Tucker Carlson and Jack Posobiec on the Assassination of Charlie Kirk and the Spiritual War

[00:00] Where's Jack?

[00:02] Where's Jack?

[00:04] Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.

[00:09] Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job

[00:12] you do. You know, we have an incredible

[00:14] thing. We're always talking about the

[00:15] fake news and the bad, but we have guys

[00:18] and these are the guys should be getting

[00:19] pul.

[00:22] All right, Jack Pobic. We're here

[00:24] Charlie Kirk studio Phoenix, Arizona.

[00:26] We're on live with Eric Trump. We're

[00:28] talking about, of course, the

[00:30] assassination of Charlie Kirk, also

[00:32] Eric's book, which uh, you know, the

[00:35] timing is is is eerie. Um, under siege.

[00:39] Eric, where do we go from here? Where do

[00:42] we go next?

[00:45] We never stop the fight. We do it in

[00:47] honor of Charlie. Um, we we do it uh

[00:50] because we have the greatest political

[00:52] movement uh in history. A movement

[00:54] that's saving this country. When I saw

[00:56] Eric out there uh the other day uh when

[00:58] when when she did that that press

[01:00] conference um right after the

[01:01] assassination, I have never seen

[01:04] somebody who was um more direct, more

[01:06] powerful. That that was the epitome of

[01:09] strength. And when I hear she was

[01:10] obviously unanimously voted in to

[01:12] continue to run Turning Point, like it

[01:14] puts the greatest smile on my face and

[01:16] you know in an otherwise miserable week

[01:18] for for so many people who who obviously

[01:20] love Charlie and and and the movement

[01:21] that he he created. But listen, they

[01:23] want us off that stage. They don't want

[01:26] me on that stage. They don't want me to

[01:28] do the thousands of rallies that I did.

[01:30] They don't want Charlie. They didn't

[01:31] want Charlie to do the rallies that he

[01:33] did. They don't want my father on that

[01:35] stage, which is why they took the the

[01:36] shot at him. They don't want Don on that

[01:38] stage. They don't want you on that

[01:39] stage. They don't want Benny Johnson on

[01:40] that stage. I could keep going down the

[01:42] list of incredible people who have been

[01:44] warriors in this movement. I mean, we

[01:47] were like the Outcast crew, right? I

[01:49] mean, we didn't have the platforms. We

[01:51] didn't have anything. We didn't have the

[01:52] CNN's. We didn't have the ABCs. We

[01:54] didn't have the CBS's. And yet,

[01:56] we ended up being the loudest voice.

[01:58] We ended up being the loudest voice. So,

[02:00] they wanted to stop this movement and we

[02:02] will never ever allow them to to stop

[02:04] us. And uh we'll get on that stage and

[02:06] we'll do so bravely. We all know it's

[02:08] dangerous. Uh, and we'll honor Charlie

[02:10] and we'll continue to, you know, the the

[02:12] great his legacy, but we'll great

[02:14] continue the greatest political movement

[02:16] that fights for God and country and

[02:18] constitution and everything that's great

[02:21] about red, white, and blue and and and

[02:23] frankly a country that that leads the

[02:25] world and leads peace and prosperity uh

[02:28] and sness around the globe and and we

[02:30] will keep the United States the number

[02:32] one superpower uh in the world.

[02:35] That's right. The book is Under Siege.

[02:37] Eric Trout, thank you so much for

[02:39] joining us today.

[02:40] Thanks, Jack.

[02:42] All right, folks. Special honor here in

[02:45] studio. And uh

[02:48] Oh, come around. Oh, come around this

[02:50] side, ladies and gentlemen. Uh he's

[02:52] destroying the set now. Uh we have

[02:54] Tucker Carlson joining us.

[02:57] Oh, in person.

[02:58] Jack, I left my glasses on the set, so

[03:01] I'm glad to be back. Good.

[03:02] You did. That's That's the only reason

[03:03] you came back, of course.

[03:05] Um,

[03:06] what do you think, man?

[03:09] Oh, I have so many thoughts. It's been

[03:11] one of those weeks where it's just like

[03:12] you're just right to the edge. Here's

[03:14] what I think. I think that um I think

[03:18] that I've spent like three or four days

[03:21] feeling rage and confusion, suspicion,

[03:26] um you know, anger at people I know. You

[03:28] know, there's basically division. And

[03:31] here's where I've arrived. As of last

[03:33] night, I flew AC across the country

[03:35] here, so I had a lot of time to think.

[03:36] Thank you for that.

[03:37] Oh, no. Oh my gosh. I should have come

[03:38] earlier, but it was just I couldn't I

[03:40] don't know. I didn't I should have. But

[03:42] anyway, um I think that this whatever

[03:46] this is is the face of evil, and that's

[03:49] kind of enough for me. It doesn't mean

[03:50] correct

[03:51] the government doesn't have to get to

[03:52] the bottom of it. Of course, they do.

[03:54] And you know, I wish I had more

[03:55] confidence that they will, but I I want

[03:57] to push that. But on some level, the

[04:00] deepest level, I don't know how much

[04:02] that matters. What matters is that I

[04:04] know that Charlie was murdered because

[04:06] he was proclaiming Jesus. I believe that

[04:10] he was not a physical threat to anyone.

[04:12] He was a completely non-violent person

[04:13] and a truly decent person, as you know

[04:15] better than most. And he was killed

[04:18] because of his message. And I think we

[04:22] should all just internalize that. And of

[04:23] course, the answer is to proclaim the

[04:25] message louder and to live the message

[04:28] by loving other people. And I'm not in

[04:29] any way saying that, you know, it

[04:31] doesn't matter. You know, the details

[04:32] don't matter. They they very much do,

[04:34] but the big picture matters most. And I

[04:36] just want to keep that in mind.

[04:37] You know, there's something about how

[04:39] it's like,

[04:41] you know, they tried to paint Charlie,

[04:43] you know, the media, whatever, they try

[04:45] to paint him as this like this like hate

[04:48] monger Nazi misogynist and all the rest.

[04:51] And then you see him on campus and you

[04:52] see him with his family and it's like

[04:54] this is the nicest guy. He's the purest

[04:57] guy. And I feel like in a way that's why

[05:00] he's the one they targeted.

[05:01] Well, of course. And by the way, you

[05:04] know, that's another thing that I've

[05:05] been thinking a lot about is that the

[05:08] nature of evil is slander. Of course,

[05:10] it's it's deception. It's lying about

[05:13] other people to harm them. And and

[05:16] physical violence is the natural

[05:17] outgrowth of that, of course. But

[05:19] fundamentally,

[05:21] evil is slanderous and I should probably

[05:24] stop being shocked by it. Every time I

[05:27] see slander you because I know a lot of

[05:29] the people involved, you know, I'm

[05:30] involved so I know what slander is

[05:32] because I can compare it to the truth

[05:34] which I know and every single time I'm

[05:36] like I can't believe they're saying that

[05:38] about, you know, somebody that's

[05:40] slander. I'm so shocked and angry. It's

[05:43] like why am I shocked? That's the nature

[05:45] of it. And we have an obligation

[05:48] is the father of lies.

[05:50] Well, exactly. Thank you. That's exactly

[05:52] right. Lucifer is the father of lies.

[05:54] That's just true. And so, and I'm not

[05:57] saying that everyone who's slandering

[05:59] somebody is Satan, but they are tools of

[06:01] evil, for sure, as we all are from time

[06:03] to time, by the way. Um, but I shouldn't

[06:07] be shocked at all. What did you think

[06:08] this was? That's the nature of the

[06:11] world. And our job is not to marinate in

[06:14] it or stare at it like a solar eclipse

[06:17] to the point where we go blind.

[06:19] Our job is to fight it with the truth

[06:23] and with love. And not abstract love,

[06:26] but actual love, the kind that helps

[06:28] other people, that elevates other people

[06:31] and the actual truth, the deepest truth.

[06:34] the you know I got

[06:38] in in the wake of the um Minneapolis

[06:41] massacre because of course this is not

[06:43] the first act of evil that we've seen so

[06:45] far this month um and we saw this this

[06:50] uh narrative coming out and uh you had

[06:53] like very prominent people including the

[06:55] governor of California saying don't pray

[06:58] right you had this sort of don't pray

[07:00] message

[07:01] and that is the message really. And I I

[07:04] don't usually like go to this place

[07:06] publicly, but I just said, "There's

[07:08] there's too much of this." And I came

[07:09] out, I said,

[07:12] "Prayer causes pain to demons." Causes

[07:16] pain.

[07:16] Of course,

[07:17] this is what And when people gather and

[07:19] when people hold church services, when

[07:22] they hold mass, when they when they

[07:24] conduct gatherings of prayer, this

[07:27] causes immense pain.

[07:28] Yes.

[07:29] To evil. And so who would want you to

[07:32] stop praying, right? And then and then I

[07:34] I said that and that kind of went out

[07:36] and media got mad at me. I don't care.

[07:39] And

[07:41] and then when this act of evil happened

[07:43] to Charlie,

[07:46] there was a spontaneous

[07:49] call to action. And Charlie was of

[07:50] course known for his calls to action.

[07:52] You know, we're doing this, we're doing

[07:54] the ballots, we're doing whatever we're

[07:55] doing.

[07:56] But this was a spiritual call to action

[07:57] that everyone heard,

[07:59] right? And what did people do? They

[08:01] gathered and prayed completely

[08:03] spontaneously, completely independently,

[08:06] which Charlie would have been thrilled

[08:08] about, by the way. But everyone knew on

[08:10] some deep inherent level, we need to get

[08:14] together and pray right now.

[08:16] Yeah. Physically get together.

[08:18] And

[08:20] I don't know how you can separate that

[08:22] from this these ideas that we we are in

[08:26] a literal spiritual war. And this is

[08:29] playing out. It's spilling over into

[08:31] reality now. And it's just so obvious to

[08:35] me. I don't know how you can deny it.

[08:37] Well, it's just like, you know, I had a

[08:39] close friend who had an alcoholic spouse

[08:41] and they got divorced and everyone was

[08:42] like, you know, your wife was a really

[08:43] bad alcoholic. And he's like, I honestly

[08:45] didn't know. I was too close to it. And

[08:47] that is a feature of human nature that

[08:49] we don't see the biggest things that are

[08:50] the closest to us. We just can't see

[08:52] their outlines because they are again

[08:53] too close. And I think the nature of the

[08:56] eternal battle between good and evil is

[08:58] one of those things. I mean, it's it's

[09:00] always been this way. It's always been

[09:02] this way from the beginning of time, and

[09:03] we just haven't acknowledged it since

[09:05] 1945 because we imagined we were gods

[09:07] cuz we had atomic weapons. But it

[09:10] doesn't make it any less real. And so,

[09:12] you sort of retroactively go through

[09:14] your life and you're like, "Oh, that's

[09:15] what that was. I didn't even know it at

[09:18] the time. I

[09:20] That was the serpent

[09:21] 100%."

[09:22] And there's not one of us who can't

[09:24] identify moments in our own lives where

[09:27] we've been tools of evil. I just want to

[09:28] keep saying that the Christian the core

[09:30] Christian prayer the Lord's prayer given

[09:31] to us by Jesus at its essence at its

[09:34] center is forgive us our sins as we

[09:36] forgive those who sin against us. Why is

[09:37] it in that order? Because in order to

[09:40] forgive, it's very helpful to be mindful

[09:42] of our own shortcomings, our own sins.

[09:44] Yes,

[09:44] we're not in a place to judge. We are

[09:46] commanded to forgive as a condition of

[09:48] our own forgiveness. So that is kind of

[09:51] the conclusion you reach if you're

[09:53] really honest about what's happening.

[09:55] Like yes, this has always been the

[09:58] actual battle. All the nonsense that we

[10:00] are mad about is just a manifestation of

[10:02] that. And we should see it in those

[10:04] terms because we should always be

[10:06] honest. Always be honest. And the more

[10:09] honest you are, the more courageous you

[10:12] become. You are filled with holy power

[10:13] when you are honest. Period. The truth

[10:16] is I I'm resorting again to cliches and

[10:20] Bible verses, but it does set you free.

[10:22] When you determine when you make the

[10:24] decision internally, I'm not going to

[10:25] lie anymore, you become so much more

[10:29] powerful. Like you can feel it cuz it's

[10:31] God's power. And uh and one of the

[10:34] things we the first thing we should be

[10:35] honest about always is ourselves.

[10:37] And honesty is always a choice.

[10:39] It's a choice.

[10:39] It's a choice.

[10:41] You got a quick break. Yep. Hold that

[10:43] thought because that's perfect. We'll be

[10:45] right back. J Soic, Tucker Carlson,

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