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Lance Wallnau Interviews Charlie Kirk on Mobilizing Young Conservatives, School Board Activism, and Turning Point Faith Initiative
Lance Wallnau sits down with Charlie Kirk at a young women's conservative event in Dallas, Texas, where thousands gathered to hear a message rarely found on college campuses. Charlie discusses his strategy of showing up unannounced at school board meetings across the country, the launch of Turning Point Faith to find and encourage a thousand modern-day Dietrich Bonhoeffers, and why boundaries produce prosperity. From challenging corporate monopolies to equipping pastors with resources on critical race theory and transgender ideology, Charlie explains why he deleted Twitter, what he wants people praying for, and how a well-organized minority can carve through chaos to create something powerful.
The Young Conservative Women's Summit in Dallas
Lance Wallnau opens by describing an electrifying scene in Dallas, Texas—thousands of young conservative Christian women gathering for an event that exceeded expectations. Charlie Kirk notes they reached 200 young conservative women at the summit, and could have made it even larger. The atmosphere represents something rarely seen in secular culture or on college campuses: young women hungry for order in the midst of chaos.
Charlie identifies what resonates with this generation: clarity about eternal values, empiricism over abstractions, and a vision for building something that outlasts individual lives. He emphasizes the importance of meaningful relationships with the Creator, followed by building families—the foundation of how civilizations continue. This message stands in stark contrast to what young people encounter in secular social media and educational institutions.
Showing Up Unannounced at School Board Meetings
Charlie reveals his new strategy of appearing randomly at school board meetings across the country, starting with Chandler Unified School District. He refuses to be someone who merely complains without taking action, stating he tries to practice what he preaches. After getting married and taking time off, he committed to attending school boards throughout the summer, never announcing his presence in advance.
Lance observes a pattern emerging across the country, particularly in Southlake, where mobilized parents successfully flipped school boards, county commissions, and mayoral offices. He attributes this grassroots surge to frustration following the November 3rd election experience. Charlie agrees, noting that school boards have become the platform where pent-up frustration finds expression—a sandbox for airing grievances about vaccines, masks, critical race theory, and transgender policies.
The key insight: school boards represent a place where ordinary citizens can make meaningful differences, unlike writing letters to congressmen or posting on Facebook. Lance emphasizes that while 70% of Americans tend toward conservative values and aren't natural protesters, they transform into fierce activists when their children are threatened. When mothers realize their sons and daughters are being propagandized, the maternal instinct creates commandos out of soccer moms.
Fighting the Evil of Judging by Skin Color
Charlie articulates a fundamental moral principle: it is evil to judge people based on something they cannot control. He draws a parallel to how society treats people with disabilities—we recognize they cannot control their condition. This same principle built Western civilization, yet it's being violated in schools where children face shame based on melanin content.
The conversation turns to critical race theory, with Charlie comparing Nicole Hannah-Jones of the 1619 Project to historical figures like John C. Calhoun and Nathan Bedford Forrest—all three sharing middle names and all teaching that skin color matters. Charlie's conclusion is simple and direct: if you think skin color matters, you're a racist. Lance notes the challenge is framing the outrage effectively, as many Americans dismiss reports of what's happening in schools as too evil to be real, assuming it must be an SNL prank.
The Charlie Kirk Show and Staying Free from Cancel Culture
Lance asks how people can follow Charlie's work, and Charlie directs listeners to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast, available on every phone's podcast app. He mentions that Lance has been a guest and will likely appear again. Charlie then shares a revealing anecdote about his relationship with controversy and criticism.
When told he was trending on Twitter, Charlie's response was that it felt the same as when he didn't know he was trending. He deleted Twitter from his phone and refuses to care about what people say about him online, including pastors who criticize him publicly but never call him directly. His philosophy: he cares what people he actually cares about say—his wife, close friends, and co-workers. This rejection of reputational damage concerns allows him to live a free and full life by simply telling the truth.
Lance predicts that pastors defending the transgender agenda, racial division, and open borders will face pushback from their own congregations. Charlie expresses hope for this development, while Lance calls it "pastor disaster"—setting themselves up for problems with their own people.
The Church as America's Safety Net Through History
Charlie introduces the seven mountains concept that Lance champions—academia, business, government, media, arts, family/education, and church. When asked where to make the greatest impact, Charlie identifies the church as the institution that has saved America every time the nation has fallen. He uses the illustration of a trust fall, where someone falls backward trusting others to catch them. The church has always been there to catch America in that trust fall.
Throughout American history, from the founding through the First, Second, and Third Great Awakenings, to Billy Graham's Fourth Great Awakening, the church provided the moral foundation for national renewal. Charlie highlights an often-forgotten aspect of Billy Graham's ministry: he didn't start as the fatherly figure of the 1970s and '80s crusades. He began as an apocalyptic prophetic voice warning about dangers to the American experience if it didn't align with God's purposes through Jesus Christ.
Billy Graham spoke powerfully against socialism and communism, calling communism "Satan's religion." In sermons from the 1950s, Graham identified communism's god as materialism and sexual indulgence, contrasting it with the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ. This clear preaching prevented America from falling to secular socialism during that era and enabled the eventual defeat of the Soviet Union.
Ronald Reagan's Theological Battle Against the Soviet Union
Charlie gives Ronald Reagan credit often overlooked by historians who focus solely on economics. Reagan declared a theological debate in 1982-1984, traveling the world to articulate a simple distinction: we believe in God and they don't. We believe in an eternal transcendent order and they don't, and we're going to win because of that.
Reagan liberated Americans to view the Soviet geopolitical struggle as a transcendent battle between the divine and materialistic darkness attempting to establish an earthly kingdom without God. America won that struggle. However, Charlie identifies the 1990s as a period of catastrophic mistakes following the Soviet Union's fall.
He describes the "Four Horsemen of the '90s": mass immigration legislation passed by George H.W. Bush in partnership with Ted Kennedy bringing 1.9 million people annually into the country; NAFTA ratification in 1994; the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999; and China's entry into the World Trade Organization in 2001. Instead of recommitting to American excellence, family, and national identity, the country pursued cheap profits, cheap money, cheap plastic, and cheap pleasure from China and abroad.
The Naivety of Engaging China
Lance addresses the ideological naivety of believing engagement with China would democratize the Chinese Communist Party. Instead of reforming China, America funded its rise to power—inviting the tiger into the tent. Charlie connects this to faulty logic in the faith community, where some believe ideological enemies can be won by establishing conditions for acceptance and proliferation.
Lance frames this as attempting to "love Hitler into a change of disposition towards Poland"—a strategy doomed to fail. He identifies the church's domination by "lovers" who want peace at any price, like Neville Chamberlain. What's needed are more Churchills—mobilizing words as battalions to align armies and take the battle to enemy strongholds. Beyond lovers and warriors, the movement needs statesmen willing to fund the fight.
A private frustration emerges: while the left enjoys abundant funding, conservatives struggle to secure resources for the most crucial battles of the generation. Charlie agrees that organizations like Turning Point USA demonstrate measurable impact, but breaking through to the faith community remains challenging.
Turning Point Faith: Finding a Thousand Dietrich Bonhoeffers
Charlie announces he has spoken at over 60 churches in the past year, initially by accident since churches were among the only places open during lockdowns. This experience revealed a real movement within faith communities. He takes time to praise good pastors including Rob McCoy, Jack Hibbs, James Kaddis, Pastor Jurgen, the Barnetts, and Ken Graves—leaders who warmly embraced him and want to join the coalition.
The vision for Turning Point Faith may be foolishly optimistic, but Charlie has been called that before. The goal: find and encourage a thousand Dietrich Bonhoeffers. Not train or create them, but find and encourage them. This two-fold mission—find and encourage—represents the strategy. Charlie chooses the Bonhoeffer example deliberately because of the circumstances of tyranny he faced and his willingness to sacrifice everything, ultimately his life, for God's purpose on earth.
Lance suggests using Martin Luther instead for branding purposes, since Bonhoeffer's martyrdom isn't the greatest sales pitch. But Charlie insists on honesty about cost—it may require our lives, though we're all eventually going to heaven anyway. Bonhoeffer exemplifies willingness to sacrifice everything for God's purpose, and his name will be mentioned as long as humans have breath.
Freedom Square and Resources for Pastors
Charlie introduces Freedom Square, a program held the first Tuesday of every month at Dream City Church (formerly Phoenix First Assembly under Tommy Barnett, now led by Luke Barnett). Two thousand people have attended for two consecutive months, and the vision is to export and empower pastors to replicate this model in their own communities.
Freedom Square focuses on local issues and their intersection with the Bible. Pastor Jurgen at Awaken Church, Jack Hibbs, Rob McCoy, and Steve Smotherman at his large Albuquerque church are all implementing this model. The goal is hundreds of churches hosting similar gatherings. What makes Turning Point Faith different is the approach: instead of asking churches for money, they ask pastors how Turning Point can help them.
Charlie identifies the number one problem pastors face according to Barna research: navigating the minefield of current issues like transgender ideology and critical race theory. Pastors risk losing congregants without gaining new ones, so they need practical guidance. Turning Point Faith will provide easy-to-print, downloadable sermon resources on these issues—similar to what Rick Warren used to offer on grace before "going woke."
The mission isn't building a megaplex Christian incorporated empire or taking credit. Charlie simply wants to participate in an energy flow toward the good, raising up leaders willing to take courageous stands. He encourages young conservatives to approach their pastors requesting Turning Point Faith to visit their church, and when pastors say no, to ask again.
Taking Rush Limbaugh's Time Slot on WABC
Lance, who once lived in Long Island and listened to WABC while working as a Fortune 500 consultant in Babylon, expresses excitement that Charlie now occupies Rush Limbaugh's time slot on the legendary New York station. The Charlie Kirk Show now broadcasts on over 100 stations across the country in addition to the podcast. Charlie acknowledges feeling the pressure of this responsibility and asks for prayer.
When asked what people should pray for, Charlie requests three things: wisdom, protection, and clarity. Lance commits the audience to covering these areas in prayer, then launches into a lightning round of quotes from Charlie that staff members captured.
Purpose Comes from Telos
Charlie explains that purpose derives from the Greek word "telos," meaning "far out in the distance, that which is worth aiming for"—the root of "telescope." Young people in America suffer from a lack of purpose, not knowing why they're here or what they're doing. They're fed depressing secular nihilistic messages that they exist by random chance, weren't designed for purpose, and have no end goal.
A renewal of purpose through a biblical worldview becomes imperative. Charlie emphasizes that it's what you don't do that gives fulfillment—the wise restraints that keep you free. This Harvard Law School quote captures a truth opposite to secular culture's message. True freedom comes from restraint.
What you choose not to do actually preserves freedom: not taking harmful substances, not associating with destructive friends, not engaging in promiscuous relationships. Young people need to understand that moral restraints and boundaries produce true freedom. The Ten Commandments exemplify this—many are negative commandments telling people what not to do: don't murder, don't lie.
Boundaries Save Lives and Produce Prosperity
Lance shares a story about his brother Carl on a construction site roof with their father, an Exxon employee and World War II veteran. Two-year-old Carl walked toward the roof's edge, and their father yelled "Carl, stop!" The child froze instantly due to training and respect for his father's commanding voice. Carl didn't need to understand why—he needed to know the prohibition existed for his survival.
This illustrates the biblical principle: God's boundaries in Scripture exist to save people from pain, not keep them from pleasure. Charlie agrees, emphasizing that boundaries produce prosperity. For young women seeking to date winners and marry men going somewhere, Charlie advises looking for guys with direction, responsibility, purpose, ethics, integrity, and willingness to defend the good and defend them.
Capitalism Versus Corporatism
Charlie distinguishes between capitalism and corporatism, noting the conservative movement lost its way by worshiping corporations for their own sake. He affirms support for free markets, entrepreneurship, people starting something from nothing, and private property rights—which he views as directly linked to freedom and what separates conservatives from the socialist left.
However, he doesn't view Amazon's growth rate as positive. Amazon functions as a Democrat super PAC with package redistribution centers that establish operations near communities like Fountain Hills, Texas, then leverage their position as the number one job producer to influence local government and school boards. They threaten to shut down plants if communities don't implement preferred policies on transgender issues.
This represents cultural invasion disguised as job creation, especially concerning given that 40% of small businesses shut down. America de-industrialized Main Street, imported cheap products from China, and replaced local economies with quick delivery systems. These new job centers take hyperaggressive secular stances on life, gender, and identity issues, then use economic leverage to implement agendas conservatives oppose.
Lance references Victor Davis Hanson's observation that traditional conservative retreat zones—the military and corporations—have been compromised. Wall Street once aligned with Republicans while Democrats represented unions. Donald Trump flipped this dynamic, representing middle class and working class Americans against big elites, who then closed ranks to destroy him.
Breaking Up Social Media Monopolies
Charlie advocates for breaking up large technology companies, acknowledging this isn't a free market position. However, he argues these companies don't believe in free markets either—Google wants total monopoly and doesn't want competition. The question becomes: why do we value free markets? For human flourishing. Why do we like limited government? Because we oppose concentrated power.
The same logic applies to Google—we should oppose their excessive power. The common denominator is preventing small groups from accumulating too much power. When they use that power for evil, standing against them becomes imperative. Lance connects this to Theodore Roosevelt's trust-busting against Rockefeller and Carnegie, suggesting America wants similar action against today's oligarchs.
In revolutionary chaotic times, opportunities emerge. Lance mentions Lenin, and Charlie provides historical context: many historians now believe Lenin was released from German prison and sent on a train to Russia specifically to break the Eastern front of World War I. The Germans needed to soften the Eastern line by revolutionizing Russia. The strategy worked in 1917.
The point both men emphasize: in times of chaos and revolution, a well-organized minority can carve through disorder to create something revolutionary and powerful. Charlie Kirk leads exactly this kind of movement and energy.
Getting Connected and Supporting the Mission
People can follow Charlie through the Charlie Kirk Show podcast, visit tpusa.com or charliekirk.com, and contribute financially if they feel compelled. Charlie downplays fundraising, stating he's not present to ask for money but to spread good ideas. His upcoming book carries the working title "The College Scam"—characteristically direct and guaranteed not to win friends among higher education administrators.
Lance closes by urging prayer for Charlie Kirk, who faces tremendous pressure. The priorities remain clear: wisdom, protection, and clarity. Above financial support or social media following, the most important action is committing to courageous action consistent with the gospel of Jesus Christ, especially in the public square. In Lance's words, the more knowledge people have, the better equipped they are to navigate the world.
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