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Categories: Interviews
June 7, 2019

Charlie Kirk joins Jesse Kelly and Brandon Tatum on The News and Why It Matters to discuss China as America's greatest threat, the tariff strategy, and the often-ignored male perspective on abortion. Kirk argues for intensifying pressure on China while the economy is strong, calling it a matter of courage over political convenience. Tatum shares his personal story of nearly losing his son to abortion and challenges men to take responsibility. The conversation addresses economic risks, Hollywood's Chinese influence, and why the left has made abortion their defining issue.

China: America's Greatest Threat

Charlie Kirk opens the discussion by identifying China as the greatest enemy to the United States and Western civilization. He praises President Trump's approach to holding China accountable through trade policy after years of unchecked expansion. According to Kirk, China has been stealing intellectual property, hacking cyber infrastructure, building islands in the South China Sea, and purchasing influence across sub-saharan Africa and South America.

Kirk emphasizes that he supports free markets but argues that the tariff conversation needs reframing. He suggests he would rather see a five percent tariff on China paired with lower income taxes than continue the current arrangement. For Kirk, this is not just about economics but about confronting a nation that has total contempt for American values, including religious freedom and individual liberty.

The Courage of Trump's Tariff Strategy

Jesse Kelly weighs in, calling Trump's tariff implementation one of the bravest things he has seen a sitting president do. With the economy booming heading into reelection, the politically safe move would be to coast. Instead, Trump chose to confront China on an issue he has championed for decades, demonstrating his commitment regardless of political cost.

Kelly clarifies that hammering tariffs on China is not anti-free trade but rather renegotiating a contract to get better terms. He points out that China needs the United States more than America needs China, making this the right time to apply pressure.

Brandon Tatum agrees, noting that as someone who has done business globally, Trump understands how processes work and is a master negotiator. Tatum appreciates that the president is doing what he believes is right for America rather than what is politically advantageous.

China's Influence on American Culture

The panel discusses how China is already buying influence in Hollywood. Because major studios market their movies to Chinese audiences, it has become nearly impossible to produce a pro-America, anti-China film. This cultural influence extends beyond entertainment into how Americans perceive the threat China poses.

Kirk criticizes Joe Biden for discounting the Chinese threat, noting that Biden's son has financial connections to China through his fund. Biden has called the Chinese "great people," which Kirk finds despicable given that China has imprisoned ten million Muslims, instituted a social credit score for citizens, and maintains no religious freedom. Kirk points out that atheism is the number one religious viewpoint in China, where Christians face persecution.

Economic Risks and Political Courage

When asked about recession risks before the election, Kirk acknowledges that tariffs could create economic discomfort and that markets may react adversely. However, he argues this demonstrates the president's courage. No other president would pick a fight with China before a reelection campaign. Trump is willing to pay a political price if necessary because he believes it is what is best for the country.

Kirk reflects on American consumer habits, noting that he personally has purchased excessive amounts of products made in China that he does not even use. He suggests he would be willing to have half as much and pay a little more if items were manufactured in America, rather than funding the rise of America's greatest enemy.

The panel notes that both Bush administrations, Clinton, and Obama all ignored China, allowing it to become a powerful force. Trump represents a departure from that pattern, choosing confrontation over accommodation.

Male Responsibility in the Abortion Debate

Brandon Tatum shifts the conversation to abortion, specifically addressing the male perspective that is often missing from the debate. He argues that abortion prevents men from holding up their end of the obligation, allowing young men to have sex with women without taking responsibility. Instead of expecting women to handle the situation alone or terminate the pregnancy, Tatum believes young men should be responsible for their children from cradle to grave.

Tatum shares his personal story of nearly losing his son to abortion. When his son's mother became pregnant, they went to Planned Parenthood, which Tatum thought was a women's health program. At the front door, she told him she was having an abortion, not just finding out how far along she was. Tatum sat in the lobby and prayed, and ultimately she was unable to go through with the procedure. His son is now eight years old and looks just like him.

Tatum emphasizes that abortion affects not just the character and behavior of women but also the character and behavior of men. It takes two people to create a pregnancy, and men cannot simply walk away hoping for an abortion. Some women have abortions because they were put in that position by men who refused to stay and take care of their children.

The Misrepresentation of Abortion

Charlie Kirk comments on the media's misrepresentation of abortion statistics. He notes that in Florida, approximately 92 percent of all abortions are for selective reasons, not for rape, incest, or life-threatening situations. The entire conversation has been based on exceptions rather than the rule, with abortion becoming a form of birth control when it was originally sold to the American people as safe, legal, and rare.

Kirk highlights a striking statistic from New York City: a black woman who is pregnant has a higher likelihood of getting an abortion than having the baby. The abortion rate is higher than the birth rate, meaning if you see a pregnant black woman in New York City, there is a higher percentage chance she will go to Planned Parenthood than the delivery room.

Kirk questions how society has accepted that the black community's birth rate has stagnated for 50 years. He reflects on the countless lives, dreams, and potential contributions that have disappeared. These are individuals who could have done incredible things, but their lives were ended for reasons he finds unacceptable.

Personal Stories and Exceptions

Brandon Tatum shares another personal story about his grandmother, who was raped at 12 years old and had his mother. Tatum reflects that if abortion had been available and chosen in that case, neither he nor his mother nor his brother would exist. His grandparents eventually forgave his grandfather for what he did. Tatum argues that society needs to return to the standard that it is not the child's fault if their father is a scumbag who raped the mother. The child deserves life.

Tatum points to Dr. Ben Carson as an example. Carson's mother could not even read and was not ready for a child, but she pushed through and gave life to one of the most brilliant neurosurgeons in history. The next person who could cure a disease or change the world might be among those whose lives are ended by abortion.

Tatum argues that society must come to a conclusion: is abortion murder or not? If it is not murder, then there is no need for it to be rare and people can have as many as they want. But if it is murder, which Tatum believes it is, then society should not be participating in it ever.

The Left's Radical Turn on Abortion

Jesse Kelly observes that the left has gone completely radical on abortion, even refusing to condemn infanticide. He predicts this will eventually blow up in their face, though it will take time. Kelly argues that leftists have never valued the individual, whether at birth, in old age, or in the prime of life. Everyone exists to serve the state rather than to live.

This is why atheism is so prevalent in China and other state-run places, and why atheism is common in communist societies. Instead of looking at an individual as a unique life breathed by God—whether they cure cancer or lay bricks for a living—leftists view people only in terms of their service to the state. If you do not have value to the state, you do not matter.

Charlie Kirk adds that people accuse him of being anti-woman for his pro-life stance, but he asks what about the women who were aborted? If on average half of pregnancies result in female babies, that means approximately 30 million women have been aborted.

Men Must Lead on Life

Jesse Kelly argues that abortion and feminism represent a failure of men, not women. It is a failure of men to lead. The more the left and feminism have gained a foothold in the country, the more abortions have occurred. This is not an accident. Men should be leading on the issue instead of being intimidated into silence. Men do have a say because that life, whether in a woman's body or not, is partly theirs. As men, it is their job to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

Kelly observes that abortion drives the left more than any other issue. While they get angry about many topics, abortion is unique. There is no dialogue, no willingness to discuss, just anger. The issue has become their religion.

Young Women's Leadership Summit

The conversation takes place at the Young Women's Leadership Summit in Dallas, Texas, hosted by Turning Point USA. Charlie Kirk notes that this is the largest Young Women's Leadership Summit for conservatives ever in the history of the country, with 1,300 young women in attendance and standing room only. Brandon Tatum delivered a speech earlier that day that brought down the house. Kirk encourages anyone in the Dallas area to attend the remaining days of programming by visiting the Turning Point USA website.

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[00:07] welcome to the news and why it matters I

[00:09] am so excited we have an epic epic show

[00:12] for you this afternoon we have got all

[00:14] special guests charlie Kirk founder and

[00:17] president of Turning Point USA thank you

[00:20] so much for being here we've got mr.

[00:21] Jesse Kelly himself the man the myth the

[00:23] legend in this list yes and we've got

[00:26] Brandon Tatum also a turning point USA

[00:28] who just had an amazing speech earlier

[00:30] at the Young Women's Leadership Summit

[00:33] we heard you brought down the house so

[00:35] whoever did not catch it I'm sure it

[00:38] will be available online and he's got

[00:39] the coolest hat out there everyone's got

[00:41] to go go yeah yeah it can use mega hat

[00:43] right yeah so I want to make sure that

[00:45] everyone can tell you think that it's

[00:48] just a hat right oh it's just a red hat

[00:50] oh no it's not it's set it says mega on

[00:53] it yeah the purpose of it is for people

[00:54] to have an opportunity to go out and

[00:56] support the president without feeling

[00:57] like then you get knocked upside the

[00:58] head of there's a full speed knee and so

[01:01] we tried to give an alternative I'm not

[01:03] saying it's nothing wrong with being

[01:04] bold but this is a sleek version of mega

[01:07] supporters and also just a side note

[01:09] it's kind of sad that that's where we're

[01:10] at today it is it is very sad you have

[01:12] to hide your support and resident in the

[01:14] country seems kind of backwards

[01:16] good all right charlie so what is the

[01:18] top story for you today well just more

[01:21] broadly and generally I really have my

[01:23] eyes and I talked to senator Marsha

[01:24] Blackburn yesterday about this just on

[01:27] China and I think that China is an issue

[01:29] that we've ignored for so long and I

[01:32] consider trying to be at the greatest

[01:34] enemy to the United States and greatest

[01:35] enemy to Western civilization and I love

[01:38] what the president is doing hold holding

[01:39] China in check and just kind of how we

[01:41] are kind of recalibrating our entire

[01:43] approach through China through trade I

[01:45] think is so important I mean they've

[01:46] been stealing our stealing Lara our IP

[01:48] hacking our cyber grid building islands

[01:51] in South China Sea taking over almost

[01:52] all of sub-saharan Africa and South

[01:55] South America and they've gone unchecked

[01:57] for far too long and so yeah just more

[01:59] broadly and generally how you know China

[02:01] needs to have a bigger focal point and

[02:02] attention put towards it okay

[02:04] all right Jesse I'm also interested in

[02:06] that part of the world but actually

[02:07] Japan they've got a high-heel situation

[02:09] over there some of the workers are

[02:11] protesting about the work

[02:13] I'm saying they need to wear high heels

[02:14] I think it's important that Japan the

[02:17] Bushido code and all that stick with

[02:19] their tradition of making people wear

[02:20] high heels because no one wants to see

[02:22] women at work in flats I almost took

[02:27] this yeah you're gonna learn real quick

[02:30] this guy is hardly ever serious all

[02:33] right Brandon what's here me is this the

[02:35] overarching idea from the left people

[02:37] like Joe Biden who are pushing abortions

[02:40] in this country and I think that a lot

[02:42] of the conversation is not being put on

[02:44] demand and and and what I spoke about in

[02:47] my speech today was that abortions

[02:49] although it has a tremendous effect on

[02:51] women but it prevents men from holding

[02:53] their end of the obligation that young

[02:56] men can go out and have sex with women

[02:58] and and not have responsibility they

[03:00] expect a young woman to go out and be on

[03:02] their own or have an abortion and I

[03:03] don't think that's right I think that

[03:05] young men should be responsible if you

[03:07] want to lay down there you should take

[03:08] care of your child from the cradle all

[03:09] the way to the grave that should be your

[03:11] responsibility and I think that the the

[03:13] conversation continues to push women

[03:16] into this this type of lifestyle that I

[03:19] don't think it's conducive and I don't

[03:20] think it's appropriate obviously a lot

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[04:29] right Charlie you obviously believe that

[04:32] we should be very cautious about about

[04:36] China and what they're doing in our

[04:37] approach to them I want to ask you first

[04:40] there's been a lot of pushback on the

[04:43] tariffs that Trump has implemented on

[04:45] what would you say to people who are

[04:47] critical of of his tariffs and we need

[04:49] to intensify them and ramp them up

[04:51] further this is the last chance we have

[04:53] to hold China in check I mean would you

[04:54] want tariffs or do you want missiles and

[04:56] I'm not being overly dramatic in saying

[04:57] that China wants a full-fledged takeover

[04:59] of our country and civilization as we

[05:01] know it

[05:02] first look how they're running their own

[05:03] country they're putting Muslims in

[05:05] prison they're instituting a social

[05:06] credit score total censorship of their

[05:08] own citizens it's really scary what's

[05:11] going on there

[05:11] they're they're not capitalist they're

[05:13] not communist they're state-run markets

[05:15] where the government can take over

[05:16] anything at any time so that's how

[05:18] they're running their own country and

[05:19] they're expanding they want to take back

[05:20] Taiwan they want to take back Nepal they

[05:23] want to take back all those areas

[05:24] they're building Bay they're building

[05:26] islands in the South China Sea they've

[05:28] purchased most very very vulnerable

[05:29] companies in Africa they've purchased

[05:31] their infrastructure their IT grid

[05:32] they're trying to take over our military

[05:34] technology and our satellites

[05:35] not to mention they've been killing us

[05:37] I'm trade for years killing us I'm a

[05:39] free-market guy I totally am but III

[05:41] just I just kind of find it surprising

[05:44] that we came into a conversation about

[05:46] okay so tariffs we say they're taxes

[05:48] okay fine I I do agree at that but do we

[05:50] want no taxes in our society like do we

[05:52] I'd rather have a five percent tariff

[05:54] for China and lower the income tax like

[05:56] so we I mean if we have taxes I would

[05:58] rather pay have a tear a tariff and some

[06:00] sort with China a country that hates our

[06:02] guts that has total contempt for our way

[06:04] of life no religious freedom no

[06:06] individual freedom think it's long

[06:07] overdue to hold them in check and I'd

[06:09] you want to try to prevent any sort of

[06:11] military escalation Wars the worst thing

[06:13] that can ever happen basically and I

[06:15] think this right now is the last chance

[06:16] we have to hold China in its place

[06:19] before that they become more powerful

[06:21] than we are yeah Jesse you want to weigh

[06:22] in on that well I think to be honest I

[06:24] hit think it's more of the bravest

[06:25] things I've seen a sitting president do

[06:27] was to put tariffs on a country that we

[06:28] import so many goods from because

[06:30] there's no political advantage in that

[06:31] when the economy is booming as it is and

[06:34] Trump's heading into re-election the

[06:35] smart thing to do well the smart

[06:37] political thing to do

[06:38] be to just coast and sit back but it

[06:40] actually shows how much he believes in

[06:42] this is something he's preached on for

[06:43] decades whether you agree with him or

[06:44] not he believes in it all the way and it

[06:47] really is a national security thing it's

[06:49] not anti free trade to hammer tariffs on

[06:51] China

[06:52] he's renegotiating a contract a free

[06:55] trade agreement is not free trade it's a

[06:56] contract he's renegotiating a contract

[06:58] so we can get better terms and they need

[07:01] us more than we need them so screw

[07:02] Branton yeah and it's clear that the

[07:04] president is focused on almost best for

[07:06] America and a businessman that do

[07:09] business globally I trust and believe

[07:11] that he understands how to process work

[07:13] he is a master negotiator so I love the

[07:16] fact that he's standing up strong and I

[07:18] and I really do believe in that the fact

[07:20] that it would be beneficial to America

[07:22] but I'd love to see the president doing

[07:24] things not for political gain but

[07:25] because he believe it's the right thing

[07:27] to do and Biden discounts the threat I

[07:30] mean first of all Biden's son his his

[07:32] fund is funded by the Chinese and gets

[07:34] very little coverage Biden's like all

[07:36] the Chinese they're great people no

[07:37] they're not great people and great

[07:38] people put ten million Muslims in prison

[07:41] that's great people even great people

[07:43] have a social credit score for their

[07:44] citizens you know what the number one

[07:46] religious viewpoint in China is atheism

[07:47] they there's no religious freedom in

[07:50] China

[07:50] I mean Christians are persecuted and

[07:52] under attack and this would Biden calls

[07:53] great people it's despicable and it's

[07:55] kind of this idea that we should just be

[07:57] light on China is wrong we have better

[07:59] ideas and they do we believe in human

[08:01] freedom they don't and if we're if we're

[08:04] not careful they will continue to take

[08:06] over parts of the world and then we'll

[08:07] be weaker because of it well they're

[08:08] buying influence already too when it

[08:10] comes to Hollywood because Hollywood has

[08:12] to market so many of their measures

[08:13] they're all made in China we can't even

[08:15] get a pro America anti-china movie even

[08:17] though they're our main adversary are

[08:19] really our threat in the entire world

[08:21] you can't get a movie out there that's

[08:22] Pro America anti-china cos that

[08:24] hollywood's trying to sell their movies

[08:26] in China and that can influence and this

[08:28] might be an unpopular opinion with

[08:30] people and I had this conversation the

[08:31] free trade guy but I know myself

[08:33] personally I have so much crap in my

[08:35] house I don't even use just piles of

[08:37] clothes and I they're all it's all made

[08:39] in China almost all of it I thought to

[08:41] myself if I had half of this and I paid

[08:43] a little bit more in its manufacturer in

[08:44] America and I wasn't you know funding

[08:46] the rise of the greatest enemy of the 24

[08:48] I'm okay with that

[08:49] you know and and to our farmers I

[08:51] understand

[08:52] they're hurt that they have there but

[08:53] but by the way a small part of their

[08:55] business is actually exports to China

[08:56] small part but ask ourselves what do we

[08:59] buy from China that we need very little

[09:01] what do they buy from us that they need

[09:02] a lot food energy resources intellectual

[09:05] capital and they have a lot of problems

[09:08] there they have a lot of people that

[09:09] live in poverty and their economies a

[09:10] mess our economy is amazing their

[09:12] economy is a mess and so for people that

[09:14] aren't paying attention you know China's

[09:16] the issue to focus on do you worry at

[09:18] all because I'm torn on this I worry

[09:20] that with the tariffs you know Jesse you

[09:24] mentioned the economy's booming right

[09:25] now there's really you know no need to

[09:27] do it on that end I worry that if some

[09:30] sort of recession hits at the right time

[09:33] before the election that it's going to

[09:35] hurt Trump get reelected do you worry at

[09:38] all that the tariffs could kind of

[09:40] snowball into that right before the

[09:41] election it could that just shows the

[09:44] courage the president has he doesn't

[09:45] care no other president would pick a

[09:47] fight with China before in a reelection

[09:48] he's like I want what's best for the

[09:50] country I mean if I get reelected and

[09:52] people see that I do better the country

[09:53] then so be it every other politician

[09:55] including both bushes at Clinton and

[09:57] Obama ignored China they let China

[09:59] become this powerful megaplex and Trump

[10:03] says no more if I have to pay a

[10:04] political price for it so be it he knows

[10:06] the consequences of 25% tariffs he knows

[10:08] that he knows it's not gonna be it's

[10:10] gonna be uncomfortable and markets will

[10:11] react adversely to that and like you

[10:13] said he's we're negotiating a contract

[10:14] he's really good at it do you think the

[10:16] Democrats will have a chance at winning

[10:18] yeah I of course they stand a chance I

[10:21] mean I the handicap the odds and Trump's

[10:22] favor for a lot of different reasons but

[10:25] look I don't think we'll get into

[10:27] recession I don't think that's finally

[10:29] that's in the cards I think the

[10:30] Democrats are hoping for it I've never

[10:31] seen a group of people that want to see

[10:32] America fail more than Democrats yeah I

[10:34] don't think that I would say I don't

[10:35] think they have a chance you know I

[10:37] don't feel like that they're promoting

[10:38] anything as an impartial American

[10:40] citizen they're not promoting anything

[10:42] that that makes me feel confident that

[10:44] they can leave this country and when you

[10:46] look at what Trump is doing you talk

[10:47] about what he's doing in China he's

[10:48] taking a risk anybody in America the

[10:50] entrepreneur spirit of America is taking

[10:53] risks and I would love to see the

[10:54] president do that but these guys gals to

[10:57] me more majority they're more clowns I

[10:59] mean they're literally paddling in the

[11:01] clown car and I don't know what what

[11:03] their expectation is there

[11:05] literally opposing the president at

[11:07] every end if they may agree with his

[11:10] dealings with China they can't say it

[11:12] they can't tell the truth they can't

[11:14] give an equal perspective because they

[11:16] have to fight them an Aryan and I feel

[11:17] like that's going to destroy them

[11:18] completely yeah it's hard when you're

[11:21] the only thing you're running on is

[11:22] impeach nothing well socialism and also

[11:26] impeach well it tells you how much

[11:27] trouble they know they're in I've been

[11:28] telling everybody that's how you know

[11:30] the Democrats know they're in trouble

[11:31] they're not running on anything tangible

[11:33] because we have all these foreign policy

[11:35] wins we have the defeat of Isis which we

[11:37] actually never even talked about it more

[11:38] people forget how big Isis was only two

[11:40] years ago

[11:41] Kali's this is done the economy is

[11:43] booming and so there's an old saying in

[11:45] law even though I went to Community

[11:46] College that if you if you have the

[11:48] truth you pound the truth if you have

[11:50] the facts you pound facts that if you

[11:51] don't have any of that you pound the

[11:52] table and that's what the Democrats are

[11:54] doing right now they're just pounding

[11:55] the table that's why it's all muler and

[11:57] impeach otherwise they'd be running

[11:58] unemployment or anything like that but

[12:00] look it's hard to unseat a sitting

[12:02] president is impossible to unseat one

[12:03] with a good economy yeah Jesse I want to

[12:05] move on to what's going on in Japan

[12:08] maybe the biggest issue in the world

[12:10] right this is a huge issue for you high

[12:12] heels absolutely what I thought well

[12:14] look I mean we just have to have some

[12:16] standards in this world and I understand

[12:18] that women and some men in Japan have

[12:20] joined together to protest a bunch of

[12:22] businesses over there just like here

[12:24] have dress standards for their women

[12:26] when they show up to work that they have

[12:28] to be in high heels women are

[12:30] complaining that hi he was caused foot

[12:32] pain having never warned them personally

[12:34] I don't know maybe they do have I can't

[12:37] I can't say no but I will just say I

[12:41] mean look there are plenty of things I

[12:42] wear that aren't necessarily the most

[12:44] comfortable thing in the world I'd love

[12:45] to be sitting here in basketball shorts

[12:47] and a wife beater but I have to have

[12:49] standards because we are in a

[12:50] professional environment so I just think

[12:52] high heels should be the way everybody

[12:53] should go Plus in Japan they're all like

[12:55] five feet tall why do you want to be in

[12:57] high-heeled I had no idea that that

[12:59] there was a mandatory rule that women

[13:02] businesses with certain businesses know

[13:03] not what the country as a whole but

[13:05] certain businesses in Japan and like I

[13:07] said before I was joking obviously but

[13:08] it is an older country a more

[13:10] traditional country they strict they're

[13:13] more much more strict about certain

[13:14] things especially certain parts of it

[13:16] and there are a lot of businesses that

[13:17] say show up in high heels

[13:19] show up at all now I know that you're

[13:20] joking but I would just like to point

[13:23] out you you wearing that jacket is not

[13:26] the same as you know my feet on an x-ray

[13:29] being like curled up because the bone

[13:32] structure has changed because I have to

[13:35] shove my foot into a high-heeled

[13:36] everywhere climbing Mount Everest is

[13:37] amusing you have to be made if you want

[13:40] to greatness that's it it's a good calf

[13:43] workout I guess yeah exactly it's just

[13:46] it's crazy to me that the traditions are

[13:48] just so unchanged there well that is

[13:50] it's that it's been that kind of country

[13:52] it's been so insular they've been that

[13:54] way forever it took them forever to

[13:55] transition out of swords and into

[13:57] muskets which is something they had to

[13:59] do you know pre-world War one they were

[14:01] just there I don't want to call it

[14:02] backwards because it's not it's just a

[14:04] different place it's an insular place

[14:06] and they do their own thing and look

[14:08] it's obviously harm them at some points

[14:10] in the past in world war ii when they

[14:11] got super fanatical it's just a

[14:13] different place I've been there a couple

[14:14] times I think it's a fascinating culture

[14:15] and their food's good it's a lot better

[14:17] than Chinese food all right people

[14:19] complain about America you know I know I

[14:22] know we're so oppressed here in America

[14:24] try although all of the females here try

[14:27] being in Japan and having to wear high

[14:28] heels because I know all of the third

[14:30] wave feminists they're not wearing heels

[14:31] yes all their dudes are short

[14:34] all right well Jesse Kelly Pro high heel

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[15:57] calendars all right Brandon I know you

[15:59] said that you spoke earlier today at the

[16:02] Young Women's Leadership Summit about

[16:04] abortion and you have a you know a very

[16:07] unique male perspective on it and I

[16:09] think it's something that we don't get a

[16:10] lot of the time we don't get the male

[16:12] the male perspective because we're so

[16:14] busy listening to you know not just the

[16:17] media but just feminists and that whole

[16:19] sector just pushing the narrative my

[16:22] body my choice abortion is healthcare

[16:24] and they've got all of these messages

[16:26] that they're trying to you know twist

[16:28] the conversation and nobody talks about

[16:30] the male perspective you know they don't

[16:32] I mean I'm a father and when my son when

[16:35] I found out that his mom was pregnant I

[16:37] mean that's just a part of me as

[16:38] anything else you know my DNA is in that

[16:41] young boy he's eight years old now and

[16:43] he looked just like me actually so

[16:45] that's my son and my responsibility is

[16:47] the same and and you know I have my own

[16:50] personal story but my son's motto most

[16:53] had an abortion I mean we were in

[16:55] Planned Parenthood I didn't know what

[16:57] Planned Parenthood stood for I thought

[16:58] it was a good women's health program for

[17:00] women and when they get to the front

[17:02] door she told me you know what I'm

[17:03] having an abortion I'm not here to see

[17:05] how far along I am I'm actually having

[17:06] an abortion and I was hurt and I said in

[17:08] the lobby and I prayed and she wasn't

[17:10] able to go through with it and I thank

[17:11] God for that but now my son is a boy I

[17:14] mean he's growing and I'm so happy with

[17:17] him and and again the responsibility is

[17:20] with the man and I think that people

[17:22] forget that abortions is not just

[17:24] affecting the character and behavior of

[17:25] women it affects the character and

[17:27] behavior of the young man that's

[17:28] involved it takes two people to tango

[17:29] and me and need to be more responsible

[17:32] you can't have a pass you can't just

[17:34] walk away from a young lady and hope

[17:35] that she have an abortion some young

[17:37] ladies have abortions because they were

[17:38] put in that position but young you know

[17:40] men need to stand then to stay around

[17:42] and take care of their children and we

[17:44] need to be better as a society take

[17:46] accountability sometimes I make speeches

[17:48] and I say I'm pro-life and pro-choice

[17:49] and I say the reason why I say that is

[17:51] that I believe life starts at conception

[17:53] I'm pro-life and I believe I'm

[17:55] pro-choice and the fact that the choice

[17:56] was made in a bedroom at the abortion

[17:59] clinic and I really think people need to

[18:01] be more cognizant of personal

[18:03] responsibility and I feel like that the

[18:05] left what they do best is they want the

[18:07] world to change they don't want people

[18:08] to change it's more beneficial if a

[18:10] person would change their ways instead

[18:12] of trying to force the world to change

[18:14] based on one individual's perspective

[18:16] yeah Charlie you want to weigh in a lot

[18:18] of wisdom there I mean that's exactly

[18:20] right the left would rather try to have

[18:21] the world change never to have

[18:22] themselves become better people and they

[18:24] want to they want to value impose on the

[18:27] external but not actually go through the

[18:28] tough decisions themselves I mean

[18:30] they're the they're the Liberals that

[18:32] are shouting at our events we're brain

[18:33] and I go speak on campus that have the

[18:35] messy hair they haven't showered in days

[18:37] their dormitories a mess and yet they're

[18:39] telling us that you know everything

[18:41] that's wrong with our life and you know

[18:43] if I'm sorry doesn't look like you have

[18:44] your whole yourself really organized

[18:46] right now how could have your thoughts

[18:47] organized and and I mean Brandon is an

[18:51] amazing testimony about it and abortion

[18:53] just gets so demagogued in the media and

[18:55] just shame shame on the media the way

[18:56] that they misrepresent this and there's

[18:58] just so many I mean McGann I mean if you

[19:00] look at actually the Florida abortion

[19:02] statistics I think like 92 percent of

[19:04] all abortions in Florida are for

[19:05] selective reasons they're not for

[19:07] rape incest life thing now there might

[19:09] even be higher than that and so we have

[19:11] a whole conversation based on an

[19:12] exception where the rule or

[19:14] unfortunately abortions become a form of

[19:15] birth control we're in that that it

[19:17] was never the way that this was sold to

[19:19] the American people this was net it was

[19:21] always sold as something that was rare

[19:22] and safe and and there was another way

[19:25] and I kind of refer I can never remember

[19:26] the way yeah they're exactly safe legal

[19:28] and rare I could never remember but it's

[19:31] not anymore now and now it's abundant

[19:32] and and in New York City and Brandon

[19:34] comments on this all the time

[19:36] a black woman if she's pregnant has a

[19:38] higher likelihood to get an abortion

[19:40] then have the baby the abortion rate is

[19:42] higher in New York City than the birth

[19:44] rate so if you see a pregnant black

[19:46] woman there's a higher percentage chance

[19:48] that she'll go to Planned Parenthood in

[19:50] the delivery room think about that how

[19:52] is that a good thing and here's the

[19:53] final thing I'll say is I I just I don't

[19:56] understand how how we as we as a society

[19:58] have accepted the fact that the black

[20:01] community's birth rate has stagnated or

[20:03] less 50 years right and how many lives

[20:05] how many dreams are just no disappeared

[20:08] and these are these are individuals

[20:09] these are people that could have done

[20:12] amazing things and we just snatched

[20:13] their their life away for four reasons I

[20:16] don't think that are accepting what I

[20:17] look at being Carson for example you

[20:19] know he's changed the world everybody's

[20:21] you know they have this excuse well I'm

[20:23] not ready well I don't think his mom was

[20:25] ready she could even read so but she

[20:27] pushed through and she gave life to one

[20:29] of the most brilliant people

[20:30] neurosurgeon have and so who knows the

[20:33] next brilliant person that can have a

[20:35] cure for something or or can be a great

[20:37] person to change the world you don't

[20:39] know that and you're killing that child

[20:41] and here's one thing we as a society

[20:43] have to come to the conclusion is it

[20:45] murder or not if it's not murder and

[20:47] it's okay then we don't need it to be

[20:48] rare you can have as many as you want

[20:50] but if it's murder which I believe that

[20:52] it is then we should not be

[20:53] participating in it and never so there

[20:56] was another point that I was I was

[20:58] thinking about about rape we always talk

[21:01] about rape which is obviously exceptions

[21:02] to the rule but my grandmother was raped

[21:04] at 12 years old and had my mom and I

[21:07] often think that what if they would have

[21:09] had an abortion in that case I wouldn't

[21:11] even be here and my mom would be my

[21:13] brother wouldn't be here so and in my

[21:15] parent and my grandparents forgave my

[21:18] grandfather for what he did and and I

[21:20] think it's ours

[21:21] xiety needs to get back to that to that

[21:23] more standard where we say it's not the

[21:25] kids fault that their dad is a scumbag

[21:26] and decided to rape the mom the kid

[21:29] deserves to have life at that point and

[21:31] I think that we as a society we need to

[21:33] get back to that Jessie I know the the

[21:35] left has just gone completely radical

[21:37] obviously an extreme on the case of

[21:40] abortion even not not condemning

[21:43] infanticide they're going that far is it

[21:45] going to blow up in their face

[21:46] yeah but it but it'll take time and

[21:48] they're not actually more radical than

[21:50] they've ever been before leftist don't

[21:52] value the individual not when they're

[21:54] born not when they're old not in the

[21:55] prime of their life everybody just

[21:57] serves everybody just exists to serve

[21:59] the state instead of live that's why

[22:01] atheism so big in China and state-run

[22:03] places like that's why atheism so big

[22:05] communist places instead of looking at

[22:07] an individual as they are which is a

[22:09] unique God breathed life whether they

[22:12] cure cancer or lay bricks for a living

[22:14] that is a unique life that deserves a

[22:16] shot at life leftists don't look at it

[22:19] that way everything is service to the

[22:21] state and if you really don't value to

[22:24] them you don't matter to them and well

[22:26] what every single day yeah and

[22:27] people say Oh HR you know Charlie or

[22:29] anti-woman for that stance what about

[22:31] the women that were aborted I mean if

[22:33] you if on average if just to play the

[22:35] odds

[22:35] half of pregnancies it's 50% chance

[22:38] women 50% chance men right at the coin

[22:40] flip that means 30 million women have

[22:42] been aborted well I'll tell you I I

[22:43] think not just abortion but feminism all

[22:46] these things I think actually think of

[22:47] people surprised to hear me say it I

[22:49] think it's a failure of men not women

[22:50] it's a failure of men to lead the more

[22:53] the left has gotten a foothold the more

[22:54] feminism has gotten a foothold in the

[22:56] country the more abortions we've had

[22:58] that's not an accident men should be

[23:00] leading on the issue instead of being

[23:02] intimidated and now I'm so scared I'm

[23:04] not allowed to ever say so shut up and

[23:06] be a man you actually do have a say so

[23:08] that's that's a life whether it's in her

[23:10] body or not as a man it's your job to

[23:11] protect those who can't protect

[23:13] themselves men should be leading on the

[23:15] issue not scared to say saying and what

[23:17] what amazes me and I still haven't fit

[23:19] my my finger on it I I will I do have

[23:22] the theory that this is the issue that

[23:24] drives the left more than anything else

[23:26] I mean they get angry about stuff but

[23:28] it's just this issue in particular there

[23:29] is no dialogue it's just sick I just

[23:31] like III I can't I don't know why I'm

[23:34] gonna have to

[23:34] maybe many and maybe 10 years from now

[23:36] I'll finally wake up but for whatever

[23:37] reason the anger around this issue would

[23:40] you agree is just unlike anything it's

[23:42] it's there it's become their religion

[23:43] there's no double yeah all right back in

[23:45] a minute all right we've got about a

[23:54] minute here I know there's a really big

[23:56] conference going on right here for

[23:58] turning-point can people still get

[23:59] tickets yes sure they can go to TP

[24:01] usa.com /yw LLS or just go to TP si.com

[24:05] that's too many letters I think I got

[24:07] their brand and spoke brilliantly this

[24:08] morning and he's you know he's been

[24:10] hanging out and mean with a lot of our

[24:11] young ladies largest young Women's

[24:13] Leadership Summit for conservatives ever

[24:15] in the history of the country 1,300

[24:17] young women standing room only we still

[24:18] have a couple days of programming left

[24:20] Dallas Texas if you're in the area a

[24:22] couple hours away come in you won't

[24:23] regret it and then Brandon really

[24:24] quickly tell people where they can get

[24:25] this stylish mega hat yeah so in the

[24:28] spirit of capitalism I have my own store

[24:30] is the officer Tatum stuff and he has a

[24:34] great shirt that says life begins at

[24:35] conception not perception right oh I

[24:39] love it all right well okay

[24:40] overtime coming up next stick with us

[24:43] Laci be calm

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