Folks, welcome back. As promised, my dear friend and brother in Christ, Pastor Lucas Miles. Lucas, my friend, it is encouraging to see your face today. Thanks for coming on. >> Likewise, Eric. It's good to see you. I know uh uh you were a friend to Charlie as well and have been in the trenches with him for a long time and so appreciate you having me on. >> It's incomprehensible stuff. if I have to kind of like joke or talk about other stuff or or talk about what do we do, but just thinking about it. Um, you I mentioned earlier when I introduced you, you're the head of TPUSA Faith. Um, I've been very involved with TPUSA Faith because Charlie, when we made our film, Letter to the American Church, uh, Charlie wanted to partner with us and we did. Uh, we made it together. He is prominently featured in it. Of course, I am as well. And what I wanted to say up front, Lucas, before we get to your book, is we offered the film free to churches, any church in America. We've, you know, made a a film called Letter of the American Church. Charlie Kirk and Eric Mataxis and John Amanuku and Victor Marx and Rob McCoy and a number of others talking about what does it mean to be a Christian today in America? How does that affect our politics? What and many many many many churches of people listening to this program right now said, "Oh, what? We don't want to film that. That's too political. It's too divisive." because Charlie Kirk is so divisive and American taxes is so divisive and harsh. And I thought if you want to know the problem with America today, look to the American church because there are pastors and boards of elders and folks that say, "We don't want anything to do with this." And I want to I wanted to say upfront, folks, if you go to a church like that, you you need to either get out of that church yesterday or say to them, okay, now that Charlie was murdered, we would like you to have a screening in this church of this film, Letter to the American Church. Would you do that? And by the way, if you don't do that, I'm going to take God's tithe money and all my friends and their tithe money, and we're going to leave this church. We are in in an hour. We're It is late. It is late, folks. and the murder of our friend if that doesn't wake you up at this point to where we are. So I had to say that Lucas incomprehensible. Now your book it's called Pagan Threat: Confronting America's Godless Uprising. If ever there was a prophetic book for this hour, Godless uprising. Pagan threat. the young man ostensibly who murdered Charlie is is right at the center of the kind of thing you're talking about here. There are there are people out there that are so lost that they've embraced the darkness and their forces of evil and we wait for them because they are lost. Um so I know when you wrote this book you didn't know what was going to happen. None of us could dream of what was going to happen. um tell us, you know, whatever you want, but just tell us about the thesis of of this book, which is just out called Pagan Threat. Thanks, Eric. I appreciate you uh you having me on. And let me just say, as just a um introductory statement here, that you know, you're absolutely right about what you shared about uh the letter to the American church and the experience there. And sadly, I don't think CO and and a lot of the totalitarian um policies that we were seeing pushed on us as Americans was actually enough to wake a lot of people up. Um and I think that this event has shaken the world. Now, unfortunately, I'll tell you, I I literally I made a post on Twitter about, you know, please pastors address this on Sunday. Uh you you shouldn't have to tell a pastor to, you know, honor a Christian martyr. Um, and really kind of the only one in America, in our generation that I can think of, you know, that's I mean, nobody's made an impact like Charlie Kirk has in his life or death, you know, in any sort of recent time. Um, I have gotten countless emails from people saying, "My pastor didn't talk about it. My pastor didn't address it. My pastor didn't say Charlie's name. My pastor just said, "It's been a rough week, huh? Hope you guys have a better week next week." You know, these sorts of statements. I mean, it's reprehensible to think the status, but here's what this is going to do, and mark my words on this. This is a dividing line for the American church and for the gospel. This is not about Charlie. Charlie would not want to make this about him, but it's about are we actually alive? Are we awake to what's happening? Are we recognizing the the status of the world in which we live? Um, and if if pastors did not address this, you're going to see churches that have been unwilling to talk about these things, been playing it safe, they are going to dwindle. I mean, I'm talking about mega massive churches that are not touching this. People are leaving them by the droves. They're looking. >> Thank God. Thank God. This is the Lord's will. I mean, it's kind of funny. Here's the problem. Whenever I'm around you, whenever I was around Charlie, like you're saying exactly what I would say if I was behind the microphone. It's exactly. This is the Holy Spirit speaking through you. What exactly you're saying? >> Well, I appreciate that. And look, you know, this is the work we're doing at TPS USA Faith. I know a lot of people are familiar with, you know, kind of, you know, Charlie's viral videos on campus and everything else, but, you know, what they might not know is that Charlie had a faith division. And so, that's what I've been operating for the last almost year and a half now. And, uh, we have, you know, 4,000 plus pastors that we've been working with. I have a feeling that number is getting ready to double or triple. Uh, we have been having massive numbers of requests. And so although I share the the the frustrations with churches that weren't willing to address this, what I will tell you is every pastor that I know that's part of our network has said, "Lucas, my attendance doubled this week." I my own church, I pastor a church in in uh Granger, Indiana outside of South Bend. Our attendance doubled yesterday. Um it is the revival that we are seeing in the midst of this dividing line is it is uh uh it is almost incomprehensible. Um, I miss my friend, but he would be so excited to to know and to see that he truly accomplished the purpose of his life and his generation. Uh, he did it throughout his life and and he sealed it with his death and America is waking up. And I truly believe, you know, you talked about the book, obviously in the midst of this, my book is kind of the last thing on my mind, but it is the pagan threat that took Charlie's life. um this this pagan threat of of you know uh kind of a a trans death cult you know that we're seeing uh look and Charlie loved people he loved people who were hurting he loved people who had false ideology um but it is this ideology this Marxist um you know demonic uh um you know just satanic you know ideology that has crept in and it is it is destroyed so many people and the gospel is starting to bring light on that and I pray that Charlie's death would not be in vain and the church would rise up. And so in this book, I lay out an action plan of how do we deal with this pagan threat. Uh I have seven steps for the church and Christians moving forward and for families and parents that are dealing with this. Uh it is timely. I wish it weren't the case. I wish I was wrong. I wish this book didn't need to be written. Uh but I think it's more important now than ever. And I was honored to have Charlie write the forward uh as one of his last, you know, written uh things that he did. Well, listen. Um, we have to just acknowledge that we're in prophetic times. Now, what do I mean by that? I I mean we are where God God's hand is always in history, but there are times that you can see it more clearly. What we're seeing right now, it's like the birth of America. You can't say that 1776 was just another year. There are times when God says, "Okay, now. Okay, now." We're living through one of those now times. Uh it is it is a moment that is you see God's hand. Um the Lord knew um that Charlie would be leaving this world. The Lord the Lord knows and I talked about this in my first hour about God's sovereignty and don't want to get into that again. But the point is that we're experiencing something right now. There is no doubt that we're seeing revival, real revival because a lot of people talk about well we're going to have revival. Well unfortunately or fortunately or whatever it took the murder of Charlie Kirk. It took this martyr's death of Charlie Kirk to do something that could not be done otherwise. We're going to see people now they're being confronted with the evilness of evil that before they were kind of like, eh, life is hard. It's like, no, no, now you're seeing really the clarity, the dark and the light, the the the the evilness of evil, and you're saying the only answer is Jesus. And so right now, you know, what you were just saying um about pagan threat. I mean, we didn't see years ago, you know, there were people who we differed with them or whatever, but we're really seeing it now. It's becoming clearer and clearer. And I think what you said about churches, I mean, I've been saying this now for three years, and this is now it's going to way more that if your church is not talking about all the stuff that I write about in a letter to the American church and religionless Christianity, if your pastor's not talking about this, >> you need to leave that church. >> If your pastor is unwilling to talk about Charlie and and this, get out, folks. The time is late. and those churches are going to wither and die like the fig tree that Jesus cursed because they didn't bear fruit. I think that I think you're exactly right on that. >> You know, look, I I I always try to be as um as as gracious towards pastors as possible. I've been a pastor for over 20 years now of the same church. And pastoring is a hard job. Uh the only harder job I think is being a pastor's wife and it is uh it's a very difficult role. Um and sometimes you don't know how to navigate things. I lost half my church in 2015 and 2016 over these cultural issues when I took a stand for things. And I want to I want to give people grace. Sometimes it takes guys a while to wake up. And I wish that that wasn't the case. I just had a guy text me here and just said, "You know what? I've been wrong about some things. I was wrong about Charlie. I'm ready to get in the fight." Uh I love seeing messages like that. I want people to wake up. There's no condemnation if you didn't understand yesterday. >> Amen. Amen. I want to say that before we go to the break. There is no condemnation, folks. We all get stuff wrong. I can give you and I often do give you chapter and verse. I got was wrong about this and this and this. But then you can say, "Okay, I got it wrong. God, help me to get it right. Help me to repent." That is happening. There are people waking up while we're talking right now. Praise the Lord. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm talking to my friend, Pastor Lucas Miles, who heads up TPUSA Faith. He's the author of a new book called Pagan Threat: Confronting America's Godless Uprising. it as a forward by our dear friend and brother Charlie Kirk. Um Lucas uh how can people if if there are pastors or churches they're listening how can they get involved with TPUSA faith what can where do they go to a website because I want every pastor in America to be a part of your network it's vital. >> Yep. 100%. So first off they can go to tpusafaitha.com. Um, you can fill out forms there, check out some of the resources. We have a new pastor portal we're going to be rolling out soon. And I'd say we're we're still, you know, I'm at I'm at headquarters uh in Phoenix. I'll be there, you know, uh, for for a while to, uh, to support the team um, and and, you know, really, uh, start navigating next steps. But I'll tell you what, the sentiment among everybody is we're not getting, you know, we're not stopping. We are just getting started. And, and I think that is, I can say it's especially true for the faith department. you are going to see massive growth. We're expect I mean we're getting so many requests in from people, pastors, church leaders need to go to this. We do pastor trainings, we do, you know, conferences, resources, we have new courses and classes. Everything is offered free of charge for the church. There's no excuse not to take us up on this. Uh when I first heard about TPSA faith, I thought it was a scam because I didn't I I didn't know anything about Charlie Kirk at the time. It was years ago. And um and I was like, they can't be offering me all this free stuff and they're not expecting me to like make some big donation or have some monthly subscription or something like that. Um and and it's the truth. We have amazing donors that have made these resources available to churches free of charge because they care about the church in America. And uh it would be foolish to not uh I think you know partner with us and take us up on it. Well, I can say I've been at innumerable TPUSA faith events and it is such a wonderful thing um to meet pastors that get this, they want to be a part of God's solution in this hour. They're not foolish enough to say, "I don't I don't do politics." They understand that we don't make an idol of politics, folks. God forbid. But at the same time, you have to take a stand on these issues that affect human beings. And if you're a pastor, more than anything, you need to lead your flock in understanding these things. That's what TPUSA Faith is there to help you do. And so, I just want to say to any pastor that's not part of that network, tpus faith.com. Check it out. Lucas, we're living in a glorious hour. And again, you know, we know that the scripture says all things work together for good for those that love the Lord and are called according to his purposes, even the worst thing. And I really believe that the tragic death of our brother, this martyr's death, which is what it is, is is putting the afterburners on like the the thing we're going to see growth in the church that, you know, a lot of people have prophesied it and I believe the prophecies, but you're like, "Okay, Lord, how you going to get that done?" This is a part of that. We're we're we're seeing curiosity among people before this. And you said it too, like it's kind of amazing that that co and and and a stolen election and all the weirdness and an open borders and trans lunacy, whatever that if that didn't push you to say, "Okay, I got to be part of this. I got to start speaking about this." It seems like the horror of this tragedy is pushing many people and that's that's going to be good for them and for their churches. >> You know, when I um what I sought out to do in this book, Pagan Threat, was first off to help people to realize that we have a generation that's in trauma. Uh there's a reason why this younger generation, young millennials, Gen Z, etc., uh uh have been experimenting with different faiths with different ideologies with Marxism uh with transgenderism and and I think the the major source of that yes it's demonic and yes there's deception we could talk about all those things spiritually but I think that you know from a from a horizontal standpoint in order to understand this fully you have to understand that this is a generation that has been in trauma um and you know from from uh 9/11 to wars around the world uh to to things like, you know, COVID uh to things like what we've seen with, you know, uh all of the indoctrination in schools, u school shootings, uh really exploding on the scene. Uh this is a generation that's been in fear for a long time. And it has caused them uh in that confusion to start experimenting with some of these other ideologies. you know, they're seeking support from crystals and and you know, sage and doing, you know, seances and the occult practices and radical environmentalism, which is really earth warship. Um, you know, all of these things trying to find some sort of like, uh, uh, you know, um, uh, stability in the midst of all of this just, you know, uh, you know, uh, turmoil. And I think that, you know, they're looking everywhere but the right place. And so in this book, I give a roadmap for uh Christians to be able to help, you know, really confront uh this pagan uprising, to understand it fully, and to push back the tide. A major factor here, and Eric, you'll you'll know this and identify this, the average age of pastors in America is rising very steadily. Uh in 2020, it was 50 years old. In in 2024, it was 57 years old. Uh what that means is that it's getting harder and harder. It's not to say that, you know, uh, and you know, I I woke up with some, you know, I I tweaked my back in the shower at almost 46 years old. I'm feeling I'm feeling my age a little bit more than ever. Um, but it's not to say that that the older generation cannot reach younger people, but it's more difficult because a lot of the spaces where younger people are, you know, Tik Tok live streams, gaming chat rooms, um, you know, even school cafeterias, it's harder for them to reach those spaces. So, we have to be so much more strategical and intentional about actually reaching this young generation because we're not going to be able to do it through all the old methods. Charlie understood that. He was a master. There was nobody better at reaching the younger generation than him. Uh, but I hopefully have laid out a road map that we can follow in this book uh for us to be able to do that today to push back this tide on this pagan uprising. >> We will be right back. I'm talking to Pastor Lucas Miles. Brand new book, Pagan Threat: Confronting America's Godless Uprising: Pagan Threat by Lucas Miles. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm talking to my dear friend uh and brother Lucas Miles, Pastor Lucas Miles, about his brand new book, Pagan Threat: Confronting America's Godless Uprising with a Forward by Charlie Kirk. And again, uh Lucas, you run TPUSA Faith, which is the faith arm of TPUSA. I remember when Charlie came to me talking about this, he said to me, "We want to raise up a thousand Bonhoffers." >> Yeah. >> And I thought, "Well, that's right." Um, but now I think we say, "We want to raise up a 100,000 Charlie Kirks." >> Yeah. >> Charlie Kirk is a modern day Bonhoffer. If ever there were one, he is that. and and I know that he had a passion and he didn't, you know, I I honestly when I first heard about Charlie years ago, um this young man, he's this phenomenon, I remember thinking, is he a Christian? Is he a sort of Christian? Because there are a lot of conservatives that they're kind of sort of Christians or whatever to realize like, oh no, no, no. He is full on born again, completely sold out to the will of God. And that's what informs him. That's when I thought, wow, what a gift from God. What a gift from God to this generation, to this time that this young man is not just talking about all this political stuff, but it's informed by his faith. And then he talks about his faith. So powerful and so wonderful. And so folks, uh, you know, if your church isn't involved, tpusafaith.com, check it out. This is important. Um, but Lucas, your book, tell us more about what is in the book Pagan Threat. Obviously, you wrote this long before you dreamt we'd be living through this um, sad period. Yeah, I think in in although we're not advertising this as any sort of you know um sequel, it it really is coming on the heels of my previous book woke Jesus at which I you know did an indepth look at the history of progressivism uh and Marxist ideology how it had infiltrated the church. In many ways in my heart this is a followup to that. It's the response because wokeism as you know it is a religion uh and it has shown itself to be a pagan religion. Uh, it's interesting because we've talked a lot and Eric, you and I have talked about this in depth over the years. We talk a lot about progressive Christianity and and you know, I think in many ways progressive Christianity is dying. And the reason why it's dying is because Marxism is a parasite and Christianity was the host for a time. And so when Marxism attached itself to Christianity, it was able to be a good short-term host and a vehicle for this kind of Marxist infusion into our nation. There's no better distribution center than the church. Walmart is jealous of the distribution center that the church has. It's so good. Um, but long-term, if you if you're going to be a I'm a progressive Christian, well, eventually you're either going to push more into your Marxism and realize that it's that it's completely opposed and antichrist and you'll depart from the Christian side of that or you will push to the Christian side of that and you'll realize that it's antithetical to the teachings of of Marxism and woke ideology. So what happened is Marxism needed a new vehicle and that vehicle very quickly showed itself to be paganism. So what we are seeing is we're seeing a critical blend. This is not the old paganism just people talking about Odin and and Zeus and you know some Norse god or something like that. This is a hybridization of it's a critical paganism. it has Marxist um uh uh parasitical ties all over it and and many times also kind of this this uh you know sexual deviant expressions that are there. So we're seeing, you know, books written like queer magic where it is this Marxist identity that, you know, we are a um uh uh we're an oppressed people as, you know, these divergent sexualities and also as pagans and also as you know, whatever x y and z, you know, uh iteration they want to have on that and it's able unlike Christianity. Christianity is is rigid in a way. We have a we have a book. We have objective morality. We have absolute truth. We have one true God. Uh but but paganism allows for that diversity that Marxism supports and it takes it in whatever direction somebody wants. It becomes a true choose your own adventure. And this is why it's so insidious and why it's leading a lot of people into uh just massive deception. And the church really has to wake up and and understand this if we're going to deal with it fully. Well, it's f it's fascinating, right? Because evil doesn't care what it uses. It'll use whatever it can use, whatever it can find to do evil and to spread evil. And so, um, yeah, where are people today? What are they looking for? Evil finds its way in there. And you're right, churches are the big distribution system. And so we've had a lot of pastors who were ignorant enough to open themselves up to the BLM lunacy, to the critical race theory, inviting purveyors of uh critical race theory into their churches to tell everybody about if white guilt or what. I mean, all of this foul stuff came into churches because pastors didn't have the ability to say, "Wait a minute, wait a minute. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm against racism, but I am not for this. this is wicked and and so we're living in difficult times and to navigate them we need uh the right voices and so that's why I'm glad you wrote this book and again folks it's called pagan threat pagan threat uh confronting America's godless uprising and it's funny um Lucas because when you mentioned the churches being the biggest distribution centers I'm writing a book now on the American Revolution which will come out next year and I'll tell you it's so fascinating the church in America in the 13 colonies was preaching liberty. It it it was the distribution center for the ideas that led to the American Revolution. And the the British elites despised many of the clergy because they knew the clergy were at the forefront of this these ideas of liberty uh of of of natural rights, all this stuff that the pastors got and they were the distribution system. And so churches can be the distribution system of good stuff and bad stuff. Um or a little bit of both. And we're seeing that right now because as you said, so many churches kind of jumped onto this in 2020, 2021. They were kind of pushing out this garbage. And thank the Lord that many people have realized, okay, I got to get out of that church. Uh and they've gotten out of those churches and and and that heroic pastors have stood up and those churches are uh more and more people are coming to them. I mean, the LMUS test today, uh, after what just happened with Charlie, uh, is is your church willing to stick its neck out and to say, "Yeah, we condemn this. We mean, if if your church isn't willing even to do that, wow." Like, I don't know why you're going to that church. That's kind of amazing to me. We're going to go to another uh break here, folks. I also say the film Letter to the American Church. If you go to the website letter totheamericchurch.com, Charlie is prominently featured in that. TPUSA was involved in producing that. Go to that website, Letter of the American Church. Uh the film, tell your pastor, "We need to screen this in our church." Uh and if he doesn't want to do it, find another church. Welcome back, folks. Um talking to my friend Lucas Miles. His brand new book is Pagan Threat: Confronting America's Godless Uprising. And I again, you know, uh, Lucas, it is so hard to believe that a week ago Charlie was alive and doing what he was doing, and now suddenly we're in this, we're in another reality. >> You know, I was with Charlie um probably just just almost maybe a week to the day of his death. Um, and we were at Dream City Church. He was getting ready to leave for Asia for a quick trip over there to preach in Korea and Japan. Um, had a massive opportunity to share the gospel there. And I uh I was a little bit under the weather and I was trying to give Charlie space cuz I didn't want to I didn't want to get him sick or anything right before he left. But you know, so we were we were talking and it was right before he went on stage and he was doing the opening part of what we call Freedom Night in America at Dream City Church in Phoenix. A great church if anybody's in that area. And and then he was going to hand off to me. We had Nathan Finocchio there and then I kind of finished the interview in time with Nathan in uh in front of the the church. And the last thing that Charlie said to me was he was just talking about how proud he was of the pastor summit that we did in California uh with we had 600 pastors out there. You were there as one of the speakers. Um and he's like, you know, he's like, "Lucas, you killed it at that event." He's like, "I'm so proud of you." And then the last time that we talked um was was just over text. It was right after he had I had shared some things with him about his trip to Japan that I really felt strongly about and um and he wrote me back and he goes he said he goes Lucas he goes you're never going to believe it. He goes I had I I had a chance to preach to or I had shared the gospel with a massive number of Japanese leaders uh many of who were would have been Buddhists or Shinto or Shinto or something like that. And he was so excited about that moment of sharing the gospel. And the last words I had to him was I I I said I'm you know I said a few things and I said I'm proud of you. And and you know that it's just it's I I'm in this denial phase right now. It's just like I want to pick up the phone and call him and just be like Charlie what do you think about all this? What's going on? Isn't this incredible? Um but Charlie understood better than anybody that you know as we've been talking about that there is a pagan threat in this nation. I pray that you know even in the last few days that we have seen that push back. But I want to give just in the few minutes we have just a couple practical things for people that I lay out in this book because you know uh Charlie was all about it was action for him. It was we got to get something done and I think the church has been we've been complacent for way too long and I think people are understanding that and seeing that now more than ever. Um if we're going to be effective here the church has to take seriously evangelism again. uh we have to actually go out into the gritty places. Charlie told me ear this year over dinner he said if we're not close enough for somebody to punch us then we're not doing evangelism right and and I think that that is just such a great a great you know spirit the grit that he had. Um I think that we have to take seriously technology you know we have churches that are still trying to figure out if they want to do a live stream and the whole while they have every you know young generation person around them is on Tik Tok live and gaming chat rooms. If you you need to figure out how to plant churches in digital spaces and have people sharing the gospel in digital spaces on a regular basis. Uh we have to take seriously I think the role of the Holy Spirit. Uh churches have treated the Holy Spirit for way too long like he is uh you know that that that weird uncle that you hope doesn't show up to the family reunion. Uh the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity and we need him in our churches. There's a reason why people are are pursuing uh the occult and magic and all these other pagan ideologies because they're hungry for spiritual power and connection. And the only true place to find that is the Holy Spirit of God. And so we have to get serious about these things. I have a sevenstep plan in this book. Uh but >> we're we're out of time just for today. I want to hold you over and we'll play uh we're going to put on YouTube and we'll play it uh in the next couple of days. But folks, the book is Pagan Threat by Lucas Miles. If your church is not involved, go to tpusaf faith.com. God bless you. As you know, I'm friends with Lucas Miles, who's the pastor, who's the head of TPUSA Faith, uh who is a friend of Charlie's. Um he has a book out, um called Pagan Threat: Confronting America's Godless Uprising with a forward by Charlie Kirk, our dear dear dear friend. Um, Lucas, uh, welcome. >> Thank you, brother. Appreciate that. >> What What do you want to say about that we weren't able to talk about the last time about your book and about where we are in the nation at this time? >> You know, um, a lot of people have referred to Charlie and we've seen this all over the news, you know, uh, you know, you hear words like he's provocative or he's a, you know, conservative activist. And uh I don't think any of those things are really the the best way to describe Charlie. I think the best way to describe Charlie is he's he was a Christian. He was a disciple of the Lord Jesus. To be a Christian means that you stand up for the truth. To be a Christian means that you are willing to um put your own life in danger for the sake of the gospel. To be a Christian means that you're going to say things that are going to be an offense to people who are in rebellion of, you know, to God and and who are um, you know, uh, uh, living their lives counter to the truth. Charlie was a Christian. That's the best way to describe him. And and I think that, you know, of of everything he did, he showed us that uh, you know, what it looks like really to follow Christ, to give it all. He talked I mean all the videos coming out I mean of just how it's it's eerie how many times people asked him about the risk and the you know um uh the the threats uh the threat of death and and you know and every time it's just like it doesn't matter this is what we do this is where we go. Um Charlie uh one thing that he understood is he understood how to develop an apologetic for Christianity to properly defend the faith. And in this new book, Pagan Threat, um really in that spirit and obviously long before I had any inclination that this is going to be the situation that we are going to find ourselves in or the the the uh conditions at which my book would be released in, um I I set out to really write what I call a new apology for the church of tomorrow as we move forward confronting this pagan threat, this pagan threat that killed our friend Charlie Kirk. So I I I go through this book and try to lay out a plan of what does it look like in the same way that the early church developed um what is known as an apology. Not a I'm telling you know not I'm saying I'm sorry the way we think of the word apology today but a a a defense of the faith that we have people like Jerome and Justin Martyr in church history that defended Christianity against a pagan Roman state and Charlie did that so well. Uh, and I hope to honor him with this book. Um, to really be able to help empower this generation to stand up the way that he did and to live their lives with that new apology as we are the church of tomorrow. >> And I I want to I just want to throw in here two two things because because I'm Greek uh and because I run something called Socrates in the city. We we've heard of Socrates apology. The word apology, the Greek word apology is apoa. Loya are words. Apo is of the preposition of. So it's of words. In other words, a defense through words and argument and discussion and reasoning. A defense in words. So an apology is really actually an explanation. So when you hear you know apologetics it's about explanation with words giving a defense in words of the faith and so that is what apologetics is uh and that is it when when when we talk about the apology of Socrates he was giving a defense of his life and as Christians we need to understand what we believe is reasonable is rational is true it's something we can talk about I can't argue you into believing but maybe can help with with words and so apoa as a card carrying member of the tribe of Greeks I can say uh it means it means with words of words so always important because so many times people like I don't get it why are we apologizing we're not apologizing we're explaining that's what an apology is so keep going so the book is pagan threat confronting America's godless uprising you were talking last time we were together about the Holy Spirit >> and you and I understand this >> we don't have a um some desiccated theology. We we we worship a living God who's alive who wants to speak to us and and communicate with us and that can look like different things, but we need to be open to that to the power of the Holy Spirit. >> Absolutely. I mean, look, ration and and logic and reason, these are all great tools, but um we can't do anything really effectively without the Holy Spirit. I and I think this is something that Charlie, you know, truly understood. good. I mean, he's the epitome of the the logical thinker who can just rationally, you know, go through and just, you know, uh um uh really just um I mean, nobody could prove him wrong. I mean, right. That that's the whole the whole nature of what he was going around. He was never actually >> And by the way, by the way, that's why they said he was provocative. You're you're provocative when people can't shut you up and when they can't win a debate, they they say, "Well, he's a provocator." Yeah, he's provocative because instead of saying, "Oh, yeah, you're right. maybe I need to change my thinking. You just get angry. Uh and so that's why >> counter to the truth. The truth is provocative to you, but it shouldn't be. When we hear the truth, it should be like, oh, you know, if you're lost in a desert and you have no idea where you're going, and somebody comes up to you and says, hey, I'm here to help you this way to, you know, a nice oasis here where we can get you saved and refreshed and everything else. Your response would not be, you know, how dare you say that to me and start arguing with them. If you don't know where you're going, you would gladly go. The only person who finds somebody guiding them to safety as provocative is the person who does not want to be found. And unfortunately, we have a lot of people who are living in rebellion who do not want to be found. And and Charlie was an affront and offense to them as a result of that. Uh but it was not because of his message that he was shared. It was because of the condition of their hearts. There are so many people um I think mainly of young men but all kinds of people who the death of Charlie is really causing them to think in a way they've never thought before and to be has a plan for me. What a beautiful thing uh that that this young man Charlie Kirk was out there reasoning with people. And again, if you knew Charlie the way you did, the way I did, you knew what a dear soul he was. So to kind of pro portray him as some have who are ignorant and confused, oh, he was a provocator. Uh he was race baiting. He was homoph that that is just those are lies. And again, folks, there are a lot of people out there, they're deluded. I mean, when Stephen King writes that Charlie wanted a stone gaze, like, do you understand how insane that that's so insane? Stephen King actually believed that. He actually believed that Rosie O'Donnell actually they actually believed this. Now, this is not a reason to hate them, but it's a reason to pray for them because they really believe this. They're that lost. They don't understand what a kind soul Charlie was and how, you know, they people have said vicious things about me. They're just they're just not true. What are you gonna do? People believe it and they hate you based on something that's not true. So, but I think a lot of people just because of the death of Charlie, they're being caused to say like maybe I missed something. So, they're watching videos. Um, the timing of your writing this book, of course, this is God's timing. Uh, it's called Pagan Threat: Confronting America's Godless Uprising. And that's what we're seeing right now is we're seeing evil. Um we've got less than a minute. Just final thoughts uh on the book. >> You know, you mentioned young men waking up and that's something that Charlie was very very passionate about and I actually address this in the book. Uh the the challenge is we're seeing young men become more conservative. When you look at their role models, it's people like Charlie Kirk, u you know, uh Jordan Peterson, uh you know, it's the the Joe Rogan of the world. There's a lot of younger uh conservative guys that have, you know, a Christian worldview or at least starting to explore Christian ideas that they've been able to look to. But for women, it's much different. Younger females have been really sucked into a pagan worldview. you start thinking about Beyonce and Taylor Swift and and you know uh uh people like you know Sabrina Carpenter and all these different you know uh you know uh figures that are out there Nicki Minaj and a lot of these are people who have talked about their own you know um experimentation with the occult and pagan practices and so young women disproportionately are being affected by this pagan threat. Uh I think where guys are becoming more conservative. Again those are stereotypes. It doesn't mean everybody I'm hoping that even the events of this last week are going to wake a lot of people up. Uh, but we have to understand the pagan threat that's out there. And if we can't understand why it's happening, we're not going to know what to do about it. >> We're out of time. Lucas Miles, thank you. The book is Pagan Threat. God bless you.
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