Grief is one of the most painful and confusing things that any of us can endure when navigating it. The strange cocktail of emotions that it conjures up, ranging from loss to regret, sadness, and anger, can make us [music] act out of character or struggle to regulate ourselves as we usually would. But we all know that it's an integral part of the human experience. [music] And so, we generally cut people a lot of slack when they're going through it. Although this isn't always the case if it doesn't register as genuine. And at the moment, no one is under the microscope like Erica Kirk. Just a few months ago, the world was collectively rocked by the news that her right-wing commentator [music] husband Charlie Kirk was assassinated while speaking at a campus in Utah. >> Breaking news out of Utah Valley University. >> There's an emergency response there, flooded by law enforcement. The conservative activist Charlie Kirk has died after being shot during an event. >> And despite the fact that everything would suggest that she's suffering like never before, his wife has not been given a whole lot of grace by the public. Because in the eyes of many onlookers, there is something dark going [music] down. And the more that people dig, the more they're not liking what they see at all, leading to way more scrutiny on a widow than you would ever [music] expect. serve a just God and I rest easy in knowing that he's sovereign but he's just and so let the Lord handle that. >> Would Charlie have forgiven his killer? He's in heaven. They bring this back up. What are we supposed to do? Relive that trauma all over again? No. I at this point it's what? The conspiracy collection. Get it before Christmas. Look, stop in the name of God. >> Amen. [music] because to some of his supporters, it really seems like her taking on the mantle of her slain husband might destroy whatever legacy he had hoped to leave. It's your boy Louisa live from Lou Extras, and this is the curious case of Erica Kirk. As we know, Erica first truly emerged in the wake of his slaying that shocked the world. Alongside a video where she showed herself conversing with Charlie in his casket, Erica truly stepped into the spotlight when she addressed the world, declaring that his message would never die. >> My name is Erica Kirk. Charlie Kirk is my husband. The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination [music] have no idea what they have done. They should all know this. If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country. When I got home last night, Gigi, [music] our daughter just ran into our my arms and I talked to her and she said, "Mommy, I missed you." I said, "I miss you, too, baby." She goes, "Where's daddy?" What do you tell a three-year-old? She's three. I said, "Baby, daddy loves you so much. Don't you worry. He's on a he's on a work trip with Jesus, so he can afford your blueberry budget." What followed this was the glitzy Trumpsponsored memorial service for her husband during which she made a speech where she offered an olive branch to the killer. >> That man, that young man, I [laughter] forgive him. I forgive him because it was what Christ did and is what Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love. >> Before taking the stage, both Erica and her team probably envisioned this as an empowering moment which showed her as an empathic woman who could rise above the terrible pain she'd endured. But ultimately, this isn't how audiences perceived it. Instead, the vast majority of people basically felt it was performative. After the public basically seemed eager to reject her, you would think that Erica may have retreated to the sidelines and focused [music] on her family. Instead, she wound up taking the reigns of Turning Point USA and doing her utmost to promote Charlie's postumously released book. This led to a lot of interviews, but it was clear that this wasn't something that came natural to her [music] and with every quote or public appearance, the comments eviscerated her. I feel like they were almost [music] directed to me. And he's basically saying, "Stop. The world does not revolve around you. You need a moment to breathe. You need a moment to recalibrate. If you are so filled with busyiness and the noise, the Lord cannot use you. So, [music] please rest. Be with the Lord. Be with your family. And just know that there is so much more out there [music] than the the little busyiness that you find to be drowning in it sometimes. By now, we know that the internet can be mean-spirited just for the sake [music] of it. Just look at some of the memes that have emerged about her husband. But for Turning Point supporters, Erica's decision to become the face of the movement presented deeper problems. For starters, there were concerns that she wasn't quite the grieving widow people believed her to be. >> Nights, but [music] it's interesting. What I miss the most. What really just hits me hard is when I'm in the grocery store and I see his hot sauce. I want to buy it. [music] or it's the little things, you know, his clothes everywhere. Um, excuse me, but [laughter] it's it's the little things. And I know that people who have experience loss totally understand what I'm [music] saying. It's it's the small things that just get you. Um, it's [snorts] the visual of, you know, Tatty coming home and to the world he was Charlie Kurt, but to us he was my love of my life and [snorts] my children's dad. I'm so sorry. Before long, it got so bad that people were decoding her mannerisms to try and determine her true motives. While many of them simply longed for the time where she wasn't a public-f facing figure, this is not a grieving woman. And we had a grief counselor on here. We had a body language expert on here. Both of them said the grief counselor said this is not grief. You know, the everybody grieavves differently thing. I know that. I have seen plenty of women grieve in my lifetime. I have seen that personally in my life. People that I know watching women grieve, they do. They all grieve differently. But this is not grief. >> We owe Charlie Kirk an apology. We were like, "How dare you say women should stay at home?" But now that we've seen a lot of Erica, it's like, "Oh, okay. I still don't agree, but I do get where you were coming from." But if she thought things were going bad beforehand, it was nothing compared to what was to come when Charlie's supporters believed that she crossed the line she couldn't come back from. During an event, Erica was seen hugging Vice President J. D. Vance in a way that some people deemed to be a little too close for comfort. And when it was paired with quotes like this where she lavished praise on Vance, these were not the best optics. >> No one will ever replace my husband. No, but I do see some similarities of my husband in JD and Vice President JD Vance. I do. And that's why I am so blessed to be able to introduce him tonight because he understands the fight that we're up against and he can articulate that in a way that transcends. He's an amazing man. >> Suddenly, she received major blowback from some portions of the right, while others were quick to point out that she is documented as being friends with JD's wife, Usha. In response, she claimed it was common place for her to touch people like that. >> I'm starting to cry. He says, "He's so proud of you." And I say, "God bless you." And I touched the back of his head. Anyone who I have hugged that I have touched the back of your head when I hug you, I always say, "God bless you." That's just me. If you want to take that out of context, go right ahead. Again, that to me shows that you need a hug more than anyone else. >> Um, so if anyone >> They were acting like you touched the back of his ass. [laughter] >> I I feel like I wouldn't get as much hate if I did that. >> However, a whole lot of the social media world that you would have expected to be behind her kept claiming that there was something inherently fraudulent about her behavior. Among the main sticking points was the frequent claim that she was shedding some crocodile tears in her interviews as well as attending lavish fundraisers at Mara Lago. >> Let everyone see what true evil is. It's interesting. What I miss the most, what really just hits me hard is when I'm in the grocery store and I see his hot sauce. I want to buy it. Or it's the little things, you know, his clothes everywhere. Excuse me. But it's it's the little things. And I know that people who have experienced loss totally understand what I'm saying. It's it's the small things that just get you. Um it's the visual of, you know, Taddyy coming home and to the world he was Charlie Kirk, but to us he was my love of my life and [snorts] my children's dad. I'm so sorry. Understandable. >> Excuse me. But it's those little things where again he would walk through the door, drop his bags, daddy's home, [snorts] take his phone, Friday night, Shabbat shalom, throw it in the drunk drawer, and it was just all us. And that's what I always wanted to make so special for him was coming home. I' I'd always say, "Baby, I don't care what time you get home. Home is here for you. Your food will never be cold. It might sit out for a little bit, but I'll reheat it. It's fine." And I just want to encourage spouses, don't get mad. It's so easy. >> Although you could once again make the argument that everyone grieavves differently and that perhaps she doesn't come across well in the media, individuals who've seen her at times where the cameras are off are just as unimpressed. >> I've seen Erica Kirk in real life at church since Charlie died. And I will tell you that the performance in real life is as bad as it is on TV. I'm talking reserved front row pew, bringing her whole entourage, not her children, showing up late, dabbing her eyes when she walks back from communion because it's the one time that the whole church can see her because she's in the front row. Before you jump down my throat and say, "Oh, it's security purposes." No, it's not because this church has a side section that is closer to the exit that she comes in and out of and where only probably about 5% of the church would actually be able to see her if that's where she was sitting. But no, front row seat, the whole circus. as her persona unravels and is dissected piece by piece. Erica is now facing the very real prospect of the past coming back to [music] haunt. Because once they began to actively distrust the image she put forth, people began dredging up every little thing from her past, [music] which contradicts the holier than thou image she's portraying today. So, here's what we know about Erica before she met Charlie. For one thing, she was a model who wasn't afraid to show a little skin. Along the way, she was even named Miss Arizona. Scottsdale Caitlyn Willenship. That means your new Miss Arizona USA 2012 is Erica Fron. [cheering] [applause] Afterwards, she appeared on a Bravo reality show known as Summerhouse, which is buil as following a group of young single friends from New York City, who share a rented house in the Hamptons every summer weekend, balancing city jobs with a fun, partyfilled lifestyle of romance, drama, and escapism. When she turned up on episode 11 and 12 of season 3, she did so in the capacity of her new love interest for a character known as Carl. >> I think you're a bright [music] light in a very dark place. >> Um, so let's go grab Mojito. That's not necessarily anything crazy except for her claiming repeatedly that she didn't date before meeting Charlie for around 5 years. When >> I lived out here, I was here for 5 years. I never dated here cuz I saw vicariously through my roommate how terrible it was. Somehow getting drinks was the replacement of having coffee and breakfast. I personally would rather have coffee or brunch with someone than going I just I don't drink. I find it unproductive. Not because I'm pullier than whatever. I that's not I just don't operate [music] that way. But I always thought it was very strange how she would go to drinks with one guy and then go to dinner with another. My situation was a little different. I went to You went to a job interview literally. So this is how good the Lord is. He knew that because I was not dating in New York City. He knew that in order for me to know that that was my man, he had to blanket Charlie as a job interview. >> But it takes very minimal digging to realize that is a complete fabrication. However, what many people did not know is that not only did she date, but appeared to be in a relationship with a colleague of Charlie's. The man in question is Kat Phillips, now senior editor at the Daily Wire and previous editorin chief at Campus Reform, who also worked on digital grassroots for Marco Rubio's 2016 [music] campaign. But his most notable role came as Charlie's producer. In a bizarre twist, deleted posts appear to suggest that Phillips was actually with Erica prior to Kirk and that there was a lot of effort made to cover it up. In addition to saying that she didn't date, Erica has also stated that she didn't drink. So, how exactly do you explain this quote from an article written by her where she talks about happy hour with my favorite human JT Massie? Conveniently, my incredible boyfriend or these posts [music] which her activity promoting alcohol or hosting a club night. Yeah, not a good look. Once all this was out in the public domain, there were some who felt that there was just no way back for Charlie's widow. All credibility is gone. Hypocrisy at its finest. It's easy to assess Erica's personality from here. She should be held accountable for telling falsehoods to paint a perfect pretty picture. But while all this contradicts certain aspects of her current public appearance, delving deeper and following the money has led some people to think that what's truly going on with her is even crazier than just her seeming a little deceptive. And Tyler Boyer isn't the only one that's close to orphanages in Eastern Europe around TPUSA. Erica Kirk herself is another one. She's been tied to orphanages in Eastern Europe, specifically in Romania through a program called Romanian Angels since she [music] was a teenager. When she was 17 years old, she founded Romanian Angels as a nonprofit. So, in effect, since Erica's childhood, she's been running orphanages in Eastern Europe, a trafficking hotbed. Is that normal activity for a 17-year-old girl to be involved with? Of course, it's not. But when your father is a highranking member of the military-industrial complex linked to Israel's Iron Dome and American arm sales to the pariah state and when your mother is geo fencing and data mining and she's a propagandist who's tied directly to the Israeli foreign affairs ministry. Maybe hanging around orphanages really isn't all that unusual because St. Peters can get a little carried away. Let's try and determine exactly what is a fact here. Yes, Erica ran an evangelical ministry in Romania that contracted with the US military and fostered children for adoption. This organization was based in the same area in Romania where trafficking is rampant, but there is nothing to suggest they were involved. As for her parents, they are divorced with Erica's mom spending nearly two decades working for General Electric before founding multiple companies in the network security industry. Meanwhile, her father, Kent France, worked as a program manager for Rathon, a defense contractor with US government ties, including Israel. For many people, this is an intriguing development, especially when it comes to comments Erica made in a new CBS town hall alongside Barry Wise. Charlie always would say very clearly, "Jew hate was brain rot." He would always say it. "We've been to Israel twice together." And to be able to walk in the place where our Lord walked and see the Bible come to life in Technicolor. How could you hate that place? >> Now, no one is suggesting Kirk was an anti-semite. Erica paints a picture of Charlie as a man who was unquestionably in favor of Israel. And to put it bluntly, this is not necessarily true. For one thing, he regularly critiqued the Israeli government's behavior in Palestine as well as their intersections with US politics at large. >> I got to be careful the way I say this. Two, they're going to try to ethnically cleanse Gaza. You know, I mean that that's and I don't use that term lightly. Okay. >> Before Charlie Kirk was killed, he said Charlie Kirk fears that Israel will kill him if he continues ahead providing space for Israel critics. Charlie kind of starting to question the amount of influence that Israel has in US, not only domestic politics, but foreign politics as well. I just don't think we should go to war with Iran. Is a nuclear weapon Iran a threat to America? Probably could be a threat to Israel, but is it a threat to America? I mean, India has nuclear weapons. Pakistan has nuclear weapons. >> Beyond that, he went to the lengths of arguing that Jeffrey Epstein was an Israeli intelligence agent. that Epstein with his little friend Galain and Galain's father Robert Maxwell who was obviously a spy of the Israeli intelligence agencies that there was something else going on here. Epstein was not some sort of whiz kid hedge fund manager. Epstein was playing a part. Epstein was a larer. Epstein was cast for a specific role and he played it really well. It's nothing new that if you're in the intel agencies, you want to try and get as much blackmail on powerful [music] people as possible. Easy, not hard. And this is no longer just speculation. First of all, the evidence that shows that Epstein was a creation of either MSAD, Israeli intelligence. >> In this lengthy interview on CBS, Erica really tried to wrangle the narrative back in her favor. But to all the viewers, it just seemed like a facade. while others feel that the pro-Zionist direction that she's moving Turning Point USA in is transparent. [music] I feel sorry for Erica, but she's making a fool of herself. Now that there's no sign of her time in the spotlight letting up, it's clear that Erica has more storms to weather. Considering how much controversy there is around the subject of Israel, pushing this narrative is just one of the reasons why many people have had some difficulty accepting the official narrative surrounding her husband's death. And for much of that time, one of the people who has been most forcefully pushing for answers is a former friend of the family. But in recent days, there has been speculation that she's been compromised, too. In recent months, Candace Owens has pressed for answers to the point that she and Erica wound up at one another's throats. Practically from the moment that had happened, Candace was claiming Kirk knew what fate awaited him. Whether it was due to a dinner with Israeli donors or messages about an unknown they who were coming after them. I want to say one more thing rather explosively. Three people told me off record, two people who have this in a written communication from Charlie, one who is a Turning Point USA donor and I would say very much one of the white knights in this. The very day before Charlie Kirk died, he expressed that he thought he was going to be killed. He told these people, "I think they're going to me." Okay, he did not express that to me. So, I am telling you this based off the testimony of three people. And I am saying this because I hope that these people who I think are good will be inspired to come forward with that. Again, those conversations I had were off record. I honor that. If I say it's off record, it stays off record. But I'm hoping that watching what I am doing and feeling the energy that is rising across the world for people who want to know what the heck happened on 910 that you know they will be brave and they will say, "Yeah, Charlie did the day before he died think that he was going to be and maybe tell us who is they for once and for all. Who is they? who is the they that he thought was were going to kill him. >> And despite some of her critics insisting that she was wreaking havoc on a widow with her dismissal of the official narrative, Candace kept refusing to back down in her quest for the truth. >> Butterfly writes, and I should actually first, let's read the uh top comment from last episode. This person wrote, Issa Rayo wrote, "Erica Kirk will forgive someone one week later for her husband, but she won't forgive someone for not believing the FBI narrative." But I saw a lot of people commenting that online that the energy uh definitely [music] feels different for people that want to get to the truth uh than it does for the person who she believes their husband. And I don't believe that that is a person who pulled the trucker. I just I just don't. And you're allowed to disagree with Erica. You are. And that's fine. She's allowed to think what she thinks and [music] you're allowed to think what you think. That's what I want you guys to know. As things progressed, Candace became more pointed in her investigation of Erica, specifically implying that she had some intelligence ties and uncovering some truly strange things in [music] the process. That the person the planes were actually tracking for years was Erica, not Charlie, but Erica was the one being tracked by these planes. And indeed, it turns out that she was correct. She discovered that between 2022 and September 2025, both of those aircrafts, SUBTT, the yellow plane, and SUBND, the blue plane, showed 68 overlaps with Erica's documented loc locations. [music] Okay? 68 overlaps. I have since been able to add now 73 times that this overlapped. Okay? And 29 of those instances also happened to include Charlie. Charlie was also present. [music] And that's what I was stumbling upon when I was looking into this. I was like, why is this plane where Charlie is? >> For context, these planes were said to be the Egyptian military, prompting a conspiracy theory that people such as Tucker Carlson later endorsed surrounding the public's need to know who in Kirk's family they were following and why. Candace said that Egyptian registered aircraft were following Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, around for a number of years in different places in the world. And I just want to say that that is factually true. You know, the FBI has a moral and legal obligation to to look in every direction and to be open-minded, as you would in any investigation. Once more and more people latched on to this information, Erica had no choice but to respond to Candace. And when pressed on the matter, she basically demanded that Owens and other people cease digging. the podcaster Candace Owens. Okay. At one time a friend of Charlie's, at one time an employee of Turning Point, she has been one of the main peddlers of these conspiracies and she is making a huge amount of money on it. She is building her business [music] off of these lies. What do you want to say to her and the other people that are putting these lies out into the world right now? Stop. That's it. That's all I have to say. Stop. But unfortunately for her, all that stance got her was trolled into oblivion. Lfao, she's so scary. And once she knew that she had her rattled, it seemed like Candace wouldn't stop for anything. [music] Like me to stop lying. And I would like to honor that. Okay. I can only honor that if Erica is more explicit in terms of what I have lied about. What did [music] I lie about? It's it's just incredible. There's there have this opportunity. the questions have been before. You could just start like going through them. Maybe they will. By the way, it's coming out on Saturday. Maybe I've made a mistake somewhere and I'm I'm hap I want to correct that, right? I'm not interested. My goal is not to tell lies. It is obviously plausible that I have made mistakes. I've reviewed these lists that we've put together and I can't find the lie. Okay? [music] I the lies that I find are coming out of Turning Point USA. >> In the end, they clearly felt that this war wasn't sustainable and decided to meet up. Upon exiting the meeting, Candace claimed that it all went well. >> 4 and a half hours later, I'm alive. I'm alive. I'm totally fine. And I am sorry. I was going to do a show for you guys this evening, but I am truly exhausted. Very productive conversation. I asked every single question. I mean, from Egyptian Plains to Turning Point USA faith, and I was very surprised by some of the answers that I got, and I think they were also very surprised when I shared certain intel. This probably should have happened a very long time ago, but I wanted to let you guys know I am alive. And I will have the full rundown for you guys tomorrow of what what transpired. And yeah, I I think it was definitely a very big step in the right direction. So, >> and apparently this meeting with Erica meant that Owens has since gotten verification on some of her claims that people initially thought were so unrealistic. And it was Erica saying that she had Charlie's phone and that Charlie never texted anybody the night before saying that he thought that they were going to kill him. And that obviously reflected poorly on me because I was the one who said that he did in fact [music] text multiple people. They owned that right away and explained. Erica said that she has Charlie's phone. She's looking at his iMes. And it turns out that he, like everybody else, communicates on Signal. He communicates on Telegram. and that those commun when she heard me say that they then went and looked and yes that what I said was true. Uh Andrew Kovat received a message the night before and Dan Flood received a message the night before. Now they asked me [music] if I had actually like a concrete a copy of what Dan Flood got the night before and I said no. Somebody told me what it said which [music] was almost exactly what Andrew said which is they're going to kill me. Andrew did not know who they were who they that [music] the they was referring to uh were. And while there was common ground, Owens insisted she still wasn't ready to take every aspect of the official narrative at face value. >> And I said that I was I want to hear why people feel so confident at Turning Point USA that Tyler Robinson is the guy. And at this point, they elected to call the lawyer like you know their their lawyer who is involved in this case, one of the lawyers that was involved in this case. There's always a team of lawyers, especially for [music] something like this. And what I got from the lawyer did not make me feel that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. does not make me feel confident that Charlie that he didn't or did shoot uh Charlie Kirk. I was very surprised by this. He spoke a very long time. I asked, you know, can you share with me what it is? And I said, when you share this with me, I will not say what that thing is if that's what we if we want to protect the integrity of the case. I'm not going to if you say we've got the footage of him taking a shot. I'm I promise I won't say that to the audience, but I will communicate to them. >> Sadly, for her supporters, any concession was too much, and they are not happy that she's fallen in line or was covering for the widow. Candace took [music] the money. Despite all the backlash that she's receiving, Candace argues that she hasn't by any means backed down. >> You guys are absolutely crazy. The amount of people who attacked me for sending out a tweet being like, "Hey, I'm good. I'm a lie. We had a very productive conversation." And they were like, "She got the call. She got the call. She's betrayed us. She's doing something else. I can't believe it. This has all just been a show. Calm down." Okay. [music] What do you think happened? Erica said, "Stop." And then I was frozen for 4 and a half four [snorts] hours and and 30 minutes just like as I just put all of these talking points into my head. That is not what happened. I keep telling you guys I am not governable. I [music] am basically akin to Kanye West. I never felt more seen than when he tweeted a lot of years ago just fired my manager because I realized I can't be managed. That is me. That tweet right there. I was like oh gosh yes Kanye that I get this. But while some people are viewing her as a traitor who has abandoned her righteous mission to get to the bottom of it due to either pressure or perhaps a financial incentive, others are not buying the rift between Owens and Erica as anything other than a publicity stunt for them both. Some of you might get upset about what I'm about to say, but this is a scripted show meant to distract you, keep you entertained, and steal your energy. While everyone is glued to the latest drama, more surveillance is quietly passed and your tax dollars are sent overseas again. While people are told to look over here, the people in power are over here stripping away your rights and stealing away your children's future. And don't forget to buy the latest book with the perfectly bolded words, "Stop God." Hm. The sooner people realize these club members speak in symbols and coded narratives, the sooner it clicks. So, I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but they're not actually fighting each other. They are on the same team. What you're watching is not reality. It is a show. But what do I know? I'm just a conspiracy theorist. Let me know what you think. At the moment, Erica is struggling to keep the Turning Point USA brand that her late husband brought to prominence [music] not only alive, but credible. One reason for that is that she's simply not qualified. But the other would be that many people just see her as inherently unlikable and untrustworthy. It's not even in a way that they love to hate her either. Because the numbers suggest they simply want her to go away. In a testament to how little people care, they weren't even tuning in to hear what she had to say at her CBS town hall during her episode. viewing ship among the key [music] 25 to 54 advertising demographic dropped by 41%. Compared to the network's usual programming in that time slot. Clearly, she's still attempting to find her feet as a talking head while also being grossly unqualified to be the CEO of Turning Point. Recently, she attempted to expand her reach, trying to deliver talking points about things like the recent New York mayoral elections through the context [music] of women. What I don't want to have happen is women, young women in the city, look to the government as a solution to put off having a family or a marriage because you're relying on the government to support you instead [music] of being united with the husband where you can support yourself and your husband can support and you can guys [music] all combine together. But I just find it so ironic and so interesting that a heavy percentage of the individuals that voted for him were female. But as soon as she started to step into this world, the people outside of her immediate bubble were already sick of it. >> You are an opportunistic grifter who weaponizes your gender to demean women and you are a walking, talking, breathing example as to why nobody number one wants to be a Christian and number two wants to be a female hypocrite such as yourself. [music] Your language, your organization makes women less safe all across the board. Your deceased husband was [music] an unrepentant racist and a homophobe. And women are a lot more empathetic than you are, Erica. A lot of women who have been mothers or have uh had attachments in their lives that felt very nurturing are able to transfer like I'm able as a mother when I had a child to transfer the empathy that I felt for my child to transfer that to all people. And I think about a woman. >> Above all, those who haven't warmed up to Erica Kirk just can't shake the sense that she's insincere or profit-minded. Erica Kirk was selling Charlie Kirk merch less than 24 hours after he was shot. She is disturbing to watch. If she thinks she is subtle, she is wrong. Ultimately, she does have people defending her. You just have to dig into corners of Reddit like subreddits built for unpopular opinions. And even then, the way people have been treating her has been genuinely disturbing. As one Reddit user put it, watching how people are treating her has been genuinely disturbing. The woman's husband was shot in the back of the neck three months ago. She has two small children and she's being accused of being complicit in his not truly caring about him, being a bad mother because she looks over his organization, trying to sleep with the married vice president. They also point out what keeps happening is people completely blending two different conversations into one. And according to them, criticizing Turning Point itself is a fair game. But where they say it crosses the line is when that criticism turns into judging her character or how she's grieving. Wherever you stand on Erica, it's going to take something remarkable to turn this tide because at the moment, she is severely struggling to get [music] people to even hear her out. Never mind cosign a word she says. And for someone looking to replicate their husband's business model that involved exactly that, it's a real tight spot for her to try and make a living in. As always, it's your boy Luista live from L Extras, and I want to thank you'all for watching today's video. As always, I'll see you on the next one. Peace.
