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Rob Hersov on South Africa's Economic Collapse: Race-Based Policies and the ANC's Destruction
South African entrepreneur Rob Hersov delivered a scathing assessment of his country's trajectory under ANC rule, arguing that decades of mismanagement, corruption, and increasingly punitive race-based policies have driven South Africa into economic decline and mass emigration. Speaking with Andrew Gold, Hersov detailed how Black Economic Empowerment laws have evolved from well-intentioned affirmative action into what he described as "economic genocide", with 114 race-based laws added since 1994, nearly all anti-white. He described new employment equity rules requiring businesses with 50+ employees to match the country's racial makeup in both ownership and management, making it nearly impossible for white, colored, or Indian business owners to build enterprises. Hersov pointed to a trillion rand extracted from the economy benefiting only 100 politically-connected families, a failing education system, racial quotas even in sports, and 1.6 trillion rand in corporate cash sitting uninvested due to lack of confidence. With skilled professionals emigrating in droves and South African corporates refusing to invest, Hersov warned that the country's decline, while not yet reaching the level of literal genocide, already exhibits six of the ten UN-defined elements.
The Transformation of Black Economic Empowerment
Rob Hersov opened the conversation by addressing South Africa's Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) policies, which were introduced in the 1990s with the stated intention of empowering previously disadvantaged communities following apartheid. Initially, many South Africans supported the concept as a reasonable effort to bring black, colored, and Indian citizens into the mainstream economy. However, Hersov argued that what began as a well-intentioned policy has evolved into something far more destructive.
Since 1994, when South Africa adopted its new constitution and removed many apartheid-era racial laws, 114 new race-based laws have been added to the books — nearly all of them, according to Hersov, anti-white. What started as Black Economic Empowerment has now become "Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment," a term Hersov compared to a "bunker-busting bomb" — designed to destroy an economy without taking lives.
New Employment Equity Rules Threaten Business Ownership
Hersov described new employment equity regulations that he believes will devastate private enterprise in South Africa. Under these rules, any business with 50 or more employees — essentially a small family-owned business — must ensure that its shareholding structure mirrors the racial makeup of the country. Given that South Africa's population is approximately 80% black, this means white, colored, and Indian business owners would be forced to hand over majority control of their companies to black shareholders.
Additionally, the executive and management teams must also reflect the country's racial quotas. Hersov questioned how any business owner from a minority group could justify building a company under such conditions, knowing they would eventually be required to surrender control. He pointed out that in certain regions, particularly the Western Cape and Northern Cape, there simply aren't enough black residents to meet these quotas — a demographic reality rooted in South Africa's history.
Historical Context: Who Settled Where?
Hersov provided historical context for the demographic distribution across South Africa. When the Dutch arrived at the Cape in 1650, the region was inhabited by the Khoisan people and some scattered communities, but not by the major black tribes that would later become associated with South Africa's population. Those tribes — the Xhosa and others — were migrating southward from East Africa over centuries and first encountered the Boers (Dutch settlers moving inland) at the Fish River near Port Elizabeth.
This means the Western Cape and Northern Cape were never historically inhabited by these black tribes. Yet today, institutions such as Bishops, a prestigious private school in Cape Town that Hersov's son attended, face pressure to increase black enrollment despite the limited pool of black families in the area. Hersov noted that these schools are struggling to meet racial quotas that don't align with the demographics of their regions.
Racial Quotas Extend Even to Sports
One of the most striking examples Hersov gave involved South Africa's national sports teams. Despite the success of the Springboks rugby team — a source of national pride and international acclaim — head coach Rassie Erasmus (whom Hersov described as an incredible manager and with whom he had lunch recently) is required to field a certain number of players of color, including in the starting 15.
Hersov argued that sports should be the ultimate meritocracy — the one area where quotas make no sense. He cited Gayton McKenzie, South Africa's Minister of Sports, Arts and Culture, who spent eight years in prison as a bank robber before becoming a successful entrepreneur and politician. McKenzie, according to Hersov, advocates for equal access but not equal outcomes — a principle that would allow a cricket team to be all white and a rugby team to be all black, as long as everyone had a fair chance to compete.
Hersov's own daughter, at age 13, did not make the Western Province water polo team because the selectors had to include a certain number of children of color. For Hersov, this example underscored how pervasive racial quotas have become, even affecting children's sports.
Mass Emigration and Brain Drain
Hersov described a troubling pattern: skilled South Africans are leaving the country in droves. On the morning of his interview with Andrew Gold, he landed at an airport and was approached by five people who recognized him and thanked him for giving them a voice. When he asked where they were headed, two of them were emigrating permanently — one to Chicago, one to Jacksonville.
This brain drain is not limited to white South Africans. People of all races who see no future in the country are leaving. Hersov estimated that between 300,000 and 400,000 white South Africans hold British passports, and if conditions worsen significantly, the UK could see a substantial influx of South African refugees.
Corporate Cash Sits Idle
South African corporations are sitting on 1.6 trillion rand (approximately $67 billion USD) in cash reserves that they refuse to invest. Hersov argued this staggering figure reflects a profound lack of confidence in the country's economy and the government's decision-making. When businesses with the resources to drive growth choose to hoard cash rather than invest, it signals a systemic crisis of trust.
A Trillion Rand Extracted for 100 Families
Hersov cited research by Professor Frans Cronje (referred to in the transcript as "Professor Gomedi"), who analyzed the economic impact of Black Economic Empowerment. Cronje's study concluded that a trillion rand had been extracted from the South African economy through BEE policies — but that this wealth had benefited only about 100 politically connected families, all linked to the ANC. This concentration of wealth, Hersov argued, exposes BEE as not genuine empowerment of the black population, but rather crony capitalism benefiting a small elite.
Economic Genocide and the UN Definition
When Andrew Gold raised the issue of farm murders and genocide, Hersov was careful to distinguish between literal genocide (such as Nazi extermination camps) and what he described as a slower, more insidious process. He noted that some voices in America, including within the Trump administration, had used the term "genocide" to describe the situation facing white farmers in South Africa, though Trump himself did not use the word.
Hersov referenced the UN's definition of genocide, which includes ten stages: classification, symbolization, discrimination, dehumanization, organization, polarization, preparation, persecution, extermination, and denial. He argued that South Africa has already progressed through six of these stages. While the country hasn't "lit the ovens," the conditions for genocide — systematic persecution, economic destruction, and forced displacement — are increasingly present.
The Failure of South Africa's Education System
Hersov was blunt about the state of South Africa's education system. Despite spending more money on education each year than many other countries, South Africa consistently produces some of the worst educational outcomes in the world. He described the situation as producing "some of the stupidest people."
Two years ago, the government responded to poor performance not by improving education but by lowering the pass rate, allowing officials to claim progress where none existed. As a result, even students who complete school often lack basic skills, making it extraordinarily difficult for businesses to find qualified employees — especially when those businesses are also required to meet strict racial quotas in hiring.
Comparisons to Maoism and Pol Pot
Andrew Gold drew a comparison between the targeting of farmers in South Africa and historical atrocities such as Pol Pot's regime in Cambodia, where intellectuals, French speakers, and even people who wore glasses were executed overnight. Hersov agreed with the comparison but noted a key difference: in South Africa, the process is slower. Rather than overnight mass killings, the destruction is economic, legal, and cultural — a form of "slow-motion" persecution that achieves similar ends over a longer timeline.
Cultural Compatibility and Immigration Policy
Hersov and Gold discussed immigration policy more broadly, with Gold mentioning a conversation he had with commentator Douglas Murray. Murray had argued that refugees should ideally be resettled in countries with similar cultures, languages, and religions to minimize ethnic tension and ease integration. By that logic, refugees from the Middle East should go to Egypt or Morocco, while the UK should prioritize refugees from English-speaking, Christian, pro-Western countries such as Ukraine, South Africa, Kenya, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
Hersov recalled his 24 years living in London and frequenting the NHS, where he often encountered doctors and nurses from Cameroon, Zambia, and other African Commonwealth nations — English speakers, culturally compatible, and able to integrate seamlessly. He suggested that Australia and New Zealand should open their doors to South Africans, who would bring skills, work ethic, and even improve the local rugby teams.
A Country in Crisis
Rob Hersov painted a picture of a country with enormous potential — natural resources, established industries, and a skilled workforce — that has been systematically destroyed by political mismanagement, corruption, and ideologically driven racial policies. He argued that after 30 years in power, the ANC has failed to empower the majority of black South Africans and has instead enriched a small political elite while driving the country into economic stagnation.
With mass emigration, corporate disinvestment, and a failing education system, South Africa faces a crisis that Hersov believes the international community has largely ignored. Yet he remained cautiously optimistic that if the country confronts these problems head-on, it still has the resources and talent to recover. The question, he suggested, is whether the political will exists to make that change — or whether South Africa has already passed the point of no return.
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What are some of the the policies?
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Because that's an interesting thing though because it should be the other way around. If if the white people are only eight, we're the minority.
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Yeah. So it should be make sure there's enough of and I get that that's complicated of course, you know, because historically I suppose the white people there were wealthier and I guess that's
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but they've had 30 years to run the country. You don't think in 30 years they could have empowered the previously disadvantaged.
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We spend more money on education every year and we have some of the worst results in the world. some of the stupidest people. And do you know what
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they did two years ago? They lowered the pass rate just so they could say we're still doing okay in education.
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So most of the people who even finished school are completely are stupid are fundamentally stupid.
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I see. And what are some what are some of those policies that have been implemented that are racist?
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So there's the racist ones are black economic empowerment.
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Let me give you a stat actually. the um in 1994 we had a lot of racial laws in place during apartheite. We all know
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that and then a lot of them were carved out of the out of the law out of constitution in 1994. You know, when we
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instituted our new constitution from 1994 onwards, 114 114
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race laws, race-based laws have been added, almost all of them anti-white. And there's a policy that was instituted in
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the 1990s called black economic empowerment. And the intention, which everyone was fine with in the beginning,
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was to empower the previously disadvantaged. It's not just black but colored Indians everyone who's
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discriminated against and bring them into the economy. Give them a chance. It was a nice thought.
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Nice thought. [clears throat] Whatever happens to these things, you know, with good intentions. And what has
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happened is it has just got more and more punitive, more and more socialist, and more and
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more racist to the point where this year the it's now called broadbased black
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economic empowerment. It sounds like bunker busting bomb. You know, there's something in there. It's how to destroy an economy without actually having
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killing any any people. This is the ANC's version of a bunker busting bomb.
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Destroys the economy without loss of life.
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and and the new ruling that's coming out which is related to employment equity, the employment equity act. Listen to
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this. If you have a business of 50 employees or more, a 50, it's like a small family-owned business,
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the makeup of the shareholding has to be equivalent to the racial makeup of the country. How does any white colored or
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Indian, because they're not considered black enough anymore, How does any black, so white colored or
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Indian private company owner even bother building a business in our country when you're going to have to hand over the majority of the company to black people?
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How do you do that? And how do you have the executive team and the management team be equivalent to the to the the
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structure of the country, the quotas of the country? Mhm. That seems like that seems like the end of the world because in certain areas of the country, I think I've heard you say that there just
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aren't many black people at all. So, you're really trying to find So, I'll give you an example. Bishops, which is a private school that my son went to, and you played rugby against
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when you were 13 or 12, you know, because they're no because when the Dutch arrived in the Cape in
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1650, there were no black tribes down there.
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There were the Koisan, the original kind of I don't want to say the word primitive, but yeah, the original civilization. Sure.
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And there were stunt loopers, people wandering around on the beach. The main black tribes, the Ga and the others, the the the the white tribe, the white
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tribesmen, the Boers that moved up country met were at the Fish River near Port Elizabeth, north of Port Elizabeth.
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That was the first time. So the western cape and northern cape was was never inhabited by the black tribes of Africa who had by the way over the last
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thousand years been moving south from East Africa. They call us settlers. They're settlers too.
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And the schools bishops for example or the schools in Cape Town are trying to get more and more black students but they
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don't have the pool of families in the area to delve into. By the way, there there
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are quotas in sport. You may not know this.
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Despite our success on the rugby field as springbox, Russy Arasm Russia Arasmus, our murial, incredible manager of the team with whom I had lunch on Friday.
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Oh, cool. [laughter] Quite a boozy lunch. Yeah.
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is forced to have an certain amount of people of color in the in the in the team including the opening 15
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which is nuts because you know which is nut sports is the example isn't it of like you wouldn't do that in sports correct yet and you know the the Minister of Sports
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Arts and Culture is a friend of mine he's um incredible man called Gayton McKenzie and uh you should get him on the show he
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spent eight years in jail as a bank robber and he was a very good bank robber he tells me then he became a very good entrepreneur N is a superb politician, Minister of Sports, Arts and
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Culture. It's a South African story view and he says we need to give equal access but not equal result. He said if the
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cricket team ends up being all white and the rugby team ends up being all black but we've had given everyone a chance.
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He said that's how it should be. And he's right. It's how meritocracy works.
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My daughter, age 13, didn't make the Western Province water polar team last year because they had to have a certain number of children of color in the team.
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So this you can describe it as empowerment, transformation,
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but you'd think after 30 years in power, enough's enough. Let's focus on economic growth and let's create a meritocracy
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where everyone has a chance. On the plane, I landed this morning. Okay. And uh I was just getting my stuff, getting organized. A couple of people walked up
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and said, "Rob, lovely. Thanks for what you're doing for giving us a voice." And I always asked them, "What's your name?
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Where are you going? Are you going on holiday?" Of the five people that came up, two of them were immigrating, both to America. Wow.
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One to Chicago, one to Jacksonville, leaving the country. So there's been a mass brain drain from our country.
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Another little point that no one knows, South African corporates are sitting on 1.6 6 trillion rand divided by 24 dollars.
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What's that? 800 million billion. No idea.
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Okay. 1.6 trillion rand of cash that they're not investing. Why are they not investing it? They don't have confidence
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in the country, the economy and the decision made by the government.
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We we are your basic South Africa is basic. It's it's like us on speed. It's it's you know DI taken to the extreme extreme in motion.
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Yeah. Yeah, we find it extreme here. I mean I mean and and what you what you were talking about regarding business owners. I know people who own businesses or high up in companies and most of
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their their time now is spent going like, "Okay, how can we find enough people to fit a box?" Yeah.
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But but the white people in South Africa, 7%. Yeah. And we're being discriminated against. Isn't that ridiculous?
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It should be easier though for you in certain areas of South Africa to find at least a number of people from those kinds of mixed bags.
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No, but our education system failed us terribly. So finding skilled people is incredibly difficult and and presumably you need to have 80%
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black people in your company. Is that right?
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Well, it started off with the equity of the company. So 30% Oh, it how it started was any company in
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South Africa doing business with the state had to have 30% of it sheling owned by previously disadvantaged.
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previously disadvantaged has has morphed into no whites, no colors, no Indians
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and no black tribes that aren't the black tribes or individuals we decide. Oh, really? So, it's particularism. Wow.
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This incredible professor Gomedi did an analysis six months ago where he analyzed the impact of black economic
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empowerment. Wonderful three words. You listen to it, you say, "Oh, that sounds fair. It's like DEI. Oh, that sounds nice. ECG ESG sounds nice. CRT once you
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know what they really mean it's cultural Marxism, racism and economic destruction.
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And Gdi's analysis said the following that a trillion rand had been extracted out of the economy
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using be this law benefiting 100 families only. Wow.
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So it isn't black economic compound.
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It's a 100 crony families of the ANC economic empowerment and we know their names.
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Wow. The the focus on on the farmers in particular as well, it really makes you think, doesn't it, of mauism and of of slow motion.
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So you remember in Cambodia
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[clears throat]
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it was overnight pulpot was it overnight anyone who was intellectual, anyone who wore glasses, anyone who could speak French,
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bang dead. here it's just taking a lot longer slower but it's happening the
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there's economic genocide taking place but on the human side you know this word
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genocide gets thrown around a lot and Trump didn't use it but some people in America did say that genocide of white
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farmers well are they lighting ovens for South African farmers for white farmers no they're not but if you look at the definition the UN definition of genocide
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there are 10 elements there's classification, organization, um, persecution,
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denial, 10 elements, and then there's extermination.
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We're probably six of those elements already in place. So, it is happening.
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They haven't lit the lit the ovens yet, and they may not, but people are leaving. People are brain drained. Not just white people,
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but people of all races that just don't see South Africa ever turning around are leaving the country in droves. It's melting down.
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Take take me in. Take me in.
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Can I give I'll give you one scary thing for you poor Brits.
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There are probably I think it's 300 to 400,000 white mainly white South Africans have British passports. Yeah, I have one.
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Well, you're welcome.
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If things get really bad, you're going to get stuck with us. Well, if South Africans take up 300,000 of the million a year we let in, then you know, yeah,
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I think we'd be quite a good mob to let in. But it's similar cultures.
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That's it. I mean, and that's the issue with immigration. I was talking to Ra Hel Manu who's great on all of these things and we were talking about immigration. And I did say to him, look,
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you know, we do have a situ we have a world where sometimes we have to take in refugees. And he said, but but why don't we have a system where refugees from a
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certain culture and continent or background go to other places with a similar culture and you wouldn't have so many ethnic so much ethnic tensions. So he said people from the Middle East
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right now should be going into Egypt and Morocco with those kinds of and we should be taking people from Ukraine or South Africa
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or Kenya, Zambia, Zimbabwe, South Africa because they're all English-sp speakaking, Christian, pro- west,
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you know, I remember when I lived in London, I lived here 24 years in London, you know, if I ever went to the NHS, there'd be often be, you know, there was
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a Cameroonian doctor, fabulous, beautiful English speaker. Well, he French, but beautiful English speaker from lovely nurse from Zambia, great
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people, culturally perfect.
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Yeah, it's funny because if I was an Australian or New Zealand government, I would open the doors to South Africans.
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I mean, you're going to get highly trained rugby players. Well, would would improve their sports.
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