Joe Rogan Experience #2101 - Bret Weinstein

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day very funny text you sent me the other day you said I hope we have something to talk about well you know the fact is the world's gotten kind of calm so I was hoping uh I looked out the window of the Hotel this morning uh thinking the weather might help us no boring this can be it's beautiful birds chirping while who knows what lies in the Horizon um I did not watch the Super Bowl but I got a ton of messages from people that watch it they're like what the [ __ ] is going on like the Super Bowl was some gigantic propaganda Camp campaign and there's fizer ads and weird woke commercials and it was it was bizarre I I did watch it you know I had nothing else to do and I probably wouldn't have watched it otherwise but but I did watch it and it was like some running inside joke you had to know who these people were in order to even just be with the flow I mean obviously the game is what it is but all of the stuff surrounding it was like you're either embedded in this culture or it's kind of a head scratcher I did not see any of it so I don't I wasn't watching the Super Bowl last night I was busy so I don't know what happened uh well let's put it this way I'm not a football offici andado by any stretch but it was a pretty exciting game I mean it came down to the last seconds of overtime and uh you know it was a hell of a comeback so there are a ton of conspiracies about the way it was officiated and that there the fix was in with Travis Kelce being sponsored by fizer and Taylor Swift and Taylor Swift's music catalog being owned by some Mega corporation that has Shady ties well I have to say I was watching it and I you know I didn't have a dog in the fight I wasn't really rooting for either team I was just trying to get the sense of uh you know what what the game was like um but I did find myself in the end rooting against Taylor Swift this is uh the Biden thing that they posted after his bedtime just like we drew it up and it's Biden with these you know red robot eyes why would they do that why just why would they make that like that just that alone like what are you saying like what are you doing like imagine that's theid in the United States just I want you imagine Ronald Reagan if if social media was alive posting a photograph like that or Bill Clinton well I mean I do know what they're doing right this is they they have a very weak meme game but they do have moments when they show some kind of spark in this regard and I detested it I think they have an obligation to be above this stuff and to not troll but you know in a world where Trump is a political force they're trying to uh you know they're trying to build a a game in the same Arena and they're they're going to get crushed but um but that's why they did it you know and obviously it's it's the machine that did it it's kind of amazing that the left can't meme CU they're really bad at it because they're denying so many truths like in order to adhere to the ideology you have to be so so rigid in what you accept as truth and there's so many things that just don't jive with that that you can't really meme well when you're doing that like what memes are is pointing things out and exaggerating them in a way where people kind of know that this is the case and then you make a Preposterous image and everybody laughs but the left can't really do that because a lot of those memes are very offensive and funny well I I think it has it's actually a window into not really the left I mean as you know I don't I I feel myself of the left but I don't relate to these people at all or nor do I something weird happened and we got kicked out yeah it got taken over by something diabolical and you know what you're pointing to it's the same thing it has no sense of humor right right they laugh but they have no sense of humor they have no no uh ability to juxtapose things so that you suddenly see something in the way something you know a funny joke Works they can't meme because they're not really you know this is some corrupt cabal behind the scenes that arranges a set of uh you know policies that aren't coherent together because they're about something that's never been discussed with us and so it's not unnatural for you know you can't really build a culture around it because it's incoherent to begin with so they just they have know they they're bad at humor memes is a special kind of humor that has you know Arisen online and the rules of it actually I wanted to talk to you about this the rules of it are different from normal humor I was trying to phrase something on Twitter today to make it funny and I was realizing the difference between a tweet and you know what I've seen you do in your Club right where in your Club you can actually structure a joke that isn't funny until four lines in right because your audience isn't going anywhere right on Twitter you need to keep them on board with the Tweet so they don't scroll to the next one right so there has to be some juice in the beginning in order to get to the punchline but the you know anyway I'd be curious what you think about what the different rules are for humor in the different contexts but even just the structural differences is profound online well one of the best examples of how the tide has changed is the Babylon B out onions the onion the onion is essentially dormant the onion was like the dominant force of satire forever and they were so good they were so good and then something happened where there's like places they can't go it's like a runner being limited to like a certain amount of miles per hour when that M the the the the speed that you're limited to cannot compete with the best Runners I think it's actually a manifestation of some of a larger pattern that you can see very clearly when it's a bad humor and satire and you don't see it as clearly elsewhere but when the onion was funny it was a political force and so it had to be targeted by things that it would have opposed right by things that it would have mocked and and revealed and so the fact that it's been neutered makes perfect sense if you imagine whoever it is that was galled by being revealed by The Onion it doesn't make sense if you imagine that the onion is in some competitive environment where it's trying to win market share by being hilarious right why would you take a hot property like the onion and ruin it well the question is are you trying to accomplish something political by getting rid of um a a powerful force a force of ridicule or are you trying to compete economically and we see this in lots of places why would social media platforms Embrace censorship right everybody wants to be in a social media in environment that's Lively it doesn't want one that's heavily constrained and yet these wouldbe competitors are behaving they're colluding effectively to shut out messages that lots of people want to hear do you think that that's because they're worried about government intervention and some sort of repercussions for not adhering to whatever guidelines the government wants you to do I mean this clearly seems to be the case when you look at like the Twitter files the Twitter files which has gotten almost no press in the mainstream Media or I should say the corporate controlled media but has been extensively covered by independent journalists because it's so shocking because you're seeing the government actively campaign to get actual information removed from Twitter because it's inconvenient and most of the social media campaigns most of the social media programs whe whether it's uh the the companies whether it's Facebook or Instagram or most of them have comply to a certain extent you know at least limited the reach of certain things like there was one that Tucker did famously on covid and um the whatever government organization that was contacting them I think it was the FBI was trying to get them to take it down and they wouldn't take it down but they limited the reach substantially by like 50% but they they had ruled that they cannot take it down because it factual and so there was no it's not like this was misinformation so then it falls into this weird category that we've just recently heard it's recently enter the zis which is Mal information Mal information is factual information that could be used in a damaging way I know Heather and I have been screaming about this one since the day that memo emerged wild like what the hell you're actually going to put that on paper yeah right it's wild but I think the answer to your question is we in the public are under the misapprehension that the game is about money and the reason that we're under that misapprehension is that traditionally money has been a pretty good proxy for power and what's happened is the game is still very much about power and control but money doesn't mean what we thought it did in what way well a I think we're being set up that you know your ability to store wealth in money is dependent on rational policy right if somebody is going to print money in order to get themsel out of a crisis then they're robbing you without ever gaining access to your bank account so the value of what you've stored is under somebody else's control now if you imagine that the Power Players understand this game that they know that the way I would put it is is this money has two values one is as a means of exchange can you buy stuff with it and money still works the way it always did from that perspective the other is can you store your wealth there and at least with respect to dollar it used to be the case that you could store your wealth in dollars but the power players are aware that dollars aren't going to continue to mean what they have traditionally meant and presumably they have other strategies for storing wealth in ways that they're going to be able to recover it after whatever happens um I would recommend people I hope I have the title there's a book called The Great taking written by a uh an elite Wall Street Insider who reveals certain changes that have um been introduced into the law that most of us are unaware of so for example there's a change in which you think you own a stock in the way that people used to own stocks but stocks used to actually have a physical manifestation you had a sheet of paper that you would put in in your safe and what has happened is you now own a stock and you can cash out anytime you like the way you always could but if the entity the underlying entity goes bankrupt then you don't actually own the stock you actually own an IOU which can be valueless and we don't know this in the public we think we're trading stocks the way we always did um but but what has happened is something that had a physical manifestation in which you could have a battle in a court about who owns this piece of paper is now not about a a piece of paper it's about a right and that right has a an Arcane structure that most of us are unaware of so the question is at some point do things that you are that you think you own do rules get revealed to you that tells you you don't actually own those things anymore um and that you know your your financial position is therefore not the one that you thought you were in hm so what do you think this strategy is about like what do what do you think power power in control but do you think that this is the the devaluation of money what is what's the end purpose of the devaluation of money well I so is it Central Bank digital currency that is a mechanism for the ultimate purpose which is power and control and I should should point out that in the way I think about things I take that as an assumption I'm not arguing that as a conclusion although I do think you can discover that that is the pattern by looking at all of the evidence about what the the rent-seeking elites care about and don't care about but I would say it is a comparatively safe assumption that it is about control and power because it's always been about that in fact evolution arily that's really why creatures look the way they do right even you know if you take a human being for example you're composed of something like 30 trillion cells of 200 different kinds all of those cells contain the same information but they all agree to act differently because it's in their interest to not go Rogue right they could all independently try to reproduce like single- celled organisms but if they agree to collaborate they surrender a lot of capability to reproduce you know 30 trillion cells can produce a lot of Offspring cells what they get is an increased amount of control over their environment so that's what evolution is doing by organizing things in the way it is its purpose is to put your genes as far into the future as it can Lodge them but power and control is is the game The evolutionary game that is being played and humans play it differently and you know we go from being a highly adaptable somewhat technological creature you know our Stone Age ancestors were technological in the sense that they could FL Flint naap a weapon um or a tool but not highly technological but nonetheless the game has persisted as we have become organized into larger and larger social entities into societies and it hasn't fundamentally changed now so what these Elites are doing is they are attempting to gain control to consolidate it and to arrange to protect it into a future which they see as increasingly chaotic and dangerous as the people of Earth become aware that they have no plan for the future that most of us have nothing meaningful to do with our lives that even the systems that feed us and sustain us energetically are built on rickety premises they know that there's a reckoning coming and so they're preparing for it and you know what you saw at the Super Bowl or didn't see but might have is the distraction right the stuff that we are fed so that we'll think about things that other than our long-term prospects in light of uh Elites who frankly don't give a [ __ ] about us have you seen what happened in uh Europe with the farmers I've been watching that yes yeah it seems like they at least temporarily have won they have won but let's explain what we're talking about all right well maybe you should explain what you've seen I've watched massive protests of farmers who are increasingly um angry and organized about regulations that make um farming increasingly difficult unproductive and unprofitable if I was a conspirator minded person what I would say is what they're trying to do is take over these farms and the best way to do that is to enact legislation and rules that limit their profitable well first of all Farms are always very difficult to run they're very difficult to maintain profitability they're the they're they struggle and it's a terrible shame that the people that provide us the thing that we need to survive ultimately food that we've done something to these people to make it more difficult for them to do it while it's already insanely difficult it requires incredible hours in incredibly difficult highly stressful there's so many moving Pieces Just to provide food for all these people and they started enacting legislation to limit the amount of fertilizer they're allowed to use to limit the amount of animals they have I know in Ireland they they proposed something where they want to kill a certain amount of uh the cows because they're saying that the cows produce methane it's [ __ ] insane it's not scientific it's not something voted on it's not something agreed upon by scientists biologists certainly not uh debated uh when you're talking about regenerative farming practices like people that have provided significant options for farming the way like whatever the issue that they have where they can actually sequester carbon in the soil and make these Farms carbon neutral it's been demonstrated it's not Theory it's been done in America polyphase Farms White Oaks pastures are two great examples of that but there's many regenerative Farms can be done and for whatever reason they have decided to enact these harsh limitations on these Farmers abilities to provide food for people cynically when I look at something like that I'm like I think what they would do is do that [ __ ] the farmers's ability to make money the Farms go under they take over they control the food supply right and you I hear you uh working over time not to see what's in front of you and I I agree we all have I'm just being fair I'm I'm just making it as I'm I'm trying to steal man it as much as possible Right but but if you take the if you take the objective of the game as profit it's not exactly clear what the end game is if you take the objective of the game as of as power and control yeah then it's pretty clear that's the best way to control the food supply you just put the farmers out of business who's going to challenge you if their ability to eat requires them to embrace whatever nonsense you're feeding them and all you would have to do is start some sort of famine and just make it very difficult for people to get food and people panic and and when people panic especially people with limited resources and limited Financial ability they they concede they do and that's what we saw during the pandemic I mean it was a it was a great test run to see how much control you can really have over people as soon as you have some sort of major issue that everyone globally has to deal with right um of course simultaneously they make it difficult for those of us who recognize what is uh unfolding to make ourselves self-sufficient so you see weird regulations against you know ancient things like unpasteurized Dairy as if that was some major threat to people or something that you should override their ability to judge for themselves uh but the the pattern of seeking power and control control if you imagine an antagonist rent seeking Elites for lack of a better term and you imagine that they are however they get there completely immoral with respect to us normies they don't I don't know that they hate us but they don't care if we live or die um if you imagine that then you begin to see that major patterns point in the same direction right this attempt to control agriculture which suggests some later chapter in which hunger is going to be used to to keep people in line is consistent with vaccine mandates that were issued in the military which drove out all of the people who would naturally resist immoral orders com creating a more compliant Force now you could imagine that that was an accident you could imagine that uh Public Health official uh let their fears get away from them and they mandated these things out of uh a a Mis um a misunderstanding of the protection of that Force but I think the most parsimonious explanation is that actually a a force built of people who take whatever orders you give them is desired for some scenario we have yet to see so what happened in Europe was these armor started fighting back they started dumping manure everywhere and they started blockading and and doing all these things to protest and apparently at least temporarily they've won now what kind of repercussions they're going to face because of this is what's going to get really weird and that'll be very telling to see what they do to attack these Farmers but it seems like part of the problem was the public was unanimously in favor of the farmers no one thought any of this stuff made sense no one thought that killing all these cows made any sense no one thought that limiting the amount of fertilizer these guys could use or the way these guys can produce food made any sense and I think most people fundamentally recognize that farming is not just difficult but it's it's fragile that they they don't have a lot of wiggle room and so for these people to rise up the way they did that's very courageous it's very courageous and we are it reveals that we are in territory that was just simply not anticipated by the US Founders by any of the important founders of the western Nations right nobody envisioned some sort of an attack from within in which the ability to generate enough food for the population would be targeted right that seems an insane thing that one doesn't need to create rules against because it would be uh you know if we view through a couple Century old lens it would be a suicidal move but that's not the case anymore you're dealing with a global Elite and that Global Elite has options that were you know Unthinkable in the 18th century so that said um I don't think these people whoever they are and whatever it is they are doing I do not believe that they understand the world nearly as well as they think they do do you think that's just because they're removed I mean if you're you're one of the billionaires that's involved in the world economic Forum how much contact do you have with regular people what what is your what are your perceptions of regular human beings and if you've been living like that for a long time I liken it to like celebrities who just have no concept of how other people think or behave or feel because they've been famous and Wealthy for so long and adored for so long they don't understand the plight of the average human being they don't understand and they don't care because they don't see themselves as headed back that direction it's a rare elite that even if they came from humble beginnings it's a rare elite that maintains that mindset in any significant way because it becomes an obstacle you know it becomes a limiter of what strategies you can deploy yeah and encourages empathy which is bad for business very well said Joe um but the problem is they also the elites especially ones who have to some degree or other arranged their Ascent right they've done something that makes them feel like they must be very well informed they must be very clever right there's some component of of their power that is the result of some moment of cleverness in their past or maybe more than one but it makes it difficult for them to remember how much of what they accomplished actually had nothing to do with them it had to do with systems built by other people that they know nothing about and the tendency for them to see the part of the puzzle that they're comfortable with right maybe it's the strategy of power and control but to not appreciate the parts of the puzzle that nobody's expert at right you're they're dealing with complex systems layered upon each other the ability to disrupt that stuff in a way that it stops functioning such that even the elites who make this happen are not going to like the world that they're going to create they may not even be able to live in it right that's the the biggest concern I have right if I thought that they were diabolical but knew what they were doing then my sense is well all right right we're in for a bad hundred years and that's terrible but that's not Extinction right I think we're actually headed for extinction because I think these people have no idea what they're playing with they do not understand what needs to be preserved in order to keep the world functional enough for them to live in how is that conversation not taking place that's what doesn't make sense to me well is it coming from a place where they never feel like they're ever going to go back to Poverty or to any sort of chaotic world that could that we could Envision if everything falls apart they think they'll be protected ultimately because of resources influence power think about it this way let's say that you're really good at the game of power and control and you manage to take what would ordinarily be a profit-making entity a a a social media platform and you get it to sign up for rules of censorship that are bad for business but good for keeping dangerous ideas from spreading well then you're also likely to utilize that mechanism to shut down the very discussions that you need to hear so uh if you think about the question you know and I I don't know how accurate it is that that monarchs had court gestures I don't know how regular that was whether it was an exception but if you think about the position of a monarch who needs to know what's actually going on but nobody around them is going to tell them because it's too dangerous to tell the king that the people think he's an [ __ ] right right so you Empower a Jester maybe you put a ridiculous hat on him and he speaks in a weird way so that anything he says is dismissible but the point is that guy is actually in a position to tell you what you need to know right he can make jokes that are funny in the street that you're not going to hear because you're the king yeah right so these new power Elites they don't have a mechanism that overcomes the control that keeps people from telling them exactly what they need to know you know look if if you're one of these people you're going to screw up the world that you cannot escape and nobody can tell you that because you've managed to create a very pleasant world of people who tell you what you want to hear so that's the danger you're putting us in and we're mad about it for two reasons we're mad about it because you're plotting against our ability to guide our own ship that's natural and you expect that part but we're also mad at you because you're screwing up the world and it's not yours to destroy you're not going to leave a planet for my children you're okay with that I get it but you're not going to leave a planet for your children either so wake the [ __ ] up I think they think their children will be protected and I think they just you know it's it's the old Phrase rules for thee but not for me and we we see that with like the world economic Forum serving beef short rib you know it's like what what do you really believe and why you saying what you're saying and do you think that because you're so protected now because you go from limousine to private jet to Major hotels surrounded by armed security back and forth your interaction with a person who's like trying to deal with their bills trying to deal with their [ __ ] trying to deal with you know mortgage pay payments and whether or not they can afford to pay their taxes and that kind of [ __ ] you're completely removed from any Financial Strife once you get into that Cate you're I mean I'm nowhere near those people and I don't worry about it so they must not worry about it they can't they they can't ever think that it's going to be an issue because it's not an issue it's just like human beings have this inability to recognize anything that they don't immediately interact with everything else becomes abstract like even the whole climate emergency it's a great thing to talk about it's a great talking point for people that need something to wave a flag for and scream and protest and block the highway for it's a great mechanism in that regard but are you really worried about it every day I'm not worried about it every day every day I wake up like it's pretty much just like yesterday it's not that much different no I'm I'm worried about it less and less in fact I'm worried about it less and less as well and also because the way China's taking it on which is not at all China's building power plants left and right they've got a 100 coal plants being built right now plus more than 100 right what was it Jamie I think it was like close to 200 they're they're not and they are the number one them and India they're the people that are dumping [ __ ] into the air you can killing cows isn't going to put one half of one% of of [ __ ] debt in the amount of greenhouse gases that get emitted it's not a lot no it let's put it this way I think we have to have one caution which is just because they're using it to manipulate us doesn't mean that there's not some underlying truth there but if I look at you know where the waterline was when I was a kid versus now it hasn't budged that alerts me to something I do think I've seen a little bit of glacial retreat in places that I knew but it's not a lot well also isn't that an regardless of whether or not people are polluting the world and I think they 100% are and I'm 100% on board look if you go to Los Angeles from the 1960s and 1970s and look at the air and then you look at the emission standards that were enacted catalytic inverters the way they changed how cars work it is much better now substantially better clear indication that these regulations that were smart and intentional they worked they did something good it's better it still sucks you know but but if you go to Mexico City you realize there's a giant difference I took photos when I flew into Mexico City for the UFC and you can't it looks like there's a fire it's like there's a fire on the ground like there's so much smoke and it's just an everyday part of their life if they had the same regulations that they enacted in Los Angeles that would lead to cleaner air and Better Health outcomes for pretty much all of their citizens we all we we both agree to that 100% I mean in fact when I travel to places like this and I think oh wouldn't it be cool to live here I always think yep and you know how much does your life expectancy go down because of the amount of pollutant you're breathing every day so yeah good regulations are critical critical and in fact we we just moved uh recently from don't tell anybody where you live I'm not going to tell them where I live but I did move from Oregon to Washington and Oregon and Washington deal very you mov from the frying pan right into the fire sir you're glutton for punishment what's wrong with you I um you need to get you a gun bring it out to here to the God's country uh get yourself a ranch we've gun get yourself a well yeah a well some guns some get yourself some Longhorns you can Slaughter once a year yeah um but but the point is Oregon actually has regulations that you can't register your car if it puts out um significant pollution mhm and Washington doesn't otherwise they're almost identical the difference between driving in Oregon where you don't you're not behind the truck that belches out that huge bunch of smoke and you're struggling to find the thing to turn off the vent right in Oregon it was it was a night and day difference even between those two states because of those rules because of the regulations so I'm I'm a big fan of elegant light touch regulation that creates a big benefit for a small cost also we realized there's listen I am a car in Enthusiast I love automobiles the automobiles today that have the best emissions output are by far faster handle better safer they everything they do outperforms the stinky ones that were ruining the world the the benefit in terms of like the the air has no negative net effect on the ability to make awesome cars it just doesn't right the cars are absolutely rad the electric ones I also have not just electric ones the electric ones problematic here's why the electric ones problematic at the [ __ ] heart of every electronic device that uses batteries you've got conflict minerals and if you've ever seen my podcast with sadar Cara and you've read his book and you've seen the investigative journalism that that guy did where he risked his life to go into the Congo and show how these artisian Minds that make Cobalt or that mine Cobalt how it's actually being extracted from the ground in your cell phone is likely conflict minerals that have come from the poorest of poor people on planet Earth literally farming with no protection like hammering this stuff out mining with babies on their back young girls who have infants on their back are mining this toxic [ __ ] that we need for our phones so we can tweet about global warming that is why wild and as of right now these things don't exist in terms of the way our batteries work they don't exist without those kind of minerals and whether or not they can be harvested ethically seems like we can probably do it it doesn't seem like it would be impossible but China's not interested in it at all and the people that run those mines are not interested in it at all they want to make the most amount of money right now and the best ways to keep people poor as [ __ ] so that those people have to do that because there are no options you get that from them you extract enormous profits the people that risk their lives and have terrible outcomes have no benefit from it and you continue business as usual because you've been allowed to now if that was in Ohio if we found out that that was going down in Ohio people would freak the [ __ ] out they would boycott those companies they'd figure out how to buy things that didn't rely on that and we would have to change politically it would be so untenable politically to support slave labor and to support people living in the most abject poverty you can imagine the worst poverty on Earth but yet are extracting some of the most valuable resources the Earth has that's insane yeah it's it's crazy now of course the right answer to it is good governance where we look at these right questions in the long term and we say here's where we are this isn't sustainable what is it what is the objective how can we do the max maximum amount with the minimum amount of damage and we figure out how to move in a coordinated fashion in that direction because it's in all of our interest to do so but we can't do that while rent-seeking Elites are conspiring to control us arguably out of existence I mean not just that but trying to control discourse because discourse is what starts the European Farmers getting together and overturning these these regulations discourse is what starts people re recognizing how unfair the structure of some of the these systems are and who's profiting and why and whether or not we want to support that whe or whether or not this is a normal pattern of behavior for human beings when they have ultimate power it has existed forever every King every Emperor every person who ran giant groups of people did so ruthlessly with no regard for the people ultimately it was no one ever said like I've got got so much money and I'm the king I'm going to make sure that my money is distributed to everybody there's no hungry people everybody has food everybody has a a place to sleep no one no one's ever done that they all do the exact same thing when they have power the ultimate power they develop this idea that they deserve it and that it's theirs and then they ruthlessly wield it and they keep the people down cuz the if the people are down just enough you don't want them down to the point where they're going to fight back and kill everybody you want just under coup levels well I mean I think there's a little more richness to that story I I agree that almost without exception leaders rule uh in their own enlightened self-interest but there's a question about how enlightened they are you can have a monarch who understands that long term their ability to rule is better served by uh protecting the people's interests more than some other leader who realizes you know I mean but isn't that rare have a leader like that can you name any of them I it would have a hard time are these utopian leaders no I think it's I think there's a spectrum you know you have people you know on the other end of the spectrum like pole pot right and the idea is you only need one tool and the tool is if I don't like you you're dead yeah right so that's one way to do it but it's not really a long-term strategy and then we have everybody you know but isn't it a long-term strategy in some places like Kim un seems to be doing a pretty good job with that uh I don't see any relinquishing of that power no I don't see it either but not like they have massive resources it's not like they're doing great I'm I agree with you I I have to say it is a more effective strategy than I would like to imagine but it doesn't look like a strategy that is going to effectively spread over time whereas if you if you look at our system and really our system you know as much as you can say one Monarch is better than another really the point is the West has the alternative that is um the best plan going and probably the best plan possible the consent of the Govern in which we put aside our lineage level differences and we collaborate with other people irrespective of what they look like because they're good collaborators that system is like wildfire with respect to creating I hate to use term growth but growth is a good proxy for what it creates it it creates capacity right and the reason that so much of the world looked at the American experiment and decided that it wanted a piece of it was because America was an extremely Dynamic Place once it discovered that this was the way to do it that putting aside monarchs Al together giving people the right to consent or not over those who would rule them and putting aside the many different differences that existed at a a genetic level between the populations that were here that that is it's lightning in a bottle so and and I believe that what's going on with these rent seeking Elites is that they have not really understood that story and they have decided um that they you know they're going to they're going to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and um they're not going to be happy with the world that follows but isn't that what the founding fathers were trying to prevent by structuring our government in the way that they did yeah my my uh sense is they accidentally solved the most important puzzle because they needed to do it in order to get the colonies to agree to Confederate and that so by taking a bunch of different mination likee things and saying well what are the rules that will allow these people to trust a confederation is not going to leave them with the Short Straw they built a system that actually does allow people from different races to do the same trick and the idea that the thing that really makes the West special is that we agree not to care about the shape of your nose or the slant of your eyes or the color of your skin and the question is well all right I've got some piece of the puzzle who's got a compatible piece that we can put together and create wealth right that's magic if you're limited to your own racial group in order to make wealth then the amount of wealth you can make is a lot tinier so this is just simply a better way of existing and as you well know we were nowhere it was not perfected it was really just a prototype 10 years ago 20 years ago but what we've started to do is wreck it in favor of utopian Notions that'll never work or a retreat to some kind of cryptic oligarchic power and none of these things are in a position to compete with that system from the point of view of discovering what's possible and bringing the value of it to the population of planet Earth and art Innovation everything technology everything everything everything good that we should be trying to achieve is achieved better with that mechanism but what's fascinating is that they're using this is like you're saying to kill the goose the that lays the golden egg they're using all of these utopian social ideas and using them in this very weird authoritarian way and the people that are most promoting it are the people that are in control of all these systems these the people that are in control of the military-industrial complex the people in control of the pharmaceutical companies they're the ones that they want this struggle to be going on between people they want this false sense that white supremacy is the number one problem that we face on in America right now in a country where we elected a black Man twice well it's just nonsense yeah and it's I think it promotes racism because it makes people that are like on the fence racist angry and they go the other way they go hard and there's a bunch of people that feel like they have to be racist because they're being discriminated against and no one cares and for people that aren't thoughtful and people that don't spend a lot of time and you know really consider their position on things I think they they tend to react in a way that is you know you you're you're reacting in an impulsive way because you feel threatened and it's not logical it's not it doesn't reflect your actual real values of how you really would think about people if everybody would just treated everybody as normal everybody is in is the same thing you know and that the idea that even the the goal of that itself to Aspire to a colorblind Society is somehow racist that that doesn't make any sense sense I think it's a pretty good this is exactly why I'm concerned that these people just don't know what they're doing yeah right they tried to create racial Strife to distract from their uh their bankruptcy their moral bankruptcy right they were staving off the French Revolution by getting us to turn on each other well that worked a little bit for a while but it also created a lot of interest in talking about what they were up to and uh it created an entire alternative media space in which people who didn't want any part of that nonsense um actually uh gained credibility in the Public's eyes people who might never have been heard of in in wider circles if not for this so they didn't anticipate that they were going to create an alternative to the media that they controlled That's how little they understand they didn't realize that at some point if they tried to push the idea that you know fat is beautiful that uh you're somehow morally defective if you're not attracted to trans people by pushing that nonsense they created a rebellion they forced people to actually consider these things which made a lot of us reject them and by rejecting them there's now a a very influential if not power ful group of people across a wide spectrum discussing what those Elites are up to right we even I think have Elites of our own I I I can't be certain but musk doesn't look like he's on their team to me he's not on their team that's what I think well he's insanely wealthy and independent and an actual legitimate genius in a world of fools right and I think not Flawless not Flawless he he gets out of line every now and then he gets a little wacky he does but he's fun he's Restless he's a fun guy to have at the helm and I think uh he looks at the he looks at what is being plotted against us and sees it as a fun challenge to confront it so that and he has the resources to do it unlike most people and has the courage to do something like completely overpay for Twitter and then have the advertisers lock him out and literally in a discussion with the guy from The New York Times he goes go [ __ ] yourself go [ __ ] let me be clear go [ __ ] yourself yep I don't care you trying to Blackmail me with money go [ __ ] yourself right and nobody does that well uh I on the one hand Nobody Does it on the other hand I wonder why more people don't because the fact is he's demonstrating that not only does it work shortterm it has costs but longterm he's not exactly losing right no but he's also he's a child of the internet in the sense that like he makes memes he posts memes like when he post that Meme of Bill Clinton excuse me of Bill Gates next to the emoji of a pregnant man and said when you want to lose a boner real quick yeah that's wild because you can't even say oh [ __ ] that guy he's a dumbass it's literally one of the smartest human beings alive and the wealthiest man alive right and he's dunking on you on a platform that he owns now right there's that I also as much as it's juvenile um I love it there something juvenile no it's the one where he uh he was asked for comment by one of these Legacy Media Outlets I don't know if it was the New York Times but it might as well have been and he sent back a poop emoji and it's like look that's a wise move because the rules of the game say you know he refused to comment right but you can't say that if he did comment and it was a poop emoji you have to report that so that was extremely clever yeah I listen I regardless of how nonsensical some of the stuff that they print is I still have faith in journalists I think we're going through a very weird Trend right now where they're not behaving like journalists they're behaving like propaganda and I think that the business is imploding because of that and the rise of independent journalists and I know there was an attempt at a correction at CNN there was an attempt at it but they had so many [ __ ] holes in that ship that just try to patch them up a little you're you're not going to get people's trust in that way and I don't think it was effective so it wasn't effective in terms of the amount of people that were watching and there's no Dynamic personalities that people appreciate and respect and really really trust that are on the air it's simp simply Talking Heads that you're familiar with but I think that ultimately they're going to have to either adjust or die either one of them is okay because if they die then you have independent journalists that do have the respect and the admiration of people because they've put their neck out there and they've said things that are controversial and and difficult and they've made these points from a a well articulated place of an actual understanding of the issues and not ideological so when you're seeing something like the New York times tweet post things that are clearly ideological Rolling Stones lost the plot I mean just what are they doing that they're just they're propaganda nonsense that [ __ ] that they did during the pandemic about the people dying from ior mechon while gunshot wounds how many people are getting shot the [ __ ] are you talking about you've got a line of gunshot wounds is that what you're showing me and then you're showing me a photograph which is a stock photo of a completely different time of the year where people wearing winter jackets you [ __ ] like this is crazy you're talking about what was it Oklahoma that we're saying Oklahoma in the summer and people are wearing parkas like [ __ ] you how are you real how are you real how are you real while the Darkhorse podcast exists how are you real it's because people they're they're not quite ready to jump ship yet but they're [ __ ] close and so you've seen the New York Times and the LA Times just fired a shitload of people Sports Illustrated there's all these organizations that are just [ __ ] now because the media corporate media you don't want to call it mainstream anymore because it's not as big it's really not the real mainstream is online and corporate media is [ __ ] imploding but the people that want those jobs the people that go to school the people that really grow up respecting and appreciating and admiring actual journalists the people that uncovered Watergate the people that report about the the the pipeline being blown up and who's actually doing it you know when you get real like kids that are growing up right now that are listening to this people that are in college right now that recognize the true value of Journalism they're going to get out into the world and some of them are going to make it and they're going to show the way and it's the only way for those businesses to survive you can't survive as a propagandist while X exists you cannot because you're going to be exposed you might work for the Boomers but guess what they're going to die they don't have much time left especially if they take your [ __ ] medical advice uh exactly so let me introduce a concept here that we talk about on Dark Horse regularly which is zero is a special number and this is about a little piece of game theory that the rent seeking Elites did not understand um the idea is if you have control if you have censorship control over all of the social media platforms then the world looks a particular way because certain stories that should be discussed can't be discussed if a single platform escapes that control then it becomes the platform that everybody wants to be on because nobody wants to be treated like a child we all want to be in the places where we can discuss whatever needs to be discussed so by buying Twitter and keeping it afloat through the initial attack musk created an environment where we are now much Freer than we were to speak even just two or three years ago and it seems to have alleviated pressure that's my point once you have one entity that succeeds in stabilizing itself outside of the control every other social media platform has to follow or die right because but do they they they are they they they are and they will I mean it's possible that they will find some way to to defang X there's still a lot of bad architecture inside of X um but if x remains freeer then it forces the hand of everybody else who wishes to compete because nobody wants to be you know playing mini golf when there's real golf can you expand on the the structure of it the architecture that you think is well let's just say um I I will use in my defense uh I met with Elon and and he talked to me about something that I think he's also talked to he's talked publicly about which is the fact that before he owned X he could detect that the behavior with respect to his own account was not organic that there was lots of structure inside that decided what to elevate and yeah uh what to suppress I feel this in my account I've in fact seen very strange stuff up until last week it's very hard to convey that to anybody because they don't know how good you are at sorting actual Shenanigans from just feeling like a tweet should have done better than it did right and you know it was just luck of the draw but um I think it is possible to demonstr let me just tell you about one example okay um I was tweeting about what what even oh it was about um after my interview I had two recent interviews with Tucker Carlson um the second one was about the Border crisis and it contains some really explosive stuff and um it was not trending which is weird for a Tucker interview especially one that got as many views as it did and there has been some uh I used to be able to do something I would call climbing a trend if there was a trend on Twitter I could very often tweet about it and then my tweet would climb up the trend and that became impossible it was like forbidden somehow in the architecture of Twitter in the aftermath of this Tucker interview um I expected to see that interview and my participation in it trended because so many people saw it it was like 6 million views in two days so that it was obviously something that was being seen and discussed and it didn't start trending and then a weird thing happened my name trended but it was only my first name and it trended under the category sports and if you went to the Tweets in the trend they were actually about the Tucker interview so the Brett whoa right so what it turned out somebody posted underneath they said oh it's Brett fav who's that's why it says Brett Favre Favre communist what's wrong with me wow I'm not going to live that down am I but uh far he's a legend you got to get his name right I I am going to from now on would you say Jamie that's going to be a me all right uh well I'll take my lumps on that but nonetheless it's an odd spelling in your defense if you don't you know well yeah so here's what happened BR trended the category was Sports it wasn't Brett Weinstein trending and when you went to the tweets they weren't about sports or Brett Favre okay they were actually about me right so you were prevented from trending in some way I think that what happened uh to put it in the the proper um computer science language is that the intersection of Brett Weinstein and Brett Favre is B re T he spells his name with two T's and obviously we have different last names but the idea was that whatever the architecture in the back of Twitter is was preventing me from trending but they had a but he was allowed to Trend and because our names had this intersection I could Trend under his category but the most of the category was about you none of it was about him it was all about me as far as I could tell wild so anyway I think that implies the structure that I've been detecting but haven't been able to establish and anyway that stuff is still inside Twitter do I think musk has put a block on me trending no I don't think so at all but I think there's something in there that he doesn't know about well you got to think who's working there okay first of all Twitter's in San Francisco the idea that you're going to get 4,000 Rebels who are you know International dark web members that are working in Twitter is nonsense you're going to get those kids that are subject to the same social pressures that all the other kids that are getting out of universities and they're moving into social media space are getting those are the people now they might have mandates that they're told to use but these are computer Geniuses these are people that know how to [ __ ] with things these are people that are coders and if they can get away with it especially if your boss is busy running SpaceX and Tesla I mean how the [ __ ] can that guy do oh and the boring company sorry you know and having 150 kids how how does that guy have time yeah I have three kids and I can't [ __ ] pay attention to half the [ __ ] that's going on in the world if I was like I have issues sometimes at my club where I have to like put out social fires and I'm like what is that actually happening I have to like kind of like forensically analyze each and every conflict measure personalities like what is this person susceptible to doing something and maybe they don't seem to be honest like something's going on here what's the actual truth do I get these two people together and [ __ ] man and that's a simple thing like a comedy club with a 100 employees it's not that big a deal you know this [ __ ] is running Twitter SpaceX Tesla and the boring company and he's providing starlink satellites to Ukraine and all other parts of the world and you you could put one on your [ __ ] camper and get 5G in the middle of the desert like what right at the same time that he's like Ming people into submission how every time I text him I'm like how are you responding to me how do you have the [ __ ] time how do you do that I can't keep up I have like 89 text messages that I have to get to at the end of this podcast podcast yeah it it's it's amazing uh what he's able to do and he has a taste for it so how could he possibly be paying attention to how people are trending and what's allowed and what's not allowed oh I don't think I don't think he can all he can do is put people in charge and he can give them marching orders and say I don't want this thing to uh to have its thumb on is he aware of this dilemma you should you should alert him to this here's the problem okay okay and I don't know what this means and I wasn't I was not going to mention this uh but this is the very thing so I went to see musk as I mentioned we had a very good discussion um I spent about a half an hour with him at the end of it he said that he thought it was a good discussion and he wanted to meet again and I said anytime of course on my trip back home literally from that meeting my Twitter account Got Hijacked for the first time ever I've never had an account hijacked but my Twitter account Got Hijacked and it started putting out some crazy spam stuff and I was concerned about it because not only is it alarming to have your account captured but I had been dming with musk including encrypted DMS now there wasn't anything sensitive in there but you can imagine in my shoes the last thing you want is somebody captures your account and they start exposing Communications with mus that maybe he doesn't want public so I contacted him right in alarm and I said my account's been captured not sure what to do about it we were in a discussion and uh we were talking about the fact that the account itself has weird uh behavior on Twitter which I didn't know if that was relevant or not and he asked me for more information and I started to tell him about this trend stuff mhm he blocked me now I don't know what that means I don't think he's on the other team I don't think he blocked you yes he blocked me and I'm blocked to this day which seems strange it could be that he's forgotten that he's done it but I don't think so why would he block you I have no idea it makes no sense now it's possible that he you know he's very busy it's possible that he took what I was telling him about the behavior of my account as if I thought it was his obligation to pay attention to me personally which I never thought but maybe he interpret it that way the last thing he said was stop spamming me which was very strange for a guy who said he wanted to have another meeting right how many messages were you sending him three or four stop spamming me it was very strange but uh look I don't hold it against him the guy is obviously I think it's it's obvious that he is trying to save the world and he's one of very few people who has the kind of power and insight to actually make an important difference in that so I'm very much a supporter of what he's doing even if I found that whole chapter strange um but nonetheless it happened I don't know what it means and it is interesting that it happened as I was trying to explain to him the weirdness in my account which was a mirror for what he told me he had experienced with his account before he bought Twitter yeah you know you could if you wanted to be charitable you could chalk that up to a guy that's just [ __ ] insanely stressed out and busy and dealing with fires I I don't I'm already there I I my feeling is I'm still a supporter of his I I don't like that he blocked me but the guy's got more important stuff to do yeah and I'm supportive of what he's doing well hopefully he'll hear this and unblock you that would be lovely stop spamming him bro well let's put it this way if that was the if that was the issue all he needed to say is yeah hey Brett yeah I'm very busy I'm very busy yeah which he clearly is yep yeah you can't fake that that's I don't know how he does it in the first place so responding to even responding by stop spamming me right even that I time how expensive was that that he he actually typed that out I'm just thankful that there is a guy like him that's doing what he's doing because if it wasn't for him I think we were moving in a very wild Direction a really crazy crazy direction of adherence and compliance regardless of whether or not it's logical and things are moving more and more into this crazy ideological place that seems very much like a cult and it was in control of all of our Mass means of communication other than you know whether it's rumble or gab or these sites that are committed to free speech and some of them have been kind of [ __ ] and take and I think that that that's something that people need to take into consideration too when you you hear about a right-wing platform that gets infiltrated by racists and Nazis and I'm sure that's true too I'm sure there are some but I would imagine and I would like you to consider that we know that government interference in social media discourse whether it is our government or whether it's foreign governments that want us to stay at each other's throats is a real thing and one of the ways they would do that is to make any sort of any kind of there anytime there's a discussion have the most problematic take on it elevated and have massive amounts of people that are saying egregious horrible things over and over again and to me my reaction when I see that is I stop using that platform and that's me that's someone who's really aware of this game and knows how it's I don't go to these other platforms I just get the [ __ ] out of here they're two it's two nuts some of them and then some of them I go okay like on on X like when some some hot take comes out I love to go into the accounts and see what the most ridiculous people like what they're saying and then go to their page and it's usually like a name with a bunch of numbers and they have like 43 followers and then you look at their tweets and it's all either responding to these social issues In This Very egregious way or retweeting Preposterous things and retweeting gaslighting things you know retweeting things that just like you just go who the [ __ ] thinks like this well it's they're not real people man these are agents of chaos and they're injected into social media if you have beer and it's a really good beer and you inject 20% piss into that beer people going to drink that beer what the [ __ ] is wrong with this beer it's not the beer it's what's being injected into the beer you're not allowing the real citizens to have an honest take on how everybody else thinks because the way we figure out what's right no one exactly knows that their take is 100% the only way to look at things you got to be able to interact with people that's why discourse is so important and that's the most fascinating aspect about the free internet is to be able to see the actual opinions of real people that think very differently than you and some of them you might think are ridiculous and some of them might change change your mind you might listen to what their take is on something and go I never considered that I have to maybe maybe I am looking at things ideologically maybe I do have a pre preconceived notion of what's right and what's wrong and it's not based on facts it's not I'm not being objective and that's the only way to find that out but when you're dealing with swarms of people whether it's Russian troll Farms or Chinese or American and they're jumping into The Fray and [ __ ] up all the conversations you're like woo what's really going on here what is really going on and I think most people don't know what's really going on I was I was the reason why I got to this recently it was some article I forget what the article was about but it was some social take but then I saw that they were posting Tweets in the article which is a new thing that lazy journalists would do and this was the take on line of this and so I go okay that's the take on line let me go to that person see if it's a real person nope not a real person let me go to this other tweet nope not a real person I mean it might be a real person but my instincts are that the [ __ ] name and three numbers behind it and the way they're tweeting about stuff [ __ ] [ __ ] is it so did they do that how did they not do that before they posted those tweets they don't give a [ __ ] they're just getting clicks they just want to see that people are arguing about things and they want to see the support for whatever Preposterous notion they're trying to push out whether it's a trans athletes or you know people being able to use women's rooms with penises all that stuff when you see the takes on that and you go like how much of this is real humans and how much of it is actually affecting real humans to their their whole barometer their idea of like what's okay and what's not okay shifts and the way I've described it and I i' heard someone talk about this in terms of I think it was Tony Robbins actually talk about it in terms of beneficial behavior that if you are on a certain path there's two boats on a certain path and one of them deviates slightly in in a better Direction over time the distance is great from where you would be to where you are now because you've done the right things well that's also true if you like get people to believe nonsense and you get to people to believe like weird social things and you get to be people to believe that if you are not willing to have sex with a biological male who identifies as a woman somehow or another you're a Nazi and there that gets further and fur then we find ourselves in these like how did I get here like how are we here and well a lot of it is just discourse and if you can control discourse and if you can manipulate discourse which is clearly being done you could change what's acceptable well I I on the one hand I think it's even worse than you're portraying it and on the other hand I find a kind of Hope in this and the way it's worse is if you think about who we're up against and what properties they control they presumably have the intelligence services on their side they've banked all of our Communications and I mean if you give me their cards I know how to win right you know who suspects whom of what you know who resents who whom you know how to seed uh anger and disrespect it's not hard to take a group of people and get them to tangle themselves if you have that kind of information and they just simply do and they don't even have to collect it in real time they just have to bank it so that they can go back and figure out what the map of these things is and they can tangle us and I think they're doing it and I think we are seeing I know that in the um in the covid dissident Community there's all kinds of infighting uh that's going on that about what well there's a faction that has emerged for example that is convinced that there was no novel pa