"I Want The DEATH Penalty" Charlie Kirk Memorial | Feat Kari Lake & Tim Miller

Father, forgive them for they not know what they do. >> I saw the bias. I saw the hatred toward the the MAGA movement, the media. They need to be cancelled, muted. They're absolutely aborant. >> I'm angry. I'm going to stay angry because if we start playing this game of, okay, you did it, progressive lefts. Now you want to play nice. You want to say peace. We should we should come together. Kumbaya I'm going to stay mad. During his memorial service, you felt the need to just live post a lot of crap about it. >> Charlie Kirk did the same thing in his life, and you guys treat him like Jesus. Charlie Kirk mocked and ridiculed George Floyd, who was shot, who was killed by a cop. >> I just think this is like one of the most depressing 35 minutes I've ever spent in my entire life uh being on with these people. Charlie Kur's memorial was a spectacular show of defiance attended by tens of thousands of Americans and watched by millions across the world. His killer wanted to silence him. Instead, his ideas and his values have been amplified on a breathtaking scale. And after two weeks of uproar, grotesque celebrations on one side, chilling calls for vengeance on the other, Kirk's widow Erica sees the moral high ground. On the cross, our savior said, "Father, forgive them for they not know what they do." That man, that young man, I forgive him. That took extraordinary courage, spirit, and sacrifice beyond rational comprehension. Erica's a grieving widow and the mother of two very young, grieving children. Their lives have been indelibly scarred by a hateful coward. Forgiveness wouldn't be on my mind. Not for a very long time. Perhaps that's what the president was getting at when he had lived one of the day's more conspicuous remarks. A statement that were probably only he could get away with. >> He did not hate his opponents. wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erica. But now Erica can talk to me and the whole group and maybe they can convince me that that's not right. But I can't stand my opponent. Charlie's angry looking down. He's angry at me now. President Trump's speech was a slightly awkward mix of eulogy and campaign speech, but that's what he does. And the same can be said about the whole event. You won't often see scripture and memorial paired with pyrochnics and patriotism, but that's what Charlie Kirk did. Turning Point's events were packed with sparkle and spectacle that made the RNC feel like a nursing home. And that's just part of why so many young people flock to them and ultimately to Trump. Plenty of people won't like it, just as plenty of people didn't like Charlie Kirk. But the fact of the matter is that right now in death as in life, Charlie Kirk is recruiting many more people to his cause than his opponents are turning away. To reflect on yesterday's memorial to debate how polarized politics in the US has now become, I'm joined by Tim Miller, commentator at the Bullwalk, Wajhat Ali, the host of Democracy, Eric Bowling, the host of Balling on YouTube and a Turning Point USA board member who was at yesterday's memorial. We'll begin with Carrie Le, the senior adviser at the US Agency for Global Media, who was also at service in her native Arizona yesterday alongside many in the Trump administration. Carrie, welcome back to Uncensored. I I had a text exchange with President Trump um when he was on his way uh in which he just said that it was a very big day, but was also going to be a very tough day. Um actually, when I watched it, it it was very moving. It was very emotional in parts, but actually the the strongest sense I got was of an extraordinary sense of unity amongst everybody there and a determination to keep the Charlie Kirk flag flying. What was what was your impression being there? >> Uh definitely unity. I mean, we were there to remember um a friend, a great patriot, a great American, a great uh Christian. And it was extraordinary. I mean the whole event started with hours of worship music by the biggest uh you know performers in Christian music. Um it was getting there was it was almost impossible. I mean the every road going in was filled and standstill traffic and people were walking from miles away. And I bring this up because you talked about unity. Usually there's frustration involved in that. I mean, nobody likes to hit gridlock on a freeway when you're 5 miles out and you know it's going to be a long haul to get into this uh event. I didn't hear one horn. I didn't see one person lose their cool in traffic. I saw people dressed in their Sunday best wearing red, white, and blue. That was kind of the theme. Everybody wore patriotic colors walking with their children for blocks and in some cases miles to get in. Uh trash cans were so full because people were walking and their water bottles were there. And when the trash can filled up, nobody threw stuff on the side of the road. They they stacked it neatly near the trash container. This was a group of Americans who love this country, a patriotic group, many of whom were Christians, all of whom loved Charlie Kirk for the strong message he shared, for the peaceful way that he spread the word of our Constitution and our freedoms. And even the politicians that were there were talking about that. We've got to start coming together as a country. And that doesn't mean we give up what we believe in, but we can no longer tolerate the crime, the violence that is coming at us. And we've we've sat down and taken it for a long time. Now we're standing up and we refuse to take it. >> The the issue of political violence is not just an issue for people on the left against people on the right. It's gone the other way many times in modern American history. A lot of it is driven by deranged minds. There's no question. A lot of it is driven by people who have lost all sense of humanity. A lot of it's driven by impression impressionable minds hearing rhetoric which may fuel them. We don't know what fueled this particular shooter yet uh in terms of actual fact. But what we do know is it looks like he was motivated by anti-fascist thinking and had probably been led to think that Charlie Kirk was a fascist because that's what a lot of people have been doing with people on the right which I think has been a big problem with all this. Um, but do you accept, Carrie, that this is a it's not just a one-sided problem, that political violence and violent rhetoric is a problem on both sides of the divide, and it's incumbent on everybody in a position of authority and influence to take the lead here in trying to to just tone things down. There's been a few cases where it goes from from the right to the left, but there's been an exorbitant number where it's coming from the left to the right. And you can't deny that. If you add it all up, it's just more violence. I mean, President Trump was nearly assassinated. There's another attempt on his life. God knows how many they've averted. Charlie Kirk was speaking to students when he was taken out by an assassin's bullet. We we've seen the case in uh DC where uh leaders there were shot while while at a baseball game and and nearly killed. It it's it's typically going one way. But the bigger question, I think, is why are these minds these delusional minds? What what is what's getting into their mind? And why are they why did that young man have a hatred in his heart for Charlie Kirk and conservatives? And I think we have to look at what caused that. And there is no denying that it's coming from the media, that it's coming from the schools, the professors, the indoctrination from K through 12, and then continued on in the higher education institutions and the media and the culture. It's 100% negative. And it has been about President Trump, about conservatives. They've equated us to Nazis. They've equated us to Hitler. No wonder these young kids are, you know, bloodthirsty and trying to kill people. In their minds, they've been told for their entire life that people like President Trump and Charlie Kirk and me and conservatives are the worst thing in the world. That's what's got to stop, PICE. That's what's got politics will be politics and we're going to continue to have vigorous and rigorous debate, but it's got to stop. And it's been coming from the media. And I know it. I worked in the media. I saw it. I saw the bias. I saw the hatred toward the the MAGA movement. I saw the hatred toward the people who follow President Trump. The media has to take credit for what they have caused, the chaos they've caused in our country. And they haven't done it. And until they do, they need to be turned off, cancelled, muted. They're absolutely aborant. >> Do you hate your opponents? >> I don't really I don't hate anybody. I really don't. I I actually don't do I dislike the behaviors of people. Absolutely. This this killer who took Charlie's life. I don't harbor hate in my heart for anybody. But what I do want is justice. I want swift justice. And once his due process has happened and he's gotten his due process and if found guilty, I want the death penalty. And I think that a many many Americans do. and on that Carrie just on that one point before I go to the panel >> that's what's really interesting about this because if you ask Donald Trump he was pretty clear and I thought actually you know as he often can be commendably honest about what he feels about his opponents he hates them a lot of them hate him and he wasn't going to sugarcoat that and he was honest about how he feels even though it struck to many a jarring note because of what Erica Kirk had said about forgiveness but where does where does your demand for this killer to be executed and Donald Trump believes that too and many on the right do. Where does that sit with Erica Kirk saying that she forgives this shooter based on her very strong faith which Charlie shared? Are you sure that Charlie Kirk would want his killer to be executed? If you're stressed about back taxes, miss the April deadline or your books are a mess? Well, don't wait. The IRS is cracking down. 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So forgiveness does not mean you don't want justice. Forgiveness is actually a way to heal your own heart. Because if you hold on to anger and forgiveness, it hurts the person who holds it more than it hurts the person you're angry with. And so for Erica to say, "I forgive him," as Christ showed us, will actually help heal her heart faster. But under no circumstance did she say or would she say she does not want justice for her husband's assassin. >> Okay, let's bring in the the other members of the panel. Tim Miller, let me start with you. Um there's been a lot of fallout from Miss Charlie Kirk thing. It's been a huge huge story that we can all agree on. Um, you know, the number of people here in the UK who've been talking to me about Charlie Kirk, someone that most of them had never heard of until, you know, 10 days ago has been really fascinating. It's a global story with real impact. And at the heart of it to me is this, which is that Charlie Kirk may have had views that you you might not have agreed with many of them. I'm sure you didn't. uh you know he was a conservative Christian right-wing person to his bootstraps but he was also almost uniquely actually out there every week deliberately going into places where many people didn't agree with him and encouraging open free democratic debate prove me wrong was his mantra and when you watch those debates he was respectful he was polite he tried to help the people on occasion why did that guy become this hate figure so detested that a 22year-old wants to kill him. >> Well, Piers, um I guess I don't all completely agree with the whole premise of your question because you know this 22-year-old look, we have this deep problem in this country. It's something that you agree with peers. Like it's very easy for people who have mental health issues to get access to high-powered weapons. And like this kid, this 22year-old, he wasn't he wasn't watching cable news. He wasn't listening to Chuck Schumer probably. He's a 22-y old. If you look at the amount of hours that this kid was spending on social media, he is like deep in Discord chats. Um he is deep in text messages um with with his various friends. Uh he's playing these VR games. Supposedly he has this roommate that is transgender that he is um that he's in love with based on his text. and he's seeing these clips of Charlie on TikTok and some of them are Charlie's own words that he expects to some of them are misleading some of them are taken out of context and you become radicalized and you get easy access to guns and he goes there to the school and I think it's part of a deep cultural issue that we have to we have to address in our country is that for people who get radicalized online for people who get um uh you know who find themselves uh um filled with hate towards someone either from a different political side or a different race. We've certainly seen this with racially motivated violence as well. We've seen like we've seen this from all stripes, right? Like to act like this is one particular thing I I just think is wrong. What we have in this country is that people get radicalized, have easy access to guns, and they went after them and and you know, like I think it's horrible and and I and I wish that everybody would take more to heart what Erica Kirk was saying at the at the um memorial yesterday than what some of the other folks have said. And I think that, you know, by sometimes because this is like a political talk show, you want to make, you know, people want to make this about us and like naval gays about all this. But I think I think that Tyler Robinson was radicalized in a very different way. And I think we have to really think about again weapons, social media, what's happening online, how young people are consuming information, how young people are getting radicalized online. It's a real big challenge for the country and it's just a tragedy that Charlie was a victim of it. Eric Bowling it. I want to play a clip from Van Jones from CNN which went viral which I thought was really powerful. Let's take a look at this. >> I mean this is extraordinary. So this was received the day before he was killed. >> Yeah. Look, I mean we we were beefing. I don't we were going at it online on air. Uh and then after he died, after he was murdered, my team called and said, "Van, he was trying to reach you, man." What? And what was he doing? Dialogue. Uh let's be gentlemen together. Uh he says let's disagree agreeably. So I'm sitting on this and I'm watching the whole country talk about civil war, censorship, uh uh justifying murder about this guy. This guy is reaching out to his mortal enemy saying we need to be gentlemen. sit down together and disagree agreeably and the next day he's killed. And I've sat on it long enough and I just said, "You know what? We're going to Memorial Weekend for this man." We disagree. Everybody knows we were not friends, okay, at all. But you praise the good when it's time to memorialize somebody. And what he did, and I didn't even know it, was good. He was not for censorship. >> He was not for civil war. He was not for violence. He was for dialogue. >> Eric, I found that really powerful because that's somebody who by his own admission was no friend to Charlie Kirk. In fact was as he said a sort of mortal opponent but found it in his heart in the last few days to understand that there was a lot of good in Charlie Kirk. putting aside the views he didn't agree with that there were things that you could look at him and applaud and feel these were things worth noting uh in the wake of his murder. What did you make of what Van Jones did there? >> So well a couple things. Um so why didn't he take the call? Why was it after Charlie's death that his staff had to tell him Charlie was trying to get in touch with him? Look, Ban Jones happens to be probably the most moderate progressive I know, and that's great. And Charlie maybe was reaching out to try and extend an olive branch. Van Jones is not the rule with the liberal left. The progressive left isn't it doesn't position themselves where Van Jones, you know, where they position themselves, Pierce, they position themselves, and I'm talking about JB Pritzker. I'm talking about Jasmine Crockett. talking about Elon Omar. The leaders of the the liberal party, the Democrat party right now are positioning themselves as Trump is Hitler. Anyone who follows Trump is a Nazi. They're bigots. They're fascist. The shooter, the shooter head. Hey, fascist catch on the bullet casing. I mean, of course, they're being radicalized because they're hearing the leaders of the Democrat party say, "Hey, that other that guy Trump was in office and anyone who follows him, they're going to they're going to kill you. They're going to come after you and kill you or or put you in encampments. Of course, people who are easily radicalized will get radicalized. Van Jones is a sensible liberal. Why didn't he take the call Charlie Kirk prior to Charlie's death? Maybe he wasn't going to. I don't know. Yeah. I I will also push back a little bit on it's time for unity. You know, I lost a child. Um you go through the stages of grief, right? It's shock. It's misunderstanding. sadness and anger when Charlie was killed. I I announced it. I was the first one to announce it on on air at 4:13 that that he was pronounced dead. 4:13 on last Wednesday, week ago, Wednesday. And I will never forget that moment that I didn't pass through sadness or disbelief. I went right to anger. And what I wanted I want certain amount of people, people who listen to me certainly to understand I'm angry. I'm going to stay angry because if we start playing this game of okay, you did it progressive lefts. Now you want to play nice. You want to say peace. We should we should come together. Kumbaya We just lost one of the thought leaders in our in our party in our movement. I'm original gangster MAGA. We lost someone very important. I'm going to stay mad. You know, you know what? 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But isn't that slightly contrary to the message that Erica Kirk was conveying yesterday so powerfully, which particularly was powerful given that she was still in obviously in enormous grief, lost her husband just a few days before. Um, I thought the message she wanted to convey clearly was one of forgiveness. And yet here are you, Eric, for reasons I completely understand. You know, in the same way that I understand why Donald Trump says he hates his opponents. And I I look, I like people to be honest about how they're feeling. I think it's important. Um, but do you not think there's a conflict between your desire to be full of anger and want to make this a political battle now and Erica making it clear that she had found it in herself to forgive this person? >> Erica is a better Christian than I am, Pierce. No doubt about it. And she will probably forgive the shooter. I I'm not ready to do that. I'm not sure TPUSA will be all about, you know, forgiving forgiving people who are killing people on our side. I think you're going to see TPUSA becoming a major, if they weren't already, they will become probably the most efficient, most effective political force on the planet. Money is just flowing into this group. I don't think it'll be all about, you know, let's forgive our our opponents and let's let's forive our people are killing us. I I have to I have to stand up for for Erica right now. I think there's a difference. I know there's a difference between forgiveness and let's let the guy go and not have any accountability that Erica wants justice. I mean, let's forgiveness is like, as I said in the interview earlier, it's a way to uh heal Erica's heart. If you're holding anger, and I I sense the anger, I feel it from you, Eric, and it's totally understandable. But when you're harboring that anger, it hurts you more. And so Erica has to be able to free that and allow her uh to herself to forgive and then justice shall come. No, under no circumstance will the person who killed Charlie Kirk be let go and not seeking justice. The harshest justice will occur and that's going to happen. But when it comes to unity, uni unifying doesn't say, okay, we're going to take these radical leftists and we're going to do a kumbaya. No, they are radical and they are violent and we cannot allow that. Unity means people who have woken if you've woken up Hold up. If you've woken up to that madness, if you've woken up to that madness and you say, "I don't want what the left is pushing. I recognize now it's violent." We welcome you into this party. If you wake up and say, "The left has gone mad. We're done with it." We welcome you in because we need to come together as Americans, but we don't accept and will not tolerate this hatred, this crazy agenda. >> If if I may, you're being logical. They're not being logical in the we're 12, 13 12 days since Charlie's murder. They're still saying the same things. Elon O literally said Charlie is likely killed because of his thoughts and the way he he he delivered them. um across the board. JB Pritsker continues to call Trump Hitler to this day or Nazis or or or fascist calls any MAGA person fascist. They haven't learned, Carrie. They if they learn and they all came together and said, "You know what? We've we've heightened our rhetoric on our side. We're going to tone it down. Hopefully, you do on the right." That's not where they are. They're getting more aggressive. >> Let me bring in Maj. I responded to you on as you know on X yesterday during the service and it's because you were on this sort of constant stream of consciousness of live posting during the memorial service in a way that I just found increasingly uncomfortable. You know, you just kept pointing out all the bad things about Charlie Kirk. Okay, you're perfectly you're perfectly entitled to those views. Free speech means you can think what you like about Charlie Kirk. He would be the first to say that, by the way. But did you not just on a human level serious question because I I've got a lot of respect for you. We've had a lot of debates together. But I was really shocked that during a murdered man who's 31 years old, two young children, that during his memorial service, you felt the need to just live post a lot of crap about him. Did Did nothing make you think, "Hang on, let's just let them have the memorial service, then we can get back into this stuff." It It looked to me like you weren't prepared to give Charlie Kirk a beat of humanity. So, I've heard a lot about uh mercy and love and forgiveness today, except also a desire for vengeance for the left. So, let me do something different. And in response to you, Purus, let me actually unify all of us and let's bring the temperature down. First and foremost, I think every single person on this panel condemns the horrible murder of Charlie Kirk by a 22-year-old white man from a conservative Christian family who was apolitical according to all the evidence and was radicalized online as Tim said and most likely radicalized because he heard or thought he heard homophobic comments by Charlie Kirk, one of us as the Republican governor of uh Utah said. Not a lefty, not Antifa, not all. >> Actually, that's not what the governor said. Sorry, just to be clear. No, just to be clear that the governor Spencer Cox Muslim Hang on. Just to be clear, because I had this debate a couple of days ago, just to be clear, I went back and checked and the governor Spencer Cox was crystal clear that the investigators so far are working on the belief from what they've found out that this kid had been radicalized by a leftist ideology. That was what he said. So when you say there's no suggestion of that, that's not true. >> You you interrupted all of them. Let me just say my piece and then I'll lower the temperature. When facts matter uh as of just 2 days ago, the FBI sources have said that they find no credible evidence that he was far left. And I'll be fair, no credible evidence that he's far right. This was a man who was radicalized online. 22-year-old white man, not the left. He wasn't transgender. He wasn't Antifa. He wasn't progressives. That's a fact. >> You don't know any of that >> temperature. Let's lower the temperature. >> You're not dialing down the temperature. You're removing >> Absolutely. I'm saying >> you're removing any accountability for for the way that some of the investigation appears to be leading. I think we should wait. But I don't think that when someone puts when someone puts anti-fascist on the bulletin, >> he answer your question, Piers. You asked him why was he a scumbag yesterday by live tweeting and saying horrendous things on Charlie. That was Carrie. Carrie, lying is a sin in Christianity. Carrie, lying is a sin in Christianity. So, let me respond. Let me respond. Lying is Christianity. I also believe in Jesus and Jesus doesn't like liars. All right. Now, let's listen to this real quick. The person who called used the word scumbag and this is where I'm going to say I defended Charlie Kirk because he is a free speech maximalist. In his life, Charlie Kirk used his words to mock the living and the dead. He had every right to. He used the word scumbag to describe George Floyd who was murdered by a cop. He had every right to. He said MLK was an awful person. He has every right to. He said he was against the Civil Rights Act. He had every right to. Charlie Crook would also agree with me and other Republicans right now, including Ted Cruz, Ran Paul, other conservatives or those who are loved by conservatives like Tim Dylan, Ben Shapiro, in that the president of the United States, President Trump, the leader of the country, and the leader of MAGA should not abuse and use his death to do what? Abuse his powers to cancel critics like Jimmy Kimmel. I think Charlie Kirk in his words with his life, if we look at what he said, would say, "You know what? My critics can debate me, they can mock me. His producer said that Charlie Kirk actually enjoyed South Park criticizing him and that South >> But that wasn't my question to be fair. Hang on, hang on, hang on, everybody. Hang on. Just to be clear with your like I said to you at the start, Charlie Kirk, right, would not be the one to complain about this. I was simply asking you that you wanted to, you know, tone things down. Do you not think Do you not think on a human level it was just inappropriate? Never mind anything else. It showed a lack of humanity to just be bombarding on your ex feed endless trash talk about Charlie Kirk as there was a memorial service to his life. >> Praised Erica Kirk. I think one of the most beautiful aspects of yesterday and I think another thing we'll all agree on was Erica Kirk, a widow using her platform at that moment to ask for what? Love and forgiveness. Now, if you were offended by me bringing out Charlie Kirk's own record and words against him, you have every right to. Charlie Kirk didn't Donald Trump, the president of the United States, what did he say? You quoted, I'm going to quote him again. This is Donald Trump right after Erica Kirk in a humane Christian way asked for forgiveness. You know what Donald Trump, the leader of MAGA said, and I'm going to quote him. He Charlie Kirk did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent. I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. He then spent the next 45 minutes at Charlie Kirk's funeral using and abusing his murder. >> But what does that have to do with you 45 minutes? >> Answer the question. >> What does that have to do with you with Jaw? I simply asked you a question. >> Perfectly fine. I simply asked you. Do you not think on a human level? >> I am perfectly fine. >> Do you think it was inappropriate for you on a human level to be >> Yes. >> What? It was inappropriate or appropriate? >> I Charlie Kirk did the same thing in his life and you guys treat him like Jesus. was during someone's >> Charlie Kirk did it during someone's memorial service. >> Wait, wait, wait. Let's bring up facts. >> Uncensored is proudly sponsored by Cozy Earth, which like me delivers next level quality and comfort. If I wasn't hosting this show today, I'd be wearing a pair of their bamboo joggers. Why? Well, they're buttery soft. 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And Carrie Lake, I want to ask you this because you're a person who's allegedly Christian. You didn't blame Tyler Perry. You were very forgiving. You blamed the indoctrination camps. You said at Kennedy Center, you blame colleges. You said their indoctrination camps. You said the one semester that Tyler Perry was at the indoctrination camp, your quote, that was the one thing that was responsible. And then you said people should not send their kids to colleges. Can you look at the camera right now, right now, and tell your Republican colleagues, elected officials who have sent their kids to Ivy League colleges right now, take their kids out of college. have the courage of your convictions. Carrie Lake, you called them indoctrination camp. Ask your Republican colleagues >> right now. >> I think you I think college, just like Charlie, I think college is overrated. And in many cases, I know many many of my friends have sent their children off to college, loving children. They come back, they don't like their family anymore. They've completely become politicized to a almost violent level. I stand by exactly what I said, but it goes a step further. >> Do you ask your Republican party? Frankly, it's people like you who spread lies in the media who have done more damage to this country in the minds of young people. And you had a chance to apologize what you did yesterday. I didn't see it. Thank goodness. >> But you know, PI just asked, do you think that was appropriate? I really I really really question. >> Let me ask Okay, let me ask you. Let me ask Tim Let me ask Tim Miller because I can see you pulling a few faces here, but I'm just not entirely sure why. So, explain what you're feeling right now about this. I just think this is like one of the most depressing 35 minutes I've ever spent in my entire life uh being on with these people. And um I think that this is a big tragedy. I think in a liberal democracy um that we all should agree that people are responsible for their own actions that people should be held >> should be held accountable for their own actions as individuals. that we we this is not I don't want this country to become Yugoslavia where the Serbs hate the Croats and every Crowat is bad and every Serb is bad and every MA every non-MAGA is responsible for Tyler Robinson's actions and every MAGA is responsible for David Dep's actions and we come on here and we shout at each other and we say that oh what did what did Carrie just say oh that the liberals have become violent the liberal it's a violent movement it's like that's that is not true or that that Waja comes on here and starts like shout not answering the question shouting like why are we what is the point of this >> him but okay >> to come back together we should be able to come back together and engage on the merits of what happened uh every liberal is not violent I know lots of liberals I talked to a lot of lot of liberals don't don't own weapons don't want to have weapons preach peace there were obviously a lot of Christians and MAGAS and conservatives that preached peace yesterday including Charlie's wife like we're going to come on here and smear everybody from the other side and incight and have and have Eric come on and say I'm angry and I want to go at war with the left. I I'm sorry. I just I'm signing out from all this. I'm checking out from all of it. Tyler Robinson, what he did was horrible and he's responsible for his actions. People are responsible for their words if they're lying and they should and they should be called out for it. Uh but like why what what are we why are we doing this? I mean Megan Kelly yesterday was tweeting at me. Carrie we retweeted it. She she said you she said to me you gleefully cancelled all of us for 5 years. One of yours killed Charlie and then you laughed at our pain. I I Carrie just said they they did this. Use the word they. I I don't I didn't do any of that. I didn't laugh at Charlie. I didn't kill Charlie. Um I I I don't I I don't take any glee in his pain. I've become it's it's really affected me emotionally in a in a deep way. And I think that the way that we've all decided to treat each other on these panels like we're we're enemies and there's some civil war when like the reality is is a deranged 22year-old that got radicalized did something really bad and we should all condemn it and say we don't want that to become a country where people do political assassinations. Um unfortunately I just don't think that we're up for that and I've got to listen to like this clown show and it's pretty frustrating frankly and depress. It's not frustrating actually. It's really sad. It makes me sad. It's I'm depressed by it all. >> Do you know that's a very honest It's a very honest thing. Let me >> Can I respond just a little bit to that? I mean, I I I think I got dragged there and I'm I agree that the person who shot our our friend >> is the one responsible. You came on and tried to blame it on guns. It and it it is a mad man who did a terrible thing, but where did he get indoctrinated? Where did he change his viewpoints? And it has been a constant and Tim, you're in the media. I I assume you would agree that you're in the media. I've seen you on all kinds of on many different shows and you have you have espoused many many viewpoints that have been very very hateful toward the right and so I think it's time to take you know responsibility for it. >> Now this is the thing K and this is the game you're playing is like is that that people have said things and that we need to figure out where this guy got radicalized. That's true. We need to figure out where he got radicalized. I don't think that there's if you if you have kids, you know what 22 year olds watch. I don't think there's any reason to believe that this 22-year-old was like watching MSNBC or something like like we should figure out where he got radicalized. I agree with that. If you look at the carvings on his bullets, like this guy was deep into gamer culture. Like this guy was I'm deeply concerned about the social media companies and Tik Tok and YouTube and and X feeding people very divisive. >> Why are we hiding the elephant in the room? Why are we hiding the elephant in the room? What do we say? Like just to say, "Oh, you've said mean things about MAGA, so you're responsible for this." That's crazy. That that is not >> I do have kids, though. I have I have a 21 and a 22-year-old. So, I have kids right at the age of the killer. And you know what that my kids tell me? Mom, the garbage that's been in culture, what they've taught us at school, what they've taught us at summer camp, what that has played into many people in their generation hating folks who are conservative. They've seen it. My son's at school. He talks about the radical teachers. I said, "Okay, you've talked about the leftist teachers. Tell me you've got at least one or two who would be conservative." He said, "There's zero professors who are conservative on our campus." >> The number one killer of children, the number one killer of children and young teens in America, tragically, in the past two years, is guns. We have more guns. I'm just saying this. This is the fact. The number one killer of children and teens in the United States of America, and I think this is a sobering moment for everyone, cuz I got kids, too, is guns. We have more guns pierced than people. Now, I'm not saying that there's a lot of people have Second Amendment. They're very responsible for the guns. But this 22-year-old Tyler, who was radicalized online, like Tim said, we don't know what's happening with him. He had clear access to guns. And I would hope that this is a moment where some people say, you know what, a majority of gun owners are very responsible. They are in America. That's also a fact. But maybe having this easy access to AR-15 style weapons, maybe just having some >> the difference here. Look, >> everyone knows my view about the the gun issue. And ultimately I concluded this is an issue Americans have to work out themselves in their own country and I got that message which I think is completely reasonable. I feel the same way if Americans were telling us how to lead our lives here. So fair enough. But Eric, you know, one of the things about that argument, which I think doesn't really apply here, is it looks like he just took his grandfather's old old rifle. It wasn't a high-powered AR-15 he had personally gone and bought from a store where you could have a debate about whether someone like him should have had the access and so on. He just took his grandfather's old rifle. I'm not sure how you stop that happening, however many new laws you bring in for gun control. Um, but Eric, your your response to to Tim in particular, Tim, you know, that was a powerful thing that Tim was saying there and I completely understood what he was saying. It really resonated with me because the Charlie Kirk killing moved me a lot. I'm sure it did all of us in different ways, but it it profoundly moved me. Not least because a bit like Tim, bit like others on this panel, we've all got to go out and take part in debates and events and so on. And I defy anyone not to have been thinking or talking to their families about what this means, right? Going forward, right? If we can't have debate in public without people wanting to kill us, where does that take us? However, Tim, with respect, however, you know, lively these panels get and however much you may dislike the tone of it, at least we don't want to shoot each other, right, and kill each other. We're prepared to debate with each other. But Eric, what did you think about what Tim said? >> I I think Tim is being an opportunist right now as as I've seen Tim all over the media, trashing Republicans, certainly trashing people like mega first people, America first people. I remember Tim. Tim, this moment of inflection, retrospective inflection on your part. Admirable. Okay. Here's the problem, though. It's not the guns. It's not the radicalization in schools. It's not the hyper rhetoric that the left is is delivering. It's all of it, Pierce. It's it's all of it. You want to talk guns. You want to talk about in in the state of in many states, but in the state of Florida, if you have a medical marijuana license, you cannot get an open carry. You can't you cannot get a gun. You cannot have the same allowed gun control laws that other people have because you may be under the influence of marijuana when you're holding a firearm. If you've been in mentally um institutionalized, you cannot get a gun. There's the elephant in the room here right now is that this guy wahed said he had access to guns. He had proxity to guns. He he also had proximity to the trans community. His boyfriend was transitioning. Okay, there is a there is a common denominator here almost too frequently certainly by if you take it by the rate number of actual trans people in the world or in America it's like one and a half% the shooters you have this shooter had access to or proximity to to a trans boyfriend who he may be radicalized by him you had Minnesota recently trans shooter you had Nashville trans shooter it goes on and on so the proliferation of trans murderers is a much higher rate than they actually are in the general population. It's >> Eric, that's a lie. And there's no need there's no need to attack. Look, you just literally have increased the temperature. >> If you want to lower the temperature, and I think we all agree on this, Erica Kirk, what she said was the following. She said, "Forgiveness and love." You missed my >> Donald Trump. Wait, wait, wait. Speaking of lowering the temperature, Donald Trump, I don't care if he's a mag. He's a president. He's the president of all Americans. He could have and should have used that moment in front of the world to follow Erica's lead and just lower the temperature. What you have failed to do today is you have to take your major threat in America. Let me just challenge you on that point and the DOJ just scrubbed it. Let me just We want to keep our kids safe. Let me just the problems lower the temperature. >> I'm hearing a lot of people, Destiny did this as well last week. a lot of people on the left coming on and they justify their own behavior by using Trump, right? Well, if Trump's doing this, Trump's doing that, to which my response is, and I think Tim hinted at this earlier, everyone is accountable for their own behavior. You shouldn't have your behavioral pattern dictated to by what the president does or anybody else. You were Jar Hat, right? You're a smart guy. You're a passionate guy. You have a lot of strong beliefs just like Charlie Kurt did. They didn't always uh interlock. Fair enough. But I found what you did yesterday was in was this mindset of if Trump does it, I can do it. And where where's the high moral ground in that? Where is the where is the intellectual consoled the nation yesterday? President Trump consoled the nation yesterday. >> He consoled facts matter. Carrie, real quick, real quick. >> He brought the country together. >> He did not bring the country together. He literally after Erica said a beautiful statement, he literally increased the temperature and said the following. >> We know you read it already. You've done my opponent. Listen, this is what Donald Trump said. I hate my opponent. You've read it already. >> I don't want the best for them. >> You've read it already. >> And as we know, he has asked Pam Bondi, his DOJ, to go against all Democrats. This is a man who is the president of the United States. Lower the temperature. And I also want to say, cuz facts matter, two weeks ago, there was no suspect. Two weeks ago, there was no motive. Irresponsibly and recklessly, it was Donald Trump who took to the world stage and irresponsibly and incorrectly blamed the radical left. And you also had Steven Miller yesterday say them. They were responsible. Not I'm not responsible. Tim's not responsible. It was Tyler Robinson. >> You call Steven Miller a Nazi yesterday and they said they >> you call Steven Miller. Guys look to your leader Donald Trump. >> I looked to you. You called Steven Miller. >> Not the president. You called him you called him a Nazi yesterday. Effectively, you said this sounds like him speech in Germany from 1939. >> Called Donald Trump. >> Here's my point. Trump rewarded him by >> You want the right You want the right to brand Steven Miller and Nazi in the middle of his speech at a memorial service. And then whenever you're challenged about you raising the temperature to such ludicrous levels of comparing people on the Trump MAGA right to Nazis and Hitler and so on. Whenever we say to you, well, why are you doing that? You say, "Ah, but Trump Trump does this and Trump does that and Steven Miller does this." What you don't do is what you don't do is look at yourself and go, "How should I behave? I don't think it's appropriate for you to be calling people Nazis on stage at a memorial service." So peers, do you think it's appropriate for the president of the United States who is far more powerful than me? It's you I'm talking to the stage. Furthermore, I did not call Donald Trump America's Hitler. That was RFK. You call Steven Miller with influential positions. So what are we doing here? What we're doing here is reminding you. >> What I'm doing here is reminding you of what you posted during the memorial service. Lower the temperature. Tweet that out. You you keep talking about lowering Donald Trump which I with respect you keep talking about lowering the temperature. You're the guy who in the middle of the memorial service called one of the speakers a Nazi. >> Who who did I Steven Miller? Steven Miller quoted Gerbles. He quoted >> So you think he's a Nazi? >> And he by the way is in the Trump administration speaking about not lowering the temperature of gerbal speech. >> Is he a Nazi? >> Call him a Nazi but he did quote gerbal speech. >> Is he a Nazi? >> It's terrifying. >> Okay. Is he a Nazi? >> No, he's not Nazi, but he seems to love Nazi points. >> They're probably not helpful in terms of lowering the temperature to brandmorial speech. Let me bring Tim Miller. Let me bring Tim Miller back in here. Tim, you know, this is shameless. Shameless, Pierce. >> It's actually it is shameless because you you keep deflecting from any accountability for what you yourself >> holding me at the same responsibility. Let me bring in tip. Let me bring in and you do not ask Donald Trump and Steven Miller. Yeah, it's fine. They are leading the country. What are you doing here? >> Same. >> Yeah, I I don't know. It's kind of hard to f I mean, watch out made the same point several times. Um the uh I I just want to respond to something Eric said because I do think that it is important. Um where Eric talked about how I go around in the media and I criticize Donald Trump and I criticize macro Republicans. Yeah, I I do that. I have like very deep criticisms of the policies that Donald Trump is putting forth. I have very deep criticisms of the policies that Carrie put forth. We've argued about that before in several um different forums, not just here. We we've had debates, but like here's the thing that that that that the game that is being played that I don't like, right? Which is like Charlie was able to go out and have these debates in public and that was and that was good. And and in those debates, he smeared the left. He went at him hard. He went at him really hard. He attacked people from the left. He attacked Joe Biden. He attacked left politicians. and and that was good that he was out there having those debates and that was a value that he was having those debates and he didn't deserve to die because of that and that is something I 100% agree with. But then you flip it on the other side say well Tim or whoever is out there and they're criticizing MAGA and they use harsh words and they criticize MAGA harshly and that they're responsible then for the violence and I just don't agree with that. That's kind of a leftist view really that like words are violence. Do you not think, Tim? But Tim, on that point, Tim, do you not think because I got into this, there's a political uh show in the UK called Question Time. It's the most watched uh political panel show, and I was on it last week with Bonnie Greer, who's who's an American uh political commentator who just has repeatedly called Trump Hitler and MAGA supporters Nazis in the last few weeks. And I simply said to her, you know, you you're talking about raising lowering the temperature again, the sort of theme, which is fine, but how does it lower the temperature to compare Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler, to compare his supporters to Nazis? And so I think language, like you said, language does matter, right? I do think I do think when an impressionable young damaged mind puts on his bullet casings anti-fascist slogans, he's probably having that put in his head that Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump and all the MAGA right are a bunch of fascist Nazis and Trump's Hitler. He's probably hearing that a lot because you know what? A lot of people on the left continue to call them that. And I think that's wrong. >> Well, okay. Sure. I I guess my point is that I don't think any of us would disagree with the fact that that Charlie Kirk used some very heated intense rhetoric and leveled some very extreme allegations at the left. >> Can we stop trying to blame this on Charlie Kirk? He asked you a question, Tim. Are you going to take any ris are you going to take any Why? >> Whenever you're asked a tough question, >> it goes back to what Donald Trump did and what Charlie Kirk did. What about what we've all said and done and and do you take any responsibility? That's what people >> because the point about the point about the fascism racism well the thing about the Hitler look Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim let me just put it this way Tim the reason I mentioned the Hitler Nazi thing or and the fascist thing that this constant use of this language is that it's entirely consistent logical that if you're a damaged young mind and you genuinely think that Donald Trump is Hitler or Charlie Kirk is a fascist or you know MAGA supporters are Nazis it's entirely logical if you're a disturbed mind that you might think, well, it's my duty to kill these people because they are the new Nazis. >> They are the new Mussolini, you know, and and it's like, no, they're not. >> I hear what you're saying, Pierce, and I promise I'm going to answer. I just I got cut off when people saying I I was trying to when Carrie was saying I was trying to for this. I just want to be 100% clear. I was making the exact opposite point. The exact opposite point. I think that everybody should be careful about their language and accurate. I don't support hyperbole and smearing people falsely. I'm not for that. Okay. But here's the thing. That same logic, right, that because pe because somebody on the left has called Trump a Nazi or because people have called him a fascist, that means they're responsible for this murderer. That same logic would would would rationalize any murder, right? I mean, Donald Trump uses the harshest language about his opponents. He calls them the enemy of the people. He's called them communists. He's called them fascists. He's absorb fascists. Like, he uses extremely nasty rhetoric all the time. Would that would that justify a right-wing person killing a left-wing person? Of course not. No of and and that would be crazy to to to say that. So, here's the thing. Speech is not violence. Charlie would have said that. We all should be able to debate in the public square sometimes intensely. But we shouldn't then go and say, "Okay, that means you are murderers and we need to have literal civil war." And that is what I'm starting to hear out there from people on both the right and the left. And I fundamentally reject it. Okay. Speech is not violence. We should all be more responsible. We should all be more respectful. I I don't think we should have Sorry, Waja. I don't think we should have been live hate tweeting Charlie during his memorial. We can be more respectful. >> Thank you, Tim. >> Words are not violence. >> Thank you for saying that. >> You're welcome. Words are not violence, though. And we shouldn't be accusing the other side and smearing everybody on the other side of being some evil enemy like because of one deranged kid's actions. Like we like that. This is going to end really bad in this country. Yeah, I don't disagree at all. Uh Eric, final word to you. You wanted to say something? >> Yeah. No, I was just I'm going to point something out. So, everyone here wants to We're pundits, guys. Across the board, we're pundits. Carrie works in the administration. Other than that, the rest of us are pundits. So, for Vajit to say we want unity or tone it down, but but if we don't, it's because Trump says a lot of things. Trump was almost assassinated twice. Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a white man for their thoughts and for their thoughts and for their words. Okay, my point is this until and unless, and I'll say both sides. You want to have tone his rhetoric down. You don't have JB Pritsker calling Trump a Nazi. You don't have the leaders on the left, Elon Omar, Jazzy Jasmine Crockett, uh AOC saying, "Oh, if it weren't for the gun, he wouldn't be dead." It was a rifle. It wasn't an automatic or semi-automatic gun. It was a rifle that a bolt-action rifle. It had nothing to do with a gun. So those folks are using it to further divide I'll say on the right and on the left further divide the country because it gets people as for the pundits the people here and pierce you point out the most popular show in England was hosting someone who called Trump a Hitler over the last couple of weeks repeatedly calling us you know fascist whatever gets you booked hate tweeting while Charlie's funeral is on got him booked us his own words >> that's Next level. Good way to do I literally used his own words. You did what you did. I mean by that says a lot about you. I used his own words. >> You know what? It it it is true. You did use his own words but you did it to trash talk Charlie Kurt during the man that you used his own words. >> I thought what you did was horrible and on a human level. On a human level I just found it >> by using his own words. Whatever. Whatever. Just horrible >> by using his own words. >> Okay. I found it horrible. You know what? It's my free speech, right? Thank you all very much for I've got to carry. I've got to leave it after we run out of time. >> I love the show Piers Morgan Uncensored. I know this is a new version. Piers Morgan censored. But >> when Iensored the old version, this guy is depraved. I haven'tens anybody. >> I just told you I found what you said horrible. You know what? says we do that with Jah. >> Can we end on unity? >> Do you agree with me and Ted Cruz that President Trump using and abusing the power of the FCC to cancel his critics is terrible for all people, all Americans? Yes. >> I >> you know, you know, we talked about wanting to unify, but honestly, I don't know who this guy in the middle is other than he's written for >> I'm literally agreeing with Ted Cruz. Do you agree that the president using the FCC to cancel all critics is terrible for Jimmy got cancelled? Jimmy Kimmel got cancelled. >> The good news everybody is I'm about to start another panel debate about the Jimmy Kimmel uh saga. 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