven gained an
incredible person, but we we lost a huge
presence.
>> That's how I know when people have
faith. They don't weep for the dead.
They weep for the loss to themselves and
to the world and to the families that
are hurting. They they mourn that loss
on themselves, but they they when they
think of the person who has died, they
know exactly where they are.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh and with Charlie,
I
I I
mean, I knew him when he was 17 and he
was a good kid, but what a change.
uh happened to him. He he was on fire
for Christ. On fire for that.
>> Yes. Absolutely. He grew into over the
past 5 to 10 years such a theologically
deep and apologetically astute man of
God as he became a husband, as he became
a father, as he became even more of a
warrior for truth. And that is really
what that's what inspired me. And when I
heard the news yesterday,
I thought my first thought was that's
it. I'm done. I I'm throwing in the
towel. That is it for me. I'm not I'm
not willing to do this anymore. And then
later after he died, I went through some
of the texts that he had sent me over
the years. He was always sending
everyone, all of his friends, these very
encouraging texts. and he sent me this
article from a liberal outlet that of
course had taken some jabs at me that
had made me anxious and he said, "Well
done. Keep slugging."
And I just I just know that if he were
here, that's exactly what he would say.
Not just to me, but to all of us. He
would say, "No, you can't get out now.
You got to keep going. You got to keep
going." That's exactly how he would
feel, and that's exactly what he would
tell all of us.
I have received so many emails from
people who have said, "I don't know how
to get back up again."
>> Yeah.
>> And I don't know what to tell them other
than
faith in God. Faith in God. I I think if
I think if our if if if our side, if you
will, um boy, I hate that in this
context, but if if if we didn't have
God,
um we'd be very much like the left right
now. We would be mired in anger and and
screaming for vengeance. And it would be
a really ugly place today.
>> Um if if we didn't have God.
>> Yes. And if Jesus wasn't raised from the
dead, like if he wasn't resurrected,
then we don't have a hope of a
resurrection. If he didn't defeat death,
then we can't defeat death. If Jesus
didn't live forever, then we can't live
forever. And that's exactly what Charlie
always preached, what he always posted
on X, what he always said. If you were
to be able to text him right now and
say, "Look, Charlie, I've got this
really tough thing to talk about today,
and I don't know how to say it. I don't
know what to say. What are your thoughts
on it? What should I say? I know exactly
what he would say. The one word that he
would text back and that would be Jesus.
Just tell him that. Just tell him that
Jesus is the only way to fulfill it.
That is what he would say. People don't
may not realize that, but every time he
went on a college campus, he wasn't just
talking about capitalism or Donald Trump
and all those things are important.
>> He shared the gospel. He knew that every
single person that walked in front of
him was made in the image of God with a
soul that was going to live forever in
one of two places. He desperately wanted
the people who hated him to go to
heaven. And I just pray that I can have
that same boldness for the rest of my
life.