My HEATED Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk Debate w/ TPUSA Pastor!

there was a trap door in the ground and and and and maybe the person could have escaped through there or whatever. She's done all of that and only and the only thing that people are doing that are that are sensible, that are balanced and are being fair, which you're not, you know, is addressing clearly what she has stated and what she has said. Candace Owens is over her skis. Everything else you said is absolutely a lie. Respectfully, that is not true. She did not blame TPU USA of taking out Charlie Kirk. She did not blame BB Netany and Yahoo for taking out Charlie Kirk. She has never blamed Phil Lyman for taking out Charlie Kirk. She has never blamed the security detail for taking out Charlie Kirk. What you just said is not true. Pastor multiple times on Candace Owens's podcast. I don't know how many times this woman has to say it. She has made it clear. I have never said that Israel did anything to Charlie Kurt. She's literally said verbatim and I quote, "I don't have the evidence for that." What she has said, and this is her quote, Pastor John, she has said, "I believe it was a military operation." >> Not once have, not once have I on your platform claimed that you were being hypocritical. Because I haven't been a hypocrite. >> No, no, no, no. You said that about me earlier because you were being a hypocrite. Pastor, >> you said you said you said that. Now, that's being rude. You don't bring a guest on. Let me let me help you out here, man. If if you're if you're doing something hypocritical and I call it out, that's not rude. >> Don't bring a guest on and say that they're a hypocrite. Don't be >> I disagree. I disagree. >> A liar. Because you know what's going to happen when you bring a guest on and do that? >> I I I've been mostly I I've been respectful to you since you've been on here. But this is what I'm saying. Only you get to speak. I should get to speak too, man. And you say notoriety. Respectfully, pastor, I have notoriety as well. >> You have a lot. Why Why do you think I'm on your platform? >> Oh, I you're a pastor. I don't think that would have mattered to you. >> And person uh person who has temperance is going to handle this situation. They're not going to be out there constantly releasing and divulging information that should not be out in the public which could potentially skew the trial. Okay. >> How could it skew the trial? How? Let me let me let me >> How could the truth remember you're about truth? How could truth ever skew anything? DD, you can enjoy the speculation game and being being the investigator. Continue to do it. This is going to trial. This is going to court. I'm I'm I'm going to tell you the truth. I don't play in investigator. I don't I don't need to play investigator. >> So, you just ignore red flags. Is it possible that the feds are corrupt? >> The the feds that we believe uh killed MLK, >> pastor, have you seen any red flags from anything from the Charlie Kirk incident? Any red flags? >> Yes, sir. >> Welcome back to Dee Got a Podcast and of course I'm your host, Dee. Um, listen, last night I had a very intense conversation. One could use the language of a very intense debate with a pastor that I now know to be a pastor that is on the payroll of Turning Point USA. So, it's technically a Turning Point USA pastor. His name is Pastor John Amanuku. uh very respectful conversation until we started to speak about Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk and it it it it it switched and it turned up real fast. And this is the pastor that I've known about for probably a couple of years now. A lot of his videos have went viral because he goes to school boards and call out these school districts that are allowing these inappropriate books um that are accessible to our children. And I love and I respect him for that, for speaking truth to power. But a lot of his videos on Candace, if you're critical about Candace for something that's fair and truth and you're telling the truth about it, I have no problem with it. But I defend truth on this channel regardless of who the person is that I'm defending in the process. And in this case, it just happens to be Candace Owens. Don't lie about the woman's positions. Say what she really says. Say what she's really doing and then if you disagree with it, go with it. But don't be spreading misinformation and lies. Don't just be calling people cuckoo and crazy. There's a quote by Dave Chappelle that stuck with me. Um, the most dismissive thing you can do is to call a person crazy. I don't understand this person. A lot of these people are not crazy. Maybe our environment is a little sick. >> Ain't no weak people talking to you. So what is happening in Hollywood? Nobody knows. The worst thing to call somebody is crazy. It's dismissive. I don't understand this person. So they're crazy. That's [ __ ] These people are not crazy. They're strong people. Maybe the environment is a little sick. >> And I and I love that quote. And I think it applies here very much so. Um, so hit that like button on your way in if you do not mind. And without further ado, let's let's get into the interview. Then there's a time when it's time to make a thing public and address it. If it happens public, address it. If it if it happens publicly, address it publicly. [clears throat] >> If it happens privately, address it privately. >> Amen. I'm with you. I agree. And so there shouldn't be a constant thread of divulging private things. I see the smile. [laughter] >> We We'll get to it. We We'll get to it. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's the first time you you smile that hard today. Uh [laughter] there's a way to handle things now because we're going to get to all of the private things. They're going to go to trial. information is being compound. But you know, you shouldn't let the left hand >> know what the right hand is doing. >> Know what the right hand is doing. See, a fool blabbers and spews everything that's here. At a certain per at a certain point, you learn I'm I'm going to sit on that. And I'm sure you've done this before. Maybe, maybe not. You get ready to text something, type something, post something, say something. >> You sit back and you think how you should say it, if you should say it. >> Yeah. And you end up and you may have typed a thousand characters. You You're getting ready to go in and the Holy Spirit says, "Maybe not right now. >> Not right now. Don't do that. Don't don't don't do that now. There's a ministry in knowing when not now is the best thing to go with. Pastor John, >> talk to me. >> Candace Owens. >> All right. >> Before we speak about Candace Owens as it relates to Charlie Kirk >> and that entire incident, could you just let us know, let me know, generally speaking what you think about Candace Owens, the person, right? Say say that one more time. I I had to look down for some. >> Yeah, absolutely. Um not Candace Owens as it relates to the Charlie Kirk incident. We'll speak about that next, but first if if you could just let me know how you think about Candace Owens generally speaking as a person. >> In relationship to what? >> Uh just just uh what do you think about her politics? I mean like >> do I like her hair? Do I like the way she talks? her politics like what you've seen from her, how she conducts herself, her politics. What do you think about Candace Owens? >> 10 years ago, five years ago, today >> in the last five years, three years, two years. >> Yeah. I mean, [laughter] >> yeah. Uh the first time that I met Candace Owens, man, I was elated to meet her, you know, um because of much of the work that she did um during President Trump's first campaign and during an era where there weren't many black conservatives speaking up and speaking out. You know, she she stood in the trenches. She debated people like TI, right? And and I believe Killer Mike. She I mean that that's retro. That that that's back in the day. That's before it became popular to say that you were a black Christian conservative and you know do all that stuff. She she was doing it then. I I held her in high regard and and and high respect you know uh for for those things. Um so the first time I met her you know I honored her for that. Thanked her for that. Matter of fact I said hey man uh Candace I don't have anything for you to to sign but will you sign my hand? [laughter] All right. And when I get home, I'm going to tell my wife Candace Ow inside my hand and I'm not going to wash my hand ever. You know, I I I was very elated to meet to meet her. Um, do I agree with everything that she's said of late? I don't. Do I do I think that there are better ways to handle situations? I do. Um, do I think that she is still on a journey when it comes to her faith? Of course. I think that she is right. You know, according to David Harris Jr., um there was a time frame where Candace was praying to the universe. Let me say that again. There was a time when she was praying to the universe and he corrected her and said, "Hey man, why are you praying to the universe when you can get to know the God of the universe?" All right? And so his intent was to move her towards a more biblical worldview. get her grounded in her Christian faith. You know, I don't know what of what faith she was prior to that. You know, maybe she was just a seeker and praying to the universe. And I I I don't I don't know. And then she went from, I believe, being a Christian to now being a Catholic and all all of that stuff. But that came at a unique time right after she left the Daily Wire. All of a sudden, boom. You know what I mean? She she she popped up as a [gasps] as as as a Catholic. And so I you know you know um yeah but um but the things that she said about the the case thus far um some of the stuff that she has said has has has proven to to to to not not be true. Um >> like what >> like the letter with BB Netanyahu and the sentiments and the tone and the tenor of that letter. You know, it was the full letter was released. We've all had act have access to it. It's over seven pages long. And you see within the letter that yeah, Charlie was doing his best to support BB and Israel and give them some critical advice on how they need to handle their own PR and their own wars that they're um battling as it relates to how people have are starting to view Israel. Mhm. >> You know, he goes to great length in re making recommendations on how they can handle that. He pretty much told him that you all need to mimic some of the things that President Trump is doing with this administration. He asked them that he did they even have a PR person who essentially does what Caroline Levit does, you know, >> right? He he he went on at great length on how they could better themselves, you know, and what they needed to do, you know, to instead of outsourcing to other countries the responsibility of speaking up for them, they needed to do more on their own, you know, and so he he went to um a great extent on on on supporting them, which also showed me that although it was clear that he was frustrated with some of his um donors. Um some of the donors who bowed out over over a course of time because of who he platformed, who he allowed to speak, men like Tucker Carlson and stuff like that. Some donors bowed out. Um he was frustrated with um some people calling him anti-semitic because of a debate that he had at the um at one of the um recent TPUSA events as well. He was frustrated by that. He made some statements on the Megan Kelly show and all of all of that, you know, and so th those things were were are clearly there. But that's pretty much how I feel about Candace. Um I I do think that she needs much prayer. Um you know, let let me let me let me say this. D a friend of mine posted this today and and he's and and he's right. This is what he said. He said first she blamed BB Netanyahu. She blamed BB Nahu for what? >> What? What do you think >> for Charlie? That's a lie. Never happened. >> All right, then. I maybe we've been listening to the um to different information. >> Yeah, it's impossible for you to pull up any clip where she's ever done that. She's never done that. >> She First she blamed BB Netanyahu. I disagree with that. If I had time to do it, I will pull it up, but I will get it. Okay. >> Um then she blamed Jewish donors. Then she blamed Israel. Then she blamed the candidate of Utah uh for for Utah governor. That's uh candidate Phil Lyman. Then she blamed the FBI and the CIA. Then she blamed a second shooter. Then she blamed the security detail. And everybody was claiming that that that Charlie's security team um intentionally didn't uh help stop the bleeding and all the stuff like that. People are saying that she she's alluded alluded to the fact that his security team failed. And let let me put a pin here. The same security detail that Charlie Kirk Charlie Kirk used at that event and nationally when he was alive is the same security detail that protects me when I go to schoolboard meetings. And so I know these men and I know them quite I know them quite well. There's much information that I could divulge and share at this moment that I'm not going to because I'm not a fool. The Bible talks about the fool constantly spewing everything that's in their mind. You're not you're not supposed to do that. Then then she blamed TPUSA. All right. Now she is blaming the Trump admin for Charlie's death and saying things like, "Hey, you know, when they give you a boulevard and they give you a holiday, they killed You know what happened? You know what happened? They they they killed you. Uh and so yeah, I mean, she's she's been all over the place. Could this be a part of her grieving process? It's it's it's it's it's possible, but I think that she should have done what she's currently doing, and that is taking some time away to properly grieve and get things together. and you're shaking your head and hey I I understand. Go ahead. >> Well, um well, first and foremost, I'm happy that you're on. Um it speaks a lot to your character and who you are as a man. >> Um and I'm excited to talk about this with you. With all due respect, everything that you just said, outside of we'll talk about the video that just just got released of Candace Owens yesterday because I think partly of what you said with that is true. Everything else you said is absolutely a lie. Respectfully, that is not true. She did not blame TPU USA of taking out Charlie Kirk. She did not blame BB Netany and Yahoo for taking out Charlie Kirk. She has never blamed Phil Lyman for taking out Charlie Kirk. She has never blamed the security detail for taking out Charlie Kirk. She has never said that. In fact, many times on her channel, and by the way, let me say this. If if Candace Owens is wrong for something, I've said it many times on my channel. I'll call out any person regardless of who it is. But if a person is being lied upon and I'm present for it and I know that they're being lied on lied upon, I'm going to speak up for that person. What you just said is not true. Pastor, multiple times on Candace Owens's podcast, I don't know how many times this woman has to say it. She has made it clear. I has I have never said that Israel did anything to Charlie Kirk. She she's literally said verbatim, and I quote, I don't have the evidence for that. what she has said and this is her quote pastor John she has said I believe it was a military operation that is what she said she's never ever ever what you are talking about is during the investigative series on her podcast she's pointed out many red flags that happened on the day that char that the whole Charlie Kirk incident happened she never once said I think they did something to to Charlie Kirk if someone did something if something does not if you turn over all stones and you find that there are bugs under that stone and you say that, hey, those bugs are under this stone. I found a beetle. I found a wasp. >> That's not saying the beetle and the wasp did say said thing. She's saying this is what I found so far. We're going to continue to look. We're going to continue to search. Let me ask you this, Pastor John. Well, no. Diddy. It's apparent that when we watch Candace Owens, when I have time to do so, when you have time to do so, that we're leaving with different viewpoints. That that that's evidently clear because >> But you can't make up something that she never said. >> Well, I'm not attempting to, you know, I mean, I have I haven't said one thing since I've been on you for been on here for the past 40 minutes plus that I could not back up with evidence. And what I what I and what I felt and what >> including the the the the post that you just read from your your your friend including that >> from which one from the friend >> um when you said that she first she accused Phil Lyman and first she accused BB are you saying that you can back that up? >> Let me let me say this to you. If you go back and listen to the segments okay she's insinuating through insinuating through this strategy of asking questions. Okay. And everyone thinks that, hey, we're going to figure out who framed Roger Rabbit. We're going to be MacGyver. You know what I mean? We we are going to be Inspector Gadget. And I'm going to ask all of these questions and come up with all these things and and and even go as far as to to say post things and say things like this where she said, "Don't worry about the gag order in the Charlie Kirk case. I plan to violate it on on the world's behalf. The things I've discovered this past week are enough to burn the house down. >> What house? Burn the house down. And what? And yes, Charlie was betrayed by everyone. >> Pastor John, let me ask you this question first. >> No. Did he The burden of proof is not on me. It's on you. You feel you feel you feel as if you feel as if the things that I just mentioned are a lie. The burden I know that they are. >> The the burden of proof is on you because there are millions of people who are watching this stuff who come away with the takeaway that she's constantly bringing up some rabbit hole mystery adventure and she's going from this to that. She even went as far to say that, you know, maybe we're looking upward and maybe we need to look below because, you know, >> wait, wait, wait. >> No, because she said that there there there was a there was a trap door in the ground and and and and maybe the person could have escaped through there or whatever. She she's done all of that and only and the only thing that people are doing that are that are sensible that are balanced and are being fair, which you're not, you know, is addressing clearly what she has stated and what she has said. Candace Owens is over her skis. She's doing she's number one she needs to take the approach that temperance leads you towards. She's not she's not Charlie Kirk's wife. >> Okay, that's fair. >> Number one, >> why do you need to be his wife? >> She's she's speaking with authority that she doesn't have. >> Hold on. Hold on. Okay, Pastor John speak authority. >> Here's the question. Here's the question. Do you know for a fact what happened to Charlie Kirk? We both know the answer to that. The answer is no. You don't. >> So So, so >> you don't know. >> Bingo. >> I don't know. >> Bingo. >> We've listened to the specula speculations of Candace Owens and she doesn't know. >> She She doesn't know. >> Yep. >> And so therefore, >> you're supposed to search for it. You're supposed to look into it. You're supposed to do what a friend is doing. I agree with you. >> A friend does not say that Charlie Kirk was betrayed by everyone. >> If she has evidence to support it, she can say that. >> What? No. Where is the evidence? >> She said that she's going to talk about it next week. I'm not speaking for her in the f What I'm telling you is >> No. What you're doing, what you're doing right now is you are excusing away the numerous rabbit hole adventures that she's kept everywhere. >> Why would you not? If I place myself in Candace Owens's position and my friend was powpowed on camera for the whole world to see and it's major red flags around everything. The security detail had extremely suspicious behavior. You have all this suspicious behavior that millions of people have have seen all across the world. Why would you not look into it? Why would you not say something about it, pastor? You supposed to stay silent. >> About four minutes ago, you said that she did not blame the security detail. >> I agree. >> And now you're saying that you look at the security detail and it's clear red flags and issues with the detail. security detail. But you're saying that because that's what she has implied. And the problem is this DD, you can't >> John saying that the security detail did something that looked weird. It's not saying that they killed Charlie Kirk, man. >> But it but it's implying >> it's not it's saying that they were they were negligent. >> Like maybe they didn't do a they were incompetent. >> But here's the thing. You don't know. Have you listened to the interview that Andrew Kovette did um and Tyler Boyer did where they talked about the security detail and to what extent they went to to protect Charlie Kirk for that event? >> No, I've not seen the full interview in full. >> Okay. The security detail reached out to the campus. >> Okay. to vet the event and they made requests and recommendations. Okay. They wanted to have a drone of their own that they could use to secure rooftops. >> Okay. >> But that was rejected by the university. Okay. And that much that much I I I I can say >> someone on the ground said otherwise that was a part of the security team. >> I covered that yesterday. So I'm not saying that what you're saying isn't true, but I heard otherwise. the campus said that that um TPUSA security detail and again I don't know if this is true but the guy on the ground that's a part of the law enforcement I covered on the video yesterday said that when they coordinated with TPUSA and they asked them about working together they rejected them and it confused them because they didn't know if this was common for TPUSA on all college campuses but they turned them down. This is what the security guy said. >> That That's what the law enforcement person said >> on campus at UVU, >> right? That's the law enforcement. So, let's make sure we're we're we're des um clearly depicting who's who. You have the law enforcement of that campus and then you have Charlie Kirk's security detail that has protected him for eight plus years. The same group by and large. Okay. The two two different two different groups of of of people. Okay. When you go to a college campus, they have their own law enforcement and police, >> right, >> on that campus. >> It's not confusing, right? But you but but you just said that they talked to each other in the interview. They talked about how they coordinated with the law enforcement on campus. Correct. >> What I what what I'm stating is this and I I was initially asking had you watched it, you know, and so I'm I'm now sharing with you the additional details that you need to hear and your audience needs to hear. >> Okay. >> Now, this is going to trial. This is going to court. I'm I'm I'm gonna tell you the truth. I don't play in investigator. I don't I don't need to play investigator. >> So, you just ignore red flags. >> No, I don't I don't ignore red flags. I just know I just I just know this right here that uh at the end of the day, if I figure if I think I figured out who framed Roger Rabbit and who killed Charlie Kirk, am I going to be a bounty hun hunter and go arrest that person? you know, so I'm going to do things in a proper manner and I'm going to get it to the proper people, >> okay? >> So they can do their job. And that's how a sensible, prudent, and person uh person who has temperance is going to handle this situation. They're not going to be out there constantly releasing and divulging information that should not be out in the public, which could potentially skew the trial. Okay. >> How could it skew the trial? How? Let me let me let me >> How could the truth, Remember, you're about truth. How could truth ever skew anything? >> DD, you can enjoy the speculation game and being being the invest in investigator. Continue to do it. You know, people love it. People are gonna watch you for it. It's going to work with the algorithm. You're gonna do well with it. You you you you keep that up. Okay? That's that's that that's your deal. You >> answer the question, pastor. How can the truth skew anything? It's the truth. >> The truth never skews anything. But you cannot get out here and speak as if you're speaking truth, but you're only speculating at the same time, and you don't know what you're talking about. >> How can they mess up the tr How can they mess up the trial? >> The truth and and speculation are not the same thing. I agree. How can it mess up the trial? >> That's the problem. That is the problem with Candace Owens right now. >> How could either one mess up the trial? >> Walking away. People are walking away with what she's saying as if it's truth, law, and gospel. But who cares? They They aren't the jury. >> Only It's only It's only conjecture and it's only speculation. Back to truth. Back to truth. Turning Point USA's security team, they reached out to the campus. They attempted to get a drone on campus. They were told that they could not bring their own drone on campus and that they would that and that Charlie's personal security detail would be responsible for the close protection of Charlie and that the perimeter and the rooftops will be secured by the campus police. All right, >> Pastor John, do you know if that's true? >> Whoever they brought in, >> do you know if that actually happened? I know that you're >> speculating. >> I I'm not speculating. >> How do you know it's true? >> I'm I'm giving you factual things that took place. >> How do you know? >> Am I I cannot divulge. >> But what you do know? >> I know. I do. I do know. We did. You brought me on for n for numerous reasons >> to do the nicities to talk about my national campaign but to [clears throat] ultimately get to the Candace Owen situation because I am directly connected to Turning Point USA and that I've and I've worked with them for a number of years. It's within the realm of possibility that I might have information that most people don't have. Okay. And you're getting your information and you're still pushing me back now that I'm that I'm giving you the information. Pastor John, respectfully, you're you're being disingenuous. Candace Owens is also connected to TPUSA and you're saying that she hasn't been telling the truth. >> No, I'm I'm saying this right here that Candace Owens has clearly for any person that's going to be honest and sensible. If you've listened to the rabbit hole game that she has played, she's all over the place. Who cares? She's trying to get to the truth. That's That's what you should care about. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why we should care. >> He's trying to get to the truth, pastor. >> I'll tell you why we should care. Um Psalm 101:5 says, "Whoever slanders his neighbor secretly, I will destroy. Whoever has a halty look and an arrogant heart, I will not endure." Matthew 12:36 says, "I tell you, on the day of judgment, people will give account for every careless word they speak." You have a woman out there who's grieving the loss of her husband. And people can get online and say, "Oh, I don't like the way that Erica Kirk is crying. I think that she shouldn't cry uh with one eye open. You know, she she she should cry with two open and then shut it and then do a back flip." >> So, nothing about Erica Kirk's behavior has been odd to you. >> No, I'm I'm Let me keep going. I'm I'm going to show I'm telling you why you have to be careful with speculation because it also is at times slander. Proverbs 10 verse 18, the one who conceals hatred has lying lips and whoever utters slander is a fool. 1 Peter 3:16, have a good conscience so that when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. James 4:1. Argue with God now. You You You disagree with Pastor John. Pastor John may not be saying it right, but argue with God now. Okay, let's do that. Argue with God. James 4:1. Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother judges his brother, speaks evil against the law, and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge. >> Break down that verse for me. >> Exodus 20:1 16. You shall not bear fair. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. First Peter 2 verse one. So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. And finally proverbs chapter 6 16-19. Ah it gives us several things that God calls abominable. He talks about seowing seeds of discord. bearing false witnesses. What I'm telling you right now, what I just divulged to you and for your audience that you did not know in the in the moment as it relates to the drones, >> can you provide evidence >> as as relate as it relates to >> speculation? Unless you provide evidence, pastor, >> call Hey, I'll tell you this. >> You're in the same boat as Candace Owens. >> Call it what you desire to call it. >> You're in the same boat as Candace Owens. You got to be consistent. I I'll say I'll say this to you. What I I am I am very much so consistent. >> You're not. You're doing the same thing that Candace Owens do. Candace Owens says she has sources, but she does not divulge them. You said that that's that that she's speculating. So you're speculating. >> Earlier you mentioned that you knew of a person that was in the room with President Trump and the Epstein fouls and they he groped this and he groped that. I asked you who said it. You couldn't tell me who said it. YOU READY? I'M ABOUT to tell you right now. Listen to me. I got you right now. I'm about to tell you right now. >> I'll let you off the hook. I let it ride. You want to know why? Because you you you said >> it's right here, brother. >> It's right here. >> Yeah, >> you were speaking. I was waiting for you to get done earlier so I can tell you I got the interview for you. >> Di, I'm going to say this to you. >> Bingo. >> And it would be good for you to hear and listen to. >> Okay. >> There's a difference between truth >> Yep. and speculation. Provide evidence or you're speculating. You're doing the same thing Candace Owens is doing. and speculation. >> And there are reasons in that there are times where people do not divulge. >> You're providing no evidence. You're doing the same thing as Candace, pastor. >> But no, no, you don't you don't hear me out here. >> You just said something about TPUSA, but you provide no evidence. And that's okay. >> Did it not come from a person that worked at TPUSA? Did it not >> Candace Owens worked at TPUSA? >> She worked. You're You're speaking past tense. She was just last year. >> Listen to me. She was waiting on She was waiting on >> She was closer to Charlie Kirk than you were. >> You got to be consistent, Pastor John. You're not. >> I am very much. >> Apply the same logic to yourself. >> The the the same logic that I applied to myself in that I am not divulging certain information. I'm only putting out what has been put out by Turning Point USA, which has been cleared by their lawyers. If you want to get on a podcast and blabber and talk and be sloppy and be messy, you can do that. But I am a serious person who has integrity. People are going to view my word who who people are going to view my words quite different from yours because I am a preacher. >> And so I'm going to handle things in a certain way. I'm not gonna get out here and be rogue. No, I agree with you. No, but but I'm but I'm explaining to you why I'm saying what I'm saying. And the information that I lifted out to you in this moment about the drones >> about the security is information that Tyler Boyer and Andrew Kovette, Charlie Kirk's executive producer and um Tyler Berer, who leads TP Action, he has addressed those things. Apparently, those things have alo also been cleared to be released by their lawyers. I am not going beyond that. >> Can I ask you a question? >> Let me repeat the scripture to you again. I don't think you're hearing what I'm saying. >> I'm hearing what you're saying, pastor, and I agree with you, brother. >> I feel like I feel like you're filibustering me with scriptures so that you can get past what I'm saying. I hear what you're saying. And I said, I agree with you. >> Do you hear me, pastor? I agree with you. So, so you're you're calling scripture a filibuster. >> No, I'm saying you're using scripture right now to if you're repeating it to to get past what I'm trying to ask you. It seems like you just want to be the one speaking. I get to speak with you, but I hear what you're saying and I agree with this point. >> Here it here it is. Um I want to get the verse for you. You need I want I want to get the verse so people I want to be factual. [laughter] I want to provide some evidence to this truth. People need to hear this verse. That's what I'm doing. >> Okay. >> And whenever a man of God and you are you a Christian? >> I am. I'm a follower I'm a follower of Christ. >> You're a follower of Christ. I love it, man. Whenever a person is using scripture, um if if they're doing it in the manner that I that I am, I'm not using anything for a filibuster just to hear myself talk. What I am doing is showing you my biblical worldview and why my approach. While my approach >> I hear you >> you sharing the scripture isn't but pastor you sharing the scripture. Listen to me. Listen to what I'm saying. >> Proverbs 29:11. >> You're not listening, man. You're not the only one here, brother. That you're being rude. Listen to me. You sharing scripture is not filibuster. >> Not once have not once have I on your platform claimed that you were being hypocritical. >> Because I haven't been a hypocritical. >> No. No. No, you said that about me earlier because you were being a hypocrite. Pastor, >> you you said you said you said that. Now that's being rude. You don't bring a guest on. Let me let me help you out here, man. >> If you're if you're doing something hypocritical and I call it out, that's not rude. >> No, you don't bring on a guest and want to have a conversation and dialogue, especially the first time you bring a guest on and the guest comes on. My son is getting ready to play his football game in 11 minutes and I'm sitting here talking to you. >> I appreciate that. >> All right. I'm giving you my time and you don't bring a guest on. LET ME HELP YOU OUT here because if you want to get more guests on who have notoriety and the likes, there's a way you want to do it. Don't bring it. Don't bring a guest on and say that they're a hypocrite. Don't be home a liar. Because you know what's gonna happen when you bring a guest on and do that? >> I I I've been mostly I I've been respectful to you since you've been on here. >> See, this is what I'm saying. Only you get to speak. I should get to speak too, man. >> Go ahead. Go ahead and speak. But the verses Proverbs 29:1, fools give full vent to their rage, but the wise bring calm in the end. You don't want to be You don't want to be out here saying too much too soon. Now speak. >> That's fair. Thank you for allowing me to speak. Um to have guest on with notori. And you have two minutes because >> I have to go get to my son's football game and I I've given you prime time. >> Yeah, you have. And I and I do appreciate it. >> You know, I've prime time. probably should have got to these topics first and got rid of all of the nicities and get to where you want to get to. You know, that would help you out. >> I I you you keep throwing shade at me with that. I really wanted to hear your story as well, pastor. Stop saying that. I didn't bring you on just for Candace. That's the hot topic for other people to to want to hear about. I I genuinely cur We just spent 40 minutes talking about that stuff. I didn't want to hear about it. Go >> ahead. >> And you say notoriety. Respectfully, pastor, I have notoriety as well. >> You have a lot. Why do why do you think I'm on your platform? >> Oh, I you're a pastor. I don't think that would have mattered to you. >> Well, well, no, I I do screen the platforms that I go on. I do. You know, I did know that when I came on your platform that we might disagree on this air area. You did send me a message and said that we that you did put debate in the title for the sake of the algorithm. >> I'm here. All right. And I've shared with you everything that I had to say and what I thought and my viewpoints on it. Pastor, have you seen any red flags from anything from the Charlie Kirk incident? >> Any red flags? >> Yes, sir. >> Um, yeah. There there there are there are some some red flags. Um, there are questions that I have some of some some of some of the questions that I have. I'm in the man in the same manner of David before he assumed the throne. He doesn't he said he didn't exercise himself in things that were too high for him. >> That's right. >> Okay. I do know that we are going to trial and there's going to be a lot of information that comes out at trial. >> Is it possible that the feds are corrupt? >> The the feds that we believe uh killed MLK. [laughter] So >> you're not that that's who Candace Owens has accused, brother. >> Hear me. >> He said the feds. She thinks the feds are behind it. >> Hear me. >> Multiple times. >> There are people I I think we all have through the years questioned the FBI, the CIA, all of these groups. Okay? We've seen we've seen leaks. We've seen inconsistent behavior. I I don't I don't I I I I think we would all be fools if we did not ever critique that question or anything of that nature. You know what I mean? >> That's what Candace Owens has been doing. >> Yeah. But what I me and me reading that list, what I'm showing you is that there's been a constant pattern of numerous people that have been brought in where the takeaways that people are are receiving when they watch it, me included, and millions of other people as well, is that she's insinuating that they have blood on their hands. there's blame for the lack of better words, you know, um on their part for the demise of Charlie or maybe they had something to do with it. But then also you can go to her statement where she recently said that he was betrayed by everyone. >> I agree with you that that's a bold statement to make and she got to make sure that she come with some smoke to be able to back that up. I agree with you. >> Yeah. And then that when they give you a boulevard and when they give you a holiday, you know they killed you. >> I agree with her on that. You agree with her on that as well, right? MLK, you don't agree with that? I I I I I believe that there were pe people within power that that that that did that. But however you I I can't DD I can't apply that to Charlie. >> Exact is too too much. >> I agree. I agree. >> Too much too soon. And that's where I am. That's why I am not taking that appro that approach. >> I agree that you shouldn't accuse someone without evidence. But it seems like you are anti-ag against investigating. You don't want people to look into anything. And that's weird to me. I am I am >> I know you have to go. >> I'm not anti-investigation. I I I think that it has its place, but it's imperative that we do not make speculation >> what [clears throat] >> fact. >> What's your What's your definition of speculation? >> Well, man, I I'll tell you that when I come on the second time. >> Okay, that's fair. That's fair. >> Man, I I I got Now I have to find a parking space at my son's game. The man the boy had two sacks last week. If listen, if you have if you have a cash out and you have to pay for parking, send me your cash out and I'll cash out you, >> man. >> I'm not saying you need it, but I'd love to do it. >> Let me tell you something. The the fat lady will sing if I receive money from you to pay for uh my parking space, man. You don't have to give me a dime. >> Why Why did you say it like that? >> I said the Because I meant it. I don't I'm I'm not a I'm not a a charity case. You don't have to give me anything, man. You know, >> charity means you asked for it, correct? >> Yeah. >> Charity means you asked for it. You didn't ask for it, brother. >> But hey, but if you were doing arms deed and just send it to me in private, you know what I mean? >> Oh, okay. That's fair. That's fair. If I know your cash, for sure. >> I'm still I'm still I'm still But you can wait till we're offline and do that potentially. But I'm I'm still teaching even while I'm leaving. >> Absolutely. >> You know what I mean? And because I have a biblical worldview and there's a way that things should be done and slander is not >> I think you're upset with Candace Owens because she held TPUSA accountable and the weird behavior like the chief of staff Mikey McCoy. Did you see what he did after Charlie Kirk was hit? He turned around and walked off, brother that's on camera. That's all. You don't have to speak on that. I'm not trying to get you in the weird situation. All I'm saying is she's noticing, brother. She she shouldn't you shouldn't blame her for noticing. That's called integrity for calling out things that you notice even when when it's people you affiliated with. That's integrity. That's consistency. >> Would you agree? Bingo. Integrity is not when you see something [laughter] but you know the people and you try to to veer away from it. >> I'm just going to we on your platform. I'm going to listen to you. I'm going let you get the last word and man I I got I got I I got I got I got to go DD. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. For sure. I appreciate you pastor. Um I will reach out again. hopefully you come on again and we can talk about other stuff. We're not talking about Candace. We can talk about other stuff because I truly am interested in your story regardless of what you >> man is nice but we would have we would have been better off just >> starting off this way >> that way so I can give you more time on that because that that's what the algorithm wants, right? >> Yep. For sure. All right. >> All right. I'mma let you go. >> Okay. You got it. >> All right. Best >> [laughter] [gasps] >> Man, listen. I'm I'm reading the chat. I I actually really did enjoy that conversation. I'm reading the chat, though, and some of y'all are saying that I was biting my tongue a lot. It's because regardless of what he thinks. I really do respect him. The fact that he calls out the things, he goes to these school boards meetings and he's outside of abortion clinics, I really do have a lot of respect for that pastor. But bro, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? And then he he he he he alluded to he said, "I brought him on because he has notoriety and he's affiliated with TPUSA." This is the Godest truth. I didn't even know he was affiliated with TPUSA until maybe two hours before the interview started. And that's only because I created the thumbnail and I was looking for additional pictures to post and I saw, "Oh, he spoke at a TPUSA event." I didn't know he had spoke at a TPUSA event, people. I didn't know he actually knew Charlie Kirk. I didn't know he had met Candace Owens. I didn't know that. I reached out to him because he's a pastor that went viral for going to school boards and he's a so-called black man. He looks like my uncle. He looks like he could be my dad. And and we're living in a time right now where men are afraid to say the truth. And he is not afraid to say the truth when it come to certain topics. So, I reached out to this brother because someone that I respect, I'm subscribed to his Instagram. I'm subscribed to his YouTube. All of a sudden when I hype when I hop on his channel when it comes to Candace with the Charlie Kirk, this man said that she was wrong for releasing the text messages of Charlie Kirk telling those group of people in the group chat that when Charlie Kirk was saying he was he he he's been forced to leave the pro-oreign nation cause. Pastor John um I mean Pastor John said that he um he didn't agree with her releasing the text messages even though he exposed Josh Hammer. Pastor John, what are you talking about here? I thought you was about truth. She just exposed truth. She forced them to have to admit to it. Brother, what are we talking about here? brother. I know he was gaslighting me throughout the interview. I'm I'm noticing that he's gaslighting me, but I'm really trying to show respect. He's overly talk. He He said that if I want more guests of notoriety. No, that's not how this works, brother. Like, I don't think I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and think that the pastor wasn't doing this on purpose, but it appeared to me that he was trying to present himself as a celebrity in that moment. Like, brother, I have a little bit of reach myself, respectfully, and I don't just mean on the internet. Like I I've spoken to thousands of students. I know a lot of you all don't know that about me, but I've spoken to thousands of students. My story went viral. A lot of y'all don't know that about me, but we'll talk about that another time. I'mma put that in my book. My story went viral. I've spoke. I'm a whole motivational speaker as well, but the interview wasn't about me. It's about Pastor John. I really do love his story. I love what he's doing, but he's not consistent when it comes to Candace Owens. I asked this man if he if he had if he saw any red. He said, "Yeah, he saw some, but he he's choosing not to say anything about it." Now, being objective, I partially understand why because he's affiliated with TPUSA, so it can get tricky. But at the same time, he said that if they told him that he can't come up there to a TPUSA event and say that homosexuality is a sin and that you need to repent, he said if TPU USA told him not to say that, he tell TPUSA, I'll see you. So if you feel that way with that, if you're seeing red flags with this Charlie Kirk case, why are you not calling it out, pastor? I'm coming in love with this. Why are you not calling it out? He said that I shouldn't call people his g my guests hypocrites. If you're a hypocrite on my show, I'm calling you a hypocrite. There's a way in love with love that you can say that. He doesn't have that same logic when he's going to these school boards. You you went up there and you called them out for being hypocrites. You said, "Hey, you have children's books that is talking about things children should not be be reading about." And I agree with him. Now all of a sudden if you speaking to people in their house, there's a certain way you should know. I said it to you respectfully, Pastor John. Respectfully, you're being a hypocrite. Even when he's called out Trump the few times I've seen him call it out, it's not the same energy as you have with the left. That he he he he botched the Epstein files. No, brother. He did worse than that. The real question is why why did he botch the Epstein files? That's the real question. Who is Donald Trump really affiliated with? That's the real question. Respectfully, pastor, when you get up here and you say Candace Owens said BB Netany and Yahoo took out Charlie Kirk. No, she didn't. She never said that. Candace Owens said um TPUSA was part of what took him out. She never said that on her show. Candace Owens said um his security detail took him out. Candace Owens never said that. She never said that. I respect them for coming on. But bro, we got to be consistent. Pastor, what we doing, man? You said you about truth. Where's the discernment? You can tell me you looked at this Charlie Kirk case. I'm not even exaggerating. This is not even her hyperbole. There is at least 200 red flags. 200 red flags. Charlie Kirk's chief of staff, Mikey McCoy. Charlie Kirk was powpowed. Or so they say he was. Mikey McCoy turned calmly. He turned around and walked off. It's all on camera. He didn't try to help. He didn't duck down for cover. He walked off. How do you explain that, pastor? How do you explain the guy that took the SD card out of the camera? He walked off and then went to a position, a post, and started recording. Pastor John, what are you saying? Pastor John, this same security detail that you're talking about that you say that you know personally firsthand and you say that they're also your security team. Explain to me what they were doing behind the table. None of them had red liquid on their hands when they raised up. How is that possible? I'm not a fan of anyone except for truth. What are we talking about, pastor? He kept going back to the fact that I brought him on just to talk about Candace. No, I didn't. I really didn't appreciate that. He kept saying that I'm I'm just bypassing it because I'm saying, "No, pastor, I really love your story. How are you upset? Like you have you have no idea for a absolute fact what happened to Charlie Kirk. I have no idea what happened to Charlie Kirk as an absolute fact. Neither does Candace as far as we know. So wouldn't it make sense as a regular citizen, regardless of your social media account, especially if you're friends with the person to look into it? You're upset that she's saying, "Hey y'all, this happened." Phil Lyman, extremely suspicious character. Do I need to pull the video up? This dude was Man, let me pull it up. Hold on. Let me show y'all what Phil Lyman did. For those of y'all that didn't catch my live that day. Where is it at? Let's see if we can pull it up. Feel alignment. It's this one. Look at this. Look at this. >> Look at this. >> I see what happened. >> Are you Did you see what happened? Phil, >> no. >> What? >> You were there, too? >> Oh, yeah. It's interesting because I was there. Uh, I I I was a witness to everything that happened. I was talking to Charlotte. before he took the stage. I know I was I was in very very close proximity. You guys see what happened? >> How are you? >> Did you see what happened, Phil? >> No. Look at that face. Candace Owens goes on her show and reveals all the weird things that Phil Lyman did this day. And it's quite a few of them. Pastor John says she accused Phil Lyman of taking out Charlie Kurt. That's not what she said. She said his behavior was weird. It's worth mentioning, bro. >> [laughter] >> It's worth mentioning that he behaved weirdly. Why would you be laughing when they said, "Did you witness what happened?" A person lost their life that day, right? Why are you laughing like this? I I have a feeling he's not going to come back on. [laughter] I have a feeling. cuz I hope I'm wrong cuz I really would like to learn like hear other stuff about his experience going to these school boards and other things that he's done across the country. But that pastor already told him like we're going to disagree with like 10%. We're going to agree on 90% of things. But the way he's been covering this Candace Owens thing, it's like why are y'all so angry that she's looking into this? Stop saying that. She's speculating. Why would you even be mad about that? You're not the feds. You're not Phil Lyman. Even if it was true, who cares? I don't care if you're a pastor. I don't care who you are. If you are are standing for something that's hypocritical, I'm calling you out. You're not the first person of status to be on my podcast. I had I had Jonte Austin on. Do y'all know who Jonte Austin is? If you have not seen my Clive Davis video, which is arguably the greatest documentary I've ever dropped on this channel, I would highly encourage you to go and watch it. Clive Davis closely worked with Whitney Houston doing her prime. He's the one he's her introduction to the industry. The one of the people that wrote for Whitney Houston and I mean he wrote one of the hits is a guy by the name of Jonte Austin. I interviewed on my p interviewed him on my podcast like four years ago. So I was a bit kind of caught off guard that a pastor would say like if you want someone of notoriety you're not that's not going to work on Diddy bro. Like I'm super grateful that he came on. I hope he comes back on again and I want to have tough conversations some more, but I'm going to call it as I see it. If you come on and you're not being consistent, bro, no, that man knows it's a lot of weird behavior. If I didn't get a chance to and I almost didn't want to since he personally knows them, but I wanted to ask him about Erica Kirk. You going to tell me he was like, "Oh, they're saying that she should have cried this way." Or the best way that you can defend Erica Kirk's behavior is to exaggerate what people are saying about her. That's the best way to do it because people aren't saying she should have cried this way or that way. They're saying we're not seeing grieving. Widows have said said that. Widows have said that. He was like, "Oh, you you brought me on because you know I'm a part of TPUSA." No, that just happened to be a bonus. I didn't know you were a part of TPUSA. And to be honest, I still don't know that. I have no reason not to know, not to believe you, but coming on my platform, gaslighting me, I'mma listen to you. I'm going to be respectful. But when you're done, I'm going to let you know respectfully you're being a hypocrite. But let me get through the super chats, man. Um, Sharon J. Pulium, thank you so much for the $10 super chat. Thanking God for all the work that you do. Um, HHA, thank you so much for the $5 super chat. D, I really appreciate appreciated how thoughtfully you paused your questions. It reflected both intelligence and fairness in your approach. Well done. I agree. I thought I was fair. Then all of a sudden, I was rude. No, I'm not rude, pastor, because I'm calling you out for hypocrisy. You said that Candace Owens, she don't provide, she don't um provide or or approve all her sources. She don't showcase all her sources every single time she makes a claim. Therefore, she's just speculating. He literally comes on here and says that the TPUSA security detail, it was said by their their um somebody from TPUSA that they coordinated with the UVU UVU campus law enforcement. I said, "Do you have proof of this?" He said, "Yeah." I said, "Provided." He had no proof. That's speculation by your own logic, pastor. Be consistent. You're doing what you accuse Candace of doing. That's all I'm saying. Be consistent because we have reason to believe. We played a video yesterday. If you haven't seen it, please go and check out my video. It's not a live. It's an actual video. There's a gentleman who provided text messages with law enforcement on the ground at UVU. He proved it of a person of law enforcement said that they reached out to TurningPoint USA security team and Turning Point USA security team did not want to work with them. That's what they said. I don't know what's true or not. I know what evidence he provided. Pastor, you didn't provide any when you came over here. Respectfully. I'll be polite, but I'm not going to be an idiot for anyone. HHA, thank you so much for the file on the super chat. To be fair, Pastor John clearly called out Republican lawmakers for blocking the release of the Epstein files. He didn't swell with Yep, I agree. That's a man of integrity for doing that. That shows integrity. Momo 1992, thank you so much for the follow on super chat. We cannot defeat reality, but compassion helps us face it together. Truth without hate and empathy without lies lead to real understanding. I agree. I'm not really for sure what you were what part of the conversation you were referencing, but I agree. I agree with that. But I don't think there's anything wrong with looking into what happened, entertaining all the or or looking into the red flags, following where it takes you until you end up with the truth, right? You're trying to get to the truth. Candace Owens has not said at any point in time on her podcast as of yet that she's reached a point where she know for a fact what happened and she's going to tell us exactly what happened and who did it. The closest she's come to saying it is we know, but we don't know. know, you know, um, Deacon Weasel the comedian, thank you so much for the $2 super chat. My favorite pastor, man. I love you, Mr. John. He he he does some good work for sure. No doubt about it. This is not meant to be in hate. As I said, it's meant to be in love. But, brother, you're not going to come on here and just say things that I I disagree. I'm I'm supposed to not call you out when when you're you're not being consistent. No, that's not love. That's not love. That's being too nice. That's being buddy buddy, which is what we established at the beginning. We're against that. Men cannot compete with women in sports. A man is not a woman. Inappropriate books about corn should not be in libraries accessible to children. We agree on that. Saying that it's not hateful. In fact, if we stay quiet, that's hateful because we're allowing our children to be damaged. You got to be consistent. How come is it a coincidence that most of the people that's not affiliated with Turning Point USA happen to be the ones that's can see everything for what it is, can actually be critical and consistent. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying, pastor. Respectfully, Natalie Harris, thank you so much for the $2 super chat. Natalie Harris, thank you so much once again for the $2 super chat. Apologize to Ca Candace. Stop lying on her name. That's that's a fact. If you say something critical about the woman and it's true, I'm with you. I agree with you. I don't think that she's perfect. Nobody's perfect. Like when he spoke about her and Catholicism and I think she's on her journey to find her faith, I agree with him on that. That's my personal opinion and we happen to agree. I don't I can't confirm if she used to worship or pray to the universe. I don't know that. But I do know that I do not agree with Catholicism, which Candace Owens professes to be a Catholic. So, I agree 100% with Pastor John on that. Um, Deacon Weasel the comedian, $2 super chat, thank you so much. Take it easy on the pastor, man. [laughter] I don't know what that means. Like, I I feel like he was going pretty hard on me, honestly. Pause. And and and just to clear this up once again, the filibustering, I felt like he was filibustering me by repeating the verses, not by mentioning the verses. He's doing what a pastor and what all of us should be doing as followers of Jesus, using the scriptures as I swed. I agree. But when you're repeating scriptures that I've already told you I agree with you on, when I'm trying to respond to you, I feel like that's filibustering. You're trying to move me off my pivot. It's not going to work. Claudia Zor, thank you so much for the $2 super chat. He sold it so a long time ago. Freemason. Who's a Freemason? Are you Are you saying that Pastor John is a Freemason? No, I don't I I don't I'll be honest. I'll find it hard to believe. Claudia, if that's what you're saying, I will find that one hard to believe. HHA, thank you so much for the $2 super chat. Gaslighting. Listen, Linda. Listen, Linda. Yeah, I I I I I did get the impression he was gaslighting me for sure. Uh Mo 1992, thank you so much for the $5 super chat. Words can reveal the nature of a person. One who speaks truth gives it form and freedom, while one who harbors falsehoods keeps it hidden and bound. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm not here to defend any and everything Candace has ever said in her life, but I do and I am um right where Candace is when it comes to approaching this case. and she just happened to be friends with the dude, you know. And remember, this entire conversation with the pastor has been on a two-dimensional level cuz once again, y'all know how I feel about the Charlie Kirk situation. Deacon, thank you so much for the $2 super chat. Come on, bro. Um, Pastor is an honorable man. I'm not questioning that. I think he he came off as a good brother to me and just when we got to the Candace point, he me he was irritated before we got to that point. in my opinion. He was like, "Come on, let's get to what what you really brought me on here to talk about." And I'm like, "I brought you on here. Sure, I want to talk about that for sure." [laughter] But that book situation that went ultra viral, I think he was calling calling it nicities, which to me comes off as a as a polite way of saying it's it's fluff. It's it's other stuff that's not really important that we're including in the interview that we don't really care about until we get to what we really care about, which isn't true. I cared about everything we spoke about. Please hit the like button, everybody. As a reminder, please hit the like button. Uh Brown Sugar and Curls, first and foremost, thank you so much for um telling me on Patreon that you were going to check in. I remember. And thank you so much for the $5 super chat. Diddy. He thinks you are all about the algorithm and not about the truth. It's about more than clips. Exactly. I I guess him sharing what I told him in private, which he literally did the thing that he said he wasn't a fan of. By the way, when I I said I'm going to put the word debating in the title for the algorithm. All I mean by that is I'm not a celebrity. He's not a celebrity. Candace Owens's name, Charlie Kirk's name will find its place in the algorithm. My name and Pastor John's name will not. Debating is an SEO keyword. And technically speaking, if we have differing opinions, we're probably going to debate even if it's a respectful debate. So, I didn't lie in my title at all. We definitely debated. Um, the unleaven truth, thank you so much for the follow super chat. your consistency was on point, brother. Keep speaking truth to power. You can tell his bias for his friends at TB USA was kicking in. I agree. And as a human being, m maybe I will be faced with the same, you know, um um ultimatum if I was in his situation, you know, but we got to give respect to the pastor because he did agree to come on. Nonetheless, I would like to think that he scrolled on my channel and saw some stuff to know that I'm I'm probably not in the same field as he is on certain topics, but he still decided to come on and I respect him for that. Um U Mac, thank you so much for the $2 chat. You did well, brother. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. Heck yeah. All right, y'all. Well, we did that. That is what it is, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I tried to have a conversation and he talked over me. We CC. I agree. I agree. And I'm like, how am I supposed to ever get get my point out if you're just going on and on and on and I'm trying to like let you know like, no, no, no, but hold on with this. And he wasn't trying to have that. buddy. Man, that's funny. That's funny. Candace lied about the letter, though. That was probably the one thing that the pastor spoke to that I don't know if I would use the word lied, but if you want to say that Candace Owens was misleading or she made it sound as if it was worse than what it was, which is what Pastor John said, I'm with you on that. She did make it sound as if um Charlie Kirk was the letter was in all bad faith when in actuality it was a lot softer than that. I agree with you. 100% agree. However, she did also say that BB Netanyahu offered Charlie Kirk a trip to that foreign nation and he turned it down. That's the part that they won't mention. Charlie Kirk apparently, according to his friends, didn't care for BB Netanyahu. According to Max Blumenthal's article, he witnessed um BB Netanyahu, for lack of a better term, punk President Trump, almost bully President Trump, which is very odd and weird to hear, but that's what Max Max Blumenthal said. That was crazy. Yeah, I agree. Somebody said, "Oh boy, the 7,000 clubs is in the chat now." Oh, a lot of people defending. I respect the way you you stood your ground regardless, bro. Very commendable. Thank you. I appreciate that for sure. I got a few videos on TPUSA and just my my criticisms of them that probably is close to 750,000 combined views. Probably closer to a million now. And it's not me just clickbait material. It's sensible and logical and fair things to be questioning. And if you watch the videos, you'll understand why people are tapping in, you know. Um, Dee, uh, sorry, not sorry. I can't respect a liar. I don't care who it is, honestly. And respectfully, you can't trust a liar in any form. I don't resp I don't respect liars either. I'm not for sure who you're calling a liar, but yeah. Um, great job, Diddy. Thank you, Rebecca. I appreciate that. All right, I'mma read two more comments and I'm gonna go ahead and log off, everybody. I appreciate y'all tuning in. Dude is very manipulative. Manipulative. He was trying to sway people away from the truth using scripture. Disgusting. Here's the I I did feel that he was using scripture at least that first time he was using scripture like he said um do not speak evil of people um and do not fair um do not u bear false witness. And I wanted to ask him, but I didn't get a chance to get it out to him because he he was trying