Joe Rogan Experience #2204 - Matt Walsh

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day all right hello what's happening hey great to be back thanks for having me your movie is really funny it's really funny by myself laughing out loud hysterically today I watched it in the sauna I watched it in the gym I watched it uh it it was it's one of the best comedies I've seen in a long time because there's so many moments in it that are so uncomfortable uh that means a lot I appreciate that yeah that's what we're what we're hoping for the robin the robin d'angela one where you gave that guy money for reparations and you got her she thought it was uncomfortable yeah that was kind of uh we when we had the idea for the for the film to talk about race we knew we needed to get Robin D'Angelo I didn't think we'd get her cuz I figured she'd be a lot more sa cautious yeah Savvy and cautious uh but apparently she doesn't she has no idea what's happening outside of her Bubble at all so she didn't know who I was I mean I gave her my name and she had no clue so wow uh so but we we kind of went into that knowing what the end was supposed to be if we could get her we came up with that idea we went to a bar uh the night before the interview and we came up with this idea could we get her to actually pay reparations to ban our Black producer and uh we had to kind of talk him into it and you know it was really just like in real time I was there for about two hours and it was an hour and a half of the most mind-numbing conversation where I'm just none of that's in the movie because it's just me like fluff questions and and I'm and I'm repeating back to her own ideas so she knows that I'm a safe person right it's a safe space and then you got to build to it and build to it and build to it and finally you get to a point where you can do something a little weird and and she'll probably go along with it and um and she did I mean you saw we go through a whole we have a whole series of exercises we we want to do with her and she went she did it she was uh she was game so that was uh and that was one of the first things we filmed so after we got that we knew that okay we have a movie here I feel like you got your money's worth with her seen as it's $155,000 but I feel like you got robbed by the the lady that got upset about the mascot 50 Grand you barely got anything out of her yeah that was well part of the the point of the movie is that's why we put the uh the price tags on the screen um we want people to see how absurd it is so in a certain way it was like it the the higher they quoted the price we said great we'll pay we'll pay that because this is this we want this in the movie right um because if all these people had said oh yeah I'll do it for free or I'll do it for 200 bucks just pay my travel doesn't really make the point right but they all were uh were quoting exorbitant prices and she was she was the most $50,000 and then she basically said almost nothing but um but it was it was okay no one ever found out who the identity of the mascot is no I don't think so it would have been hilarious if it was a person of color well it almost certainly was it it almost certainly was because if it was a white guy they would have thrown him under the bus yeah yeah they would have so the fact that they didn't yeah could it's probably some like Hispanic kid or something and you got to imagine you can't see real good with that [�__�] costume have you ever put a mascot costume on I haven't but I can tell that there's little eyelets you can't even see what's below you exactly that's why yeah Duncan and I did a whole podcast where we pretended to be furries we lasted we we every podcast we do we dress up we'll dress up like Star Wars people or whatever spaceship people we did a podcast as fures we kept the helmets on for maybe 5 minutes we're like I can't [�__�] do it we both took them off like props to the furries if you could run around with this thing this is hard to do like you can't see [�__�] you can't breathe so the idea that he missed those kids is the fur the fures are doing a lot more than running around in those things too so that's the they are they they are I think they designed special ones for that yeah I don't even want to know but but like a hatch but that's it's actually a perfect example of the what these people do these these race Hustlers that something happened it was a little bit unpleasant yes not a big deal there's a million ways to interpret that it's just a normal human thing that happens in the world like things happen that are a little bit unpleasant you're disappointed your kid didn't get a high five okay it happens uh but for them they have one lens for seeing the world and the lens is through this left-wing racial ideology so everything that happens is colored by that right uh and everything is understood through that lens so anything I mean you think about uh Michelle Obama when she was first lady she had multiple stories that she would tell about as first lady being discriminated against because of her race allegedly and one of them was um she was in line for ice cream or something and someone cut in front of her and she told this story in some interview this very dramatic story about well they didn't see her because she's black and meanwhile it's like we've all been cutting L people have cut in front of all of us it's just that if it happens to me at Walmart I don't think of it racially I just think oh this person is an [�__�] exactly but for her it's all it's all racial so that's that's a crazy one to say that someone cutting in front of you a selfish Act is somehow racist just BEC that's like looking for racism everywhere that kind of situation is so normal it's so normal that some dick Cuts in front of you right exactly it's a it's an unpleasant thing that happens to all people and if and if you're not in the uh kind of race Hustler or bubble you don't you don't see it that way but that's but it's interesting that nobody wants to call that out nobody wants to be reasonable nobody wants to say well is that like you just say oh wow you know you have to listen to it that's part of the problem like you can't say are you sure that's racist cuz then you're a racist apologist and then you're racist by proxy yeah and how do you know so how do you know what's in that other person's mind how can you ascribe motives to them this it it drives me nuts that this is what this is what we do now where if someone does something or says something someone else is offended by it that person who's offended gets to decide what the intent was behind the other person's action to the extent that if the other person says no no no this was my intention I'll tell you what it was they don't get to have a say in their the intentions behind their own actions they they are they are suddenly not authorities in in their own behavior exactly this other person who was the offended party gets to inform you what you meant by that thing um which is really what the the you know I mean the move is called am icist but in reality uh there's only one person who can answer whether you're a racist person and that's you and if you don't think that you're racist then you then you aren't because racism is a thought process and if it's not in your head then you're not racist you might you might have stereotypical views about people of other races everybody does to some extent you might think things that are even insulting about people of other races but it's not it's not racist because racist means you hate people of other races or you think they're inferior to you right uh but you could be not a racist person and think that whatever uh Asians are bad drivers you know you could think that that stereotype is true whether it's true or not you just happen to think that that's a true thing about this group doesn't mean you hate them doesn't mean that you think that they're inferior it's 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blinds.com and use the promo code Rogan limited time offer rules and restrictions apply see blinds.com for details exactly whether and and mo exact and most of the time these stereotypes they didn't just fall out of the sky like they're grounded in something if they did no one would it wouldn't make any sense right uh and nobody would be offended that's a thing nobody would be offended by a stereotype that had no that that really was not true at all right you're only offended because it rings true at least a little bit because otherwise it would just be it would be absurd which is why when you get I mean in the movie we go uh there's a a section where we go kind of outside the this bubble and we go down we talk to bikers at a biker bar in the South we talked to the poor black community in New Orleans and um the only reason we did that was just well let's let's find people who are not they probably didn't go to college so they didn't get they didn't get brainwashed there they're not getting the corporate Dei seminars they're not listen they're not reading Robin D'Angelo or any of these people um what do they think about this what are they worried about systemic racism do they see everything as racist all the time and what we found is no they're just not even they they they don't even speak that language when you say the term systemic racism to them they say what do you mean by that what is that well this was something that like like people are always concerned about people being racist but there's something that happened in this country somewhere around 201 12ish where things really really ramped up and it it just became it just became much more of a subject a subject that was like constantly around you know worrying about racial bias and and and it and it ramped up right it ramped up till you get to the point where you do have some of these race Hustlers that are saying everyone's racist you're all you must confront your unconscious bias and we're all and you're just constantly hearing about it it's like I think be and I think you're right that it was around 2012 BLM uh came into formation in 2013 I think that was the Trayvon Martin thing um and it's so it's not a coincidence that it seemed like race relations in this country were improving decade after decade they weren't perfect but it seemed like they were pretty good much better than the 60s yeah the '90s I grew up in the '90s it was not perfect but I grew up in a diverse area I went to public school a lot of people different ethnicities and races we didn't we weren't talking about racism all the time it was basically fine uh and and then something happened in the you know middle part of the you know first decade of the 2000s where it seemed like things started backsliding and that's right right at the time when when uh Barack Obama was elected and that's not a coincidence I think a lot of people have noticed that it's it's odd that we had a black president and then all of a sudden now we're having race riots again and I think the reason is that when you elect a black president I didn't like Obama I didn't vote for him I think his policies are terrible but you would think that at least one positive you could draw from that is that well at least means that systemic racism is not a problem in this country anymore I mean if the if a black guy could rise to the top of the system and run it then clearly the system is not racist against black people uh and in fact was was overwhelmingly voted into that position by Americans which is true so that is evidence that America isn't systemically racist against black people but the race Hustlers don't want us to draw that conclusion they're worried that we'll look at Obama as President and say okay well racism isn't a big issue anymore and that's a problem for them because there's a lot of power money and influence to be found in the racist Nar racism narrative so they had to kind of like double up on their efforts to convince us that America is actually racist which is why during Obama's term that's when we started getting all these race hoaxes and the race riots and BLM uh that's when things like people started talking about microaggressions and all this kind of nonsense because they needed to tell us that yeah you might think uh that this issue is kind of solved now but it's not racism actually is actually worse than you ever imagine it's lurking everywhere and now we're at a point you and then and then not long after that they started tearing down you know confederate Civil War monuments and stuff stuff that's been there for like a hundred years which was always weird because a hundred years ago people could whatever walk by a Rober E Lee monument and not care it wasn't a big deal to them black or white now all of a sudden it's a bigger deal to us than it was to people whose like parents fought you know they they had grandparents who fought in the Civil War or died in the Civil War they were okay with it and yet for us what the wounds of the Civil War are fresher or more raw for us than they were for people a century ago it makes no sense how are we less able to be objective and non-emotional about the Civil War than people who who had family member I mean slave ex-slaves were still living back then um well I think it's because it's just like a religious ideology like when the Taliban started blowing up those ancient statues of Buddhas do you remember that yeah because like they could like they destroyed things that were a part of human history that we would have studied for thousands of years and they destroyed them because they didn't go along with their religious ideology and I think part of the woke thing is this religious ideology that has to be followed and you you cannot stray from the lines you have to stay inside whatever this ideology is promoting and telling you what to do and one of the things was that you had to take down all these statues of terrible people and I remember Trump saying at the time well the problem with that is like eventually they're going to take down George Washington and everybody thought he was crazy like that's a crazy thing to say but once they got past Civil War people then they got to who owned slaves and then they got to taking down they wanted to take down statues of Thomas Jefferson and eventually did get to George Washington yeah and that was always it was always going to go that way because George Washington the founding fathers own slaves not only that but they were Rebels you know rebelling against a governmental Authority and if they had lost then they all would have been uh hanged as traitors and that's how they'd be remembered thankfully they didn't but so there's a is actually there's a there's a it's not that far of a leap to go from from one to the other and of course the issue is that everybody who lived on earth prior to about certainly prior to 100 years ago is racist by our standards today every single one right there was no one who lived on earth 100 years ago who we would not consider racist anywhere of any race um if you go back 200 Years or or earlier than that almost everybody either owned slaves or was okay with slavery as an institution you go back 500 years and there was nobody on the planet who who considered slavery to be wrong fundamentally they might have had issues with how slaves are treated in some context but it took like thousands of years for it to ever even occur to a single human on earth that slavery is actually fundamentally wrong uh which is a crazy thing and that's actually an interesting thing we could you could talk about and and think about like why is that how could it be that it's so obvious to us but the some of the greatest minds of History they never thought of it uh but we can't talk about that because we have to talk about slavery and racism as if they're exclusively white Western phenomena well I've had friends that have a different perspective on the Obama situation and uh my friend Willie was talking to me about this and he was saying that what happened was when you look one thing that we can be sure of is that racists are real there are real racists in this country There's real anti-black racist anti-asian racist there's certain people that have hateful ideology in this country just in certain percentage of them in the world so th those real and when Obama became president those people became more emboldened and he said that he saw a lot more of that online and a lot more attacks and especially in uncensored online forums like forchan and places where you can kind of get away with saying whatever the [�__�] you want he said he saw a lot more of that on the streets and he said this is probably why he believed Michelle Obama didn't want to run for president because she experienced so much of that hate while they're in the White House forget about hate for their their policies and what you think about them as President and Vice and and first lady but the the racism hate so his perspective as a black guy was like you had to be a black person to realize how angry people were that there was a black guy who was president because that was real too it was real that racism in America and racial relations in America had changed radically since the 1960s certainly since the 1920s and 30s and and over the years it's kept getting better but in his mind there was something that happened where when Barack Obama got into the White House that the real hardcore racist got very vocal and he experienced it and I think this is Akin in some ways to what's going on with anti-Semitism online because uh I think there's always been a certain amount of people in this country and in the world that are like deeply anti-semitic and uh they just don't like Jews and and when something happens where all of a sudden now it's okay to criticize Jews because of Israel's position in Gaza and what they've done now you see anti-Semitism just pop out of the woodwork I think there's there's something like that where people feel emboldened to talk about things so like maybe we just don't have an accurate account of how [�__�] up some people are but the general population and whether you're conservative or whether you're liberal everybody kind of agre that racism is a stupid thing there's amazing people of all ethnicities and colors and you should judge people like Martin Luther King said by the content of their character we all agree with that but there's a certain amount of people that are always going to be racist but when you start looking for it everywhere and saying everything is racist first of all you are it's an insult to real racism it's an insult to the people that are the victims of real racism when you consider microaggressions or cutting in line in front of you to get ice cream that's a vict there's people that are real victims of racism and pretending that everything is racist just minimizes that and in fact makes probably makes more people racist it's going to make a bunch of dumb liberals like like drop to their knees or give you money for reparations but it's going to make a bunch of other people really resentful and it just polarizes us and and drives people further and further apart yeah it's just genuinely stupid uh it's a self-fulfilling prophecy and I I think that's that's true um what what he said about I'm sure that when there's a black president that we know there are real racist out there they're anti-black RAC they're anti-white racist but uh they're out there and social media was also really coming online around that time so people had a forum to express this kind of stuff and anonymously anonymously and so yeah those people come out of the woodwork I'm sure that did happen I don't deny that the difference though is that uh that kind of racism is personal and individual it's not systemic it's not in the system right and also it's absolutely rejected uh by Society it's absolutely rejected by polite Society so there's a reason why they had to go to forchan or whatever to express those views because you can't come out in public and say it uh with and if you do it'll be like the end of your whatever your career is it's probably the end of it uh and that's kind of that's the most you're going to when it comes as you said there's never going to be a time when there's no racist in the world so the most you can do is okay we're not going to have this stuff systemically we're GNA the system is going to treat everybody equally great we cross that off the list we've already done that um actually we've gone too far because you got affirmative action where now you're discriminating against white and Asian people but so anti-black racism is out of the system fantastic that's good uh it's not accepted by mainstream syst Society great and then so that's kind of it I mean what else can we do with this uh you can't you can't get inside people's hearts and make them not feel things those people are going to be out there they know that it's not accepted in mainstream society and uh and I I kind of think you you could sort of move on from it culturally to other issues it's not a major issue anymore um but they won't allow it and you're right that then it's got this pendulum thing where okay well if you go after white people and you demonize them relentlessly and you do it practically from birth now through the school system some of those white people are going to end up being stricken by guilt and they're going to walk around feeling like they're guilty for something that's the the white guilt liberal thing but then you're going to have others who uh kind of become exactly what you accuse them of being because they're like oh you know what if you're going to call me racist anyway then you know what fine um and there's going know resentment that builds up and then you actually create more of it which I think they're happy about if if actual racism is increasing in society I don't know if it is or not but I think the people that call themselves anti-racist are quite happy about that well business is booming but the other thing is like think about Robin D'Angelo who you said just lives in her own bubble and really doesn't didn't know who you were and didn't catch on at any point in time that any of this stuff was ridiculous like these people that this if that's all you think about and that's all you like I have friends that uh live in California and every now and then I'll talk to them and some politics issue will come up and they give me this [�__�] CNBC they give me this MSNBC this [�__�] propaganda viewpoint on something that's so wrong just so and I just go okay I I can't like you're you're in your in your bubble there's no there's no real discourse there's no real dis there's no discussions about whether or not what these people are saying is correct it's just you're a part of this tribe and this is what you believe and I think that's the case with these anti-racist people too they might not some of them might be like just hardcore grifters like they could be playing three card money or they could just get corporations to give them money by by saying that everybody's racist there's some people that are definitely like that but there's other people that are just that's their friend group like that their Social Circle their Social Circles all people believe this stupid [�__�] and they all Yap it to each other and they they say it like it's a mantra and they pray five times a day with it you know it's really like a religious thing I think it is like a yeah I think you're exactly right about that I that's that's why for me the more so the grifters that are getting paid that's not that complicated to figure out why they're doing it like they're they're getting paid a lot of them uh a lot of them are and and even when they're not there's P there's still power and influence and they're being cons insulted as kind of these moral gurus which is which is very Strokes the ego 100% that's rewarding for the the the more interesting thing is what about the people who go to those people and consult them as moral gurus I mean in the movie we have this's race to dinner where you got these white women who sit around a table and they invite these other two women Cyra R and Regina Jackson to come to dinner they pay them to come to dinner and call them them racist for two hours and it's like why would you subject yourself to that it's it's so it's seems like the most miserable experience to if volunteer to be broken down and insulted and degraded which is what happened to these women I mean I saw it they were like two hours of them just getting you're racist you're racist you're racist they had to go around the table confess their racist sins uh and then they all they each go and they say what their racist sin like what's a racist thing you've done recently they all confess and I'm listening to it it's like none of you have actually done anything racist listen to all your stories none of that is racist there's a there's a woman who said that uh she's married to a black guy and she yeah he's loud and she tells him to quiet down sometimes what wife has not said that to their husband so uh exactly what I get that once a month right so what do they I think my wife is racist she she could be she could be she's racist at yeah yeah she's sexist against me uh so what are they why what are they getting out of it well they're getting out of it first of all they're terrified of being called racists so they jumped the gun so they they they headed off at the path like I'm going to make sure I'm not racist so I'm going to become an anti-racist you know I talked about this before but when my kids were young like um uh my youngest was pretty young when um they started doing this anti-racism thing at the school where they said uh it's not enough to be not ra this is actually right after we left so it's right after like the Geor Floyd things popped off they said it's not good enough to not be racist you have to be anti-racist yeah you're talking about some of these kids in that school are six like what are you saying it's not enough what are you saying you saying a six-year-old has to be an anti-racist can't they just play with their toys can't they just go to the park and hang out with their friends can't they just play sports can't they just enjoy each other's six-year-olds don't give a [�__�] what color somebody is they don't they all just play together they just want to play with the people who are nice to them and who they have fun with and laugh with and here you've got some [�__�] grifter who latches themselves onto some school system that's filled with all these terrified liberals that are just terrified of being called out for anything and they all the rules are changing and everybody's like and so they bend the knee they bend the knee and it's with kids it's so Insidious because yeah kids don't care about race uh they notice it though which is fine but then you you you give them like this complex from such a young age which is so unnecessary and that's why I mean I remember when my oldest daughter was five we were at the mall or something and uh a black family walked by and she like pointed at them and said uh why do PE why do why do why are people black like how do why is their skin like that she wanted to know what why why why do skin why does skin color exist like what why how do some people have different skin color than other people and uh and of course you know I told her well it's like to be polite we don't point at people in public so I told her that but then we talked about it it's not it's okay to wonder that it's okay to notice that I think with these anti-racist people I you know if I was listening to them I should have like this was this would have been an opportunity for me to give a whole lecture about racism and make her feel really bad for noticing that and asking about it yeah um and then you create this complex and yeah fast forward 20 years and she's one of these women at a race to dinner exactly it's it's awful but it's very it's a very potent thing I mean white guilt the fear of being called racist for it's hard for me to understand because you know I get called racist all the time 50 50, times a day and it it just rolls off my back I don't care because it's just it's doesn't mean anything anymore it doesn't mean anything but for you and I it doesn't mean anything but for a lot of normal people especially it's a death sentence right to be called that it's like the worst thing in the world yeah they're terrified of it uh they'd rather they'd literally rather be called anything than racist yeah um and then so for them once you those kinds of people when that's the threat when being called racist is a threat you can get them to do anything and um we've I mean I don't spoilers or whatever but the in the movie The the last thing in the movie when I do my own anti-racist workshop with these people and they're all real people and we we get them to join in on some things that are really like morally repugnant uh because they they're terrified of being called racist publicly they they can't stand that thought and the other thing that happens with kids is if you have a thing like you're telling the kid they have to be anti-racist well some kids are going to use that as a platform to increase you know what whatever social credit that they have and they get feedback from it it's positive feedback and they they they get very vocal and the more vocal the more people are impressed and the more work they do the more people going you're doing great work and then you get what's essentially like the racial version of Greta thurberg like what what is that lady that lady's moral outrage at what have you done how dare you and everybody's like yes we like what you just did and so now you do it all all the time and so now somehow or another a 16-year-old kid travels all over the world telling everybody they're bad flying around in Jets telling everybody they're bad for ruining the environment like and she gets to feel morally Superior morally Superior virtuous and for a child to be in a position where they become virtuous is you know they love that they love that to be in a position where they can lecture adults yes adults are looking to them as as authorities yes um college kids love to do that the moment they're out of their house the moment they don't have their parents telling them what to do anymore now they can tell other people what to do and it's just like it's one thing that you see online from people who have been bullied in the past um people that have been picked on and [�__�] with boy they like to do it to people like online on Twitter mobs they like to jump in and I know a lot of people that have that I've known a lot of people that have engaged in these things I known them personally these feeble weak terrified men and they say the most heinous things about people like uncharitable not knowing like what what kind of response these words are going to have in that person and they they bully these people because they've been hurt you know it's that hurt people hurt people thing that's what it is but they don't think it's a violent they don't think it's as bad as bullying like in real real life bullying is terrible you're going to hit somebody how dare you you [�__�] monster well you're emotionally scarring people online every day and you think you're doing it through this when it's like one of the things elon's talked about this that one of the things that woke does it allows really mean people this ideology allows really mean shitty people to have a a virtuous way of expressing that yeah I think that's that's right and and also the internet I mean the whole idea that the Internet isn't real we hear it all the time that's why I hate it when people say well Twitter isn't real life but and I understand what's meant by that when people say that but it actually is real life because these are these are human beings who are communicating with each other now there are Bots too but if you're a human being on Twitter saying something that's real life it's not it's not fake this isn't happening in some kind of dream world right um so but then people think that well okay if I just say this on Twitter I put it put in a YouTube comment section and it's this heinous awful thing it doesn't count doesn't mean I'm a bad person cuz it's not real life which is like that's like writing on a loosely paper calling someone a piece of [�__�] and handing it to them and then they get mad at you and you say hey man it's the paper it's not real life like it just it just happened on the paper it's a it's a it's a method for communicating and uh and so I think people have been condition that in this world it's like a moral exception so you can do and say whatever you want and you don't have to feel bad about it right and then it turns people into sociopaths after a while I think I think it does too and I also think it ramps up anxiety in a huge way for the people that are actually engaging in it you know the people that actually do it I think they're just fully anxious all day long and I think it's terrible for mental health even if you're like quote unquote winning these verbal battles online that you're engaging in I think it's terrible for everybody it's really terrible for the people that are just like all day long negative like there's and arguing with people like why do you want that in your life that's that's a very unusual position to be in where all day long you're in Conflict that's only war in the real world world most of the day there's no conflict that's why conflict is so uncomfortable because it's so unusual yeah if you're used to conflict with people all the time and you see some guy and he's like [�__�] you no [�__�] you but if you're not used to someone saying [�__�] you and then all a sudden hey [�__�] you you're like what like you're terrified you're freaked out like what's going on oh my God this is conflict the kind of conflict verbal conflict that people engage in online all day long has the same sort of effects on your psyche you are perceiving the world to be this this is one of the things it's so polarizing about this particular election right that people are willing to accept propaganda because it feeds into their view of the world which is that they're engaged in this moral battle good versus evil and both sides think they're good and both sides think the other side is going to be the end of the world and it's accentuated heavily by mentally ill people that are on Twitter all day long yeah I'm one of them so uh you seem fine uh but I I mean I I am guilty of some of this I do I'm on it way too much first of all that I but then I have my excuse which is as part of my job it's part of your job uh I do often think if I didn't do this for a living at all I I don't think I'd be on any of this stuff I think I'd be off everything yeah if I was not a quote unquote public figure I would be off everything cuz I have I don't know if you have a pro if I go on vacation or something and I'm and I'm taking time I have no issue putting it down I don't I have no comp ion to look at it in fact I have to when I come off vacation it it's effort to get back it's like okay I got to get back into this again it takes me a couple days then after a couple days now it's a compulsion again but right I have to I have to reignite this weird compulsion to constantly look at my phone I I have a problem too and that I'm a comedian and that I'm also a gold miner right so what that means is when I'm going through my news feed my newsfeed is the thing I'm the most addicted to I'm mining for gold like what's going on here what they do they did what they [�__�] what and I I need those those are really important to me cuz like those can be my next hour of standup those can be they they're chunks every and it's not every day it's like I can go through 30 days of nonsense and just not one thing but every now and then there's a chunk of gold in there I'm like oh I got one and then I put that in my notes and I justify endless scrolling to get to those gold nuggets but if you didn't do any of this for a living if you just worked at Lowe's or something and you know do you think you'd still be the problem is I'd still be me and I still have this really intense curiosity I'm I'm really curious about all kinds of things there's so many subjects I'm really really interested in I mean I would I would for sure still be paying attention to you know science issues and space travel and you know new discoveries and the universe and there's a bunch of stuff that I would just be ancient history ancient civilizations I would be there's no way I would not be fascinated by them because they almost have nothing to do with my job yeah I think I I think I would be the same but I I don't think I'd feel the need to I would like to absorb all that interesting information but I wouldn't feel the need to say hey World here's what I think about this right I would just absorb it the problem is if you do and you do it just once and then you get feedback and then people say hey I really liked what you posted like oh great and then and then all of a sudden you're connected and then you're like looking for this feedback so you're trying to post things to get likes and you're trying to post things to get reposts and get comments and you're engaging in the comments and now now it's now you're [�__�] now you're locked into this weird ecosystem with these people you don't even know they might be all stupid they might be all you know really annoying people that you would avoid in real life like if you work with them you're like oh there's Tom let me get the [�__�] out of here and you go to the other side of the office but now you're engaging with them people that you avoid having conversations with you are now like in Mortal Combat with words on Twitter and it's [�__�] stupid and not only that but their engagement with you is is cheap it's uh they don't care that much so even if someone gives you positive feedback and they say oh that was a great tweet they've forgotten about it two seconds later right you're just they're just scrolling you're just the latest thing they saw and then they're scrolling and they've already forgotten about it they don't care if they cuss you out because they're mad at you same deal they forgot about it two seconds later so yeah I guess it could be kind of intoxic intoxicating to get the engagement but then it doesn't matter and that's one of the that's one of the things that makes it so so toxic is how sort of like nihilistic all is that's why this was this never was an issue before but now I feel like when I go on social media uh I'm constantly seeing these horrific videos of people dying like snuff films MH are all over uh social media now and it feels like a relatively recent development and that's really horrible what it does I don't even think we quite understand what it's doing to our minds I actually think we are are all traumatized from it and I I don't use the word trauma Loosely but what's what's traumatizing is not only are you seeing somebody die but it's a context it's like you see this horrible video of someone just got shot and then you keep scrolling and a second later you're reading something about whatever you know a celebrity news or you're watching a cat video right so it's like this it's this horrific human thing that happened but for you it's just content you absorb it that way um and I don't know after a while of just absorbing human suffering in this in this way it's got to mess with your mind of course it does I mean you're the product of what you take in even if that information is like low impact it's not the same impact as being there when the Hitmen show up and gun the guys down in front of the cafe like I've seen these videos where it's just mass shootings this one video I saw the other day of some gang violent situation these guys drove by gunned these guys down and then the guys started shooting back and they were all shot while they're shooting back and then the car backs up and then they gunned them down more [�__�] but it's not the same as being there if you were there that would haunt you for the rest of your life if you were across the street and you watch that happen you watch these people die it would haunt you for the rest of your life but it just you get a little blip instead of getting 100% dose you get like a little 1% dose little 1% dose and you get them all day long and by the end of the day you're just like what the [�__�] is the world yeah but it that's the thing it kind of should haunt you for the rest of your life right it's a horrible thing to see but it's like Twitter in that it's not a full experience like the full exp like if you were having the kind of exchanges that some people have with each other where they're just ruthlessly insulting and shitty to people if you having those in person there's a high probability that that's going to lead to violence actual violence like if two men are in a room and one man starts insulting this other person like really like viciously and and talking about their life and their family and all kinds of crazy [�__�] that people do online there's a probability it's more than 0% that this is going to result in violence but there's zero possibility of it online it's just it's just free it's a free shot and that's a part of the problem as well is that it's not a real human interaction so you're getting like these little doses of shittiness from people but you're not getting this one burst where you and this guy are about to throw down because he's like he's it's insulting you to the point where like this person is actually dangerous like this is actually this person hates me like this could be a real bad situation here and I think much like that exists on Twitter where you have these little shitty interactions it's like 1% of real hate and it just adds up over time that's the same thing as seeing violence seeing all these executions seeing all these botched robberies seeing all these people that get murdered in some you know third world country you you just get a little little tiny piece of it all the time and it's it normalizes it it's probably really really bad for us do you uh do you pay attention to what people say about you online do you no you never do you never search for Joe Rogan and nope never nope shouldn't do it yeah it's not good for you yeah I'll admit that I've done it on occasion it's just it's just it's nothing but if you want to just destroy your your self image you could you could do it pretty quickly well that's what they want that's what people want to do when they say things like that like this is my opinion and you know a lot of it is like really out of line like a lot of it is just like the worst possible like I said before like the least charitable takes the least nuanced the this ridiculous caricature of a human being just to try to just to try to demonize them to make yourself look virtually or virtuously Superior it's just dumb it's a dumb way for people to communicate and the kind of people that do it they're all losers there's no like really exceptional Fascinating People that engage in that kind of stuff well the thing that gets me I don't mind when people insult me I I don't care uh I'm used to it it's the lies like when I see something about myself that's just a straight up lie totally made up and then it picks up traction and people are sometimes it could be you know even someone photoshopping a tweet that I never said whatever anything uh that stuff still still like bothers me and it and and I try to tell myself it shouldn't bother me but at the same time it should it's like it's normal for a person to be bothered when you're when you're being lied about right and other people are believing a lie I think it's a normal human reaction that I'm like I don't want that's not fair it's not true you know you could attack me for things that I really have said and done but that's you can't do that that's not true um but then at a certain point you just have to sort of give into it and realize this is the way the internet works I guess but well it's also who knows who's doing it and at this point in time we have to accept the reality of propaganda and that there you know we've talked about this ad nauseum but I'll say it again there was a an FBI former analyst did um some sort of a study on Twitter where he was estimating the amount of bots versus this is like right around the time when Elon was saying that it's more than 5% he said he thinks it's about 80% he thinks 80% of the accounts yeah 80% of the accounts are F accounts which just stop and think about if you're in a country okay let's imagine you want the politics of America to swing in a certain direction because we most certainly do this in other countries I mean we don't have to educate people on the long history of interventionalist foreign policy where we have gone in and installed new leaders of countries and organized all kinds of [�__�] so we do it and we do it and we know they do it but isn't it like the cheapest way to do it wouldn't it be to do it on social media and if you did it why would you do it like one account why wouldn't you have a million accounts I would have a million accounts like you just got to get a computer that keeps making new accounts and you run a program it's not the most difficult thing to do for people that know how to actually code operating systems you don't think there's someone out there that can code a computer program that can operate millions of different Twitter accounts and you run it through some sort of uh AI that you've developed some large language model on things to say about Maga or things to say about abortion or things to say about conservatives or things to say about liberals and you put a [�__�] American flag in your little bio or you put a pronoun thing he her Zer whatever it is and then you just flood the internet with fake anger and fake discourse and you lie about people and you anytime there's a post about anything controversial you insert something in there that gets people even more riled up you could get people you could swing the vote you could swing the vote in one way or another especially with fence sitters with people that are not sure like I don't know is Trump really the answer and then you get online and you see all this hateful [�__�] or you might get on a Maga forum and you go oh the there are they are eating cats he was telling the truth ABC's biased and you could swing it one way or the other and I think they're all trying to manipulate it all these foreign governments and I think internally in the United States I'm sure there are group grp that are doing it too that are manipulating things in one way or the other in a disingenuous way because it's available and I don't know how to stop it I think the only way for you to not personally be really affected by it is you have to understand that it exists and then you have to recognize that you know some of these takes are not even real human beings so instead of saying Jesus Christ people really think that way go maybe not like maybe this isn't maybe there's a few people that think that way but but you're being led to believe that it's a huge movement of people and it might not be but the problem is when it even if it's fake people are so stupid that even if it's a fake thing that becomes a bit of a movement online with fake dumb people will jump in there and then it'll become a real thing yeah like you aware of uh the uh the free bleeding movement that forchan pushed yeah I think I heard of that but it became kind of real didn't it it became real that's what saying or Flat Earth is the same thing it became a joke if people were [�__�] around at first we've known the Earth has not been flat for a long ass time and then but now that's totally real I right now it's totally real now there's massive groups of people that think the Earth is flat which isn't I I can't I can't I don't know how that yeah yeah you can't but the thing is that's how dumb people are that you could have a fake thing and say it enough times and enough people will jump in and be on board with it and then it becomes a real thing and then you don't even have to like use propaganda anymore these morons are doing it for you the thing that gets me about the Flat Earth thing is uh CU I didn't realize that it was a real thing until I don't know a few years ago I did I wrote I posted something about it and all these comments from from real people that uh that that what gets me is well you have the people that say yeah I think the Earth's flat and that's ins you're just really stupid but what I I was more fascinated by the like 80% of people who 80% of the of the Flat Earth crowd 80% of them their take was well I I'm not I'm not saying the Earth is flat but I'm I'm open to it so I'm open to the possibility how are I get it if you're just completely stupid and you got sucked into this cult thing but what I don't get is how can you be how can you be on the fence about whether about the shape of the earth well it's just people that really are not educated that's that's number one and people that believe that 's a collusion that's so large that all of the space agencies from Japan from China from Russia all of them are liars that all of them are colluding together to hide the true shape of the Earth because if we really knew the Earth is flat then we would it would it always is connected to some sort of a Bible thing like it's the firmament and they believe that that we're we're hiding the fact that God is real and somehow there's some mask conspiracy that all these World governments and every person that ever was involved in the space agencies they've all hid from us yeah but and the you're moonlanding you're not a you believe in the moonlanding right I used to believe in the moonlanding you don't anymore I I had a joke in my ACT about it that before Co I would have told you vaccin is the most important invention in human history and after Co I'm like I don't think we went to the moon yeah I know that was in your but you actually think that I think there is a less than zero possibility that we do not go to the Moon oh my gosh I I know why do you think we went to the moon because it's exactly what you just said about well there's a lot of reasons but the main thing is what you just said about the Earth the the the vastness of the conspiracy that would be required to fake that it's so vast that it's just it's it's a lot more incredible to believe that we faked it than to believe that we just went and going to the Moon don't get it's a ma massive achievement um but I I think the greatest human achievement of all time but even so to fake it would he be even more massive uh because not only would you need all of these the space agencies and all the different whatever people in American institutions to be colluding but You' also need foreign governments including adversarial foreign governments who at this point certainly would know we faked it and for some reason haven't blown the lid on it so they're they're letting us like take this achievement that they know like why haven't the Russians come out and said all those things you're saying are true I I don't I don't argue with any of the things saying but one of the things that I think you have to consider was if it's not possible for human beings to safely go through the Van Allen radiation belts and out into deep space without much protection and face the temperatures that are on the surface of the Moon which get up to 250� and 250 Dees below zero in in the shadows it's a there's no environment there it's hostile beyond belief microm meteorites are flying into the moon all the time they're flying through space all the time we've never had a single biological organism go out into deep space pass the Van Allen radiation belts and then come back to earth and come back alive except human beings during the Apollo missions every single Space Station Mission every single space shuttle mission all of them are inside 350 mil from the Earth's surface the only time human beings have ever been past that and through the Van Allen radiation belts was the Apollo missions and we were the only humans that were ever able to do that the Russians never figured out how to do it no one else figured out how to do it but the Apollo Astronauts and we did it seven times six successfully from 1969 to 1972 if you told if you said to me do you think that they could fake the moon landing today I would say no I would say no no no no people are going to be able to track it they're it's very easy they have satellites they're they're going to know everything but in 1969 the technology was so crude that the F when they first showed the Apollo 11 Landing they didn't even show a direct feed to the networks so like if you're on CBS News you don't get a direct feed what you do is you point a camera at a projection screen so that's why the the film looks so shitty the camera is pointed to a projection screen where you see the astronauts jumping around on the moon and you see this weird grainy Third Generation image right and we we did it and we have never done it since and we've always said we're going to do it and no one's ever even come close no one's ever even gone into deep space since 1972 we also haven't been trying we haven't been trying but we always talk about going back including Herbert Walker Bush talked about going back uh George W talked about going back they they all talk about going back but nobody ever gets anywhere well I think that's because we lost the the Spirit uh and hunger for discovery which we didn't just lose that we lost all the technology from the Saturn 5 rocket they even have that anymore in fact they don't even have the original film they they erased all the original footage of the Apollo missions so you just have copies of everything you could develop the technology again you can do all that sure you could if you can get through the Van Allen radiation belts into deep space with human beings and have them safely come back but I I think what you're describing to me it all that does is highlight how incredible the achievement if they did it right if they did it but there's but I don't well here's the main point I there's no there's no evidence because saying that it was a hoax is an assertion of a it's not it's not you're not just denying an event you're you're asserting a whole other event that you say happened instead and there is evidence that we went to the moon now now someone who's a skeptic might say it's not enough evidence or it's not good evidence there's like evidence there's I witnessed there's people that went and came back and told us there's uh there's footage there's a lot there is evidence but there's no evidence of the hoax like no one has come and said here's my affirmative evidence that this hoax happened it's never happened as far as I'm aware no no one's ever provided that evidence I I see what you're trying to say um the the evidence that they went to the moon there's a bunch right there's moon rocks that's one there's a lunar reflectors that they placed on the moon that's another um and there's a couple problems with those first of all the Soviets put uh so the laser reflectors on the moon as well um and also the moon itself in many places where you shine lasers on it they bounces back by itself the reflective quality of the Moon the reason why the Moon is so bright and white in the sky when the Sun hits it there's a certain amount of you you get a certain amount of bounceback off of different things with lasers um there's some photographs that are interesting what was it was the India what was the one where they got the most high resolution photos of the Lander going to add a Wikipedia right now of all third party evidence of the Apollo mission one of the things that's interesting is they gave a moon rock to um was it a prime minister of Holland is that what it was which one was the moon rock they gave that turned out to be petrified wood so the Apollo Astronauts gave a moon rock to uh some foreign dignitary and it turned out to be a piece of petrified wood um they do have samples of moon rocks that came from the moon but we also have have those on Earth in fact Warner Von braa in 1968 I believe went to Antarctica there's all these photographs of him in Antarctica Antarctica is a great place to take moon rocks because uh Antarctica is just just gigantic sheet of white and you can spot the meteorites in the ground so this is the photo and this is from what what is this from what is the um so this is an Indi yeah India Indian space research organizations I don't know how to say that word Shen Chandra Yan 2 Orbiter captured images of NASA's Apollo 11 and 12 Landing sites and lunar modules from 100 kilometer altitude Paul 12 image astronaut boots tracks are still even visible due to the recent interest in another post I shared decided to download of view the raw imagery so that looks like there's some kind of thing on the moon it's pretty good evidence it is evidence that something's on the moon it's not evidence that human beings went to the moon see we have things that are on the moon we have things on Mars right now we have things that were we we' shot things into space for sure yeah but it's evidence it's not proof in of itself but it is evidence listen I'm not saying we didn't go to the moon what I'm saying is the subject is complex and it's not even a little complex it's really complex there's a documentary called A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the moon this guy Bart cell he's been obset he was a GU on the show too been obsessed about this his whole life and absolutely believes that we never went to the moon and there 's enough [�__�] that you go okay if he's right about any of these things it's weird one of the things was some of the photographs of the Moon they ran through a one of those um AI detectors that can tell you whether or not something's false or artificially generated and it showed different images from I think it was a Chinese satellite of the Moon they said this is legitimate but then it got to these Apollo images and they said these' been doctored this AI deci this AI program that all the images or a few of them few of them but then other ones were found to be authentic I don't think so I think they only ran a few images through see if you can find those Jamie find what they did again this is not saying that we didn't go to the Moon it could be and this was a fact with the Gemini 15 program where Michael Collins there was a photograph of Michael Collins that they took in one of his um one of his training exercises where he had uh you know those those packs that they put on where they can move around while they're doing moon walk or not moonwalk space walks outside of a where they're connected by a tether and he was like in this harness and manipulating this device and what they had done is taken a photograph of him training and then someone probably some overzealous PR person had taken that photograph and then blacked out the background and P tried to pass it off as a really clear photograph of him out there on a spacewalk which is probably very difficult to get right you'd have to have another person in the camera frame it right they had this photo they're like look he did it let's just pass this off as the real thing which is you know you're also talking about the Nixie Administration where they were just full of [�__�] constantly if you remember this is where he tried to CL it was from which is a Russian video yeah so there's different video where they they ran it through and they said it was real and it was the was it the Chinese program but when they ran the American ones the American images they said that they were doctored again it doesn't mean that we didn't go to the moon but it does mean okay there's that that's weird have you ever seen the Apollo 11 postflight press conference yeah it looks like a hostage video looks like a bunch of guys who don't want to be there they look real [�__�] nervous and they look real deceptive and if you watch that video it's weird well but I think that's just that's the temperament it requires to do something like that it's basically it's almost suicidal to go to the uh and so you have to be like not barely even a human psychologically to do it so I don't so that to me is just like and they just went through this whole experience who knows what that does to the human psyche um to even just like be in the vastness of space even on the space station I can't I feel like that would change me as a person not necessarily for the best well there's actually like a psychological condition that they talk about this sort of understanding that we're all connected that a lot it's like a kind do a religious experience that many astronauts get when they go up to the space station and look down at the Earth and go oh my God what are we doing like we're all together in this thing and we're so alone in the universe and for us to be fighting over these trivial differences and these stupid lines in the dirt that we draw when we are like just clinging to this ball in the middle of everything so what so then what would you say or someone who is a a full-on Believer fullon believer someone who is a full-on believer in the moon hooks what would they say to my other point that there is evidence we went to the moon you can try to nitpick the evidence there is zero evidence of a hoax because that's a whole other event that would have had to have happened there is no evidence at all not one sliver of evidence ever of that hoax having ever happened but I think that's a weird way to frame it right is there evidence of a hoax of the JFK assassination that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone do you think there's evidence well but but the the event itself being that J JFK was killed but right but that's not the conspiracy so the the conspiracy is did he act alone and is there evidence that he didn't act alone what do you think uh I'm I'm very skeptical that he acted alone yeah right but I don't know I don't know exactly what happened nobody does exactly same exact perspective same exact perspective about this Moon thing like it it may have happened but this was a time of deep deception in in the American World this is the time after operation Northwoods this is a time after the Kennedy assassination this is a time I mean this is a weird [�__�] shaky time in terms of propaganda this is after Eisen Howard warned about the military industrial complex this is like there was a lot of deception Gul of tonan incident there's a lot of open deception that the American people were being subject to and then there's this cold war between us and Russia this this space War for superiority there was we wanted it so bad we brought in Nazis but I still but I I mean the the JFK is a interesting example but uh because yes there are things that I'm skeptical of that are claimed that I don't really have evidence that the thing didn't happen or that it didn't happen the way the