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Nick Shirley Confronts Anti-Charlie Kirk Protesters Outside AmericaFest in Phoenix Arizona
Nick Shirley arrives at AmericaFest in Phoenix, Arizona, where protesters have gathered outside the event commemorating Charlie Kirk and his work with Turning Point USA. Shirley engages directly with demonstrators holding signs and megaphones, attempting conversations about their grievances while attendees celebrate inside. The confrontations range from silent standoffs to heated debates about immigration, religion, corporate influence in politics, and the Epstein files. Shirley reflects on how AmericaFest two years prior inspired his journey to the border, launching his career in journalism. What emerges is a snapshot of America's cultural divide, played out on the streets outside one of conservatism's largest annual gatherings.
Arriving at AmericaFest in Phoenix
Nick Shirley arrives in Phoenix, Arizona, outside AmericaFest with his cameraman and special guest Booker T. Jones. Shirley explains that protesters have gathered to demonstrate against Charlie Kirk and his organization, Turning Point USA. He finds it peculiar that people would protest a man who died for what he believed in, and plans to confront the protesters before heading inside to enjoy the conference.
Booker T. Jones, who identifies himself as Nick's mom, wishes everyone a Merry Christmas and explains they came to celebrate what Charlie Kirk created over the past five years, calling this event the Super Bowl for Charlie Kirk.
A Personal Connection to AmericaFest
Before approaching the protest, Shirley shares a backstory about his relationship with AmericaFest. Two years ago in 2023, he attended the event to conduct interviews. After listening to speakers discuss the border crisis, he traveled down to the border to see the situation firsthand. That trip to the border became the launching point for his YouTube channel and journalistic career. Shirley credits Charlie Kirk and AmericaFest with putting him on the path that led to where he is today, expressing deep appreciation for the organization's annual event.
First Encounters with Protesters
As Shirley approaches the protest, he observes a relatively small group with megaphones and signs. The first protesters he encounters refuse to engage, repeatedly saying "no means no" when asked why they're protesting. One protester holds a flag that reads "With fear for our democracy, I dissent," which he explains is a quote from Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor. When Shirley asks what the quote means, the protester seems surprised he doesn't know who Justice Sotomayor is.
An attendee from Kansas City tells Shirley there haven't been protesters on previous days, calling it a sad thing to protest against what has otherwise been a wholesome event with good speakers. He describes AmericaFest as "probably the political Super Bowl of the year" on the conservative side and mentions excitement for JD Vance's upcoming appearance.
Chelsea Gods and the Abortion Debate
Shirley encounters Chelsea Gods, a protester he recognizes from previous encounters in Salt Lake City, whom he nicknames "Cruella Deville." She wears a hat that says "Deport Melania" and engages Shirley in a contentious exchange. Chelsea argues for what she calls "thoughts and prayers for abortion," claiming that if conservatives believe God is powerful enough to handle school shootings through prayer alone, He should be powerful enough to handle abortion without laws from man.
She challenges Shirley's faith, asking why he doesn't believe in God's power to make things just without human legal intervention. The exchange grows heated as Chelsea accuses Shirley of having "questionable faith" for not trusting that the Lord can handle abortion on His own. The conversation deteriorates with Chelsea making crude jokes and singing provocatively while other protesters join in with music and chanting.
A Respectful Exchange About Pedophilia and Politics
One protester holding a sign calling Trump a pedophile agrees to have a civil conversation. He cites Katie Johnson and Trump's connection to Jeffrey Epstein as his main concerns. When Shirley mentions recently released photos showing Bill Clinton in a hot tub with an Epstein victim, the protester immediately agrees that Bill Clinton is a creep and that anyone connected to Epstein should be held accountable, including Trump.
The protester expresses frustration that Trump promised to release the Epstein files during his campaign but then called it a hoax after being elected. He believes this betrays the people who voted for him. The conversation remains civil as both agree that anyone involved in harming children should face justice, regardless of political affiliation. The protester explains he came out because he fears pedophilia is becoming normalized in America and believes both political parties are failing to hold powerful people accountable.
Blake Maidell and Civil Discourse
Shirley meets Blake Maidell, an AmericaFest attendee willing to debate protesters. They approach various demonstrators, but most refuse to engage. One protester who earlier insulted them hides behind his sign when given the opportunity to speak. Blake and Shirley discuss how the entire point of protesting should be to communicate your position, yet these protesters seem unwilling to have actual conversations.
They note that if protesters genuinely wanted to make progress on their issues, they would engage in dialogue to find common ground rather than playing loud music and trying to get videos copyright-struck. The contrast between those willing to talk and those hiding behind signs becomes a recurring theme throughout the day.
Immigration Discussion with a Canadian Dentist
Shirley speaks with a man from Canada who recently moved to Phoenix after spending five years navigating the legal immigration process. The man expresses frustration at seeing people jump the line by entering illegally while he paid fees, went through proper channels, and waited patiently. He believes Trump has already begun fixing the open border problem and notes that the average American, despite media portrayals, agrees that open borders don't make sense.
The conversation shifts to Canadian healthcare, where the man shares a personal anecdote from his work as a dentist. His dental office was located across the street from a hospital. When a patient had an emergency, he called 911 and waited 45 minutes for an ambulance to travel 100 yards. After accompanying the patient to the hospital, they waited over eight hours to see a doctor before the patient gave up and left. The dentist had to drive the patient home himself around midnight because he was concerned about their safety. He concludes that free healthcare is not necessarily better healthcare.
The Maine Protester and Turning Point Finances
A protester from Maine holding the state's original flag agrees to speak with Shirley. He explains he's vexillologically interested in flags and prefers Maine's original design to the current state seal on a blue field. His main objection to Turning Point USA isn't ideological opposition to conservatism in education, but rather what he sees as a grift. He points out that Turning Point has $85 million in revenue with $25 million going to executive salaries, which he finds troubling.
The protester clarifies he has no legal problem with Turning Point making money, but believes people are being conned into donating to an organization where a significant portion of contributions go directly into executives' pockets rather than the stated mission. He compares it to PT Barnum selling snake oil - legally permissible but morally questionable. He wants to convince attendees they've been conned, though he acknowledges people have the freedom to spend their money how they choose.
Kaitlin Bennett Joins the Conversation
Kaitlin Bennett, known as "Liberty Hangout," joins Shirley's livestream and engages with the Maine protester. The conversation turns to Christianity and immigration. The protester argues that Turning Point is selling a type of Christianity that makes people feel good about themselves without requiring self-examination or change. He references biblical teachings about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting prisoners, and being kind to strangers, specifically citing the parable of the Good Samaritan.
The protester draws a parallel between how people viewed Samaritans in biblical times and how some Americans view Mexicans, Venezuelans, and Somalians today. He suggests the message of the Good Samaritan story is about helping people regardless of their background. Bennett pushes back, arguing that while Christians should be welcoming, bringing in cultures that practice child marriage, child rape, and commit fraud (referencing Minnesota) is dangerous for a Christian nation. She contends that some cultures and their practices are not conducive to what the founding fathers wanted for America or what the majority of Americans support.
Chelsea Gods Returns with More Controversy
Chelsea Gods reappears wearing a necklace with "666" on it. When Shirley notices it, she claims she wears it because it's hilarious if it makes fundamentalist Christians uncomfortable. An extended confrontation ensues where Chelsea accuses Shirley of being a Christian fundamentalist, though she struggles to articulate what that means or provide evidence for her claim.
When Shirley reveals he's Catholic, Chelsea immediately brings up that the Vatican and Pope Francis oppose Trump's immigration policies. She argues that Catholic priests are showing up at immigration hearings and that the Catholic Church in the United States has a policy against Trump's actions. Shirley responds that he follows Jesus Christ first and looks to the Pope for spiritual guidance on Catholicism, not political insight. He notes the Pope also clarified that countries are allowed to enforce their borders.
The conversation degrades when Shirley points out Chelsea's past as an adult film performer and failed comedian. She accuses him of reducing her to her genitalia, despite having just performed a song about anal sex moments earlier. Kaitlin Bennett intervenes, pointing out the hypocrisy of Chelsea complaining about being objectified while actively objectifying herself. Chelsea eventually walks away singing and dancing provocatively while other protesters play music to disrupt filming.
A Non-Political American Perspective
Shirley encounters a man who describes himself as non-political, stating he doesn't believe in Republican or Democrat because neither appears in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence. He argues there's only American, "one nation under God," and that the two-party system creates an illusion of choice to keep people fighting while distracting from real issues.
The man delivers an impassioned speech about how Americans have been working harder for five generations than their great-great-grandparents who had no education but sent the first generation to college. He believes something went wrong in the 1950s when the Bible was removed from schools as curriculum. He argues the Bible provided a strong moral code that held families and communities together.
He then shifts to discussing what he sees as an attack on all Americans through fentanyl, which he calls a weapon rather than just a drug problem. He believes if the government didn't want fentanyl in the country, it wouldn't be here. He connects modern technology to biblical prophecy, specifically Revelation 13 about the "image of the beast." He argues television is a form of channeling spirits remotely - we channel programs from broadcasts, just as people have channeled spirits throughout history. He believes the government made a deal with the devil after World War II for technology and power, specifically mentioning the atomic bomb as harnessing the power of a star. Shirley thanks him for his perspective and gives him money before moving on.
Final Observations and Looking Ahead
As the protest continues, Shirley observes the stark contrast between those willing to engage in dialogue and those hiding behind signs and music. He speaks with an elderly man in a sombrero with an oxygen tank who came out to enjoy the day and see what's happening. When asked about the apparent division within the conservative movement between figures like Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes versus Ben Shapiro and the Trump administration, the man notes it's strange they're fighting over who has the most viewers instead of coming together for unity.
They discuss the 2028 election, with JD Vance currently leading on prediction markets against Gavin Newsom. The conversation touches on Trump's handling of the Epstein files, which both agree was disappointing and lacked the transparency that was promised. The elderly man mentions his mother was a card-carrying GOP member who would be "rolling in her grave" at current events. Throughout the day, the protests remain relatively small and non-violent, with the main conflicts being verbal exchanges and attempts to disrupt filming with copyrighted music and noise.
Video Transcript
Boys and girls, we're here in Phoenix, Arizona, outside of Afest. We'll be going inside of Afest as well today. But today, we do have a group of some uh protesters, anti- Charlie Kirk protesters. Kind of a sad thing to be protesting for, if you ask me. You're protesting over a man who died for uh what he believed in. And so today, we're going to be confronting these protesters and then we'll be going inside of Afest to enjoy the the to enjoy the conference, festival, whatever you want to call it. And then should just be a good time. We got a special guest with us. We got Brooker T. Jones here with us as well today. >> Hello. >> It's my mom Brooker T. Merry Christmas everybody. >> Merry Christmas everybody. We came to celebrate Charlie Kirk and what he's created past 5 years. He's done something amazing. And this is the Super Bowl for Charlie Kirk. >> All righty. And you guys go ahead and download the new Poly Market app. It's in beta phase right now, but go ahead and download it. So that way when it does go completely live, you guys can be there right exactly when it goes live. So go download the app right now. It's in the pin comment above. I use a prediction markets as you guys see. I use them been using them for a long time now in my videos. So, go ahead and download the Poly Market app and let's go get into the protest. All right, here we go everybody. It should be interesting. Little fun fact. All right, we're good to go. All right, it's kind it's a pretty sad reality that we do got some literally like anti- Charlie Kirk protesters outside right now. They got their megaphones going. They're probably trying to kick somebody out right now. I can already feel it. We'll see what happens. Brooker T or actually we won't bring Booker T on right now. One sec. Brooker D, I want to tell you guys a little backstory about me with Amefest about two years ago, 2023. I came to Amefest just to do interviews and then I after listening to people talk and whatnot, I actually went down to the border and then from the border because I heard how crazy I was at the border. So, I went down to the border and then from the border, you guys know that's kind of where I got my start here on uh YouTube and doing this uh more uh journalism and more journalistic style videos. And so, from Afest, if it wasn't for Charlie Kirk and Afest just for their this event that they put on every single year, Nick Shirley would not be where he is today. So, we have a lot of appreciation for Charlie Kirk and his organization. Turning point turning point. All right, let's see what happens. This could get a little ugly, could get a little dicey because you got all the people that like Charlie Kirk and you have the people that don't. We'll see what what brings them out here today. >> Got the chat right here, too. >> Boys and girls, we're here. >> How are you guys doing? >> Hello. >> What made you guys come out here today? >> Uh, we're not >> just not going to talk to people today. How come? Cuz no means no. >> No means no. So where are you guys? Where are you guys coming out from then? >> Here. >> Phoenix. >> Just coming out to protest against Charlie Kirk and his organization. >> Charlie Kirk. >> What are you guys out here protesting against then? >> What do you think we're protesting against besides Charlie Kirk? >> Yeah. Well, obviously >> you >> can I what? >> Think about more ideas. >> Yeah. So you guys are probably anti uh Trump. You're anti- Charlie Kirk. >> No, we're not anti Charlie Kirk. He was a citizen just like all of us and he had the right to do whatever he wanted to do within the rules of the law and he did. >> Yeah. You guys are out here protesting outside of his of his organization's events which speaks a lot. >> What's your flag say today, sir? >> Say again. >> What's your flag say? >> Are Let me turn turn on the other side so you can actually see it. >> Can you see that? What's it say? >> With I can't even get the flag with fear for our democracy. I desent. >> Hello. How are you doing, sir? >> What is that? What do you mean by that? >> Well, it's just Justice Odmayor's quote, right? You know who Justice Otomayor is? >> I do not. >> You do not. She is one of the Supreme Court justices. >> Oh, Supreme Court justice. Okay, great. >> Mhm. Oh. Oh. Oh, [ __ ] I think my sign's going breaking. All right, let's keep moving on. How you doing, sir? Hello. Love, not hate makes America great. Amen. Good. How are you doing? What do you think about these protesters out here today? Oh, I don't know. There hasn't been protesters for any of the other days, so it's a pretty small group, really. It doesn't seem too rowdy. >> Kind of a sad thing to be protesting, right? >> It is a sad thing to be protesting. It's really been a wholesome event. A lot of good speakers, some interesting drama. It's been a great day. >> How long you What are you coming out from? >> Kansas City. >> Kansas City. What made you want to come all the way out to Kansas City for the >> You know, just it's probably the political Super Bowl of the year, I think, at least on the conservative side. And um just a lot of good speakers. excited for JD Vance tomorrow. >> Very nice. Very cool. >> Awesome. We're going to go speak to some of these protesters. >> How you guys doing? >> Good. Nice to meet you. Oh, >> thank you. Why do you idolize a man who was a racist? Protester says, >> "No way. >> Look who it is. Cruella Deville." >> Hey you guys, >> we got we got Clla Deville out here. You guys remember Clla Deville from Salt Lake City? She's traveling long and far to be out here. and Trump. >> Carlla Deville. What is it? Carella Deville. >> You guys like that? >> Please. That's exactly what Trump said when he signel. That's such a weird >> Chelsea. How are you doing? >> Same thing. Hey Nick, what's up? >> Deport Melania, your hat says. >> Yeah. >> Hey guys, it's Nick Shirley. You guys, it's Nick Shirley. He's here in the flesh. Nick has looked AT MY PORN. HE PROBABLY JERKED off to it. So, thanks for being here, Nick. >> Yes, her. She's a failed uh She's a failed adult filmmaker. >> Oh, no. I actually um that was just a side gig. This is my real gig. >> Yeah. And how's it going? >> Oh, I show my [ __ ] for free now. >> Oh, that's >> I'm just kidding. >> You're [laughter] just You're just living such a wholesome life, aren't you? >> Um well, I don't know. I guess I'm like pro taking care of people. I think that's pretty wholesome. I think wanting to feed children is wholesome. I think being on the side of the poor and the downtrodd abortion as well. >> Abortion. Well, I don't really care what someone does with their body. Actually, here's my thoughts on abortion. Are you ready? >> Abortion. >> He has openly said that prayers enough for kids in the classroom, then it's good enough for kids in the womb. AM I RIGHT? THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS FOR ABORTION ONLY. NO MORE LAWS of man ON WOMEN'S BODIES. WHEN DO WE NEED GOD to be involved? Why do we need man TO BE INVOLVED WHEN GOD IS THE ultimate decider? Right? He's the judgment. So, if you don't like abortion, let God deal with it. Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers for abortion. That's the solution. Like I don't understand. You think God can't make things just? >> So what do you >> No, with abortion. Like you just don't think God can take care of it himself. Why? Why do you not believe in the power of God? >> He'll make it just but. But then at the end of the day, >> you don't believe in the power of God at the end of >> the day, you're not going to bring that child into life. >> What do like Well, then how come only thoughts and prayers for uh mass shootings in classrooms? >> God's powerful enough to stop mass shootings in classrooms. Why is he not powerful enough to stop abortion? That's some you can't take away some He can't take away some >> not powerful enough to stop abortion, but he is powerful enough to stop mass shootings in classrooms. This is crazy. >> He gave us free agency. So therefore, you can be acted and be acted upon. So he can't just stop you from taking a pill. >> Well, thoughts and prayers for abortion then. No more laws of man. We're not going to do that. We're not going to take away from God what is God's. We're going to give God what is God's and give unto Caesar what is Caesars's. And we're not going to put laws on women's bodies, thoughts, and prayers. Dude, believe in the Lord more. Your faith is wow questionable. You have questionable fa faith if you don't think that the Lord can just take care of it. >> It's not a matter of faith. It's a matter of faith. Oh my god. This man does not have much. This lady she believes uh she celebrates abortion >> that God prepares for abortion. >> She's kind of a crazy lady. >> Even I don't want this for my >> bung hole. What's a bung hole? >> The only kind of policy I want in this world. We got the bubbles out here. >> Chelsea, how do you feel about coming out here on the block? Just be yelling out into the >> Hey, thank you very much for the super chat. I appreciate that. Thank you for everything you do, Nick. You're the very best. Regards from Israel. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. You're a big fan. >> Yes, sir. Do like Poly Market. >> So, if you had to bat Actually, can I interview you, too? Can we do a >> both? Let's get Chelsea Gods in here. >> Oh, she's she's speaking right now, so I hope you guys like it. >> We're live right now. We're live. Okay, I'll do mine as well. >> I think I I have I have questions for you. >> All right, let's do it. And so where where are you guys coming out today from? >> She's got the cop cam on her plate right now. Where are you guys coming out today from? >> I'm from Phoenix. >> Phoenix. Nice. >> You don't want who here? >> I don't want Turning Point here. That's all I'm saying. >> And what makes you dislike Turning Point? >> That's all I'm saying. >> Okay. All right, we're gonna do this interview real quick. >> I trust God. >> Chelsea, she's this this lady's demonic. She's straight up demonic. Can >> I can I ask? >> Yeah, of course. Of course. >> Okay, great. Well, we'll do a sir. >> So, you supporter of poly market like >> you like to uh do betting online? >> I like the prediction markets. >> Okay, cool. If you had to predict who's gonna win the civil war right now in MAG, is it going to be the Tucker Carlson Nick Quentes wing or the the Ben Shapiro and more like Trump administration wing? [screaming] >> Well, that's a good question. So, I do think there's like a little Loki little civil war and I think what's going on is good cuz it's making people second question things and making you think a little bit more and so hopefully all like the BS that's on both sides will eventually get taken care of and so then there will be more of a transparent path. But I support Trump. >> Okay. >> Um, >> so I support Trump. >> You But but right now that the Trump is term limited. >> I think Ben Shapiro cares too much about what happening in Israel. >> So I don't wouldn't say like I'm I'm a Ben Shapiro stand >> but I support Trump. But >> and I also think uh like what Nick Fentes and Tucker Cross is doing >> like I don't necessarily agree with like Tucker Cross was talking about Islam, how people shouldn't be worried about Islam and stuff yesterday here at America Fest. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like there there's stuff that people should be concerned about with Islam here in the United States. But uh >> do you believe in do you believe in freedom? >> Yes. >> Do you believe in freedom of speech? >> Yes, sir. >> Do you believe in freedom of religion? >> Yes. >> So, do you believe that every religion should be protected under this constitution? >> Yes, I do. >> Okay. >> So, what is your what is your concern about other religions? >> Yes. Yeah. So, my concern with other religions isn't that they're going to be here, but like what we saw over in Australia just recently is yes, Islam is uh if it's practiced correctly, I guess I mean I've met a lot of really nice members of Islam, but I hate to see the attacks from radicalized people. >> Did you see that the guy who stopped the shooter was musling himself? What what do you think about that? >> Yeah, that's awesome. That guy's a hero for doing that. That's why it's a very complex issue. Um, >> so we shouldn't paint a brush, right? Because a broad brush on entire religion. Yes. >> You agree we shouldn't? >> Yes, I agree with that. >> Okay. So, when it comes to also um Nick Fuentes and the fact that it seems like his influence, right, like Trump is term limited. So, now there's like JD Vance got endorsed by Erica Kirk. What do you think about that? >> Yeah, I think JD Vance I mean, you're going to have some more time. Right now, he's actually leading on Poly Market to win the election. So, um 2028, we got three more years. Um, >> Nick Wendes and uh, I know Nick Wentz does not like shady events. >> So, where do you side on the on the question? Because there's a few questions. >> Who's our who's our option? I mean, we're not >> I mean, we're still three we're three over three years, don't you think? >> Exactly. So, we'll see if they there's different options that are brought about. But if JD Vance is a Republican and he's going against someone like Gavin Newsome, obviously you have to vote for JD Vance. >> So, there's uh there's also something that I've been noticing. I've been talking to people going into the Turning Point. >> Look at look at Chelsea. There there's people that um do you agree and there are a few people agree that big donors have too much influence over politics in either party. >> Yeah. I mean like >> Yeah. sucks. >> Yeah. Do you think that there should be a restriction in the amount of corporate pack, dark money pack money, billionaire money in elections? >> Yeah. 100%. >> 100%. Do you think that corporate >> Do you think that corporate lobbyists um are influencing legislation? Do you think that that is ideal and in a democracy? >> No, I don't think it's ideal. It's just something that happens, I guess. Like, am I going to be able to prevent it? I don't know. But can we speak out against it? Yes. >> Would you support legislation to stop that? >> Yeah. I don't think like someone should just you should be able to buy someone's opinion. >> Okay. >> You know what I mean? Now, when it comes to when it comes to basic freedoms, >> when it comes to freedom, right, um do you think that no matter the government, we should make sure that we have accountability? >> Yes. So, like Tim Walt in uh Minnesota, he should face something for the fraud that he's been able to let happen. If I were to steal billions of dollars, I'd get put in prison. And he's been sending it out to these nonprofits, these government more coming soon. So, uh, government shouldn't be used to enrich yourself, correct? >> No. >> Okay. >> So, like that's one thing I people like me respect about Trump is he already made his riches before he got into politics. >> Well, I'm actually going to ask you about that because um the Trump ad Trump administration has opened these crypto >> listen to this lady. >> So, they've opened these crypto uh coins and you have seen uh governments like Qatar and other foreign governments funneling millions of dollars into Trump's family. Yeah. And there has been investigations of how there's been like immediate exchanges by the Trump administration. Are you worried that there's a there's a possibility that the Trump administration has been getting wealthier? They're the wealthier has ever been the past uh year and that that that foreign influence can be being traded um in exchange for government favors. Are you worried about that since you are a big anti-corruption advocate? >> Yeah. Um yeah, it is worrisome and it needs to be looked at as well. Like I thought that was very strange that they pardoned the Binance guy for instance. I didn't like that. Um so >> also um we're going to move on. >> Yeah. One last question. You know, we're talking about um you know invading Venezuela because they're sending drug boats. Are you concerned about these drug boats coming in and the strikes? >> Yeah. I mean after this go drive down like four blocks and you'll see a bunch of people passed out from fentanyl. So they need to combat the fentanyl crisis. So Trump pardoned um you know the former president as you know who actually was convicted um in in Honduras and was actually convicted of uh drug trafficking. How does that how do you square that? >> Yeah, I haven't looked too much into that honestly but I did hear about that. Strange. Um so I don't know. I'm going to speak too much on that. I haven't looked into it. >> Amazing. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Take care. >> Peace out. >> Nick, can I get a picture? >> Yes, sir. How you doing? >> Love the work you do. >> What do you think about these protesters out here today? It's a little small group out here. >> I don't know. I just think they look like clowns. >> Yeah, they do. This is Chelsea. She's a >> You know her? >> Yeah, she's a failed adult adult star. >> She a >> No, a felled >> She failed. So now she's >> professional protester or what is she? >> Yeah, she is a professional uh protester. Maybe she want to call herself like some sort of activist. Let's get this photo real quick. >> Thank you so much. >> Awesome. Thank you. All right, let's move over here. We got some more protesters. We got the the UNF America tour as well. camera or what? >> Yes, sir. Let's go talk to these people over here. >> Now, we got >> a lady reading from a script. >> Another to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature. >> Someone says Chelsea's not nowhere anywhere near cute enough to pay for that. They should declare the balls to them to the separation. >> You are enough. We hold these truths to be self-evident. [laughter] >> Where are you guys coming out today from equal that they are endowed by their coming out today from not telling I like that dicky shirt. I wear that shirt all the time actually. What made you guys want to come out and protest turning point today? >> Governments are instituted. >> Not a fan deriving their powers. What made you not a fan of what they are out here? >> Whenever any form of government >> turning point of these ends, >> it is the right of the people to alter. What about you? >> And to inst laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form >> as to them shall seem most likely [laughter] to affect their safety and happiness. >> What's this flag right here? >> I'll tell you in just a second. >> Okay, we're going to speak to this lady just a moment. Everybody will establish chilling like a villain and transient causes. >> Yes, sir. >> And accordingly >> just working right now. We're live streaming. >> Yes, sir. out here just came through. I don't really have no idea. >> I guess these guys are mad at all these guys and these guys are mad at the long >> pretty much you have like Republicans and then you have like >> pursuing the same leftwing protesters to reduce them what you got going on here. >> She's reading something. What do you think about what's going on in America right now? to proving government and to provide new guards for their >> so far in um >> Dutch has been my kind pretty good actually that's great to hear we're going to speak with this lady in just a sec former systems of government the history of the current president of the United States >> thank you keep up the great work >> repeated injuries and you these people are full of hate and insecurity keep exposing them easy content loly thank you very much my friend from Argentina according his logic, one in every three Muslims are heroes while the rest are mass murders. Still doesn't make sense to import a group of people where 66% of them take local lives. >> He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance. >> Gez, this lady's got a whole entire essay she read. >> All right, we'll go we'll move we'll move over here to this lady. >> And when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. >> How close are you from being done to reading? >> It's a Declaration of Independence, man. You know how it is. >> The Declaration of Independence Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people Unless >> I was just asking how much longer she has to read him. >> Guys, I'm getting parched out here. This dryness together. >> Yeah, we'll cross the street right here. >> Unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository. >> And then we'll also be going inside of Afest today as well. >> Oh, it looks like we got a little protest or little What's going on? We got Let's see. >> How are you guys doing? >> Sorry, I don't want to touch. >> I know. We were just want to see what was happening. Baby Jesus hates racist. Where are you guys coming out today from? >> You're home. It's weird. All these none of these people will talk. Racism won't fix the economy. This guy's sign says right here. It is imperative that we order. >> What's your guys sign say? >> We are not Charlie. No cristo fascist bullsh says. >> How's it going? >> Nice to meet you. >> Yes, sir. Of course. Come over here real quick. >> I watch like all your videos. >> Oh, great. Thank you. >> He's been Facebook stalking you on Instagram. I'm looking at your Instagram. >> Oh, awesome. Well, I'm glad you guys were able to find me. say hi. Appreciate you. Thanks for watching. Thanks for being here today as well. Have you enjoyed the festival or what what would you call this? A festival conference. >> Yeah, conference, I guess. >> Yeah. How have you How have you enjoyed it so far? It's been good. >> It's been really good. I had to miss yesterday, but came on Thursday for opening day. >> Awesome, bro. Well, thank you so much, Asher, for watching. Tell your mom. God bless your family. >> Let's see if we can get some people in debating out here. All these protesters are too afraid to actually talk. >> Large bodies of armed shirts among us. >> I'd be interested to see if they actually have any worth saying. >> What's good? >> We got Gino on the camera today. >> The Nick Shirley Gino. Very nice to meet you. >> Great. How are you guys doing? >> We're doing great. Uh, you know, they're insulting us a little bit. The moment they insult us, they hide behind their signs. >> You want to You want to debate somebody on on stream? >> On stream? >> Yes. Who? >> Any of these protesters. >> You know, if we get me, I think Taylor's over there. >> Yeah, Taylor. >> Taylor's over there. >> You want to get him? Let's see. You get >> Let's do it. Let's do a first time one. >> All right, let's find Let's find somebody to debate. All right, here we go, everybody. >> What's your name? >> My name is Blake Maidell. >> All right, Blake Maidell. All right, we're going to Do you want to do the racism won't fix the economy or Trumpetto? >> I don't know. Let's keep it short. I don't do much debating, but we can try. We can try. >> All right. Let this young man uh baby Jesus hates racist. >> These guys already hate me over here. >> Really? Let's Let's see if they these guys will talk to us right here. >> Let's see. They had some stuff to say about me earlier. Excuse. How's it going, sir? >> Just curious stuff about me. >> This guy, >> wait. You're here to protest. We're giving you the opportunity to speak. Yet, they won't speak. What's going on? Turning Point USA. You see, they lash out at me earlier and then when I tried to respond, have a civil conversation with them, they hide behind the sign. >> Very, very shallow. >> Isn't the whole point of protesting to let people know your opinion? >> Definitely. And they should be out here. If they if they do want to make a difference, if they want to further progress their cause, they need to be actively talking to us. This right here isn't actually going to fix anything. It's just riing more people up, causing more violence. >> Very true. Right. If they were to try to build some sort of common decency or have a common ground, they would be speaking with us versus putting music trying to get our videos taken down. >> Yep. They want uh they want you to get copyrighted. They uh >> they keep turning on the sirens. I don't know much about the sirens, but you know, it's very very >> I think this guy with the Trumps sign talk to us. >> How you doing, sir? Whether it's >> sir with the sign, >> could you uh tell this man why you think Trump's a pedto? >> Katie Johnson. >> Sorry. >> Katie Johnson. >> Katie Johnson. >> I've been looking to Katie Johnson. Uh >> it's kind of hard to hear at the mask. Anyway, >> Katie Johnson. That would be one of the main reasons. Obviously, his connection with Jeffrey Epstein. >> Did you see the new files that came out? >> Yeah, they're rejected. >> Yeah. What you think about like all the photos that started coming out? >> Oh, yeah. Oh, sir. The train was coming. Of course, >> Bill Clinton was in the hot tub with the victim. >> Absolutely. [ __ ] >> We saw that photo come out yesterday. How do you feel about Clinton? >> Oh, I mean, Bill was a creep. I mean, you know what I mean? It's not like anything new that we don't know that. And I agree that whoever knew about that too is in the wrong as well, including Trump who knew was friends with Bill for years as well. He knew about this and he didn't speak up. He didn't he didn't say, "Hey, I got evidence." or say, "Hey, I know they have evidence of him." Or, I mean, he could have done it his first term as well when they got when you know when they arrested Jeffrey Epstein and he's mysteriously died under Trump's presidential. >> You guys hear this guy? >> So, I mean, he's connected. He's connected somehow. Do I know 100%? No, I don't know 100%. But sadly, this is what people will stop and listen to and look at. It's gotten to this point where you have to be this upfront and vulgar. I don't want to I do have one question for you. That being besides this take right here, do you support any of his policies for the country? >> With PR campaigns, >> I don't I haven't seen much that I I do agree with. >> Um, personally, I haven't seen especially this this second term. I have not. >> Maybe stuff on the first term, sure, when there was a little bit more restraint, but this time around, I don't see things getting better. I see them getting worse. >> You know what I I I think he I mean he talked about releasing the Epstein files during during his campaign. Did he talk about that? >> Yes. >> And then all of a sudden he says, "Oh, it's a hoax." >> So like that's not that's not just slapping me in the face. That's slapping the people that voted for him in the face where they're like, "Hey, we want that." And then he says, "Nah, never mind." Like just forget about it. That's a slap in the face. Personally, I think more than just him, there's potentially, you know, large campaign donors for him in the files, which is a bit more of an obligation than himself. So, >> and I agree that should be added as well. But you're not wrong. You're not wrong. And that goes for Democrats as well. That goes for Republicans. Anyone that is going to be touching children or is known or has there's evidence, they should be outed. They should be arrested. They should be held accountable. And the victims should get justice. No matter who it is, even if it's not politicians, if your fa if it's your favorite musician, that's not okay either. >> Are you saying there is credible evidence of this? >> I mean, you know, I know there's some f like uh photos they released that had MC Jagger in photos with Bill and Epstein. >> So, I don't know. I don't know if that was just a dinner or he's part of it. So, I would like >> that says shame on you for being here. Woman in minorities. Do you see that one over there? >> A lot of women out here. And but the good thing is about >> very very reversely sexist and racist. Look at that. >> She's assuming that you cannot be a conservative if you're a woman or a minority. >> Oh my god. >> That is true. >> I don't feel that way. But I do feel that it's nice that in America still at least right now we can all come together and talk. We can have a conversation. >> Yeah. We appreciate you for being a protester that will actually have a conversation. For instance, unlike these people over here, they just started blasting their music. >> And I agree. There's some people on both ends where they want to stir up trouble. And I think there's there's, you know, good trouble and whatnot, but that doesn't help us as Americans. Doesn't help us as a society. Um, I'm getting worried. The reason why I'm out here is I feel like it's getting to a point where pedophilia is going to be just accepted in America. Like there's some people that and or even like there's some people like their favorite musician, they find that stuff out and they say, "No, no, no, no way. That can't be true." >> But if the evidence is there, >> we need to be like, "Hey, that's not okay." and we need to hold them accountable. >> Just curious, what motivates you to come out here today and protest. >> You know, I I kind of thought we were past this stuff. I kind of thought they have seen files and more evidence would come out on all of them. And that and that includes Biden, honestly, I'm going to be honest, not having the balls to put them out. >> And that includes Trump not having the [ __ ] balls to put them out unredacted. >> So, I think both of them don't have the best interest of us. I also don't think it's completely his decision to have the files redacted or not. >> Well, here we have multiple people. >> Bondi, it's her decision and she's supposed to work for us, >> but it doesn't seem like she's working for us. Seems like she's working for one person. >> Well, the good news is the truth will come out in due time. And I do really I do really respect you. >> We're going to speak with the lady who and having a civil conversation versus hiding behind a sign, playing sirens in my face. I really respect that. >> Bring it in. Look at that hug. Look at that hug. Go get it. America is guys, it's improving policy through conversation, not hiding behind a sign. Thank you. I appreciate that. >> Of course, man. You guys be safe. >> Thank you, sir. >> Appreciate it. All right, we're going to go back over talk to the lady with the Constitution map. The lady or the lady leading reading the Declaration of Independence. He was reading >> Nick. Great guy. Very nice meeting you. >> Thank you. Nice >> to see you again soon. >> Young man with bright futures. How's it going? >> Got something to say. >> All right. >> From Canada. >> You're from Canada. What brought you out here today? Uh I moved to Phoenix >> in the last uh couple of months. >> Okay. >> But what we were talking about is just how the last 5 years I've been jumping through the hoops of getting licensed, getting my visa, you know, waiting in line, going through the process, paying all the fees, and finally coming here after 5 years, and also not wanting people to be able to jump the line and uh you know, come here illegally. How's it felt seeing so many people come through the border just just literally like a few hours away from here and then you doing it legally and now the word of immigration has been weaponized so much? >> Well, obviously it's unfair, but I honestly think that that's one of the things Trump has already sort of fixed. Um, and I think the average American, despite what you see on on TV, agrees that having an open border doesn't make sense. And I don't think that >> how much more time do you think it it uh prevented from you from getting your visa or your uh citizenship because of the mass immigration that took place? >> I've never thought about it that way honestly of the the time that the you know CBP was having to deal with all that so that my application was not getting processed. But I'm just grateful to be here now. So I'm not going to worry about that. >> Nice. Well, >> appreciate you for being here and being happy to be here. >> What do you got to say, Booker T? >> He had one other really good point. He wanted to explain because he said people that are here, like if they said, "Let's move to Canada," they'd be like, "Great. The healthcare in Canada is so awesome." But what did you say about going to the doctor there? >> Um, okay. Yeah. So, >> what's the truth about free healthcare? >> The truth about healthcare in Canada, I can give you an anecdotal example. I work as a dentist. My dental office in Canada was about 100 yards from uh the hospital, literally across the street. I had a patient that was having an emergency. We called 911 for an ambulance. It took 45 minutes for the ambulance to arrive at the dental office, even though I could see the ambulance bay from the window. I went in the ambulance with the patient to the hospital and waited to see a doctor for more than eight hours until the patient finally decided that they were sick of waiting for a doctor. They were feeling better. I didn't want them to drive home because I was worried that, you know, something might happen. So, I ended up walking back across the street to our office, driving them in their car back to their apartment, and then walking back to the office and driving myself home at like midnight because the patient wasn't willing to wait to see a doctor basically. >> Wow. So, free healthcare is not the move. >> Free healthcare is, in my opinion, not better. >> Awesome. Thank you, sir. Thanks for being here. Appreciate you. Let's go talk to the >> I took a picture of course from Chicago. Oh, awesome. >> My kids are huge fans of yours. >> Amazing. Let's tell them hi. >> That's exciting seeing you here. >> Thank you so much, sir. >> Keep up the good work. >> I appreciate that. Thank you. >> Let's go talk to the lady who was yelling the she was reading the Declaration of Independence. Yeah, let's do it. >> I see you all the time for real. >> Appreciate you, my man. >> Appreciate it. >> Yeah. How's it going? >> Good. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. I love you so much. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Yeah, too. >> Awesome. Let's go talk to these ladies over here. >> Oh, we got our green light. We got green light. >> Don't cross. >> We got green light. >> Imagine doing that for the cops. >> Oh, yeah. Well, we were just moving right here and get over. >> Listen to these people. They're lunatics. >> What's the What is the kid's name with you in the suit? Oh, I forgot his name. Great kid. >> Will not [screaming] pass >> someone. And he's still crossing right in front of two police officers. >> Safety first. Yeah. >> Yeah. We make sure we check both sides of the road. Thanks. Thank you officers for being out here today. Let's uh move over to this side. Oh, we got five seconds. >> I want to talk to lady with the Declaration of Independence. I want to ask you what I want to ask you about your flag. >> Yeah. So, this is the first flag of the state of Maine. >> Okay. Great. >> Yeah. >> Cool. >> I'm originally from Maine. >> Oh. Oh, so this is the first flag of the state of Maine. I just vexalologically speaking, I don't really like the current Maine flag. I think this one's cool. >> What's that mean? Vexalologically speaking, >> the study of flags, like design, flag design. >> What would you do different with the flag of Maine? >> I would do this. The current flag of Maine is a blue field with the state seal on it. It says Drigo over the top, which is the state motto. Duro is Latin. >> First time I've ever met from Maine. >> Yeah. Well, pleasure. >> We exist. Yeah. Maine. The state of Maine, if I remember correctly, and my numbers could be wrong, uh, but I think the state of Maine itself is smaller than Phoenix, or at least the Phoenix metro area. >> The state of Maine >> population wise. >> Oh, population. Okay. I believe it. I've never met anyone from Maine. And what brought you out here today to come out and protest? >> Uh, well, I don't like the organization. Turning Point USA. The people are cool. You know, the people out here, they have more in common with me than we have a part, but the organization and their organizational goals. What do you not like about the organization what Charlie Cook Charlie Cook represented? >> That's kind of a loaded question. I do >> I disagree with the ideology of the organization that he started, >> but I agree with the concept. Right? So Charlie Kirk said um he said like we need to have conservatism and education, right? If you want to create a conservative political future, you need to educate people in the conservative way. You need to start when people are young. And I agree with that. If you want to educate people, you got to start when you're young. I it's going to be really hard for me to learn Mandarin today, but if I was three trying to learn Mandarin, I'd have a much easier time, right? So, I agree with him on that. Um, I just disagree. We disagree ideologically speaking. Uh, so I don't really I didn't have an issue with Turning Point when they started, but they have morphed far beyond what Charlie Kirk was supporting and what he was standing for. And now it's just a grift. It's a scam. and they're they're grifting these people out of their money. Like their revenue is $85 million. 25 million of that's executive salaries. Man, if I was giving my money and 25% of it was just going in someone's pocket, that would bother me. And so I'm trying to convince these people that they've been conned and that we can still disagree about stuff, but you don't have to be part of this group. >> So you think all like an organization like this shouldn't be allowed to make money? >> They should be legally allowed to. I just don't think people ought to give to them. >> Yeah, cuz I for instance, if you provide such a service to so many people, I don't think there should be a cap on how much money you make. >> You know what I mean? >> I do know what you mean. The question. >> Yeah. So, no, I think that's just kind of wrong in like a thinking standpoint. It's like being mad at somebody for making money when they're providing such a large value for so many people. Like look how many people came out here. We have like my cameraman today. He's a 15-year-old from Philadelphia and he felt inspired to come out here today because of what Charlie Kirk did. So, I feel like when uh People getting angry at people for making profits or for for succeeding so much is not >> But you have a question though. You're interviewing me. >> Yeah. So I know, but I'm just asking like what's wrong with that? But then um because I don't think it's wrong for someone to make more money. >> Still processing. What's What is your question? >> Yeah. So why do you have a problem with them making a large salary for instance? >> I don't have a legal >> That's what you talked about. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't have a legal challenge against them making large profits. I have a problem with people being conned by them. Like PT Barnum, he's had a sucker is born every minute, right? I He has the legal right to to sell snake oil to people and sell them tickets to his three- ring circus. And if they people want to pay, hey, go for it. That's America. That's capitalism, baby. But I think people ought not to want to spend their money there. I think people ought to spend their money elsewhere. >> It's their choice. We have the freedom of choice. Yeah. So, I that's that's the choice that I would I would counsel people to to take. Okay, great. This is the Caitlyn Bennett, >> the legend. How are you doing, >> Nick? Shirley, >> how you doing? >> How's it going? >> We got a lady from your interview. >> What? >> I interrupted your interview. >> Oh, all good. I would She's I would love for you two to have a conversation here on the live stream. >> Absolutely. Oh, we're live streaming. Okay. Hi, everybody. Hi, Nick Shirley. Hi, Mom. Who's this? >> This is our cameraman from Philadelphia. >> Oh, that's amazing. 15-year-old came out here all the way from Philadelphia on his own. >> Yes. I'm sure you guys know who Nick Shirley is. He goes out and uh tells the Portland Antifa to quit touching him. Right. >> Touch me. >> Which Portland? >> I I don't go to Portland. He goes to Portland. >> Which Portland? >> Uh Oregon. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> I'm from Portland, Maine originally. >> Oh, okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. All right. So, >> I have a little bit of, you know, home pride, right? I care about my Portland, too. My Portland's pretty cool, too. >> I've never heard of Portland, Maine, so >> Oh, it's the biggest city in Maine. >> Is it? >> 60,000 people. really. You know what's crazy? The biggest city in Maine is 60,000 people. In uh Michigan, the Somali population is 80,000. 80 to 100,000 people. Isn't that crazy to think about that? They take up the size of an entire city. >> Mhm. >> That's insane. >> It's the weirdest interview I've ever been in. No one's asking me questions. >> Oh, I just want to Do you want to go back? >> No, I want you I want You're live right You're live right now. I want to see I want to give everyone what it's like live. >> Okay. Yeah. So, >> basically just asking people out here what they're protesting today. What brought you out here? I'm like like I told him, I'm protesting against the organization Turning Point USA. Not the people here on the street. People on here on the street, >> most of them I I can't speak for everyone, but most of them have more in common with me than we have difference. Okay? >> Right. Um, I think they've been conned by an organization who's selling them snake oil in the form of uh the the type of Christianity that they like, the type of Christianity that makes them feel good about themselves. The type of uh Christianity and and uh political ideology where they don't have to change anything about themselves or where they don't have to examine themselves. And by selling that product to them, it's a very enjoyable product, right? Uh just like someone selling fentanyl is an enjoyable product to the user for a little while, right? But then eventually it's destructive. Um, >> could you go more into depth with that when you say they're being conned into the type of Christianity? Can you be more specific about what they're being conned into and what you think they should be practicing as Christians? >> Yeah. Well, I don't I I I don't have a I I'm not the Pope, right? So, I can't tell Christians exactly what to believe, right? And the Pope only covers one sect of Christianity, but uh I I'm not a religious leader. Uh but I've read the Bible a couple of times. And Jesus is very clear in his words about feeding the hungry, teaching the ignorant, clothing the naked, visiting those in prison, being nice to strangers, right? The story of the good Samaritan is all about how Samaritans, nobody liked them. Everyone wanted the Samaritans gone. So if you co-opted that story to today, it would be the good Mexican or the good Venezuelan where nobody wants, oh, you know, we want the good Somalian, right? We don't want Somalians in our town. And then all of a sudden the Somalian goes and helps someone. And it's like, yeah, that's what we're supposed to be. We're supposed to be good people. I grew up, so I was born in Portland, Maine. I grew up in Springfield, Missouri. And in Springfield is the head of the James River Assembly Church. It's like their version of the Vatican, right? And I went to a couple of their services. And it felt more like a rock concert than going to church. >> Yeah. That's You know what? That's why I'm a Catholic, actually. >> I grew up Catholic. Yeah. >> Yeah. You grew up Catholic, but you're not Catholic anymore. Yeah. Well, We'll bring you home one day. But that's exactly why I'm a Catholic. I do appreciate the reverence and the beauty of the Catholic faith. A lot of Protestant churches, it feels like you're in a motivational speech, right? No dissing to Nick's uh Protestant uh you know, audience or anything. >> Believe what you believe. Your belief is yours. >> Yeah. But and you touched on how, you know, we're supposed to be welcoming everybody and stuff like that. As Christians though, we can recognize bringing in a culture of well, non-Christians and cultures that don't abide by even a slither of Christianity or Christian ideology or theology could be dangerous for a Christian nation or Christians in our nation. When you bring over people who believe in child marriage, child rape, uh committing acts of amazing, incredible, bizarre and brazen acts of fraud in Minnesota. That's that's not that's not something with a culture that we ideally would want over here. Their way of life, their culture, and their religion is not conducive to this country and what the founding fathers wanted for this country and not even what most people want for this country. The majority, the popular vote went to Donald Trump. >> He's talking at me again. You're not asking questions. >> Nope. No, I'm talking with you. Yeah. So, a part of dialogue, I don't always have to ask questions. I'm just having >> He said he wanted to interview me. So, this is >> Well, I interrupted your interview. >> All right. Well, it's all good. You guys continue your conversation. This lady right here, she's all the way out from Utah. She's a failed adult star. Well, she they never made it to the word star. Sorry, I'm in front of you. >> She's a failed uh she tried to make some money doing some naughty stuff on the internet. >> Then she tried to be then she tried to become a stand-up comedian in Salt Lake. That failed. She went on Jubilee. That failed as well. And now she's out here on the streets of Phoenix against the lack of Charlie Kirk and his organization. >> And now she's sing she's serenating us. >> Now she's serenating us with a deport Melania. Her name her Herick name her nickname's Deville. Go over to her. >> Yeah, this this will be some good content right here. >> It was nice talking. [music] >> Her song literally says Fox News or do you not believe Fox News? Are they fake news? Is Fox News fake news or real news? Hey you guys, is Fox News fake news or real news? Let me know. Let me know. >> Let's bring it down a couple notches. I know you're smart enough to have a real conversation, right? You're not >> Oh, no. I don't know how to talk. No, I'm stupid. You're right. I'm absolutely stupid. I can't I'm a woman. I'm a woman. I shouldn't even be out here. What am I doing outside of the kitchen? Women aren't supposed to work. Women, no voting, no talking. >> Working on the block. [laughter] >> It's nothing new for Chelsea. I love the idea that like you're going to try and weaponize who I like anything against me. Dude, I love who I am. >> I love who I am. >> Who are you? Tell me. >> Chelsea Gods, obviously. >> Yeah, but who are who is Chelsea? >> Who is Chel? Like singer, songwriter, creative, comedian, activist, uh, allaround badass, total awesome girl. >> What other careers have you? >> Uh, myself. >> Well, that pretty much sums it up sums up a lot there. Yeah, I believe in Jesus Christ. You don't believe in yourself? >> I put Jesus Christ above myself. So, I believe that I can do good things and I believe that I'm a strong person who can go out there and do a lot of cool things. Um, >> you don't think Jesus would want you to like yourself? >> Yeah. No, I love myself because Jesus loves me, >> right? But you you >> No, I love myself because Ruple Stillskin loves me. That's a great question. Yeah. My Lord and Savior Rumple Stillskin tells me that if I do everything that he asks, then when I die, he's going to teach me how to spin straw into gold. And I won't know until I die, though. So, um, I'm just following all the tenants of Rumple Stiltskism. Rumple Stiltskin is I'm here now and yeah, I guess you're right. I only have any worth in this world because Ruple Stiltskin told me to. Otherwise, I don't have any value. You're right. Okay, I understand. Yeah, we just have different religions. >> Yeah, it feels like it feels like we believe. >> What's been your most successful venture in life so far? >> Uh my su most successful venture in life so far. >> I've seen you went from uh your one your one career then you did standup comedian for a little bit in Salt Lake and now you I saw you on Jubilee recently. How long do you think it took me to be where I'm at right now? Like because I actually just started doing this not that long ago. So, how long do you think would it take for a person to be like doing what I'm doing successfully? How long did it take you before you're like, "Oh, I'm really doing this successfully." >> It took me a few years, actually. >> Right. It took me less than a year. So, >> how old are you? >> 40. >> That's right, America. >> Yeah, that's right. You don't even have to be 13 to be hot. No, I'm divorced. >> Yeah. I divorced my husband because he became a QAnon MAGA freakazoid and I divorce your husband, ladies. Leave your husbands if they're MAGA. >> I know you're going to put that online and I love it. So, thank you. >> Is it true or not true that you do have a like a >> what would you call like? >> Never mind. I don't want to get too much in person. >> No, I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate that. Uh because like realistically, I'm a pretty nice person. I really believe in others. I believe in humanity. I believe in kindness. I believe that the world should be better. I think 67% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck is disgusting. I think the fact that it went up from 60% of Americans to 67% of Americans within one year of the Trump presidency is scary. It's dangerous. Those kind of things are not helpful for everyone. The fact that most Americans are feeling poor is not an acceptable situation. You know, I don't think anyone feels that way. And to hear the president of the United States say that unaffordability is a lie, that affordability is a scam. Well, that's not true because every single person who's coming to this event, most people are feeling the pinch of unaffordability in the United States of America. And it is a problem and it's not a left or a right problem. It's an up versus down problem and we need to band together as people and be on the side of others. We need to be on the side of each other because trusting billionaires doesn't work out well for anyone. I don't care if it's 1880 or if it's 2025. There are no billionaires who are doing right by regular people. And we need to understand that. I don't care if we don't agree on abortion or if we don't agree on everything, but we can agree on the fact that life should not feel like a struggle. Normalizing struggle in the United States of America is the antithesis of the American dream. And I because I am 40 years old, because I am as old as I am, I know that life didn't feel this way 20 years ago. >> You have a a necklace that says 666. >> Yeah. Because it's hilarious. >> If a $7 necklace makes someone like you feel uncomfortable, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. >> All I didn't even express my thoughts about or my feelings about the necklace. I just noticed it. >> Yeah. But I didn't put that on you. I said if someone like you feels uncomfortable because >> Who is someone like me? What do you mean like me? >> Uh I would say fundamentalist Christian. >> You That's me. >> Yes. I think you look like a Christian fundamentalist. I think you are a Christian fundamentalist. From what I know about who you are as a person, I would say that you would be >> Who am I as a person? >> Uh, a girl who [ __ ] herself at a party once. >> Okay. And so that makes me a Christian fundamentalist. >> No, that actually makes you a girl who [ __ ] herself at a party once. What makes you a Christian fundamentalist is your belief system. >> What's my belief system? >> Christian fundamentalism. >> Which is >> why don't you tell me like why are you asking me your personal belief system? Tell me. >> It's just interesting that you are telling me. >> What do you What do you identify as? So, you just said really >> what do you identify as? >> Take a chill pill real second. >> No. What do you identify as? >> It's funny that you're able to have a identify as a smart conversation and talking about the things and the really the nitty-gritty that you believe in >> and you were able to do that. But the second that >> I'm not having a smart conversation with you. I'm asking you what your personal beliefs are when you're trying to make like some sort of judgement about them. >> You can't have a conversation. >> You were trying to control the conversation and like make it seem like there's some narrative here. I asked you your belief systems. I've given you the opportunity to say it and you're not. that on me. You made the accus fundamentalist. What is your proof? How do you know anything about me and my faith? >> Do you think being a Christian fundamentalist is bad? >> I'm not a Christian fundamentalist. >> I'm asking if you think that's a bad term. >> It can be. Some Christian fundamentalists can >> What do you not like about Christian fundamentalism? Like what is it that you disagree with? >> Well, I I'm a Catholic. >> Oh, you're Catholic. Okay. >> So, I'm a Catholic. >> So, how do you feel as a Catholic knowing that the Vatican does not like what Trump is doing with immigration? >> Yeah. So, number one, when you're talking about the Vatican, who are you talking about? >> I think I'm talking about the Pope and I'm talking about the cardinals at the Vatican. >> Yeah. So, >> I'm asking you like how that feels. >> I know. And I'm trying to answer you. I first follow Jesus Christ. Okay. And I'm a Catholic because I believe Jesus Christ instituted Catholic >> the the Catholic Church. That's the one true church. That's the one true faith. That's where all Christians should be going to mass on Sunday is a Catholic church. >> Oh, okay. The thing is when the pope speaks about things, he's speaking from a Catholic perspective. I do not go to the pope for my political insights. >> He speaks on Catholicism and Catholic teaching. He also is allowed to have his own opinions. He's not speaking on behalf of the church. He's speak Hold on. He's speaking on the behalf of him and what he believes in the lens of of Catholicism would be appropriate for this pope. Who chose him as the pope? Hold on one second. >> Do you think God chooses the pope or is it like people? Give me a second to finish my answer to you. >> The Pope also came out and clarified that he does believe countries are allowed to enforce their borders. He has he said a lot of things and to different people based on different questions. And so, but the thing is I don't go to the Pope for my political insight. I go to the Pope and I I read >> Well, maybe you should go to him for your moral insight. Maybe you should go to him for your moral insight because he's telling you what the Catholic Church is saying their morality is. And then you're of course refusing to listen to what the Catholic Church says their morality is because they believe it because I know that Catholic priests are showing up at these immigration hearings. I know that they're against the Trump immigration policies. I know that the Catholic Church in the United States has a policy against what Trump is doing. So I think that policy >> What do you mean what pol like the Catholic Church policy? I mean I don't know. I'm not part of the priest. I just know that they show up there. >> Yeah, but I know that they show up. I know that they show up to be the cardinal. I know that the bishops I know they're going. What's the policy? >> I think that you're just on the wrong side of the Catholic Church. What's the policy? >> So, I think you should be looking to the Pope. I think you should be looking to the Pope for moral leadership. And if that's what he's using to show you how Catholics should be, maybe you should be listening to what he's saying to you. Maybe that's the truth. Maybe if God put him in his position to say that >> about Catholicism from someone wearing a 666 >> neck. No, you said it didn't scare you. But I guess it does. That's okay. >> You just don't have any credit for criticizing Catholicism. >> Yeah. You wear a $7 necklace from Amazon. I'm not a sex worker. >> I'm not a sex worker comedian. >> Oh, former thing. >> Yeah, but I'm not a I think that's so funny that you just tried to diminish me to my genitalia. You're like, Chelsea, I know that we've had this conversation. I know that you're popular online. I know that you're smart. I know you're singular. >> And now And now I'm just going to diminish you to nothing but a vagina. >> She was just talking. >> You just made a song about this. She wasn't I You did. You subjectified yourself, sweetheart. >> You had a song talking about you love anal sex. You were No. No. Please let me speak. >> To sit here and say that somebody Fine, then go. >> I am. >> But to sit there and say that somebody's subjectifying you is ridiculous. It's irrational and you're looking for conflict. You're over here talking about her necklace and this that and the other. It has nothing to do with the issue. >> All right. And if you're going to sit here and talk about your love [music] and sex, >> listen, [singing] she starts backing it up. >> And Exactly. I mean, you're looking for conflict. You're not looking to start and talk and have a real [music] conversation. Listen to this. >> And why would you guys feed into this? >> I mean, what I think is happening to our country, real. Can we walk over [music] here? [singing] >> Yeah. Let's talk to this guy. This guy's very well. This guy knows how to articulate a sentence. >> Can I get a picture? >> Yeah. One sec. One sec. This guy's a very well articulated man. We appreciate this. >> Thank you. I'm not political. All right. I don't believe in Republican or Democrat because it's not in the Constitution. It's not in our Declaration of Independence. It's just American, one nation under God. Whatever they do, [music] they do as one. The trick is to give us the illusion that there is a choice and that there is a separation to keep us fighting over these things. These things right here to keep the us not talking about the fact that we're working harder five generations now. We're working harder than our great great greatgrandparents and our grandparents did who had no education, who sent their first generations to college. We were on our way somewhere. And then something happened in the 50s. One of the big things I think that happened is they took the Bible out of school. People don't know, a lot of you young people don't even know the Bible was curriculum. And I'm not religious once again, but it the Bible gives us a strong moral code to live by. We were family. We were community. We knew our neighbors. Our children played outside, met new friends. Those new friends wanted to spend the night and they had to ask their parents and their parents became friends. Today, mom's in the park on fentanyl and we think that they give us this propaganda about it comes from China, it comes from here. They didn't want this stuff in this country, it wouldn't be here. This is a weapon against us. There is an attack on all of us. Red, blue, conservative, liberal, it doesn't matter. The American is under attack. Our dollar is go is is buying a lot less. We're working a lot harder for it. We're losing our constitutional rights whether you realize it or not. A lot through the technology that we're using today. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> that's interesting. Can you go more >> go more into that? I'm interested in what like maybe like two minutes. No problem. Um, I actually missed an interview that I was supposed to do, but >> the technology I believe so in the Bible and all this is in the Bible. This is all written. Once you really once God gives you the divine, the divine eye, you really see it. The image of the beast in Revelations 13 said the beast out of the sea will force all of us to follow the image of the beast. 1950 is when this television came into our home. How do we television? We do it remotely. What are we doing? We're channeling. What are we channeling? A program. Where is the program from? A broadcast. You channel spirits remotely. We as human beings have been channeling spirits longer than ESPN. The people that did it, they said, had ESP. It comes from a broadcast. You cast spells. This is witchcraft. This witchcraft came into our homes right after World War II when all the technology that we use today came into our homes. I believe our government made a deal with the devil for the technology and for the power. I believe when they exploded that atom, which it a nuclear bomb is the power to release the energy of an of the star. >> Thank you. >> God bless. >> Yeah. God bless you. And uh Caitlin, thanks for coming on. It was fun to have you on the live stream. And uh go ahead and subscribe to Caitlin. Where can they find you at? Liberty Hangout on YouTube and Rumble. >> Awesome. Thank you, Caitlin. >> Where did that guy go? >> Dude, appreciate you, bro. Thank you. God bless you. Merry Christmas. >> Putting together your sentences. I appreciate that. >> Thank you, bro. >> Here, let me One sec. >> All right, >> there's a meal for you. >> God bless you. >> God bless you. >> Merry Christmas. Should we go inside Anfest, you guys, or should we stay out here? Let me know. Let's see who do who should we talk to next? >> Why do you idolize a man who was a racist lady up here? >> 25 million to be judged [laughter] if >> she's a woman and a She's a woman and she would like to speak to you about your sign about saying shame on you for being a woman here. >> Can you at least give her like five seconds? >> Make racism wrong again. your hat. If you had the opportunity to ask President Trump one question, what would it be? >> Raise your hands if you agree with me. >> Like the whole purpose of being out here today for a protest is to let people know your opinion on stuff. But um >> don't just speak out speak against it. >> What does your sign say? >> Yeah. They don't they don't want to show their face because they don't actually support what they say. >> How you doing? >> Good. >> What brings you out here today? Uh >> I've been interviewed enough. Thank you. >> I know. But we're just trying to give more voice to you guys out here. Hello. Hello. >> I'm not I'm not out here for your up votes, okay? I'm not here to make you popular. Thank you. >> Oh, okay. Love. >> Don't go into the dent. >> All right. Should we go inside of Afest, everybody? >> What's your shirt say? Your shirt also says uh >> what he was saying was >> Jeez, we got Milan. We got Chelsea. You guys want me to go back to Chelsea? give millions to the executive commission. >> How how can wanting America to be better, how can that be brainwashing, racist, how can that be anything like that? How can shame on you for blaming being here? Women and minorities. >> How can that be wrong for being here when we want America to be a better place when >> we want we want America to be the best it can be? We love minorities. We love women. Donald Sorry, don't touch the sign. >> If you're here for a reason, you need to speak about why you're here instead of just cover up your face. >> But it's all right. >> The sombrero. >> How you doing, sir? >> All right. >> You're balling out here. You got the sombrero on the oxygen tank. I love it. What brought you all the way out here? What motivated you to come out here today? >> Uh, my Chevy truck. came out to enjoy the day, see what's going on. >> Nice. What's your take on Turning Point and the life of Charlie Kirk with everyone coming out here to celebrate it. >> Oh, I thought this was just a standard America first rally. >> Mhm. >> Or not first, America fast >> that you're here to celebrate America. Kind of wonder why you all seem to be disagreeing in there and kind of like who's the biggest you Nick Fuentes got the most or who's got the biggest viewers. Yeah. >> Thought you were like coming together for unity. >> I know. Now there's a little civil war. >> I know grandpa's gone crazy. >> I mean, I understand it happens, but this is what's going to take over for grandpa. >> Well, well, I don't. >> And uh, who do you think's next right now on Poly Market for 2028? It's between JD Vance and Gavin Newsome. JD Vance is leading right now. Who would you predict wins in 202? >> Predict wins? >> You know, let's wait till we get there. >> Let's wait till we get there. >> You think for instance, because it is Gavin Newton? >> What do you think first? We will put we will invade Venezuela or release the Epstein piles. >> Well, they released them. >> I didn't really love the release cuz you >> I don't It looked like that. It looked sort of just like that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's just like >> that's like one thing that Trump has done. It's just like come on. >> I wish they would have just been more transparent on that. >> They voted for the guy. Oops. >> My mother >> GOP god member card carrying member of the GOP. She'd be rolling in her grave right now. >> Yeah. >> I mean, >> I don't know. You got that stuff. >> Should Trump go in some old m
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