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Michael Knowles stepped onto the University of Minnesota campus to fulfill a commitment made to Charlie Kirk before an assassin's bullet took the Turning Point USA founder's life. What was meant to be a conversation between two friends became a powerful tribute to a man who gave his life encouraging healthy debate across America's campuses. With an estimated 4,000 people packing an auditorium built for 2,700, students demonstrated they would not be intimidated into silence. Knowles sat down with students whose lives Charlie transformed, exploring how the 31-year-old conservative leader inspired a generation to embrace faith, engage in civil discourse, and refuse to surrender to forces seeking their destruction.
A Friendship Cut Short by Violence
Michael Knowles and Charlie Kirk were scheduled to host an event together at the University of Minnesota on September 22nd as part of Kirk's American comeback tour. Twelve days before that event could take place, an assassin's bullet took Charlie's life, triggering a national trauma the likes of which had not been seen in decades. The shooting occurred on a campus in Utah, where Kirk was doing what he did best—engaging students in dialogue and debate.
The assassination sent shockwaves through the conservative movement and beyond. As one observer noted, Kirk was killed because his words made a difference. He was described as the voice of a generation who gave voice to a generation, an irreplaceable figure and authentic American genius.
Celebration of Violence From the Left
While many mourned Charlie's death, disturbing reactions emerged from segments of the political left. Social media posts celebrated the killing with comments like "someone had to do it" and "put down like a dog in Utah." One person callously stated, "You know what kind of Nazi is the best Nazi? A dead one."
Knowles expressed disgust at the celebration, noting that Kirk was a man willing to engage in debate to resolve disagreements. The fact that people were celebrating his murder was sickening. Some even claimed Kirk was "not martyr material" and that "his death will mean nothing."
The Tour Must Go On
As the nation mourned, a critical question emerged: Would Charlie's tour continue? Turning Point USA insisted that it must. The organization announced that their campus tour would not only continue that fall but would expand in years to come. Kirk's widow affirmed this decision, stating that in a world filled with chaos, doubt, and uncertainty, her husband's voice would ring out louder and more clearly than ever.
Evil forces thought they could stop Charlie's movement, but his many friends and millions of admirers would not allow that to happen. The University of Minnesota event became the first Turning Point USA gathering since Kirk's death.
4,000 Strong: Refusing to Be Intimidated
The decision to continue the tour raised serious questions about safety. Would students feel comfortable attending amid widespread celebration of political violence against conservatives? The answer was a resounding yes. Campus security estimated 4,000 people showed up to an auditorium that could fit fewer than 2,700, demonstrating they would not be threatened or intimidated into silence.
What was intended to be a conversation between two friends with audience Q&A became a tribute to a man who gave his life to encourage healthy debate throughout the country, especially on campus. The event was for the freshman pledge, the junior sociology major, and all those kids scrolling through clips online, being exposed to new ideas and having their minds changed.
Knowles told the packed auditorium that they must now reassert order and reestablish healthy politics. Those who came out despite the threats and hardship showed they believed it could be done. The man they honored that night gave his life in confident hope that it could be done. He urged them to never despair, never surrender to forces seeking their destruction, and work tirelessly to ensure this moment truly becomes a turning point for America.
Students Whose Lives Charlie Changed
After his remarks, Knowles had the special pleasure of sitting down with students whose lives Charlie had transformed. These young people shared how they first encountered Kirk through Instagram and TikTok videos during high school, typically within the past one to two years.
One student explained that Kirk's impact went beyond politics—he made him a better Christian. The way Charlie spoke about his faith impacted him to become closer to his own faith and learn from Kirk's example.
More Than Just a Talking Head
When Knowles asked what distinguished Kirk from the countless other voices on social media, the students were unanimous: Charlie wasn't just some talking head. He actually lived what he preached and approached people with love. He genuinely wanted people to be better.
Kirk was going to campuses where people disagreed with him, where people were struggling and miserable, and he was trying to get them to a better place. That authenticity resonated deeply. One student agreed with the characterization that Kirk embodied both Rush Limbaugh and Billy Graham in the same person.
Students noted that Charlie always had his facts straight when debating. He would back up his faith with theology but then also return to statistics and concrete examples. This combination of spiritual conviction and factual rigor made him particularly effective.
Why They Hated Him
Knowles observed that the left seemed to hate Kirk with particular intensity, which he initially found strange given that Charlie was among the most moderate and gracious of conservative public figures. The students had insights into why Kirk aroused such ire.
One pointed to how his character shone through—the way he loved God, his family, and his country. Another recalled a clip where Charlie explained why universities hated having him on campus. Kirk had said that universities get students for four years, but if he could talk to them for just 30 seconds, he could change their whole lives. The universities recognized this power, and that's why they hated him.
Walking the Walk
Students repeatedly returned to how Charlie lived his life—that he walked the walk and practiced what he preached. Knowles mentioned that Kirk was one of his few friends with whom he'd never had a cigar and drink because Charlie didn't smoke or drink. He lived up to a very high standard, and students believed this is what really enraged his opponents.
When Knowles asked why they would join a political organization like Turning Point USA if they were seeking religious lessons rather than just joining a Christian campus group, one student explained that public policy affects everyone. Without good students in schools and good people in government, there won't be protection of religion—it will be further encroached upon.
The Eternal and The Political
Knowles praised Charlie for avoiding the trap many fall into—being either purely philosophical or purely political. Kirk was interested simultaneously in the eternal and the most nitty-gritty political details. He was always preaching the gospel and trying to get people to religion, but also focused on specific house races and voter registration efforts in states like Arizona.
Some saw this as a contradiction, but Knowles and the students saw it as coherence. You keep your eyes on the eternal destiny, the heavenly Jerusalem, but we're here with bodies, communities, nations, and families. Those two dimensions are not supposed to be disconnected.
We Have the Numbers
One student observed that the left likes to tell conservatives they don't have the numbers and should stay hidden. At club fairs, Catholics and Turning Point USA are relegated to the farthest back corner. But Kirk was effective at getting youth out and showing that conservatives have the numbers and can make a difference.
Despite Democrats technically winning young voters in 2024, young voters moved 10 points to the right. And who led the young voter efforts? Charlie Kirk. There was no number two. His approach of setting down his microphone, letting the other person talk, being approachable, and welcoming opposing viewpoints while pushing back respectfully made him stand out. He told the truth through his debates, and it was apparent he meant what he said.
Campus Reaction After the Assassination
When Knowles asked about the feeling on campus after the killing, students painted a disturbing picture. At the University of Minnesota Twin Cities, the day after President Trump was elected, students were offered mental health services, therapy dogs, and free food. But after September 10th, when Charlie was killed, students who came to campus grieving and attending vigils found that everyone else seemed pretty fine—even celebrating.
At the University of Minnesota Duluth, one student described hearing every two voices in the hallways celebrating Charlie's death. People who simply tried to have civil debate are not supposed to be murdered for it, regardless of their political affiliation. At a university that in principle endeavors to exchange ideas and arrive at truth, this should represent an existential threat to the institution's mission.
Both-Sidesing Political Violence
One student attended a small private school and had politics class at 9:00 a.m. the day after the assassination. He had been asked by his professor to announce the Minnesota event to the class. When he walked in, his liberal professor dismissed it with "Well, that's not happening" and an "oh well" attitude. The professor talked about political violence and tried to both sides the issue.
The student sat there knowing it was completely different—Kirk wasn't even in government, had no decision-making power, and was just trying to talk to people. Knowles pointed out the absurdity of the comparison, noting that the left can point to perhaps one or two examples of right-to-left political violence, while nearly every example in recent memory runs from left to right, going back through Black Lives Matter to the 1970s and 1960s. Moreover, left-wing political violence often isn't even categorized as such.
Direct Threats Go Unpunished
The students shared harrowing personal experiences with threats on campus. One student who served as president of the Turning Point USA chapter at the University of Minnesota Duluth was threatened by another student who said he would shoot him in the student common area. The student didn't go to school for three weeks and slept on the floor of his buddy's dorm room.
The school's solution was inadequate—they said they couldn't do anything until police finished their investigation, but that meant the threatening student, who was president of the socialist chapter, was still walking around campus. He was charged by police and pled down, but the school wouldn't tell the victim if he would be allowed back on campus. The student transferred schools and became involved with the Turning Point chapter there, while Nathan took over the Duluth chapter.
Another student was literally tabling when that threat happened and witnessed it firsthand. Knowles noted that if the situation had been reversed—if someone had accused these conservative students of a hate crime, no matter how absurd—it would be a statewide news story. But a direct threat to kill a conservative student passes by unnoticed.
Refusing to Live in Fear
Knowles raised a legitimate question about whether students would feel safe attending events after Charlie's assassination. When he told a liberal media outlet the event would proceed, they asked if people would show up or if they were scared. The insinuation was that conservatives should stay home and cede to these threats.
But the students were unequivocal: No, they were not afraid. As one explained, this is the turning point—they would come back stronger than ever. Another literally dropped a class to attend the event. For many, it came down to faith and knowing they were doing the right thing. They wanted Turning Point to still be around when they graduated.
One student articulated a theological perspective: You trust in the Lord, speak the truth, and whatever happens is God's will. As seen with Charlie, God can take something evil and use it to bring the most good. They saw themselves as agents cooperating with God's will.
Charlie's Impact: Converting, Not Just Preaching to the Choir
Knowles addressed the common criticism that Kirk was merely preaching to the choir. While he acknowledged the choir needs preaching, his impression was that Charlie genuinely turned people. The students confirmed this observation from their own experience with friends and classmates.
When the Turning Point chapter at one school started in November 2023, seven people attended the first meeting. After Charlie's death, they had about 30 at meetings and 45 in their group chat. The student predicted that future statistics would show Gen Z becoming more conservative and more Christian—a small revival—and Charlie's legacy would have a huge part in that.
At the University of Minnesota Duluth, membership went from about 30 before Charlie's killing to close to 80 afterward. Many people from moderate positions moved to the right. The impact was everywhere, even beyond youth—family members and neighbors who had been on the sidelines, believing in the conservative movement but not wanting to do anything, saw Charlie's courage and were inspired to get involved.
Charlie Did It Without Advantages
Students noted that Charlie didn't come from money, didn't have a fancy college degree, and didn't have connections to the richest people in the world. He just did it. He outworked everyone. This made his example accessible and inspiring—if Charlie could make such a huge impact by age 31, what excuse did others sitting on their couches have?
What Drives the Movement Forward
Looking to the post-Charlie future, students identified what would drive the movement: hunger for truth, hunger for normalcy and reality. What happened to Charlie is not normal. That shock would drive people to say they want normalcy back. The assassination exposes those celebrating it as completely crazy.
Responding to Those Who Celebrate Murder
When Knowles asked what should happen to people celebrating the murder of the most mainstream civil conversationalist—people who would celebrate the students' murders too—they advocated speaking out to let these people know it's not okay and there will be repercussions. But they emphasized doing it through Christian theology and letting God handle the rest, doing it in a civil way through civil authority when people step out of bounds. The consequences have to continue until behavior improves.
The Movement Continues
The Turning Point Tour continues with Charlie's friends from across the country stepping in to keep the movement moving forward. Students like Elizabeth Kleener, Sam Spain, Nathan McIntyre, and Tifa Feight can hear ideas that have otherwise been banished from campus. And perhaps some ambitious 17-year-old watching will feel called to dedicate himself to advancing the next great American movement, just as Charlie Kirk did.
Video Transcript
Charlie's impact, you know, he also made
me a better Christian. I saw Charlie on
YouTube and I was like, "All right,
let's get back into this thing."
>> He wasn't just like some kind of talking
head, but like actually lived and
approached people with love. Like he he
genuinely wanted people to be better.
>> On the 22nd, we will be in University of
Minnesota, Twin Cities. I'll see you in
Mogadishu,
Somalia.
>> I don't know how to respond in their
native language, but uh how see you up
there.
See you later. God bless you guys.
>> My friend Charlie Kirk and I were
scheduled to host an event together at
the University of Minnesota on September
22nd as part of his American comeback
tour. 12 days before that event could
take place. An assassin's bullet took
Charlie's life.
>> Charlie Kirk has been shot. Political
assassination,
>> triggering a national trauma the likes
of which we had not seen in decades.
that someone's life was taken because
they have a different opinion. It's just
unbelievable.
>> He was the voice of a generation and
gave voice to a generation.
>> He was killed because his words made a
difference.
>> He is irreplaceable. He was a true
authentic American genius.
>> This guy is reaching out to his mortal
enemy saying we need to be gentlemen sit
down together and disagree agreeably. He
was for dialogue. Open debate and
dialogue. Even with me.
>> I feel the gravity of the moment you're
talking about. But what if the other
side doesn't? What do we do?
>> Charlie Kirk just got shot.
>> Girl, someone had to do it.
>> Put down like a dog in Utah.
>> You know what kind of Nazi is the best
Nazi? A dead one.
>> Hey, this is a guy that was willing to
engage in debate to resolve
disagreements.
And the fact that I am seeing
celebration, this is disgusting.
>> He is not martyr material. So his death
will mean nothing.
>> As we all mourned Charlie's death, a
question had to be answered. Would his
tour go on? Charlie's organization TPUSA
insisted that it must.
>> Our campus tour this fall will continue.
There will be even more tours in the
years to come. In a world filled with
chaos, doubt, and uncertainty, my
husband's voice will ring out louder and
more clearly than ever. And I agreed
wholeheartedly.
Evil forces thought that they could stop
Charlie's movement. His many friends and
his millions of admirers would not allow
that to happen. Just a couple of hours,
the University of Minnesota will be
hosting the first Turning Point USA
event since its founder, Charlie Kirk,
was killed on a campus in Utah.
>> What was intended to be a conversation
between two friends with Q&A from the
audience became a tribute to a man who
gave his life to encourage healthy
debate throughout the country and
especially on campus. for the freshman
pledge, the junior sociology major, and
all those kids scrolling through clips
online, being exposed to new ideas, and
having their minds changed.
>> Charlie
found out
>> TPUSA's decision to continue the tour
raised a serious question.
>> Would students feel comfortable showing
up amid the widespread celebration of
political violence against people like
them? You need conservatives to be
afraid of getting killed when they go to
events so that they look to their
leadership to turn down the temperature.
The answer was a resounding yes. Campus
security estimated 4,000 people showed
up to an auditorium that could fit fewer
than 2,700 to show that they would not
be threatened and intimidated into
silence. What we must now do is reassert
order and reestablish a healthy
politics. You all who have come out here
tonight, despite the threats, despite
the hardship, have shown that you all
believe that it can be done. The man
that we honor tonight gave his life in
the confident hope that it can be done.
We must never despair. We must never
surrender to the forces that seek our
destruction. And we must work tirelessly
to ensure that this moment truly becomes
a turning point for America. Thank you
very much.
It was an honor to pay tribute to the
man they came to see, the man who set
the standard for campus outreach at
healthy debate. And it was a special
pleasure to sit down there with some of
the students whose lives Charlie had
changed. When did you first encounter
Charlie Kirk?
>> Well, I first encountered Charlie when I
was in high school. Um, I saw all his
videos on, you know, Instagram and Tik
Tok.
>> About two years ago. It's the same year
that I came back to my faith as well.
>> H yeah, about junior senior year of high
school. Saw his Instagram videos. Very
moving.
>> Yeah, mine was about the same way with
the Instagram videos just about a year
ago.
>> It's the best recommendation for kids to
be on TikTok and Instagram that I've
ever heard. You say that you were out of
your faith and then you came back into
it. How did that happen?
>> I just felt God's presence and, you
know, with Charlie's impact, you know,
he also made me a better Christian. I
think the way that Charlie spoke about
his faith just like impacted me more to
be just super close to my faith as much
as possible and to learn from him as
well.
>> So, what what is it about him? There are
plenty of people who talk. There were
plenty of people on Tik Tok and
Instagram, most of whom are disreputable
and should not be uh viewed by
teenagers. What was it about him that
grabbed you?
>> Uh I think it was mostly I mean just the
way he lived his life. He wasn't just
like some kind of talking head but like
actually lived and approached people
with love. Like he he genuinely wanted
people to be better. He was call he was
going to these campuses where people
disagreed with him. People were
struggling. people were miserable and he
was trying to get them to a better place
and I think that resonated with a lot of
people.
>> People say that he's the embodiment of
Rush Limba and Billy Graham in the same
person.
>> I couldn't agree more to that combo.
>> Yeah. No, and that's just really
inspiring for not only on a political
scale, but also just my faith and just
Christianity as a whole.
>> I thought he always had his facts known
and set straight when he was debating.
So, it was really nice to hear someone
not just, you know, spitballing things,
but he'd bring the facts back with it
and then he'd back up his faith with
theology, but then he'll also go back to
like statistics and what, you know, some
people would call concrete examples.
>> It seems like the left hated him in
particular. And for a while I thought
this was really weird because of all the
people in public life who would go
around give speeches organize campaign
of all of them he was in many ways the
most moderate or the most uh gracious
generous he was certainly up there and
so I said of all the people you you're
going to try to get why him why do you
think he aroused such eye just the way
his character the way he loved God his
family his country and how that shone
through there There was some clip where
they asked Charlie like why the
universities hate having him on campus
and why there's so much push back from
the university. And obviously there's a
lot of reasons, but Charlie said
something like the universities get
these kids for four years and they know
that if I talk to them for 30 seconds, I
can change their whole lives. I think
they saw that and I think that's why
they hated him.
>> You keep coming back to religion and
specifically the way he lived his life
that he actually walked the walk. He
practiced what he preached. Charlie is
one of my few friends that I've never
had a cigar and a drink with because he
didn't smoke and he didn't drink. I
found it very frustrating. Uh but but he
really lived that. You think that that
very very high standard and he lived up
to it that that is what really enraged
people?
>> Absolutely. Yeah.
>> If that's what you're really interested
in, why wouldn't you join the Christian
group on campus? What what would attract
you to a political organization like
Turning Point USA if you're seeking
those religious lessons?
>> Well, public policy affects everyone.
So, if we don't have good students in
schools, we don't have good people in
government, then we won't have that
protection of religion. It's going to be
further encroached by, you know, one of
the parties. No,
>> this is something I always loved about
Charlie because there are plenty of dime
store philosophers who will write some
white paper that no one cares about, but
they have their brilliant idea and
everyone has to go read their book or
whatever. And Charlie, weirdly, was
interested at the same time in the
eternal and the most nitty-gritty
political. So he was he was always
preaching the gospel, always trying to
get people to religion, but also focused
on that house race in Missouri 5 and all
focused on making sure they sign up
enough voters in Arizona. And I think
some people saw that as a contradiction,
but I certainly do not. I agree with
Charlie on that, which is, yeah, you've
got your eyes on the prize. You've got
your eyes on the eternal destiny, the
heavenly Jerusalem. But we're here,
aren't we? We have bodies. We have
communities. We have nations and
families. We got to do something about
that. Those those two things really are
not supposed to be disconnected.
>> Yeah. I think the left likes to try and
tell us that we don't have the numbers
like like that. We just need to kind of
stay hidden and, you know, do our own
little thing in the corner. I know when
we have club fairs, it's always, you
know, the Catholics and Turning Point
USA are in the farthest back corner away
from everybody. You got to like realize
that we have people. We have a movement.
And I think Charlie was really good
about especially with the youth getting
the youth out and knowing that we have
the numbers. We can do this. The
Democrats still technically won young
voters in 2024 barely. And young voters
moved 10 points to the right. And who
led the young voter efforts? It was
Charlie. There was no number two. How
did he do it so effectively? You know,
plenty of people would go to campus and
talk and even even the format of change
my mind, prove me wrong, ask me
anything. You know, that's a format
that's been around for a long time.
Plenty of people have done it. Why was
he so good at it?
>> He set his mic down just so that like he
would let the other person talk. Like it
was a very inspiring way on w how he was
always so approachable and he just
welcomed that other diversity side and
like kind of was able to push back
against that and like was a really
comforting guy. I feel like he really
told the truth through his debate. It
was very apparent that like he meant
what he said and that's what really
stood out to like people.
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So, what's the feeling on campus after
this happens? Obviously, Charlie was
riing up all these left-wingers who
didn't want to have an honest
conversation. So much so that one of
them murdered him. And then many other
normie liberals and mainstream liberals
and establishment liberals and people on
TV and people in government excused it
or tried to justify it or in some cases
even celebrated it. What's the feeling
among the left on campus today?
>> Well, I can speak for the Twin Cities.
So, the day after President Trump was
elected, we were offered mental health
services, those dogs that we can pet, um
free food, stuff like that. Um,
>> in fairness, I think those students
probably could use some mental health
services. I think you're right.
>> Yeah. But then like, you know, after
September 10th, um, the 11th, I came to
campus. I was texting my friends. We
were all really sad. We were still
grieving. Went to a bunch of vigils, but
everyone else on campus seemed pretty
fine, pretty okay, which I guess you
could say it was disheartening, but I
wasn't expecting anything less. So
>> I mean for Duth when after the news that
Charlie passed away like every two
voices I heard you know going throughout
the hallways was like they were
celebrating it and I was just like I
mean just how can you even do that? It's
crazy and it's just Theuth needs a big
change and ob I'm obviously trying to
get that underway. But uh I mean it's
just crazy. People who just try to have
civil debate are not supposed to be
murdered for it on the left or on the
right or in the middle or anywhere else.
That's not supposed to happen. And at a
university which in principle endeavors
to exchange ideas and arrive at the
truth, that's an existential threat to
the mission of the university. How could
the university not take that seriously?
I go to a school at a small private
school and I had politics class 9:00
a.m. the day after. And I was actually
supposed to, the professor had asked me
to make an announcement to the class
about the event that was supposed to
happen here and see if any of my class
would want to come along. Uh I walked in
and my professor was like, "Well, that's
not happening." And he's he's a liberal
professor. He kind of just had it like a
oh well. And he talked about political
violence, you know, the next day and
kind of just tried to both sides the
issue. And I was kind of just sitting
there like it's completely different.
He's not even in the government. He has
no like decision-making power and he's
just trying to talk to people. In no way
is
>> right. I guess this is why the
comparison is so ridiculous. one because
the left can point to one or two
examples of political violence right to
left. Even that though, let's say you
get one or two where you say it's right
to left. Every other example you can
name in recent memory at least going
back to BLM actually going back much
further to the 70s to the 60s to all of
the examples are from the left and a lot
of the time they're not even categorized
as political violence. There was an
attack at the University of Pittsburgh a
couple years ago. I was there. It was a
debate over transgenderism. Antifa threw
an explosive at the building when we
were walking on stage. It seriously
injured a female cop, not classified as
political violence.
>> So, I was president at UMD, the where
Nathan is now. I was president of the
Turning Point USA chapter there last
year. We were preparing to host a
speaker and a student on campus
threatened to shoot me in the student
common area. I didn't go to school for
three weeks. The school didn't do
anything. I slept on the floor of my
buddy's dorm room. The school's solution
was they said they couldn't do anything
to the student until police had finished
their investigation. Well, that doesn't
mean no good. He's still walking around
campus. He's the president of the
socialist chapter.
>> I mean, that's a crime. It's a crime to
to levy a direct threat.
>> Yes, absolutely. And he was charged with
by the police and he pled down. I don't
know if he's still on campus. The school
wouldn't tell me if he would be allowed
to come back. So, I transferred schools.
Uh I'm now involved with the Turning
Point chapter at my other school and
Nathan here's taken over DUTH very
courageously. Those are just the threats
you don't even hear about. Of course.
>> Yeah, we were literally tableabling when
that happened. I was right next to him
when that happened. It
>> it's like mindblowing.
>> Now, of course, if if it had been in the
other direction, if someone had accused
you of a hate crime, no matter how
absurd, it would be a statewide news
story, but a direct threat to kill you
>> passes by. So then what's your take on
campus now? because it's a legitimate
question. I was doing an interview with
a a liberal outlet earlier. They said,
"Okay, so is the the event going to go
on?" And I said, "Yes, it is. I spoke to
Turning Point. They want it to go on. I
think that's the right decision. I would
be happy to do whatever they want to do,
but if they want to do it, I'm going to
show up. We can't back down in front of
these people." The host of the show
asked me, "Well, are people going to
show up? Aren't they scared? You know,
isn't it? It's kind of dangerous, isn't
it?" The insinuation being that we need
to stay home. We need to to seed to
these threats. But it's a real it's a
real concern. Are you guys afraid? No.
No. Why not?
>> I mean, like everyone's been saying,
this is the turning point. This is when
we come back stronger than ever. That's
not going to turn us down. We're going
to come back and live through him even
more.
>> I literally dropped a class just to be
here.
>> All right, my man.
>> It comes down to faith for me, but also
like when you know you're in the right,
you're doing the right thing. So, I want
a turning point to be here when I
graduate. That was my goal coming here.
>> You don't want to have something where
you regret not being involved, you know,
and you got you trust in the Lord. You
say the truth. Whatever happens is God's
will. It's going to happen. And we see
with Charlie, he can take something that
is evil and use it to bring the most
good. And we are agents cooperating with
God's will.
>> So, I totally agree with that. What's
your impression of Charlie and his
impact? Because I think a lot of people
would say, "Well, he was preaching to
the choir. All you kids were already
conservative and you got to preach to
the choir. The choir needs preaching."
But that's not my impression. I from
what I would see, he really turned
people. Is that seeing your friends and
your classmates? Did that happen?
>> Yeah. So, when we started our chapter
back in November of 24, I had seven
people at my first meeting. Then last
week we had about 30 about 45 in our
group chat. You can't say it now, but in
the future we're going to see the
statistics show that Gen Z is going to
become more conservative. They're going
to become more Christian and it's going
to be a small revival. And I think
Charlie's head is going to have a huge
part in that.
>> Yeah, we had uh going back before
Charlie's uh unfortunate, you know,
killing. We had about 30 members at
Duth. Now we're up to like 70, getting
close to 80 now. And we've had a lot of
people, you know, from kind of moderate
sides also go to the right side, which
is a awesome pretty awesome to see. So,
the impact's just everywhere. And we're
trying to continue that.
>> I've seen a lot of people, not even just
youth, but even I've had like obviously
I had a lot of people texting me, you
know, cuz they knew I was involved with
Turning Point. I had family members and
neighbors texting me and now they all
want to get involved. And so it it it's
not even just the youth. It's it's
people who were kind of like on the
sidelines kind of they they believe in
the conservative movement, but they
don't really want to do anything. And
they see Charlie's courage and it's kind
of been like, well, Charlie did all
these things when he was 31. He made
such a huge impact and I'm here sitting
on my couch
>> and and Charlie didn't come from money.
Charlie didn't have some fancy college
degree. Charlie didn't have connections
to all the richest people in the world.
He just kind of did it. He outworked
them.
>> He did. He did outwork them. Post
Charlie, people have to figure out what
to do, how to keep the coalition
together, where to move, what that
turning point is going to be. What's
going to drive it?
>> The hunger for truth, the hunger for
just normaly and reality. What happened
to Charlie is not normal. That shock is
going to drive them and they're going to
say, "We want normaly." And it exposes
like we've kind of been discussing all
the all the people who've been
celebrating this. It exposes them as
complete just like crazy people. What
should happen to those people? The ones
who are celebrating and and I guess
that's throughout all of society. There
are students who are doing it. There are
professors who are doing it. Doctors and
nurses and teachers and waiters. What is
the response to to the people who would
celebrate the murder of of the the most
mainstream civil conversationalists? You
know, in other words, would celebrate
your murder, too.
>> Yeah. I think it really puts it on us to
like speak out towards those people and
like let them know that this isn't okay.
There's going to be repercussions for
this. Like,
>> yes. To not fight violence with
violence, we got we got to do it through
our Christian theology and God will
handle the rest.
>> Yes. Yeah. do it in a civil way through
the civil authority sometimes, you know,
and people step out of bounds. But
that's right. The the consequences have
to continue until the behavior improves.
I think I think that's what what a
turning point means. Wonderful to sit
down with all of you. Thank you for
risking well, not only your safety, but
also your grades and the classes that
you're skipping to come down here. It's
it's great to see you. The Turning Point
Tour continues this fall with Charlie's
friends from across the country stepping
in to keep the movement moving forward
so that people like Elizabeth Kleener,
Sam Spain, Nathan McIntyre, Tifa Feight
can hear ideas that have otherwise been
banished from campus. And maybe some
ambitious 17-year-old watching will even
feel called to dedicate himself to
advancing the next great American
movement.