How Charlie Kirk's DEATH Should Make You Feel – Robbie Williams

[00:00] Do you know that Jace joke about guitar

[00:01] lessons?

[00:03] >> Yes.

[00:03] >> The internet is like you put ads out for

[00:05] a guitar lesson and some the internet is

[00:07] basically going I don't want [ __ ]

[00:09] guitar lessons, mate. It's like why did

[00:10] you have that's what they're doing to

[00:12] you? You said a thing you put your

[00:13] guitar lessons up there.

[00:14] >> Yes.

[00:14] >> Why?

[00:15] >> [ __ ] your guitar lessons. Whoa.

[00:17] >> Just chill.

[00:18] >> Just chill. Yeah.

[00:20] >> Gosh. But I was thinking about this the

[00:22] other night when um

[00:25] about how

[00:27] everything is at your fingertips now and

[00:29] it's so accessible to tell the world

[00:33] your era or how

[00:37] any particular moment of the day with

[00:39] any particular thing that people may

[00:41] have or may have not have said. You can

[00:45] now go I completely disagree with Hello.

[00:49] Good morning. you know, hello, good

[00:51] morning. How dare you? I didn't What?

[00:54] Yeah. Exactly. And then I remember we

[00:56] were on Take That. We're on a very, very

[01:00] early TV program on a Saturday. Michaela

[01:04] Strachen, and we had this food fight and

[01:07] it was loads of fun, you know, it was

[01:09] like loads of fun. And we I don't know

[01:12] if even if we were signed, but then I

[01:16] remember later that afternoon our

[01:18] manager telling us that there had been

[01:19] phone calls complaining about food

[01:22] waste.

[01:23] >> And like this is 1991

[01:26] or 1992, 1991. And I remember think and

[01:30] I remember that affecting me like oh we

[01:33] we've upset somebody. Uh but now that

[01:37] person

[01:39] uh is the most vocal person on the

[01:42] planet.

[01:44] >> What that person that's allowed that can

[01:46] go

[01:47] >> I thought you were going to say that

[01:48] turned out to be

[01:49] >> Pierce Star

[01:52] was livid.

[01:53] >> He was [ __ ] livid.

[01:55] >> Food waster.

[01:56] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. So um that

[01:58] person is now in charge of the

[02:01] conversation for the rest of the Western

[02:04] world.

[02:05] Woo.

[02:06] >> Well, you know what I mean? When you

[02:07] came in, we we said just before that we

[02:09] couldn't do this because it's a day

[02:10] after what happened with Charlie Kirk. I

[02:13] don't know when this is going to go out.

[02:14] It might be weeks or months later, but

[02:17] um is is that I mean, what what is that?

[02:19] That's somebody who who

[02:22] does a thing like that. We don't know

[02:22] who it was yet.

[02:26] I think that

[02:28] what is also interesting

[02:32] about the modern age that we live in,

[02:38] we'd have read the headline

[02:42] in 1989,

[02:45] 1990, 1991,

[02:49] and we'd have gone, "Well, that's awful.

[02:51] Wow, did you hear about the thing?" Now

[02:54] in 2005,

[02:58] five minutes after it happened,

[02:59] >> 2025 to

[03:01] >> Yeah. Sorry.

[03:01] >> That's right.

[03:02] >> Yeah. I'm still You're

[03:04] >> still living then.

[03:04] >> Still in a my my my imperial moment in

[03:07] my career.

[03:08] >> Now we live in a moment where 30 seconds

[03:10] later, the actual event is put up on the

[03:13] internet.

[03:15] >> 15 minutes later, it's all the way

[03:17] around the world.

[03:19] 20 minutes later, it's a link from a

[03:22] text that somebody sends to me

[03:25] and you see it happen.

[03:28] Um,

[03:32] I think in these sort of

[03:35] moments you're just confused.

[03:39] You're just confused.

[03:42] What is this? And you know, you become

[03:46] self. What does this mean for me? What

[03:49] am I feeling about this moment? What

[03:52] does this make the world? What is

[03:54] happening to the world? Oh my lord

[04:02] and then you forget about it.

[04:06] >> Yeah.

[04:06] >> And then the cycle moves on. We we've

[04:09] seen this we've seen we've seen this so

[04:11] many times, you know, like one of the

[04:15] biggest moments of the last

[04:18] of living memory,

[04:21] uh, President Trump gets shot, grazes

[04:24] his ear.

[04:26] >> Oh, yeah.

[04:28] Two weeks later,

[04:29] >> new news cycle. We've shifted, we've

[04:32] moved, we've gone on.

[04:33] >> That said, if it if it died, maybe maybe

[04:36] it would have stayed.

[04:37] >> Yeah. But still,

[04:39] >> you know, but still in living memory

[04:42] that moment and who and the what and the

[04:45] where's and the wise

[04:47] >> now resides in distant history. And it's

[04:50] not it's f it's 2 seconds ago. And it's

[04:52] the same it's the same unfortunately

[04:55] with this. And I'm not, you know, it's

[04:57] like I'm not saying

[04:59] I'm a fan of anybody's work or I I I

[05:03] >> prescribe to the thinking of the the

[05:07] right or the thinking of the left or the

[05:09] centurists or the whatever.

[05:12] >> I'm just saying that something

[05:15] this huge has such a deep impact on you

[05:19] as a human when you are consuming it and

[05:23] then in five minutes

[05:26] you're somewhere else, thinking about

[05:28] something else, doing something else.

[05:32] It's a weird aspect about human nature.

[05:37] >> Well, we can't we can't take all of

[05:39] those things on though, I suppose, can

[05:40] we? We can't have everything that is

[05:43] being beamed into our psyche 24 hours a

[05:46] day.

[05:48] My first

[05:49] >> some people do and can and will and base

[05:52] their whole personality and life

[05:54] reacting to it and um some people make

[05:57] money from that.

[06:00] >> Some people remain inflamed

[06:04] which

[06:05] >> there are some some people who seem to

[06:06] want to be the first to announce you

[06:08] know he's dead and those kinds of

[06:09] things. Um and and often with when these

[06:12] things come out in social media as you

[06:13] say it's 20 minutes after the things

[06:15] happened. So, I try to go, okay, let's

[06:17] let's just wait a couple of days and

[06:19] see, you know, the let the fog subside.

[06:22] >> This is an interesting thing that I

[06:23] think I've talked to you on the phone

[06:25] about

[06:28] in my education to try and find out what

[06:30] I think about everything.

[06:33] Why is it that anybody on the left and

[06:37] anybody on the right that's got anything

[06:40] to say about anything and a point of

[06:42] view that may or may not be

[06:47] common sense, that may or may not be

[06:51] empathic and compassionate and honest.

[06:56] Why is everyone a dick?

[07:00] I don't know what it is. Like because

[07:02] like it's like anybody that is

[07:04] forthright about their opinion, maybe

[07:07] it's in the energy of being forthright

[07:09] with your opinion, but I'm like I

[07:13] constantly find myself listening to

[07:15] people and going, "Yeah, I think I agree

[07:18] with that." But you're a dick.

[07:21] >> Well, with with he he was a bit

[07:23] different though, wasn't it? Because he

[07:23] think I didn't watch

[07:24] >> I'm not talking about Charlie Kirk when

[07:26] I say that. I It's like I'd like to

[07:29] separate

[07:30] that. I'm not I'm not calling Charlie

[07:32] Kirk a dick.

[07:33] >> No, I think you're calling the guy who

[07:34] shot him a dick.

[07:35] >> No, no, no. Forget that bit of our

[07:37] conversation.

[07:38] >> Yeah.

[07:38] >> My ADHD just jumped to a place where I'm

[07:42] now thinking about the left and the

[07:44] right. God bless Charlie Kirk. God bless

[07:46] Charlie Kirk and his family and his

[07:48] kids. I got four kids.

[07:50] >> But they were there.

[07:54] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[07:55] >> Yeah. It's terrible. Please, please

[07:57] allow me to cuz Yeah, please allow me to

[07:59] put that to the side and ask you that

[08:01] question.

[08:01] >> Go on.

[08:03] >> About these culture wars.

[08:05] >> Mhm.

[08:06] >> Why is it

[08:08] that everybody with an opinion

[08:11] feels like a toxic person?

[08:13] >> The reason I think that is um I think

[08:19] there's two two reasons from our

[08:22] evolutionary biology.

[08:25] One is that we evolved needing status.

[08:30] And there are three ways to get status.

[08:32] This is Will stores um theory. Uh he

[08:36] wrote a book about it, the status game.

[08:38] The best way to do that is through

[08:40] success. You've done that. You don't

[08:43] need to be a dick to get status or

[08:45] anything like that. You got status. You

[08:46] got the biggest status in the world. You

[08:49] got it. And that's a really healthy way

[08:51] to do it. Success. Not everybody can

[08:53] have success. So there's two other ways.

[08:57] One is dominance. Being a bully, you

[09:01] know, the chimps, you get to the top by

[09:03] being physical and do. Some people can't

[09:04] be physical and dominant cuz they're

[09:06] just not. And they do it through virtue.

[09:08] They show like, hey, look how I got

[09:10] everybody dinner or whatever, you know,

[09:11] and then you get given more shelter and

[09:13] more food in the evolutionary thing. So

[09:16] everybody's like, even when they don't

[09:17] realize they're doing it, they're all

[09:18] vying for the top status. And if they're

[09:20] not successful, they're being dominant

[09:22] or they're showing look how good I am

[09:24] and those people are clashing with one

[09:26] another. That's sort of the most simple

[09:28] way I can I can think of it. Uh and and

[09:31] >> isn't isn't it isn't it just as simple

[09:33] that that anger anger

[09:37] anger

[09:39] andor self-righteousness just doesn't

[09:41] look good on anybody even if they're

[09:43] right.

[09:45] >> Yeah. I mean, obviously the internet can

[09:48] shout at me and give me countless

[09:51] amounts of people that go, "Well, what

[09:53] about the what about?" Yeah, well, I

[09:55] haven't got Wikipedia or Google in my

[09:57] brain, but it just strikes me that when

[09:59] I hear and see people that have that

[10:03] have an opinion about anything,

[10:07] it feels slightly toxic left, right, or

[10:10] wherever.

[10:10] >> I think so. I agree with you. I think I

[10:12] think that humility is something that is

[10:13] maybe a luxury. being humble. You can do

[10:16] that when your life's going well. And I

[10:18] wonder if most people listening will

[10:19] relate to that when they might remember

[10:20] a time when they weren't doing well and

[10:22] then they weren't be able to be happy

[10:23] for other people so much and they got

[10:25] into arguments easier. Often it's if

[10:28] it's not going well in their own lives,

[10:29] I think. And then it's just tribal,

[10:31] isn't it? Tribes, you know, and you go,

[10:32] I'm in this tribe, which is the left or

[10:34] the right, and I'm in this other tribe

[10:35] and all.

[10:36] >> But I but I don't, you know, like things

[10:38] are going well for me, but I still get

[10:39] jealous.

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