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Legal Expert Nathan Evershed Breaks Down How Prosecutors Build Death Penalty Case Against Tyler Robinson
Nathan Evershed, a legal expert with experience on both defense and prosecution sides, analyzes the building blocks of the aggravated murder case against Tyler Robinson in the shooting incident involving Charlie Kirk. With thousands of potential witnesses and massive amounts of evidence to process, Nathan explains why the aggravating factor, proving other people beyond Charlie Kirk were at great risk of death, will be the most challenging element for prosecutors to prove. He also discusses the unique situation of Robinson's parents potentially testifying against their own son, the role of mitigation evidence, and why this case will take years to reach trial.
The Prosecution's Strategic Focus
Nathan explains that prosecutors are concentrating their efforts on proving the specific elements required for an aggravated murder conviction. The core elements they must establish beyond a reasonable doubt include identity, intent, causation, and critically, the aggravating factor that other people besides Charlie Kirk were at great risk of death. According to Nathan, while the prosecution appears to have strong evidence for identity, intent, and causation, their most difficult challenge lies in proving the aggravating element.
"If I was the prosecutor on this case, I would be looking at the aggravating factor," Nathan states. "When it comes to murder, it looks like a lot of those things, assuming all of this plays out well in court for them, and it looks like it probably will, when it comes to identity, when it comes to intent, and when it comes to causation, which are the elements to get to murder, that's pretty strong. Their most difficult element for aggravated murder is indeed the aggravated element."
Building the Aggravating Factor Case
The prosecution must prove unanimously to all 12 jurors that other individuals were at great risk of death. Nathan explains that prosecutors are likely conducting extensive scene reconstructions, bullet path analyses, and consulting with numerous experts on firearms, scopes, and ballistics to strengthen this portion of their case. They know the defense will focus intensely on challenging this element.
Nathan describes the likely approach: "What the prosecution is likely doing is they are looking at experts. They're talking to witnesses. They're looking at they're going to probably do a scene reconstruction, a bullet path reconstruction, all of these things, talking to other experts about, you know, this kind of gun, this kind of scope, this kind of everything to buttress that case. They know that this is where the case is going to hinge."
The prosecution has substantial resources at their disposal, with both the state of Utah and the federal government involved in the investigation. They are working through hundreds of cameras and creating sophisticated 3D reconstructions to demonstrate how close the bullet path came to other individuals at the scene.
The Challenge of Thousands of Witnesses
With an estimated 3,000 people present at the event, the prosecution faces the monumental task of identifying and interviewing relevant witnesses. However, Nathan points out that not all witnesses will be necessary or even admissible in court. Court rules prevent duplicative testimony, and prosecutors must be strategic about which witnesses to call.
"How many witnesses do you need to say, 'This is what I witnessed and this is what I saw and this is what I heard.' I mean, you could literally call thousands, but then that's a jury trial that could go on for a year," Nathan explains. The most valuable witnesses will be those who were in the potential path of the bullet or in close proximity to it—people who can provide firsthand testimony about the danger they faced.
Nathan suggests the prosecution may issue an appeal for witnesses who were within a specific radius of the incident, particularly those within 10 to 20 yards of Charlie Kirk, as their testimony would be most relevant to proving the aggravating factor.
The Defense Strategy
Tyler Robinson is represented by Kathy Nester, an experienced attorney and former federal public defender who is well-qualified for capital cases. Under state law, attorneys representing defendants in death penalty cases must meet specific qualifications, and Nester's appointment ensures Robinson receives effective counsel.
Nathan predicts the defense will focus heavily on challenging the aggravating factor. "The defense is going to go over this individual's background in shooting, his awareness of firearms, how long he's been doing it, maybe how many hours or how many days or how many hunts he's been on, what that scope looked like, how many times he's used that. They're really going to try to pin that down to make their argument that other people really weren't at great risk."
The defense team is also working on building mitigation evidence, examining Robinson's background, school records, medical history, and family circumstances. This evidence becomes critical if the case reaches the penalty phase.
The Overwhelming Discovery Process
Both sides are dealing with an enormous volume of evidence—potentially dozens or hundreds of terabytes of information. This includes video footage, investigative reports from Utah law enforcement and federal authorities, forensic evidence, and documentation from the extensive investigation. Nester indicated in court that she is still receiving discovery and doesn't yet know the full scope of what they're up against.
Nathan emphasizes that this massive amount of information will slow the judicial process considerably. "It's just that's gonna be a huge factor and it's really likely going to gum up the wheels of justice in a sense because there's just a ton that's out there. And so I would imagine it's going to take a little bit of time, for example, to get to the preliminary hearing because the defense is going to say there's an overwhelming amount of information for us to scour through."
The Penalty Phase Consideration
If the prosecution successfully proves aggravated murder beyond a reasonable doubt, the case will move to a penalty phase where the jury decides between life in prison and the death penalty. This phase involves weighing aggravating circumstances against mitigating circumstances.
During this phase, the prosecution would present testimony from people impacted by the crime, potentially including Charlie Kirk's wife, close friends, family members, and even students who experienced trauma from witnessing the event. The defense would present their mitigation evidence, potentially including Robinson's family members and others who can speak to factors in his background.
"The jury once everything is done is going to be a long trial of course then they deliberate. There's 12 of them and they have to unanimously agree on two things. One, does the aggravating circumstances outweigh the mitigating circumstances. And if they all unanimously agree on that, then they have to make the decision is the death penalty the just penalty in this case," Nathan explains.
The Unprecedented Role of Robinson's Parents
One of the most remarkable aspects of this case is that Tyler Robinson's parents reportedly facilitated his surrender and provided substantial information to investigators. This creates an extraordinary situation where parents may be called to testify against their own son in a death penalty case.
Unlike spousal privilege, there is no parent-child privilege that would protect them from testifying. "There's no privilege as his parents can get out of something like this. If you're subpoenaed by the Utah to testify, you have to testify. You have to answer questions," Nathan notes. He describes them as "two of the most important witnesses for the state of Utah," making this potentially one of the most powerful and unusual aspects of the courtroom proceedings.
The Long Road Ahead
Nathan emphasizes that this case will not be resolved quickly. The preliminary hearing likely won't occur for several months, and the trial itself will be a lengthy process requiring weeks of court time. Finding a period where the court, attorneys, and all parties can dedicate the necessary time will take considerable scheduling effort.
"Something like this is not going to be solved in a day. It's not going to be solved in a month, okay? It's going to take a long time," Nathan states. "And that trial is going to be that's going to be a long hard slog. And to find the amount of weeks that are going to be needed for that is going to take a while to get there."
The importance of having effective counsel on both sides cannot be overstated. Strong defense representation ensures that any eventual conviction will withstand appeals and prevents years of litigation over ineffective assistance of counsel claims. As Nathan puts it, effective counsel is "important for Tyler Robinson. It's important for the Kirk family. It's important for the prosecutors. It's really important for justice and for Utah in general."
Video Transcript
So, we reached out to you as we often do
because you have seen both sides of a
case um defense and prosecution side.
So, you've got you wear a very unique
hat in that respect. So, um I wanted to
try to better understand we got a little
bit of information yesterday in terms of
the prosecution saying we have just a
ton amount of evidence that we need to
hand over to the defense and we're in
the process of doing that. But, you
know, so we got a little glimpse of
there is a lot of evidence. We also
heard that it seems like they're still
collecting in the process of collecting
evidence and collecting witnesses. Um so
we wanted to ask you what do you think
goes into building a case like this from
the pro prosecution side?
>> The prosecutors are focusing on the
elements that they would have to prove
for these convictions and in particular
for the aggravated murder portion. So
that is what they're going to be
focusing on is just to make sure like
what evidence it can can there still be
to help us prove identity to help us
prove intent to help us prove causation
and to hope help us prove the aggravated
factor which is other people other than
Charlie Kirk were at great risk of death
to them. And so that's what they're
going to be focusing on. And they have
to because uh in a case like this with
hundreds even thousands of witnesses um
you you have to narrow that scope to
what is relevant to what's useful in
court to what can be played out in
court.
>> Uh and so
>> otherwise I mean this investigation
could literally go on for years
>> and that's in no one's interest to have
it go on for years. So they're they're
they're looking at those elements and
seeing like well what's still pending
that where we can buttress those
elements. Um, if you are the
prosecution, what do you think is step
number one to build this case? Is it do
you focus on the aggravating factor? Do
you focus on and and if so, you know,
where do you even start with that?
>> That's a great question. I if I was the
prosecutor on this case, I would be
looking at the aggravating factor. The
reason being is that when it comes to
murder, it looks like a lot of those
things, assuming all of this plays out
well in court for them, and it looks
like it probably will, when it comes to
identity, when it comes to intent, and
when it comes to causation, which are
the elements to get to murder, that's
pretty strong. Their most difficult
element for aggravated murder is indeed
the aggravated
uh element, which in this case, they
only have one. They and that's all they
have in under the the evidence of this
case,
>> which is what
>> which is that this individual uh had
other people other than Charlie Kirk at
great risk of death to them.
>> And that's what the prosecution needs to
prove beyond a reasonable doubt for the
aggravating portion.
>> Correct. And not only beyond a
reasonable doubt, but to 12 jurors who
unanimously agree that they've proven
that beyond a reasonable doubt. And in
the crucible of a courtroom where the
defense is really going to be honing in
on that. If I was the prosecutor, I
would know the defense is really looking
at that and uh is really going to build
their case around that aggravating
portion. So, what the prosecution is
likely doing is they are looking at
experts. They're talking to witnesses.
They're they're looking at they're going
to probably do a scene reconstruction, a
bullet path reconstruction, all of these
things, talking to uh to other experts
about, you know, you know, this kind of
gun, this kind of scope, this kind of
everything. to buttress that case. They
know that this is where the case is
going to hinge. And so that's probably
where they're starting off at right away
is trying to buttress that that that
issue.
>> Is a big portion of proving that if
you're the prosecution
interviewing witnesses, do witnesses
need to say, "I felt like my life was in
danger." And would that be enough or
does that have to be proven more beyond
just a witness saying, "Yeah, I felt
like my life was in danger." So
witnesses would be crucial to them. Uh
apparently, for example, the person that
was at the microphone was not too far
away from that bullet path. So having
that person come into court and tell
like what he was able to hear, what he
was able to see, how close maybe for all
we know, he felt something. Who knows?
And so like that would be crucial. But
the other thing that's going to be
crucial is just doing a reconstruction
where an expert can come in and say,
"Well, from this angle to what was seen
to who was there to what was placed to
the cameras, we have hundreds." And
that's probably what they're going
through is all of these cameras and
creating some kind of 3D mechanism where
they're able to see this. And they're
going to have a lot of resources to do
that because in this case, you not only
have the state of Utah on this, but you
have the federal government
>> or people behind Charlie could have been
at risk. Correct. Do you think part of
this reconstruction they might try to
argue, you know, look how close the
bullet the the path of the bullet went
by x amount of people?
>> Correct. And and see that's the thing
that they're going to have to prove. Not
only to show that in a in a strong
presentation, but in a way that's almost
hopefully for their sake not rebuttable
by the defense because you know the
defense is going to come out and this is
where they're going to really focus on
this too. So I'll paint that picture and
the and the prosecution of course knows
this. The defense is going to go over
this individual's uh background in
shooting, his awareness of firearms, how
long he's been doing it, maybe how many
hours or how many days or how many hunts
he's been on, what that scope looked
like, how many times he's he's used
that. They're really going to try to pin
that down to to make their argument that
other people really weren't at great
risk. And that's where the whole case is
really going to hinge. And so that's
where the focus is going to be right now
with the investigation.
>> That's very interesting. What about
witnesses? There were by some estimation
3,000 people there. We heard the
prosecution say yesterday, you know,
we're still in the process of trying to
find witnesses to let them know what the
rules are that are being laid out and
and they made that statement yesterday.
How does that process work? Do do the
pro is it incumbent on the prosecutors
to go and find those witnesses?
>> It's incumbent on the prosecutors to
prove these elements beyond a reasonable
doubt. And if there are witnesses that
are there that can help them do that,
then that's great. The court will, and
the prosecution knows this. I mean, how
many witnesses do you need to say, "This
is what I witnessed and this is what I
saw and this is what I heard." I mean,
you could literally call thousands, but
then that's a jury trial that could go
on for a year.
>> You know what I mean? And so, they're
going to need to make sure that it's not
duplicative because there are court
rules that don't allow like the same
evidence again and 50 people saying the
same thing.
>> Correct. Correct. Especially when when
it comes to elements. Again, the
elements for murder are identity. And so
it looks like what they're trying to do
with that is an alleged confession, uh,
video, uh, DNA and those things. So, so,
so identity, you might get, you know,
down with that. And then, uh, when it
comes to causation or intent, you have
the scope. You have those things. And,
you know, so there's not a great mystery
as to what all of these witnesses may
have seen. It's all there on video. You
know what I mean? Now, you will need
some of these witnesses. And in
particular, you're going to need the
witnesses that could have been in the
path of that bullet or around those who
would likely be the key witnesses for
them to bring to court to show that
these were actually, you know, human
beings. These are their faces. These are
their names that could have been at
great risk, brothers. That's the those
are the ones that they're probably
wanting the most.
>> And I get that these attorneys will have
private investigators, I assume, try to
track these people down, but like there
was no log of who was there, correct? So
that's probably going to be a bit of a
challenge finding these people. Needle
in a hay stack potentially.
>> I I wouldn't be surprised if they kind
of put out uh you know an all points
bulletin that just says you know for
someone that was maybe a 100 yards away.
Okay, that's something but if you're in
the diameter of like maybe being within
maybe 10 20 yards of him, we really
would like to to hear your story. We'd
like to to see any video you may have
and whatnot. So I I can imagine
something like that coming forward.
>> Yeah. Anything else from the prosecution
side that you think maybe we missed or
didn't ask that you think is important?
Um,
>> no. I um
there there's there is another element
to this and this will be both for the
prosecution and the defense in terms of
what everyone's doing right now. This
leads more into to the defense as well
is that should this get to a penalty
phase, which means that they were
successful in proving activated murder
beyond a reasonable doubt, there's a
there's going to be a fight there of
aggravating circumstances, which the
prosecution is also looking into, uh,
and then also potentially mitigating
circumstances, uh, which I'm sure the
defense team is starting in earnest. The
defense team has their own team of
investigators. And one of the first
things that would happen in a case like
this is to build that mitigation
evidence. And that's exactly what the
defense is doing right now.
>> So dumb that down for me. I'm just a
dumb reporter. What does that mean?
Mitigating versus aggravating.
>> So what the jury would be tasked with in
that sentencing phase is to weigh
everything that has been presented to
them in trial and everything that's now
been presented at a sentencing phase.
for example, Charlie Kirk's wife would
be there to testify, closest friends,
parents, um, and then other people that
were impacted by this. I would imagine
maybe some students that saw this have
had trauma, you know, from this would be
able to testify and whatnot. And so
these would be aggravating portions. And
then the defense don't have to just sit
there on their hands and just see all of
this. they can bring in their own
witnesses and tell and it could be maybe
family members of Robinson or other
people or possible I mean there's so
many things that can come up in terms of
someone's background that they would be
looking into whether it's school whether
it's medical whether it's family whether
it's anything else they'd be looking to
to present to the jury these other
issues that are mitigating towards him
and then what happens is this is that
then the jury once everything is done
this is going to be a long trial of
course then they and they deliberate.
There's 12 of them and they have to
unanimously agree on two things. One,
does the aggravating circumstances
outweigh the mitigating circumstances.
And if they all unanimously agree on
that, then they have to make the the
decision is the death penalty the just
penalty in this case. And they have to
unanimously agree on that. So what what
the agg so what the prosecutor's
argument would be is that the
aggravating circumstances outweigh then
the defense's argument would be it
doesn't outweigh um that the mitigating
circumstances are pretty high and that
would be the battle there and so that's
another key element of of the case those
jam those are the two biggest issues in
this case the aggravating factor whether
other people were at great risk and then
the penalty phase
>> okay everything from what we understand
so far and he's of course innocent until
proven guilty. All these are
allegations, but if all that other
evidence stacks up, the the questions on
identity and intent and causation are
not terribly great for the defense and
overwhelmingly powerful for the
prosecution, assuming all of that comes
into place. And so these two legal teams
and both of them are very experienced,
very good attorneys on both sides. They
know what the issue is. The issue is the
aggravating issue and then the issue is
also just that penalty phase. Kind of
switching over to the defense side, we
did hear Kathy Nester, who represents
Tyler Robinson, say yesterday, you know,
she said to the judge, "Listen, I'm
still getting discovery. I'm still
getting evidence. I don't even really
know what we're up against yet." So, it
might be a little difficult to ask, you
know, what the defense might be doing
right now at this point. But just sort
of broad level, once they do get all
this discovery, sort of where do they
start? Do you think they kind of hone in
on that aggravated portion as well as
part of their defense?
>> Yeah, I'm sure they already know that
that's the thing that they have to clue
in on. They're going to go, they're
having their investigators focusing on
that, focusing on his background and
trying to develop mitigating evidence.
Nothing that the court that the
prosecution has will likely be all that
foreign to them.
>> It's just the overwhelming amount of
information that's coming. I mean, I
could only imagine how many terabytes
and literally just terabytes of
information that are I mean, it's
probably in the dozens, if not hundreds
that are coming because so much evidence
was collected by two amazing entities,
law enforcement in Utah and law
enforcement in the federal government.
That's a ton of reports, not to mention
all the video, not to mention all of,
you know, like this this long uh I guess
manhunt that was a part of this whole
thing. Uh so the amount of information
to go through is just simply going to be
overwhelming and that's just going to be
a huge portion of this. I mean a huge
portion is the prosecution to get all of
this discovery to then parlay this all
over to the defense team and then as
more discovery comes in to also parlay
this to the defense team. Uh, and so
it's just that's gonna be a huge factor
and it's really likely going to gum up
the wheels of justice in a sense because
there's just a ton that's out there. And
so I would imagine it's going to take a
little bit of time, for example, to get
you to the preliminary hearing because
the defense is going to say there's an
overwhelming amount of information for
us to scour through and we can't just do
this anytime soon. We we have to go
through all of it. Um, I want to be very
careful how I ask this because I don't
want to insult anybody, but the question
is is Tyler Robinson um is getting some
pretty good representation from what I
understand. Kathy Nester has been doing
this a long time. Correct. She's been a
federal um public defender. Correct.
>> Uh in in her past. I mean, she knows
what she's doing. And Tyler Robinson was
not assigned someone from just sort of
like the local public defender's office.
And again, I want to be very careful how
I ask that question. I'm not trying to
discredit anybody, but he has a pretty
good uh team representing him, does he
not?
>> He has a he has an amazing team. And
there's two reasons to to have that.
One, there is rule eight that just says
if you are going to be representing
someone that is subject to a capital
case, you have to be qualified to do so.
Okay? And not every defense attorney, of
course, is is qualified to do that. And
without that being established, you
can't even represent it. And that's
written in state law. You
>> that's written in state law. Exactly.
Right. But then this is the other thing
is the best thing for justice to occur
in this case to have a conviction that
will stand up over time because there's
literal decades of litigation should the
death penalty come. It's important for
Tyler Robinson. It's important for the
Kirk family. It's important for the
prosecutors. It's really important for
the for justice and for the for Utah in
general to have someone that's
effective, that's good, that's strong,
that can point out issues, and so
there's not all of these issues that are
litigated down the road for ineffective
assistance of counsel. The best way to
eliminate all of that is that you have
quite effective counsel right now, and
that's something worth paying for.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Um, and then one of
the final things that I think about in
this case is there's a lot of unique
things. And one of the unique things I
think about is according to prosecutors,
Tyler's parents were the ones that
helped facilitate his surrender. Could
we see them testifying against their own
son?
>> That is such a great question, and I've
been thinking about this a lot. Maybe
one of the most um amazing aspects of
this case that would literally ever
happen in in in a Utah courtroom could
be that could be his parents testifying
to what happened. And it looks like they
are really key and important witnesses
to this whole thing that they provided
an incredible amount of information.
There's no privilege as his parents can
get out of something like this. If
you're subpoenaed by say the Utah to to
testify, you have to testify. You have
to answer questions. unlike spouses, for
example,
>> spousal privilege.
>> Spousal privilege. There's not
parenting,
>> but not parent privilege.
>> Yeah. And so that will be really
something else that will be incredibly
powerful in that courtroom. I mean,
we'll see how this all pans out, of
course, and
>> we'll see how that testimony goes, but
those two are two of the most important
witnesses for the state of Utah, and it
happens to be the defendant's parents.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. Um, anything else that we
missed that you think is worth sharing
right now?
>> Yeah. as as this case is starting to be
built,
>> I I would just say it's important just
to know that something like this is not
going to be solved in a day. It's not
going to be solved in a month, okay?
It's going to take a long time. The
preliminary hearing won't be said
anytime soon. Not not nothing in the
next couple of months, of course. And
then that that trial is going to be
that's going to be a long hard slog. And
to find the amount of weeks that are
going to be needed for that is going to
take a while to get there.
>> Okay. Well, thanks again, Nathan, as
always for your time. Thank you.