Matthew Marsden and Sara Gonzales on Media Rhetoric, Political Violence, and the War on Free Speech

[00:00] It's like, gosh, was this only a matter

[00:03] of time? They tried to kill our

[00:05] president. That didn't work. They're

[00:08] just going to start what? Going after

[00:10] all of us now?

[00:11] >> Well, we've said on this show many, many

[00:14] times that if you call someone a white

[00:16] supremacist, if you call them a Nazi, if

[00:18] you call them a fascist, then what

[00:20] you're doing is you're justifying any

[00:22] violence that is being committed against

[00:24] them because those things are evil.

[00:26] And if you were to listen to that CNN

[00:28] clip, of course that's what you would

[00:30] come away with, right? You'd be like,

[00:31] "Well, hang on a second. Why is he

[00:33] making it about this? It's lies by

[00:35] emission, right? Like that's what

[00:37] they're doing and these people are

[00:38] deeply evil. They they're just deeply

[00:42] evil people." Now, do I do I know if

[00:46] they really think that their behavior is

[00:49] going to have consequences? Sometimes I

[00:51] don't know, Sarah. You know, sometimes I

[00:53] don't know. Sometimes I think it's just

[00:54] a game to them. But when you have the

[00:57] president being shot

[00:59] >> and you have a man die behind him and

[01:03] you have an army of people go out there

[01:05] within minutes like no they didn't even

[01:07] they're like it's fake. He he popped a

[01:09] blood packet. He did this. So what that

[01:12] does it immediately diminishes it. It

[01:13] dim

[01:14] >> shrapnel. It was shrapnel from the uh

[01:16] the teleprompter

[01:16] >> the teleprompter and all that and and

[01:18] I'm there and I'm like listen I'm a

[01:19] subject matter expert on this. I've been

[01:20] in movies where you you where you use

[01:23] guns, right, and you make it look like

[01:25] you shoot people. That is impossible.

[01:27] It's impossible. And so just diminishing

[01:31] this and not saying what they should

[01:32] have done then was like, "Hey everybody,

[01:35] stop. This violence is bad. We don't

[01:37] want it." I'm just going to say to every

[01:40] person that is on Twitter right now and

[01:43] on social media, you when you come on

[01:45] and say, "Oh, uh uh we we we shouldn't

[01:48] have violent." You're all guilty of

[01:50] this. You're all guilty of it. We tried

[01:52] to tell you, the right tried to say,

[01:53] "Please stop. Please stop. Please stop.

[01:56] Please stop this.

[01:58] This is the shot heard around the world,

[02:01] part two."

[02:03] Because I'm telling you right now, my

[02:04] phone has been blown up. People are

[02:06] like, "I'm done. I'm over." Like, that's

[02:08] it. There's no more dialogue. I'm not

[02:09] having this anymore because people are

[02:11] getting killed. That that that man that

[02:14] man did not deserve to die. That is it's

[02:18] a crime against humanity.

[02:20] It's horrendous.

[02:21] >> Yeah. Because I mean what what what what

[02:23] did he do? He said things that hurt your

[02:26] feelings.

[02:27] He talked about the the actual

[02:29] statistics that exist.

[02:32] Showing the disproportionate amount of

[02:34] violent crime that black people commit.

[02:38] Oh, you're not supposed to talk about

[02:39] that. I know. I know. I know what this

[02:42] is supposed to do. I know exactly what

[02:43] this is supposed to do. This is supposed

[02:45] to scare every single one of us from

[02:47] ever speaking out about anything that we

[02:49] are seeing with our own eyeballs.

[02:52] >> I'm supposed to think twice before

[02:54] talking about the fact that we seem to

[02:56] see this uptick in trans people

[02:58] committing mass shootings. You're not sh

[03:01] you could be shot if you say that. We're

[03:03] not supposed to say that. We're not

[03:05] supposed to say that. Uh again that

[03:07] there is a real problem in the black

[03:09] community when we talk about violence.

[03:13] There are a lot of things now that we as

[03:15] conservatives are that is the entire

[03:19] point of all of this. It's why they

[03:21] tried to shoot the president when he was

[03:23] running. What a message that would send

[03:26] to the masses. What a message that would

[03:29] send to every single one of you if you

[03:32] thought that you were safe to go out

[03:34] there and share the truth and talk about

[03:36] statistics and try to have a respectful

[03:38] dialogue with someone.

[03:40] you might die. That's what they want you

[03:43] to think. That's the message that this

[03:45] is supposed to send. And do you know

[03:46] what? I'm concerned that it's going to

[03:48] work.

[03:51] >> I don't think so.

[03:53] I don't think so. I think that what this

[03:56] has done is it's riled something up in

[03:58] this country where they're going to say,

[04:01] "I'm done. I'm not having this anymore."

[04:04] And I I I think that it's going to

[04:06] actually strengthen people's resolve

[04:09] whether or not there the left is going

[04:11] to get more and more violent. You know,

[04:13] it is what it is. I look Sarah, this is

[04:16] not just an American thing. This is a

[04:18] global thing. If you look at what's

[04:20] happening in the UK, they're doing the

[04:22] same thing, but they're just not using

[04:23] guns. Because in the UK, they don't have

[04:27] a First Amendment right to free speech.

[04:28] Trust me, if there wasn't a first

[04:30] amendment right to free speech, they'd

[04:32] be locking you up or trying to lock you

[04:33] up for doing memes, right? Because this

[04:35] is a Marxist leftist agenda. This is

[04:39] this is communism. This is what they're

[04:41] doing. And they're utilizing the useful

[04:43] idiots to achieve their game that their

[04:46] goal.

[04:46] >> Yeah,

[04:47] >> that's what it is. So, in the UK right

[04:49] now, you have people being arrested

[04:52] like, you know, for memes, but they

[04:53] don't because they don't have a first

[04:54] amendment right to free speech. Here,

[04:56] what's the alternative?

[04:58] They're going to kill you. They're going

[04:59] to harm you. They're going to threaten

[05:00] you with violence. But the problem is

[05:04] Americans are built of different stuff.

[05:07] And this is not going to deter them. In

[05:09] fact, this is going to make people even

[05:11] more determined that you are not going

[05:14] to stifle our free speech.

[05:17] But there's no there's no arguing now.

[05:19] If there wasn't before, there's some

[05:21] reason for why they said that

[05:22] President Trump wasn't shot three. What?

[05:25] Twice? at least twice.

[05:29] That's gone. Now, we know who commits

[05:31] the violence. We've said it over and

[05:32] over again. And by the way, I do want to

[05:33] say this quickly is that every single

[05:35] time that this woman, every time that

[05:37] she went to one of those drag queen

[05:39] story hours, it could have happened to

[05:40] her. So, when we keep talking about

[05:43] getting involved and backing the people

[05:44] that are putting themselves out there,

[05:46] it could have quite easily been a mom, a

[05:49] daughter, a wife, a friend.

[05:53] So, just remember that because people

[05:55] put their lives on their line. It's ve

[05:57] it's it's it's very very serious.

[06:00] >> And we tried to warn them. We tried to

[06:03] warn the mainstream media.

[06:06] You're going to finally get someone

[06:07] killed. Hey, President Trump has had not

[06:11] one but two assassination attempts. Many

[06:14] threats. Two actual very close calls.

[06:17] Maybe you guys, I don't know, could tone

[06:21] down your rhetoric. Maybe you could

[06:23] stop, as Matt pointed out, maybe you

[06:25] could stop calling us Nazis with no

[06:27] evidence. Maybe you could stop calling

[06:30] us fascists with no evidence. Maybe you

[06:33] could stop calling us white supremacists

[06:34] with no evidence. Maybe you could stop

[06:36] calling the leader of our country Hitler

[06:40] with no evidence at all. Maybe you guys

[06:44] could just just just turn it down just a

[06:47] little bit. And what did they do? They

[06:50] went out there night after night and

[06:53] lied to everyone intentionally.

[06:56] Intentionally. And I am obviously a big

[06:59] supporter of the First Amendment and

[07:00] freedom of the press, but like

[07:04] I just

[07:07] there have to be consequences.

[07:08] >> Yeah. I mean,

[07:09] >> there have to be consequences for this.

[07:11] I mean, because again, I'm a firm

[07:13] believer in the the the First Amendment

[07:15] right of you to speak, but you don't get

[07:17] to speak without consequence,

[07:19] right? There's always a consequence for

[07:21] your actions. Whether it be that, you

[07:23] know, you you have the right to if

[07:26] you're a racist, you have the right to

[07:28] say you're a racist. Other people have

[07:30] the right to not associate with you

[07:31] because you say you're a racist, right?

[07:33] There's always a a reaction to the

[07:35] action. And I I just I I'm just left

[07:38] wondering at what point do we get there?

[07:41] Because you can't lie to people time and

[07:44] time and time again and expect nothing

[07:48] to happen. You can't lie about people

[07:51] about people. These are real people.

[07:56] I mean, I I remember when God, who was

[08:00] it? It was one of those on the

[08:02] view.

[08:03] I don't remember which one it is, but it

[08:05] doesn't matter because they're all the

[08:07] same. And it was one of them after

[08:09] President Trump went up on the RNC stage

[08:12] at the convention and he had the the the

[08:14] the bandage on his ear. He had just

[08:17] gotten shot and you had Kai Trump out

[08:19] there and Kai Trump, his granddaughter,

[08:21] stood out there and stood up there and

[08:23] talked about her grandfather. And what

[08:26] the view said was, "I didn't like it

[08:29] because it humanizes him."

[08:31] >> Oh my god. It humanizes him. And I

[08:35] remember thinking like

[08:38] what? Like what am I hearing? These

[08:40] people don't want anyone to remember

[08:43] that we are human.

[08:46] And this is the end result of that. They

[08:49] don't want you to be humanized. They

[08:51] want you to be demonized. Because if

[08:52] you're demonized, what comes next is

[08:54] obvious. And what comes next is

[08:56] justified in their mind. That is why

[08:59] they are doing what they are doing. That

[09:01] is why you hear the rhetoric that you

[09:03] heard both before Charlie Kirk was

[09:07] killed?

[09:14] Did he deserve to die cuz he had a

[09:16] different opinion? Did those children

[09:19] deserve to grow up without a father

[09:22] because he had a different opinion?

[09:26] his beautiful wife has to navigate this

[09:28] alone because he had a different

[09:30] opinion.

[09:33] Is that what the left is reduced to?

[09:35] >> I think that

[09:37] what CO did was it showed us what people

[09:41] were willing to do for power over

[09:45] others.

[09:48] You saw it over and over and over. I

[09:49] know you got it. I got it. You know, I

[09:51] hope you die. um you know I I got told

[09:54] don't my kids die um you know because

[09:57] you know they're such wonderful people

[09:59] and what it did was it exposed this

[10:01] really disgusting nasty underbelly of

[10:04] the left

[10:06] um it was it's it's got worse it's got

[10:10] more radical and and part of the problem

[10:13] is that it is systemic they talk about

[10:16] you know systemic racism you ask them

[10:18] can you show me some of it no if you

[10:21] want to see systemic leftism. It's

[10:24] everywhere in almost every college

[10:27] campus across the country and um this is

[10:33] something that's been building for quite

[10:34] some time.

[10:36] It's a major problem because you've got

[10:39] radicals,

[10:40] real radicals, real I mean you got

[10:43] radicals and the useful idiots, right?

[10:45] And the ones that want to glob onto

[10:46] something and feel like because they

[10:48] don't have God that they want to feel

[10:50] part of something bigger. So they glob

[10:52] onto this and what has happened is these

[10:56] people now over the past 15 years have

[10:59] risen to positions of power and that's

[11:03] that's very very problematic and until

[11:08] America and I mean all the right like

[11:10] stop sending your kids to liberal

[11:12] colleges guys stop it stop it start

[11:16] turning up to your school boards and

[11:18] asking for these to get fired

[11:21] who think it's okay for kids to go into

[11:23] males to go into females changing rooms.

[11:26] This is what we've said all along.

[11:28] You've tried to ring the warning bell on

[11:30] this so many times and we keep saying

[11:33] get involved. Get involved. Get

[11:34] involved. Well, this is what happens.

[11:36] You raise these people eventually get to

[11:38] the top because they look they're not

[11:40] like us. And this is part of the problem

[11:42] with the rugged individualism of the

[11:44] right. They don't look they don't look

[11:45] after each other. We know all about

[11:47] that, right? The right does not look

[11:48] after each other. But the left promotes

[11:50] promotes promotes because they

[11:51] understand power, right? We want to do

[11:54] it through through virtue and we want to

[11:56] do it through achievement. They want to

[11:58] do it to wield power. So then what

[12:01] you've got is you've got these hotbeds

[12:03] of radicalism that are teaching kids,

[12:06] no, you know what, America's a bad

[12:08] place. Charlie Kirk is evil. Uh blah

[12:10] blah blah. That's why Charlie Kirk went

[12:12] to the belly of the beast to take him.

[12:15] He knew. He knew where he had to get in.

[12:17] And all he needed was that little bit of

[12:19] an opening. And what did he do? He said,

[12:21] "You've seen it a thousand times when

[12:22] he's having this conversation." Well,

[12:24] okay, I'm willing to listen to you.

[12:26] Okay, he's very respectful. Even when

[12:27] people are yelling at him, it was

[12:29] unbelievable. I I I would not be that

[12:31] cool. I'll be going up and I'll be

[12:32] punching their lights out, right? And he

[12:34] was such a gentleman.

[12:36] But this is all throughout America. And

[12:39] now the right has to understand.

[12:42] They have to understand what is going

[12:44] on. Because I'll tell you this, what you

[12:47] said about dehumanizing President Trump,

[12:50] when you are a celebrity,

[12:52] you are you you're dehumanized. You're

[12:55] just this person. You're this figure

[12:56] that people look at and and you're a

[12:58] cardboard cutout.

[12:59] >> That's what you are. You're not you're

[13:00] not a real person. You don't have a

[13:02] family. Well, Charlie was different

[13:04] because everybody saw him as a real guy.

[13:07] And he said, "Look, I I think part of it

[13:09] is he's like, I didn't go to college.

[13:10] I'm an autodidact. I did all these

[13:12] things." And so people could relate to

[13:14] that and they loved the way he was with

[13:16] people. So I think now that what they've

[13:20] aimed to do

[13:22] has been is going to result in the

[13:24] actual opposite. I think that Charlie is

[13:27] going to be greater now. I think that I

[13:30] think his legacy is going to be picked

[13:32] up by millions of people. I really do.

[13:36] And and I you know it's uh I still can't

[13:39] believe it. Like you're saying it's like

[13:40] hang on a second. I want to go and see

[13:42] him on college camp. Like I want my kids

[13:44] to see him on college campus. He's gone.

[13:46] But this is what they do. He was a

[13:48] danger to them. And we have to

[13:50] understand and I want everybody watching

[13:52] to understand this is a spiritual war

[13:56] between good and evil. And he was a good

[13:58] man. And he was a bibleelving Christian

[14:02] and they can't have that. And now I hope

[14:04] you understand what you're up against

[14:06] and what we have been we deal with every

[14:08] day behind the scenes. Right. I would

[14:10] ask everyone to keep Charlie Kirk's

[14:12] family in your prayers, his wife, his

[14:15] young children, and um everyone who knew

[14:18] him. Keep our country in your prayers,

[14:21] please.