Charlie Kirk Confronts Marxism, Evil, and the Church's Role in Modern America at Miami Synagogue

So I want to read to you real quick before we begin um Matthew chapter 5 verse 13. It says Jesus says to his church, "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt has lost its taste, how shall it saltness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet. You're the light of the world. A city set on hill cannot be hidden, nor be nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket but understand. And he gives light to all in the house. So in the same way, let your light shine before others so that they may see your good works and give glory to your father who is in heaven. Father, thank you for your word that gives us life. Thank you Jesus for praying for us in this way that we will be sanctified through your word. We thank you that tonight we can gather as one body and we pray God that what happens here today serves your purposes. I pray that it would awaken your church and it will propel us towards action in this city. Thank you for the call. Thank you for the opportunity we have and I pray that through your Holy Spirit you will move mightily in this room for your glory. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Well, we all know why we're here. So, let's um well, would you help me please welcome one of the most significant voices of our time. Very influential, very powerful, truly a champion for all of us. Uh he's the founder of TPUSA. Please stand up. 305 style. Let's welcome Charlie Kirk. >> Hey everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> Welcome to the 305. >> Thank you. This is this is amazing. On uh such short notice, it was on I think Friday our team reached out to you. Yeah. >> And um I don't sit still well. I have a whole week here planned in Florida and I I noticed that I had an empty evening. So I could just kind of be sitting around or I could be, you know, talking about current events and uh unfortunately tragically very fitting to be in a synagogue right now. That's right. Considering what happened over the weekend. So uh honored to be here, blessed to be here and and lots to go over. And if we have time, we'll do some questions from the audience. >> That's right. Well, we we thank you and I think those applauses mean just a fraction of what you mean to all of us being so brave and courageous and speaking the things that resonate true with us. And um we can stand with you because we know that you stand for what is true and what is right and and in this church we proclaim the word of God. And so one of the things that I think will be great to kind of open up our conversation is um this idea um I think we as a pastor I would assume the responsibility that um the reason why the darkness is so dark and and why the the contamination is is so um spread so much is it's the fault of the church being engaged in in our civic duty in in places of influence. Could you speak a bit about that and and to kind of warm us up into the conversation, why is your voice so necessary today more than ever? >> Well, yeah, and it's I I don't even consider it to be to be my voice. I'm not a pastor. I'm not a theologian. Uh I'm just a bibleelving church uh attending Christian who loves Jesus, loves the country, loves liberty, and is sick and tired of seeing all those things under attack every single day from our government and from within. Perfectly honest. Uh and I also hate evil. Um, I hate what we saw this last weekend. I hate the evil we're seeing in our own country and we have to do a much better job of repudiating evil in this country. And so I got my career started uh organizing on high school and college campuses. And never did I imagine that I would be kind of working in the church space. And but COVID really opened my eyes to a lot of different things. I was so shocked and surprised when I saw churches completely and totally locked down. When I saw churches kind of go along with the local government or state government or federal government mandates, when we had an opportunity for one of the greatest revivals and harvests in our country's history, you know, we saw suicides go up and alcoholism go up and isolation and loneliness go up and the church just kind of laid locked down uh laid over and locked down. And I was I was speechless when I saw the church, which is the light of the world, become an extension of a tyrannical secular government, saying that, you know, Romans 13, we're not allowed to be we're not allowed to be open. And then on top of that, we saw all the race politics that occurred uh in the summer of 2020 when we burned down our country uh due to a lie from the pit of hell that we're systemically racist. And the church is the church needs to continue to be the moral light and the moral corrective tool of a society. When the church is silent, then who is to say what is right or wrong? And we, you know, Alexander Solenitson, who's one of my favorite authors, he wrote a book called the Gulog Archipelago. He basically summarized what happened in the Soviet Union. 60 million people killed. And that sounds like just a number, but then you watch the videos of what just happened in Israel this last weekend, you realize these are moms and dads and daughters and sisters, the brutality and the horror. And he said, "All of this happened, all of the tragedy of the Soviet Union can be summarized because people forgot God." >> That's right. >> All of it. And if you listen to what happens on college campuses, so I go to campuses so you don't have to. Or if you listen to what happens in popular society, they're always telling us that religious fundamentalism is the worst thing that could happen. If I go to a campus, they say there's nothing worse than someone being too extreme in their religion. And never once do they ever talk about being too extreme in their secularism. >> That's right. Being too extreme in your godlessness has actually killed more people than being extreme in your religion. And the Soviet Union, Ma, China, Nazi Germany. And we we as Christians must understand the Western world was largely built by Christians for the free society that we all enjoy, Judeo-Christian values that we talk about. And we're seeing it collapse from within itself right now. And you know, Nietze said in the late 1800s, God is dead. He did not say that in a celebration way. By the way, you've heard that phrase, God is dead. He was lamenting. He said, "Oh my, Western civilization is about to fall." This is the late 1800s, that Western civilization is about to fall apart because when you lose that belief in a higher power, what replaces it? You know what replaces it? LGBT, Black Lives Matter, you know, the cult of Anthony Fouchy. people replace it with these fake pagan religions, which I think is a really important thing to talk about because it's something that Jews and Christians have in common, which is there's some differences between Jews and Christians, but Jews and Christians both believe in ethical monotheism and rejecting the fake paganism that the Torah was written to repudiate. That's right. >> Egypt was a cult of death that believed in polytheism and paganism. We live in a monotheistic society that is increasingly becoming pagan. So if the church remains silent, you will be ruled not by the golden calf, but by the purple-haired jihadist that calls themselves an accepting transerson that forces you to use their pronouns while they castrate your kids. >> That's right. >> Well said. You know, my my concern and something I often fight is this idea, you know, Matthew 24, uh, it has to get worse before it gets better. And this interpretation, what we see looks like end time signs. But this idea of letting it go so it gets worse, so it can get better. Uh, such a terrible interpretation of scripture. Uh I often say this, you know, the the church of the time um hid the gospel, the the Catholic, the Roman church, and the dark ages came and Christ did not come back. And so the assumption that by my negligence, by my complacency, is going to provoke the return of Christ is such a fallacy. And >> I think a lot of Christians live under that enchantment and and and just just they rather be afraid and do nothing and and let everything that you just said than than react and and be the salt and the light. >> Yeah. So with what happened in Israel this last weekend, there has been a spike and because I monitor all this in pastors increasing their chatter saying that these are the end times. >> Now they might be right. We might be living through the birth pains before the tribulation. I understand that. However, it the wrong way to look at that is to say we must do nothing because God's plan is falling into place. We must be very humble about the end times. >> Correct? >> They thought the end was the end was in year 1,400, 1630, 1850, 2000, and 2011. Yes. Maybe it's going to come on the feast day in 2030. Or maybe it's going to come in a thousand years from now. Or maybe it's going to come in 2,000 years from now. And I don't hear that kind of humility enough from some people that only talk about the end times. And dare I go a step further, some people are almost wanting the end times to come because it's going to bail them out of a very dark world. How do I say this? They could be right. There are some verses that might suggest that. But the overarching truth of the Bible is usually God is going to test our obedience in the face of evil. >> That's right. >> God can end any evil if he chooses. But he gives us some form of a free will to test our love of him, our duty to him, and our obedience. I got, you know, in a conversation with a pastor this morning, and he said, "Charlie, the end times are here. You know, we, you know, we're we're going to be zapped up next Thursday." And they might be right. I I don't even mean I do believe that Jesus is going to come back on his throne. I do believe that. But I am certainly not I am not prideful enough to declare when Jesus said the hour and the day is unknown. >> That's right. >> That I somehow have that answer. Instead, I emphasize on what we do. And to give credit to my Jewish friends, they do a much better job of focusing on what you must do. >> That's right. Now, if I were to, and this is Dennis Prager's chick, I'm just kind of taking it from him. He says, "Jews are too this world focused. Christians are too next world focused." And I don't necessarily agree with that. I think you can get too focused on the next world where you allow evil to spread in this world. >> And I've seen it happen. I've seen certain Christians say, "Why should I donate? Why should I have children?" >> Yeah. I have pastors that are now actively saying it is better to not have children because we are definitely in in the end times. I believe that's evil. >> I believe is using your pulpit as a pastor to tell people not to do something that is biblically commanded and holy because you're so certain that this is the end of the world. You are misleading your flock. >> In fact, it should be the opposite. Occupy till he comes. take as much terrain as possible and occupy that until Christ's return. >> If if if Christ is coming back on his throne, hallelujah. But if it's from a long time from now, I'm going to try to make this world a little bit better. >> Psalm 97:10 says, "If you love God, you must hate evil." That's right. And and if I may, this last weekend, what happened in Israel, the worst terror attack on Jews since the Holocaust, 800, maybe even a thousand Jews. And I I don't think the media is doing a good enough job talking about this. And and I'll be very I mean, this was not as if these savage animals came in and started firing on military targets. This was not a military operation. This was bloodthirst of civilians. It's a completely different thing. We have not seen anything like this in quite some time. Maybe in Israel you'll see a bus being bombed, right? Or you'll see a building here or there. This was five or six hours of door by door, kabutz by kabutz going and finding Jews, taking them out of their homes, kidnapping the women, over a hundred hostages still. And there's lots of takeaways. We'll talk about Israel, I'm sure, as we go. But the one takeaway that I had is I said I sure hope that it wakes people up that when you sit and you do nothing there are some very evil forces in this world inc like unspeakably evil and there's no rationalizing with them there's no middle ground it is demonic bloodthirst and they come back and they are welcomed as heroes >> in Gaza >> they are welcomed as if they did some sort of military battle when they go door by door And no one even fights. They're begging for their life. This it's it's not as if they survived some sort of conquest and you know it was tough. They had experienced artillery fire. They were unopposed for hours like savage beasts in the wild. And they come home to the thrill of the Gazan women with their you know the Islamic like they as if they won some sort of big battle saying Aluk Akbar these people must be eliminated from the face of the earth. that that did this against these Jewish against these people in Israel. There there is no middle ground. And so yeah, e evil exists and it is happy talk modern Christianity that acts as if there is no evil in this world or we can find some middle ground and um they they very well might be coming here soon or they might already be here. >> Romans 12 says, "Hate evil." >> You must hate evil. Yes. aborted and retain what is good. Um you know I if I can share with you briefly um the kind of actions that all of us can take you know um at the beginning of this year we shared the biblical citizenship class >> and this older uh couple in their 70s at the end I said church this cannot be about sending texting memes to one another and complaining about how bad it is. We we must do something. and we prayed. This elderly couple just went to their nearby village here. They found out that they were about to have an election. They knocked on 60 doors, held a block party. They just began to they selected three of the candidates and on a it made it to the news and Fox News Miami Shores. They unseated people that do not need to be in charge of our village. And I think the trouble is that too many Christians, too many good people are too busy between church activities and tennis and and watching sports on TV and and in while we're doing that living our good life that we planned for, there are few players locally that have no interest in doing any of that and they're occupying places of influence in the churches asleep and and um and it's time to act and this just happened in our town a few months ago. So the kind of action that we're calling to church and friends that are visiting, these things are possible now. The battle is not lost. It is time to act and it is time to open our eyes to find out what's going on in your local government and act. Amen. Awesome. Well, um you already me you went really quickly into the woke and trans and all those things. Um what are some things you you travel extensively you know what's what the landscape looks like nationally. What are some things that the church can do uh to prevent the infiltration? In which subtle ways do you see it most effectively so that the church may be uh um aware of um of how these ideologies permeate into church. >> Yeah. Um so there's let's go back to that kind of idea of the paganism right. Though we are wired as religious beings. So you have a godsized hole in your heart that you have to fill with something. There's really no such thing as a godless society. When we say godless, we just mean the Christian God >> or the Jehovah is no longer the God of America. They'll place it with some small G God. It's a great example in in the book of Exodus, right? Moses basically says, "Hey, be right back. God wants to talk to me, right? And, you know, give me something pretty important. So, he goes up on the mountain and God's chosen people after all the miracles that they've seen delivered from Egypt, the parting of the Red Sea, they couldn't wait to get back to idol worship and paganism. It's one of my favorite lines of the entire Bible. Moses comes down. He just he just got delivered the Ten Commandments straight from God. And of course, Aaron, he goes to Aaron, Aaron, what's going on here? You know, they're having like a rave party and you know, they have this golden calf. And the rabbi would know the Hebrew. But it basically Aaron was like, I threw the gold in the fire and out came the calf. And it was like it's like one of the worst excuses in the history. It's like, yeah, that I hate when that happens, right? When I just throw the gold in the fire and up comes this big calf, right? The calf is not insignificant, by the way. A calf is a very common idol that but here are people that saw God's goodness, God's deliverance, and they couldn't help themselves to get back to idol worship and paganism. It's a reason why God says, "By the way, you shall have no other gods before me." And it's actually the Ten Statements in Hebrew, not the Ten Commandments. Um, but it goes through and it says, "Remember, I am the Lord your God that delivered you from Egypt." Like just in case you forgot, I brought you numb skulls out of that place. And there's so there's there's a second lesson there that we'll get to later. But the if the church is not careful, the church very well might be introducing pagan golden calves into the holy. >> And you might say, "Oh, we would never do that." Well, there are fake religions that are no different that are now dominating society. One, for example, is the religion of tolerance. And a lot of Christians, they bow at the altar of tolerance over worshiping Jesus where they believe we must be tolerant of evil and they say, "Well, we must be nice." Nice is never found in the Bible. Now, I'm not advocating being mean or be cruel, but this idea that you must win favor by compromising or watering down the word of God is nowhere to be found. >> That's right. And so, you know, the the the cult of tolerance, they will tell you that you must do nothing while evil marches throughout your society. That you must do nothing when tens of thousands of kids are are chemically castrated and medically mutilated >> in the name of, you know, transition surgery. That you must do nothing as the southern border remains wide open because diversity is our strength. And this idea of the cult of tolerance is really built on bad theology is what it is. We're called to repudiate evil because we love God. And modern Christianity has been abysmal at confronting evil and more specifically naming evil. That's right. >> We're afraid that we might someone might walk out of our church or someone might call us a bad name. The church needs to continue to be the the moral guide of the society. Another one is, and this is one that's not talked about enough, is if there was one thing that the that Genesis does so clearly is that it denounc denounces worship of the earth. And almost every civilization prior to the Jews, they worshiped the river, the star, the suns. Egypt did this, right? They had, okay, we worship, you know, Rah, the sun god, or, you know, worship the Nile. The separation that was laid out in Genesis 1 through11 is God spoke nature into existence. That we do not worship nature. You might say, "Oh, we're long past that." The environmentalist movement in America are no better than the earth worshippers 5,000 years ago. >> That's right. >> They are pagan earth worshippers that believe we as human beings are contaminating nature, that we are the invading force. They outright talk about depopulation. And you would be shocked at how many churches are now like well you know we have to embrace this green energy agenda. Nature is there for our purpose to take dominion over the earth. Nature is there so human beings can flourish not that we worship nature because you know we we think that some tree is going to give us some sort of ancestral power. There's also there is the cult and I could call it a cult or the pagan heretical belief of the blurring of distinctions. >> Yep. >> So if you want to kind of distill a lot of the Old Testament, especially Genesis 1 through11, you could say God created distinctions and God created order. He created order out of chaos, right? And chaos was the state of being before God comes. Think about all the order that God created between light and darkness, the separation of good and evil, the separation of man and female, the separation of man and nature, holy and profane, the separation, all these separations, every single one the modern Marxist left and weak Christians are trying to abolish. That's what the trans movement is all about. >> That's right. is obliterating the distinctions and the order that God naturally set up for us. If you have no orders and you have no distinction, you have no civilization >> by definition. The blurring of good and evil, release the prisons and defund the police. >> That's right. >> No borders, no distinctions. >> This is actually a hermetic idea, but that's a little bit wonky. We can get into that if you guys want, but it's an ancient weird Egyptian belief that the way that we get to oneness of the world is we iron out all differences >> and that we become a oneness of being. So there's no male or female. There's no good or evil. We all have like one group collective consciousness. It comes from the Egyptian god Hermes. Actually, we get the idea of hermeticism. But the God of the Bible, >> a dead god that was never God. Hermes. >> Yeah. Exactly. And when I say God, I mean I say pagan God, right? I'm using the word God and Jehovah or Adoni, right? Or Yahweh interchangeably, right? I'm just just to be clear. I mean fake God, small G, right? Um and what what we where we are in society today is this very troubling pattern where the church is not sta standing for the moral order that God created. We believe that church is nothing more than just raising your hand at a rock concert wearing skinny jeans and you know hoping people are going to give 10%. When in reality church is about creating disciples. >> But church now needs to be correcting error and bringing truth to the world. And we have lost that completely because we are living in a society that is morally and culturally and society chaotic and only the church can correct it. this state of reprobate mindset really >> Romans one as it says >> um well you see it in the church for example the Andy Stanley situation um how how on with one side of the mouth stands for orthodox statements of biblical truth and then in practice stands for something that opposes that that duplicity of mind it's it's really um it's really concerning and I think needs to be denounced uh but if we don't do it in the church who are we waiting to do that work >> yeah That's exactly right. And so are are we going to wait on, you know, some local secular group to all of a sudden stand for righteousness? And it it is an uncomfortable truth for some Christians to hear because Christians have sat idally by on the inheritance of prior generations of courageous Christians. >> I'm going to say a quote here. I want you to imagine most Christian, you know, pastors saying this. Marxism is Satan's religion. >> That's right. >> Okay. >> You know, Billy Graham said that. That was Billy Graham. The agreeable, the positive, the There is a sermon you should watch tonight or whenever. Listen to Billy Graham on communism. He went around the world saying that communism and socialism and Marxism are straight out of the pit of hell. Every characteristic of Marxism is what Lucifer would want. Envy, greed, pride, lust, it is all rooted in Marxism. If Billy Graham could talk about how Marxism is from the pit of hell, why don't our modern pastors? Because you know what they say? Well, I don't want to be I don't want to be political. What they're saying is they don't want to be biblical. >> That's right. >> That's what they're saying. They're saying they don't want to be biblical. That they don't want to believe in and I I you should lovingly challenge them. Well, then do you not believe in Esther, Morai, Daniel, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, or Joseph? Was Joseph wrong to counsel the king? Was Daniel wrong to engage in politics? Was was Mori wrong? Was Esther wrong? God throughout the scriptures has elevated people as heroes to be counselor to the king to be the the moral compass of a society. The founding fathers quoted Deuteronomy, Moses's farewell address, Deuteronomy, second laws, more than any other book, secular or religious, in the composition of the American founding documents of the Declaration of the Federalist Papers of the Constitution. You read Deuteronomy, you realize you could set up a government when you read Deuteronomy. Justice, justice you shall pursue as it says. So that's a pretty good statement. The American founders saw that. They said, "We must have justice as a bedrock principle." The American Trinity, e pluribus, unim, liberty, in God we trust comes directly out of the truths of the Bible. You don't get them ex Nihilo out of nothing. You don't just draw them from Mchaveli and Edmund Burke. The Bible built everything that you enjoy. The lack of the Bible is destroying everything that you enjoy. And only the Bible can save everything that you want your children to enjoy. That's >> right. Well, as you're speaking, um I think we all know Miami is largely a Hispanic uh Latin um population. And many of us um come from social from a socialist struggle. And um I on top of being a pastor of um Harvest Church, I I lead an organization internationally where we plant churches, but we we integrate the same type of Harvest Church with the four pillars and all of that. We integrate a disciplehip that informs us on how to be active citizens of our city and of our nation. Um it's called Gospel Echo. Echo Eko elesia church kernes government os. And so we trying to raise this this sense. So um if I can maybe touch the nerve of some of of our of our audience um this evening um many of us come from a lost plight, a lost fight in our Latin American countries. We're speaking about Nicaragua, Cuba, uh Chile, etc. Um I think there's hope for America because our the story of those nations is different. What would you say in a hopeful way um why should we fight again those of us who've made it here um seeing our nation my my father just came back from Cuba he says Abiel Cuba is just two days away from becoming Haiti it's just regressing that you turn on the TV and and the Yoruba religion dominates it's just it's just the ordisha the santia is just predominant in the culture is regressing to to the obscure to darkness is what could you say? How is America different? What is the fabric in us that will cause us to believe again and to fight together? >> Yeah, it's it's funny. I was recently flying back from the Caribbean and they allow you to fly over Cuba now at 40,000 ft. And I was with one of my team members and I was tracking the flight and I said, "Hey, look out the window. What do you see?" He said, "Nothing. It's darkness." I said, "What do you think we're flying over?" He said, "Over the Caribbean." He said, "No, we're flying over a country." >> Yeah. I said, "And it's a perfectly clear night." He said, "You're flying over a country." >> He said, 'Look closer. You could barely see a light where Havana is. Barely. Yeah. >> It's like, "Yeah, that's that's that's the ball game. You want you want to radicalize a young not radicalize or open up the eyes of a young 20-year-old college student who thinks socialism is a great answer, just fly over Cuba at night." Oh, >> look this there socialists can be define can be broken into two major categories. Okay, the first is psychologically much harder to explain and unpack but probably more important which are very very rich people that want to redesign society in their making and their liking and they want to be oligarchs of a socialist society. They want to be the Castros. They want to be the Mussolinis and the mouse. That that we could focus a lot of attention on them because they're they're a very very evil group of people. The second group of people to put it lightly are people too lazy, too dumb, too stupid to ever make a dollar in the market. So they want to take other people's stuff. >> That's right. >> So that that's bas and people driven by resentment and greed and envy. That's who's in the second bucket. And the masters of the universe, the puppet, the puppet class, they use the resentment of the lower class to mobilize to keep themselves in power even though the underclass never get any richer and more powerful. And the cycle repeats itself over and over again. So one of the main reasons, and this is why I wish every church would just preach the Bible, because you could you could obliterate Marxism in one sermon if you just open up your Bible. One sermon. You need to ask the question, are human beings naturally good? It's a very simple question. >> And the answer is, of course not. >> But let's look at what the scriptures have to show us about the Hebrews, right? Here's how I know the Bible is true. God took the Jewish people and built them into a great nation. Pretty impressive. No offense, but they complain all the time. They're constantly lying. You know, it's pretty impressive how you take the Jewish people and you build them into something great. You can do it with them. You could do it with anybody. And so they leave Israel and not only are they doing the golden calf thing and all that, within a couple days they're complaining. God blows quail off course mana from heaven. Literally in the book of Numbers it says the Hebrews complain that they didn't have cucumbers, melons, leaks. And they said, "Bring us back to Egypt because at least we had better food and we had meat. Bring us back to slavery. We would rather be taken care of than to be free. And you think about that. I never, by the way, I heard that message eight years ago. Okay? And I read it in my Bible and I remember going up to my pastor. I said, "No, no, no, no. People want to be free." I fought him. I said, "No, no, no. This is a different place, different time." Then I lived through co people do not want to be free. >> They don't. >> If you have a society that embraces freedom, you have something very, very rare. It's a value. You have a temptation to naturally want to sit at home and get stuff for nothing and want what your neighbor has. What was the first murder in the Bible? Socialism. The first murder in the Bible was socialism. >> How often do you have a pastor tell you that two sacrifices, God likes one of them, doesn't love one of them, resentment, murder. All throughout the scriptures, you see envy, I want somebody else's stuff, I don't have it as good, drive you to very evil and dark places. So if you think human beings are naturally great, then you think you can create heaven on earth. And that is the promise of socialism, >> that you can create a place of perfection. For those of you that grew up in Cuba, how often do they talk about viva revolution? Just one more year, one more decade, we're going to bring in the greatest thing ever. And then you say, "Well, why don't we have any food?" It's the Americans fault, right? Because they're blockading us. Yeah, but you keep on shooting people. Ah, no, no, no. Forget it. It's the Westerners's fault. Now, let me connect some big dots for you. The unclean spirit of blaming other people for your problems. It's the blockade. It's an apartheid state is the same throughine of BLM in this country, Hamas in the Middle East, and the socialists and the communists all throughout South America. which is we're never going to govern through an idea of we take responsibility for our own actions. We're going to try to improve our life. It's somebody else's problem because it comes from a flawed perspective where they think human beings are naturally great and anything wrong in the world is because of the structure or the system. Capitalism, xenophobia, you know, homophobia, all these reasons why the world is so bad. And this explains why when I go to a college campus and I'm debating a brat who hasn't showered in two weeks, smells unshaven, no job, you know, reeks of marijuana, telling me that America is the problem. When in reality, someone needs to say you're the problem. >> That's right. >> The biggest problem is you. How about you stop smoking weed, wake up earlier, start taking responsibility for your life? But that's a copout. It's a copout for a generation that does not want to say the biggest problem in the world is me. >> They would rather blame some other external problem for it. Marxism prays on these people. >> They they weaponize them and they fill them with backwards ideology. So you might be wondering why fight here? Well, first of all, God wants you to fight tyranny in all of its forms. That's right. >> If pastors were honest to the Bible, they would say something very clearly. God does not want humanity to live in authoritarianism. He delivered the Jews from Egypt that lived under slavery and lived under tyranny. Jesus says in John 10:10, one of my favorite verses, it summarizes good versus evil better than anything as clo the enemy has come to lie, steal, cheat, and destroy. I have come to give life and life more abundantly. Boom. Which side are you on? Lying, cheating, stealing, or destroying or life or life more abundantly? In Cuba, they are not living with life or life more abundantly. It is oppressive. If you've never visited a Marxist country, you should. It is a different spiritual dynamic. It is heavy. >> And if not, just go to Portland. It feels exactly the same. It's not a or New York City feels the same. Boston feels that way now. Seattle feels that way now. Philadelphia feels that way now. San Francisco feels that way now where there Chicago where I grew up feels that way now where the citizenry feel hopeless and and then you you made a very very important point. They get into the occult >> because they need some way to try to figure it out, right? So they get into the witch doctors or the tarret card tarot card readers or the kind of like Oprah Winfrey book club thing where it's like yeah we're going to kind of like be one with the universe like this kind of Eastern Buddhist thing that so many Christians are now embracing and it brings darkness upon your land and it makes you respect and just admire the goodness of God of what the word of God has done for civilization. >> Amen. Nothing has come even close to liberating people to live a decent life. Nothing. And I don't think we as Christians talk about the fruit of the Bible enough. I think we do do a good job of speaking about heaven and the afterlife. But look at the goodness that the Bible has given the world. That's right. >> We have a Christian inheritance. You want to know what people are like left to their own devices? Hamas is what they're like. That's an we call it uncivilized or barbarism for a reason. Well, what is civilized? The Bible civilized society. >> Indeed, >> you go in that direction, they rape. They take kids. There's nothing wrong with it. They celebrate it. Who's to say that is wrong? Absent a Christian worldview, that is that is considered great. 30 Harvard organizers in the last 24 hours came out and signed an open letter saying it is wonderful what happened in Israel. Harvard, Columbia University, something very similar. They are the most godless institutions. Remember, they have some other god that replaces it. You might say they have no wisdom. Of course, because the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. >> And that's why one of the reasons they believe all the stuff they believe. So look, if you're sick of fighting Marxism, you're in the wrong country. You are now living in one of the most, I think, high high stakes battles in the history of humanity. And God wants us to defeat these Marxists because I believe the ideologies from the pit of hell. >> That's right. I believe so. Amen. You know, you um you mentioned that the first murder was because of socialism. The the first socialist to make it to the to the new world was actually Christopher Columbus. >> This is Columbus Day. >> Exactly. He he he when when he left, he didn't know where he was going. When he landed, he didn't know where he was. And he did the whole thing with other people's money. That's why he's a great socialist. That was a joke. Um this word great reset and you were kind of touching on this powers and all of that. What should Christians how should we think uh we believe in cataclysmic events that God controls um such a term you know um has a certain impact on Christians. What would you say of this great reset that that that brings chills up spines of certain people? >> Yeah. I mean, I could talk at it at length. I mean, they have an agenda. They they want to change the globe by 2030. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy. Uh they'll plug you into machines and you'll be a transhumanist robot. They are already doing a great job of obliterating the currency, which is a big part. you must destroy the US dollar, keep the borders completely and totally wide open. And you might say, Charlie, what is driving this? How could people be this evil? Well, thankfully, we as Christians do not have to answer that question. It's very simple. The last story told before the first Jew, Abraham, is exactly what is going on. It is Genesis 11 playing itself all over again. The reconstruction of the city of Babel. That's all that it is. That's right. To create a one world government. It's Nimrod in its own way. By the way, I could do a two-hour speech on the profoundity of Genesis 11. Let me let us make a city for our name. The pride that takes not the name of God. Nimrod says we want to do it for us in our name. God sees this. It's like, whoa, this is this is not going to end well. That was an attempt at a one world government. That was the World Economic Forum. That was Claus Schwab. That was the UN. What if I told you the Bible created the idea of of borders separation? The idea of a sovereign nation is a biblical idea. That's >> right. >> So, it should make sense as the world becomes less biblical. They don't want sovereign nations. They want oneness. And we've kind of allowed this to slowly drip in. And I'm not even saying this was a bad idea, but the European Union project was largely an idea of eroding sovereignty. It's just, you know, you have one currency. They speak more English than they speak their native languages now in Germany because it's just kind of the it's the way that all the countries can communicate with one another. And there's some positives and negatives to that. But you look at all these transnational alliances, there's one thing that stand really two things that stand way. Israel stands in the way too. But that's why they're going after it so hard. And and by the way, any sympathy you see for Israel, wait one week. Everyone's going to be against Israel. Okay? Don't be fooled. One week mark right now. Every international organization is going to say, "Look at they're bombing hospitals and schools. Just wait. Give it one week. Public opinion will flip on its head." Guarantee it. The second part though is America. America is the country that should not exist in the eyes of the satanic Genesis 11 globalists. That's right. >> We're too strong. We're too free. We're too unified. We're too willing to fight evil. >> And the reason why Joe Biden, who is a traitor to the United States, by the way, the reason why Joe, and he's an active trader, he's not like he betrayed us once. He is betraying us on an hourly basis. Okay? Hourly. The reason why he keeps the border completely and totally wide open is that he must destroy American sovereignty. No borders, no America. You could bring in a one world type government. There is a important theme I want to introduce to you though and we as Christians can understand. So we have this idea of the escaton. The escaton is the world that Christ will govern when he returns. The 10,000y world reign, right? The left believes in their own escaton, in their own heaven on earth. They think they're doing the right thing. And I want to just in this is a Jewish belief more than a Christian belief. And I want to just challenge people because people say, "Charlie, it's all about intentions. Only thing that matters is intentions." And I don't believe that. I don't I And you don't believe it either. Intentions can matter in certain situations. Okay? Let me prove it to you that if my wife tells me to take out the garbage and I forget versus my actively not the defying her and not taking out the garbage, those are two different situations. Would you agree? Me forgetting versus me saying I'm not doing it out of spite. Big difference. But when we look at the revolutionaries, should we cut them slack because they think they're creating heaven? Some Christians say we should. They say they think they're doing well, so they're not doing evil. You know, most evil people never think they're doing evil. >> More evil has been done in the name of good than anything else. Hitler thought he was doing good. He did not wake up every day and say, "You know what? I'm gonna go do some evil." Very, very few people believe that. And so what I'm what I'm trying to tell you is that the people we're fighting, they think we're evil >> and they we think we know they're evil, but they've convinced themselves they're doing something good that makes them much harder to defeat. >> Much harder. Because you might say, Charlie, how could they poss? Because they think they're creating nirvana. They think they're going to be able to get rid of the borders, get rid of private property, get rid of America, get rid of colonialism, get rid of homophobia, and we're going to live in John Lennon's world, and everyone will get along and rolling through the hills, and more people have died under this false promise of heaven on earth than almost any other idea in the last 100 years. I was at a Christian university and a young man came up and he said, "Charlie, I think you're too nasty towards the intentions of other people." And I say the intentions are irrelevant. It is the evil that we must judge. >> I'm sure they've convinced themselves they're doing good, >> but they are destroying the nation and their actions themselves are evil. >> That's right. That's right. It is it is in this age of information when we know what is right on paper. Um and and and and the actions that follow. You know, it's the same thing that I mentioned before the the the church how it happens. You see European nations that do not fully declare themselves socialist, but they include enough of that. It is a slow war. And if we're not that radical, what we why I appreciate you and we all do is because you have the courage to to cut it clear and clean. Um because the consequences of not doing that is is the whole frog warming up you know the effect of gradually and before and when we wake up it's too late. Uh my concern again for the church who who is the hope of the world um I believe is that we are waiting for something to happen to us personally to then react and it might be too late and there are too many Cubans and Venezuelans and too many people from other nations that can tell all of us and America at large that it will it could happen and if we don't act now uh when we find out personally it might be too late. >> Can I can I Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. >> And I I I hate to be the downer here, but I think it's already here. >> Yeah. >> My whole career I've said Marxism is near. In the last three weeks, I now say it has arrived and it has captured the country. And I can prove it to you. I have no explanation other than a captured Marxist country where we have crime going up in every major city and Donald Trump faces 700 years in federal prison. January 6th defendants is I think the January 6th defendants are no different than the political prisoners in Havana during Castro's revolution. >> They are no different in my eyes. No different. It's this when I see Donald Trump's assets might be taken from him in New York. That's something that Castro would do. He'd say, "You're the billionaire former president. I don't like you. I'm going to call you a fascist. I'm going to take all your hotels." >> Maduro would do that. >> Chavez would do that. It's the You guys know exactly of what I speak >> and then I'm going to just kind of I think we're going to do questions in a second, right? But there is a boy, this is not exactly a fun topic. Don't believe that things will naturally turn around just because they get so bad and people will wake up. Look, Israel example obviously that happens. People say, "Oh, whatever, you know, go go Palestine." I will tell you one story that I think will open your eyes to how insidious this ideology is. young couple at 3:51 a.m. is sitting on a park bench in Brooklyn, New York. A black man crosses them and they get in some sort of a conflict. Now, both of these people are to the left of Joseph Stalin, right? There is, and I don't wish death upon my enemies. I don't do that. Okay? But they're about defund the police and all that. Okay? This young man gets in some sort of an argument. His throat is slit by this young black guy and he dies. Weirdly enough, his girlfriend doesn't apply first aid. It's a very strange thing, right? But it gets sicker. The young girlfriend, the police come and they say, "Hey, you know, describe to us who did this and she says, "Well, I I'm not going to tell you the race because I don't want to perpetuate racism." Of course, obviously at that moment, you know, it's a black person, right? So, it's like, okay, thanks for telling us who did it. Um, it's you're not exactly going to hold back the race if it's a Scott, you know, Scottish guy, right? So, but hold on a second. Understand how sick this is. She just saw her boyfriend get murdered in the streets and she's more worried about people thinking racist thoughts >> than justice for the killer. Okay. How do you defeat that? I mean that that that is that is a religion. That is adherence to something that is fanaticism. I'll tell you another example. In Germany, a young lady was gang raped by six Arabs. Okay, Arab refugees because diversity is our strength, right? So, just bring in as many people from the third world as possible. By the way, not a not a joke. There's sleeper cells all over the country. I pray they don't go off and Americans don't die. They have because that we've allowed 10 million people to come into our country. Okay? So, buy guns and walk around with one because this is about to get really hot really soon. I pray I'm wrong. Anyway, six Arabs go into Germany, gang rape a girl. the police, you know, she goes in and she says, obvious she's traumatically what what could be worse for a female than six men gang raping her. Apparently something is worse. They say, "Describe who did this." And she said, "Uh, six white Germans raped me." So they go on a manhunt for six white Germans. And after a couple weeks, you know, they have no nothing but dead ends. They go back to her. Turns out they interview her and she said, "Well, I didn't want to continue the anti-immigrant hatred in Germany." She was protecting her rapists for ideology. I I don't even know how to think about that to be honest. A young lady gets gang raped and she wants to protect them because she's afraid that other people might think negatively of immigration from the Arab world. We're not dealing with rationality here, people. This is spiritual warfare. Th this this is straight from the pit of hell. This is Lucifer himself. that is manifested in cult-like ideologies that the college industry laers and repurposes. There's no reasoning with these people. There's no finding middle ground. If you see your boyfriend's throat get slit and you're worried about describing that person because of racism, you're not dealing with something where you can all of a sudden find a middle ground. We must defeat these people. It's the only option. >> That's right. Turn it over to you now. Um, everyone, Chip Moore. He's the regional director for DPUSA in Florida. Will you wave high, applaud? Great job here. >> Yeah. And I um I do >> believe my mic. There we go. >> Yeah, we'll do some questions. I do want to try to talk a little bit more about the Israel situation as well. Y >> and so if anyone has a question about that, I would love to lead with that in the first couple questions. I know I peppered that in. >> Um but I think there's a lot of takeaways there. So anyway, so anyway, uh the number one Turning Point USA high school leader in the country right here does a great job. Number one in the whole country. All right. What's your question? >> All righty, Charlie. Thank you. So, um, my question is based around what's happening in Israel, but I wouldn't want to say, and I', and I've had a lot of my friends in school who are Muslim bring it up to me, and they're obviously defending in in this case, Palestine, right? They don't look at it much of a Hamas type of thing because that's not the narrative that the left is pushing, right? Um, but I do want to like maybe entice another topic into it and see if you could tackle it. Um so Genesis 9:6 says, "Whoever sheds the blood of man by man uh shall his blood be shed for God made man made man in his own image." So um considering that apart from the fact that you know war is something that is always occurring um and uh you know something that is inevit inevitable should capital punishment be something that is legal in the US as a whole and uh how do you think that we as conservatives should sort of avoid the negative stereotype against Muslims who aren't terrorists? Yeah. No, that that's fair. I mean, I let me first start with the first one. I I have not seen an adequate amount of outrage by quote unquote peaceful Muslims about what's happened here. This was not like a stroll in the park or a military base. You know, let me just tell you, when I woke up on Saturday morning, I turn off my phone. I do a Jewish Shabbat. It's great. I recommend it. It's amazing. And yet, I was watching college football. It's the one thing that I give an exception for, right? And I'm flipping the channels and this sounds bad, but when I saw the news reports of war in Isra, you know, battle in is I'm I feel like I'm used to it, right? Rockets go back and forth. Unfortunately, a couple dozen people die and it kind of simmers down. And I start going back to the channel throughout the day and they're like 200 people dead. I'm like, what? 300? I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. They're talking about kid. Like, no one gets kidnapped in Israel. That's a big I hope you understand. That is a big deal. The last time that there was an Israeli kidnapping was like 2005, right? 2001. It was like 20 years ago, right? So they have a hundred people. Like this is not normal, right? But I don't want to generalize because I think that's sloppy intellectually. But it is a fact that when these people returned home, the quote unquote peaceful people of Gaza treated them like heroes. It's a fact that in Turkey, a NATO member, by the way, why that ever happened, I don't know. They're celebrating. Celebrating in Qatar, they're celebrating. So like, let spare me the lecture about how wonderful and how peaceful you guys are. Okay? Like you're institutionally defending this crap and I I need to see the goods to be perfectly honest with you, right? I And when I see like Saudi Arabia, they're like, "Well, we need to deescalate." Yeah. Easy for you guys to say Saudi Arabia. Okay. Like if you had a bunch of somebody come into Saudi Arabia and go into nurseries and I I don't mean to like bother your day, but sometimes you have to talk about the evil. They dismembered 18-month-old babies on Saturday for sport and live streamed it. This is not a military operation. This is the h a mini holocaust. Okay? And I I do not use that language lightly. Okay? I am not a person to call people Nazis. I get called a Nazi all the time. It sickens me when people cheapen that language. This is the closest thing, in fact, it is the closest thing to the Holocaust we've seen in 80 years. And I have to be told by Harvard that it's the beginning of a great liberation and Colombia. I it it is it's it really baffles the mind. So I I I don't know how to reason with your Muslim friends. Tell them to, you know, go reform their religion and then we'll get back, you know, get back to us. Honestly, like I'm I've lost patience with them to be perfectly honest. I'll believe it when I see it. Um to the second part, capital punishment. Yes, morally I believe in capital punishment. Our country is so screwed up though because of how ligious we are. We we kill the wrong person far too often. So that's a real thing. So my belief is we need to be very careful when we use capital punishment because there have been about 40 people that have been wrongfully executed in the last 30 years. I think that's a great injustice. But um yeah, like for example, when I when I see the guy in Baiji, Minnesota, who was the leader of a gang rape of an 11-year-old, I think we should have a quick and speedy trial and publicly execute these people. And I know that sounds medieval and extreme, but I I I don't I believe that for certain crimes of depravity so heinous, the killing should be done in public. It should be done quickly and it should be done as a as a sign so that people as a deterrent. We give way too many concessions to these animals. Now, if there's DNA, like there's this case in Oklahoma where this guy's on death row and it's like he hired somebody for it and they don't have DNA evidence. They should just take that off of the death row case. Life in prison. Like we there's we don't exactly strengthen our case when we go to the suspect cases. I'll be very honest. That's my personal opinion. But when it's clear-cut admission of guilt, right, and you could see it, you abs the Bible is morally clear about it. And I changed my opinion. I used to not believe that a couple years ago. Um, but then I studied my Bible more closely and started to love the Old Testament more. Yes. Oh, first of all, thank you so much for everything you do. My name is Jerry Nukem. You interviewed me once and I appreciate that about six months ago. It was in reference to that. >> I remember that. >> You do? Well, I actually have the program that we showed an excerpt from. I'd like you to have these. But anyway, just real fast, I wanted to ask you about the issue of abortion because lately what the left is doing is there's they're spending millions and millions and millions of dollars in these different states for referendums and then they're coming up with the liberal votes. And now the narrative is basically, well, if you're pro-life, abortion is a losing issue. And now I know the other side of that is well, okay, look at Ronda Santis. He did pretty well and he was very strongly pro-life, but still, you know, I I'd like your thoughts on that. >> Yes. So, I'm 100% pro-life even so that I I lose people on my advocacy. I I I don't waver when it comes to the defense of the unborn, but and so I I I'm even I don't even believe in exceptions for rape and incest. That's that's how morally clear I am on it. Just so we're very clear wi with that being said, I'm not my my principled moral teaching which is 100% clear is different than what I would give political advice on. So there's three different categories. Okay? So you have principles and then you have political power and the only way you can get your principles in to effect is with political power. And then comes the messy and uncomfortable middle ground where a lot of Christians don't like ever talking about which is politics, right? And politics is the art of the possible. And I'm not saying we should ever waver in our belief or but we also have to understand that my 100% belief on no exceptions for abortion is not where the country is at. It's just not. And so when certain candidates say, "I will run on an eight-week ban," I I I think that's a step in the right direction. I think incrementalism is something that we should embrace 100%. And then win over people and win over hearts and minds and be there for young women that are in distress. So all those things can be simultaneously true. And I we must also speak another truth. If the 2024 election is only about abortion, we will lose. And I say that as a pro-life warrior who debates this topic and goes to crisis centers and raises money for them and debates Planned Parenthood maniacs. And so that you might say, "Well, Charlie, you're contradicting yourself." I'm actually not. I'm saying what I believe. What I I want to get to a place where abortion is illegal in all 50 states and every life is protected. Okay? And I also know that I believe it's the modern-day moral equivalent of slavery. And decoupling from slavery was very difficult. The incrementalists actually won the slavery debate over time. That's >> right. >> So, you have to win consensus, win where you can legislatively, debate, win in the culture war, have people like Candace Owens, like what we're doing at Turning Point USA, you know, go viral on the topic. And so as long as we're moving in the right direction, I think that is okay. So when President Trump comes out, people say, "Oh, he's caving on abortion." Is he? Or is he trying to make politics, which is the art of the possible, be in, you know, be in political power and understand that look, we do not live in a pro-life country. You can hope we live in a pro-life country. We just don't. The fact of the matter is the majority of the country, especially suburban housewives, they want abortion on demand in case their 16-year-old daughter who's sleeping around too much gets knocked up and they don't want to have that kid around. That's not a speculation. It's a fact. Okay. The driving force for abortion politics are suburban housewives that want abortion as a last measure to preserve their daughter to be able to go to college. Okay? We have to win those people over eventually >> while understanding that there is a variety of issues that we will have 0% say in if we do not win a presidential election. Right? If we do not win a presidential election and here's another part I could tell you in certain states when it is only about abortion we get nothing when it comes to about abortion because we lose. So, you know, people going after Trump. By the way, he put people on the Supreme Court that re reversed Row versus Wade. George W. Bush didn't do that. George HW Bush didn't do that. And so, that's a very complicated answer. I hope it made sense. But all those things can be simultaneously true. While we're not wavering on the moral clarity of what it is, which is a genocide and a slavery of our time, and we must never waver on the moral the moral importance and prerogative of that. So, yeah. >> Hi, Dor. Uh, Charlie, God bless you, man. I'm Rob. I go to a church here in Miami Beach. I found about I found out about this event through a fa through an Instagram post. And coincidentally, I know this brother. He's a man of God. So, praise God for that. Um, and so the timing of this meeting could not be more perfect. My church just had a meeting with all the leaders and he wanted to talk about the whole issue with trans and LGBTQ and all that stuff. when he said in this church we will not allow people to practice what they do here in the church. In other words, if a man comes as a woman dressed as a woman, that person will go to the men's bathroom. If they want to go to the women's bathroom, we will escort them out and with love. If they want to sit and hear the sermon, praise God, we believe God could God could change them. >> Okay? >> Now, um I believe many churches have become trans themselves, transparent because they they they avoid talking about this. You know what I'm saying? H how can we make the churches, you know, talk about this situation? We have to let them know that this is a sin. It's wrong. >> Well, yeah. It's more than a sin. It's actually called an abomination by God in Deuteronomy. If a man shall dress as a woman, it is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. So, here I am at a church service, right? I pull out my Bible, which you know, many pastors don't read in America, and it's just true, especially Andy Stanley, and I say, "Well, we should talk about that. What he did recently is so sick, he will be judged for what he did." >> And I say, I think it's Deuteronomy 20 or something, and it says that if a man shall dress as a woman or in woman's garments, that is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. >> What? And he shall be >> shut begotty shut. A man cannot wear a female garment, right? Because and there's plenty of explanations. God wants the separation. He doesn't want a man masquerading as a woman. And so what happens is the media says Charlie thinks that trans people are an abomination to God. I was like, "No, no, no. God thinks they're an abomination to them to himself. I'm just the messenger. Doesn't matter what I think. I'm just reading the scripture." Like, so look, we need to be way more morally clear on the trans thing. I I'm called a radical on the issue. Radical means to the root. I am a radical. Okay? I refuse to acknowledge somebody's mental disease because you I I I I don't care what you think you are. And I'll give you a great example that really blows the minds. And I actually got it from Candace Owens. So Candace Owens had a schizophrenic stalker who believed that he was married to Candace Owens. Why is he wrong? >> It's his truth, right? He believes that he's married to her. Don't we honor people's truth? He feels it. He knows it. It's who he is. How is that any different than a man who thinks and believes that he's a woman? No. Reality must triumph over somebody's mental delusion, which is exactly what this is. This is a crisis of a delusion that has infected our entire society. And look, God created men and female. Period. And God God created order and separation for a reason and the church must be clearly speaking. So what did Andy Stanley do? Andy Stanley had a conference where he said we must have LGBTQ plus. He used their language. Can you believe it? The LGBTQ plus. He had two people that claimed they're not married. Okay, let me be very clear. They say they're married. They're apostates, but they say they're married, which is not a thing. You can't be married to a man. You can't be married to a woman if you're a woman. It's not possible. Uh you might be lusting. You might be having sex with that person, but it's not marriage. You can you can appropriate it all you want. I'm a stickler for words. Okay? Marriage is the attraction of opposites to create a hole. Okay? You know why it's so important? If you don't stand for marriage, that means you don't believe in the relationship between Christ and his church. >> Think about that. Marriage is the same thing as Christ with his bride. Okay. So Andy Stanley has two of these men speak at his conference at a church. >> Open homosexuals saying that we need to do a better job as a church or else we're going to lose attendance. Look, first of all, he's wrong. But honestly, I'll be happy to lose attendance as long as we're speaking the truth. >> Yeah, >> I don't care. Yes. Next question. >> Hello, Charlie. How are you? My name is uh Jorge Galysia. I am from Venezuela. I came to this beautiful nation four four years ago. And I'm actually right now the TPUSA field rep for South Florida. And uh thank you. Actually, if you are in college and you want to start a chapter, reach out to me. But my question is basically about Iran. What should we do about Iran? I I know we have really good reasons to believe that they were the ones behind the recent attack that we saw in Israel. Iran is all over Venezuela. They basically kidnap one of they are one of the kidnappers of our nation and they're all over our western hemisphere. What how do we deal with that? >> Yeah, that's a great question. So, I actually find myself for once in a position of moderation, which is actually fun because usually I'm like on the extremes of things. Um, I'll be honest, I I don't trust the national security apparatus in DC. I'm an outspoken critic of sending aid to Ukraine. I think we should find peace in this war of Ukraine and Russia. Um, it's not America's responsibility, especially as our own border remains completely and totally wide open. And you heard my passion. Some somebody asked me today, they said, "Charlie, what should America do for Israel? Let Israel defend itself. They can handle this one. >> They got it. You know what we can do? Stand up for them at the UN and and and create media cover for Israel has this plenty." Okay? It's that that's not it's not going to be a military issue. Okay. I think we should also be very skeptical of some of the hawks that got us into no- win war situations in Afghanistan that might be